Wartimes - a daughter's tale LE (Alternate start scenario)

[onomy7]

Hey 7.4 already! damn you're efficient, props to you!

 

Question:

 

What kind of spanking packs are you guys using? tried DF spank anim pack, but it did not work for me. (yea i ran anim loader, bucket task works fine)

Oh forgot to mention, yes i configured mods that removed the animation filters. to my knowledge there were two, ZAZ and DD.

 

Favour Suggestion:

Something nice for favour could be something related to alchemy.

Either direct alchemy training or a crafting station would be nice. would give PC motivation to stop apologizing every time when making food.

(i know its configurable, but would be more immersive maybe idk)

 

General suggestion:

Some new tasks with better rewards or modification to them? after a while it becomes less and less worth it to do them.

(assuming PC tries to avoid being breeder for as long as possible).

Edited August 24, 2021 by onomy7

[Desvati]

5 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Oh btw. Next update (spoilers)

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Father: "Climb on top baby and bounce that plump ass up and down on Daddy's cock until you fill yourself with my cum."

PC: "You want me on top?"

Father: "Yes darling. You've been far too placid up to now. It's time you took a more active role."

 

 

Mayhap...
 

Father: "Climb on top, baby, and bounce that plump ass up and down on Daddy's cock until you fill yourself with my cum."

PC: "You... want me on top?"

Father: "Yes, darling. Its not much of an apology if you make *me* work for it. Straddling Daddy's cock will prove to me you've learned your lesson!"
 

1 hour ago, Monoman1 said:

Yep. I like it. Buuut. Some PAH slaves go outside to do their thing. Not sure how the AI works in this regard.

I think the AI can bypass locked doors in some cases, BUT, the slaves are also not Father's daughter, and so they're subject to different rules. If the locked home restriction is added, Father could frame it as being a *good* thing for the player. Trying to protect her from the dangers outside and whatever other lies he might feel like spilling. As his daughter, he wants to keep her safe and close-by. The other slaves aren't as important, and they have jobs to do, so they can still go outside where it might be dangerous. Depending on where it kicks in on the submission ladder, maybe he'd even be more obvious about the reasoning of direct control over the player's freedom in/outside of the home.

[Monoman1]

8 minutes ago, Desvati said:

Mayhap

That'll do nicely. 

 

 

Oh I just thought of another problem with locking the door. Firewood...

[Desvati]

6 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

That'll do nicely. 

 

 

Oh I just thought of another problem with locking the door. Firewood...

Glad to help!

Feels like a decent incentive for it, if I'm being honest. It puts time pressure on the player to make sure its stocked up, in case father doesn't give you freedom that day, and if we leave the slaves with free access outdoors, it means one less slave that can take care of Father as you'll almost assuredly want them getting firewood, leaving their previous tasks in the player's hands again. More risk and time management and another way to put pressure on the player for consequences.

[oceanrelics]

6 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Oh btw. Next update (spoilers)

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cowgirl is a new sex progression stage between anal and rough. Because it involves active participation in your abuse.

 

Looking for good dialogue for apology sex. It's currently lacking something... 

 

Father: "Climb on top baby and bounce that plump ass up and down on Daddy's cock until you fill yourself with my cum."

This lines ok I think.

 

It's the next two:

PC: "You want me on top?"

Father: "Yes darling. You've been far too placid up to now. It's time you took a more active role."

 

The animation is randomly anal or vaginal cowgirl. So it needs to fit that context.

 

do you some recommended SLAL packs somewhere to take full advantage of stuff like that, and the massage stuff too for example?

[kapibar]

31 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

That'll do nicely. 

 

 

Oh I just thought of another problem with locking the door. Firewood...

Hm. I don't think this would be a problem. I was thinking that permission to go outside would work until Task End (23:00 by default). If the servant can't do her job in the set time, she's obviously improperly trained and should be punished ;).

Also, if the daughter would find herself outside when the doors are locked, she should be punished severly. For her own good, of course.

One more thing I was thinking about. Aldo is pretty useless beside fucking when you think about it. Maybe he would be a good candidate for an involuntary follower. He could follow the PC when she's out. To keep her safe, of course. But he's just a dog, so you can't really blame him if his doggy brain malfunctions and mistakes daughter with a bitch. After some time it would be an honest mistake, really.

Edited August 24, 2021 by kapibar

[safado]

 

@Monoman1

 

Some ideas.

 

1. Train alchemy skills (cooking) 
   Spoiler

   Is a skill used in the Meal task (I think)  May be implemented as basic father dialogue training or as permission to learn from a wench (proxy npc) located in Honningbrew Meadery.  The favors are spend for the training or the permission to get training. Permission using a father note in inventory. The Wench’s basic training raises alchemy.

   • Expansion:  After a couple of trainings or alchemy level will teach how to use flowers to add flavor to meals. The skill raised by the Wench may have a bonus because is a Woman to Woman help in a misogyny world. (Counteract SL Survival misogyny, I think)
     • The add flavor feature need new ‘Contructible Object’ entries
       1. pchsRecipeFoodStewVenison2 : Extra Flavor Venison Stew
       2. pchsRecipeFoodSoupTomato2 : Extra Flavor Tomato Soup
       3. pchsRecipeFoodSoupMeat2 : Extra Flavor Meat Soup
     • That force the PC to gather flowers around. Create chance that external events from other mods may trigger.
     • The ‘flavored’ meals reduce chance of ‘bad meal’ event or the penalty. (bad meal chance may need to be raised for balance?)
   • The Wench NPC could be vector for other tasks done for the meadery or maybe devious prostitution stuff.
   • The Wench backstory could be that she is Father’s secret lover.  Maybe the wench is a nord, white, blonde, and blue/green eyes that was “Blacked” by father(redguard).  Vector for intrigue events for jealousy, lesbian.
2. Train in Speech skill    
   Spoiler

    

   • Used to reduce prices by internal mechanics. (Counteract SL Survival misogyny, I think)
   • May be teach by Wench(money) or Father(favors).
   •  Basic implementation just happens with simple dialogue. Could have a random probability based on current magic ratio of (current value/current max value).  Failure or success to comprehend teaching told by dialogue.
   • Advance unnecessary implementation. For the LOLS. Integrate dialogue to a list of things for the PC to say during speech training that feeds from a json list.  I do not know if this is possible. It will be very likely that can’t be voiced by the voice add mods.
3. Train One-Hand combat. (From Karate Kid training, wax-on/wax-off)   
   Spoiler

    

   • Exchange favors to convince Father to train One-hand combat but instead of using a weapon the PC do hand-jobs. Successfull orgasm provides the skill.  End of sexlab scene without orgasm will fail to skill up and spend the favors anyway. Random occurrence of father getting angry by the failure.  
   • Possible only because of Father teaching replacing a sword handle with his dick and proper devious dialogue directions.
   • Maybe only basic or intermediate skill range done by father.
   • Possible vector to add advance teaching One-Hand weapon handling(dicks) by a different NPC.

    

4. Train in Two-Hand combat  
   Spoiler

   • Father could use Brutus to teach this skill after PC reaching certain level of One-Hand skill and Brutus is available.
   •  Supervised Brutus Hand-jobs may provide skill after successful orgasm.  Random occurrence of father getting angry by the failure.  
   • Maybe, passive training during hand-job events with Brutus. Simpler if it is only with Brutus.  Do not know if other mods add passive Skyrim skills experience training during Sexlab events. Feature could be it own mod or integrated into SL Survival. 

Events ideas.  Do not know if something similar is already implemented, have not investigate new versions yet.

 

1. Possibility of Aldo raping PC doggystyle if in compromised position and Aldo is near and horny. Use of an aggressive Doggystyle animation will be in line with the event context. Better if also tracks Aldo’s balls full of cum from SL Survival. Do not know if it is possible to add a huge amount of SLSO enjoyment to Aldo to raise/ensure orgasm. A random occurrence can be that Aldo ruins the PC clothes (Slot32) before rape. Ruining PC slot32 will drop armor or destroy cloth.  Just because, ?,if integrated with SL Survival the armor could break into bikini using the implemented feature. If the armor is bikini already (keyword or json list?) it gets destroyed by chance (top and bottom).  
   • The compromised position could be cleaning the dirt but in all four with a rag in hand.  Sadly, could not find a better anim. The all-four is triggered because the dirt needs extra cleaning.  This will need adding extra code to the cleaning task. Witnessing the event by Father or the party invites could yield Favor and party points.   
   • Noticed posible cum stain object in the mesh folder, If there's a cum cleaning that need to be on all-four it may be vector for this event.  Do not know what the mesh is really used for yet. 
2. Alternate possibility of Aldo sniffing PC ass because of high PC arousal. No rape but PC could have alternative option to let it happen or stop it.  Depending on options will raise depravity. Stopping it could have repercussions if father is near, not sleeping, and Aldo tasks are enabled.   No animation for this.
3. Cleaning the stable hay with a horny horse near could trigger by chance a (furniture, horse, hay or haybale) sexlab animation.   Fallback to just a doggystyle horse animation.  The occurrence of this makes the cleaning take longer than usual.  I do not know if cleaning the stable is already implemented.

 

 

 

Edited August 24, 2021 by safado

[jc321]

I must say the cleaning cum stains is a great addition to the mod, works fantastic, - As a suggestion if you wanted to make it more depraved maybe you could add other stains (food spoils, vomit, alcohol stains from one of the parties, mud etc.). Maybe a mechanic if it isn't cleaned up soon then it spoils? (is that possible?) - Makes the clean up task more depraved. - Maybe daughter might vomit at the idea, and then have two messes to clean up.

 

is there a limit to how many can be created? - Maybe a cellar punishment you need to clean up the celler with a large number and not let out till complete. 

 

As an aside, I fell through the floor at the corner of the fireplace and the cooking station. And there were 5 locked boxes beneath. Is that a yet to be discovered feature?

 

 

Edited August 24, 2021 by jc321

[safado]

1 hour ago, kapibar said:

One more thing I was thinking about. Aldo is pretty useless beside fucking when you think about it. Maybe he would be a good candidate for an involuntary follower. He could follow the PC when she's out. To keep her safe, of course. But he's just a dog, so you can't really blame him if his doggy brain malfunctions and mistakes daughter with a bitch. After some time it would be an honest mistake, really.

 

SL Survival has Wildling fondle to charm creatures to follow but is likely that @Monoman1 excluded Aldo for compatibility.   

 

I use it with the extra not named horses, so they follow to a clear area and permits to be mounted without the stealing alarm triggering an NPC hold's cime faction.   

It also useful as a "cheat" to charm (any creature) trolls to be followers.  They will follow to interiors and you need to use the wait feature or they get into the home and cause a faction fight.  

 

Has not tried with dragons, could be glitchy or excluded. 

 

 

[Monoman1]

22 minutes ago, safado said:

SL Survival has Wildling fondle to charm creatures to follow but is likely that @Monoman1 excluded Aldo for compatibility.   

Unique/named creatures are excluded to avoid issues. Pretty sure dragons are not enabled. 

1 hour ago, jc321 said:

is there a limit to how many can be created?

10. I can bump it up pretty easily if the system behaves ok. But then I'd probably need to add options for how many are allowable. Variable space is becoming a bit of an issue. 

Also they expire after 48 (I think) hours. Just in case one gets stuck in the ground or something. Might bump it up to 96 hours

1 hour ago, jc321 said:

As an aside, I fell through the floor at the corner of the fireplace and the cooking station.

:Shurgs: Skyrim.

1 hour ago, jc321 said:

And there were 5 locked boxes beneath. Is that a yet to be discovered feature?

Nah they're used for various functions. Holding your clothes while you go on a supply run for example. 

1 hour ago, jc321 said:

maybe you could add other stains (food spoils, vomit, alcohol stains from one of the parties, mud etc.)

Ah I don't think I'll go that far.

 

3 hours ago, HasturTheGreat said:

That being said, your father will steal shit from your drawers and nightstand, so be careful

Your end table beside your bed should be safe. Only safe container in the house afaik. 

 

[Monoman1]

1 hour ago, safado said:

Some ideas.

Alchemy one's interesting. Passes time, spends favour in a sort of useful way.

 

The others though... I'm the kind of guy that doesn't want every task to revolve around playing sex scenes. I like a healthy mix of actually playing the game and exploring, sex and kink etc. If it's all scene after scene after scene I get bored fairly quickly. 

[Monoman1]

2 hours ago, kapibar said:

Hm. I don't think this would be a problem. I was thinking that permission to go outside would work until Task End (23:00 by default). If the servant can't do her job in the set time, she's obviously improperly trained and should be punished ;).

Yea I suppose it would require the player to do a little planning. 

 

[Monoman1]

2 hours ago, pornlover123456 said:

do you some recommended SLAL packs somewhere to take full advantage of stuff like that, and the massage stuff too for example?

 

3 hours ago, onomy7 said:

Question:

 

What kind of spanking packs are you guys using? tried DF spank anim pack, but it did not work for me. (yea i ran anim loader, bucket task works fine)

Oh forgot to mention, yes i configured mods that removed the animation filters. to my knowledge there were two, ZAZ and DD.

Afraid I don't really have much in the line of specific recommendations. I'm not that 'up' on animation packs. I use the DFC mini SLAL pack. Seems to work ok to me. 

 

It's tough to nail the tone of the animation (massage or spank) in line with the context of the situation - IE a fully clothed spanking/massage animation where father starts fisting doesn't make a lot of sense. But the more suppressing tags I add the less animations become available. 

 

It'd be good if we could build up with a list of animations that fit well (no sex during spanking/massage) and have the mod only try to play animations from the list. 

[Monoman1]

4 hours ago, coffeeink said:

Some Ideas:

Yea a lot of good ideas there for fleshing out the mod in all directions. 

 

I would kind of agree about the items from YPS BUT counter-arguments! :

1. It gets you out of the house. Maybe you get robbed on the way? Maybe someone molests you? Maybe you get waylaid and end up losing favour... All more interesting than sitting in the house and clicking on dialogue.

2. It requires planning and consideration to make sure your appearance will be ok. 

3. A wise player will stockpile makeup and makeup remover so that they're never short. Never know when you'll have to touch up your makeup when the shop is shut = more gold spent.

 

A lot of your other ideas for tasks etc are good but would take a lot of time. Don't think I have that kind of time. 

Edited August 24, 2021 by Monoman1

[GeorgiaCav]

10 hours ago, coffeeink said:

Some Ideas:

Everything with the idea to trick the Daughter deeper and deeper

 

• Guard Task
  • The Captain is pretty selfish i guess. the guards next to him are only allowed to watch? Maybe a 4th Option to entertain all the guards? (1/2 sessions of groupsex)
• New Housetasks:
  • Bath your father/mother?
    • Maybe first with Water/Soap with higher submission with more "dirty" way
• New Jobs
  • Maybe just an around integration of Radiant Prostitution because it already does the job

 

1. I really like the idea of adding the other guards to that task. It's easy enough, if you have TDF or something similar, to solicit them, but it kind of means taking a big depravity step, and I like to keep my character as pure as possible for as long as possible. It'd be more immersive to be forced into it:

 

"Ah, so you're here to work? What would you like to do?"

"This slut would offer her honeypot."

"Just for me? Not good enough. My men deserve some fun with that body, too. Line up, boys."

 

2, Excellent suggestion. I don't know how to do any of this or I would myself, but something similar to what is already there with Jazeem would be perfect.

 

3. RP integration is something I was going to ask for. Submissive Lola does this really well. Alternately, maybe Father could just send you to become the Public Whore if you've got that one installed.

 

Sorry, Monoman1, I realize you're putting a lot of work into this and it is deeply appreciated. Understandable if you're ready to move on from it, but ... This and SLS have made the game interesting again. The only thing that could make it more perfect would be if the tasks could be implemented into DFC or Submissive Lola or something similar that would allow them to be ordered by followers or other npc's as well as Father. (I'm not asking for that. That's a pipe dream, not an ask.)

 

Btw, the cum licking thing was even better than I imagined. Thanks for including it.

Edited August 25, 2021 by GeorgiaCav

[lorddenorstrus]

@Monoman1  Stupid question, but is there a chance a compiled list of the Console commands could be made?  If something pops up I remember somewhere you've mentioned a command to test it so I end out scrolling through the pages until I find it.  Done this a few times now and was wondering if a compiled list would help anyone else (Including me in a day or 2 when my brain forgets the command I used a day or 2 ago)  if/when they have an issue with something.   Which on that note, so far everything is working for me except the Cum related section which I just restarted and made sure I had the newest version you've posted and plan to figure out why I'm having an issue on my end.

[Monoman1]

7 hours ago, GeorgiaCav said:

Sorry, Monoman1, I realize you're putting a lot of work into this and it is deeply appreciated. Understandable if you're ready to move on from it, but ... This and SLS have made the game interesting again. The only thing that could make it more perfect would be if the tasks could be implemented into DFC or Submissive Lola or something similar that would allow them to be ordered by followers or other npc's as well as Father. (I'm not asking for that. That's a pipe dream, not an ask.)

You mean the tasks like skulvar, the soldiers etc? I'd imagine outside mods could already. It's probably just a case of checking/setting global variables. 

6 hours ago, lorddenorstrus said:

tupid question, but is there a chance a compiled list of the Console commands could be made?  If something pops up I remember somewhere you've mentioned a command to test it so I end out scrolling through the pages until I find it.  Done this a few times now and was wondering if a compiled list would help anyone else (Including me in a day or 2 when my brain forgets the command I used a day or 2 ago)  if/when they have an issue with something.

Well I don't really have a list. Someone asks a question and I go look at the logic and come up with something. I'd really prefer if people used console commands as little as possible as it creates the possibility for people to create their own bugs which inevitably they'll report and I'll go off and investigate and end up wasting time chasing a bug that shouldn't or can't normally happen. 

Edited August 25, 2021 by Monoman1

[Desvati]

Oh yeah, I was curious, actually. What controls the dances that were added to the xml's, or is that related to SLS dancing when that comes out?

Edited August 25, 2021 by Desvati

[Monoman1]

8 minutes ago, Desvati said:

Oh yeah, I was curious, actually. What control the dances that were added to the xml's, or is that related to SLS dancing when that comes out?

You mean dances.json?

I pulled it from SLS to help me find out what dances are in zaz. I kept it there in case of future development but it is currently unused. 

 

Dances are handled by idle marker pchsDanceIdle. Any dance anims addedto it would need a hard dependency.

[Monoman1]

Just now, tamai said:

1.) Is there a way to turn off the women moaning feature when talkingto them? (for daydreaming)

'Daydream volume modifier'. Cum menu

Just now, tamai said:

2.) If you lose fathers heels is there a way to get them back ?because i may of lost them

Ah I don't think so. Other than the console/AddItemMenu.

[Polonium]

Hi, does anyone have the requirements for the experimental Special Edition conversion? I've been trying to find them myself, but I've not had much luck.

[Monoman1]

Just now, Polonium said:

Hi, does anyone have the requirements for the experimental Special Edition conversion? I've been trying to find them myself, but I've not had much luck.

Zaz + vanilla DLC.

 

Soft dependencies are listed in the installer.

+ some good foreplay, handjob, dog handjob, horse handjob and spanking animations are recommended (if desired). 

 

Edited August 25, 2021 by Monoman1

[onomy7]

Some more things I noticed.

  - The Pile of wood is an unsafe stash and all the firewood gets stolen unless I turn stashes off. (guess its really not an issue because its easily fixed through SLS options menu)

 

  - if the enforces take fathers sword you can never get it back, is this intended or will this get expanded uppon?

                (tried to see what will happen if i just added another iron sword through additem menu, got punished but after that the sword never came back. did not try weapons licence)

 

  - PC can take all the items in chillfurrow farm without consequence. (ez money hehe)

 

probably just me:

  - YPS Fashion sometimes never fades out makeup.

 

SL survival:

   - After the first daydreaming First person camera gets really janky even when not daydreaming, Vertical movement of camera gets really weird when using bow or spells.

16 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

It'd be good if we could build up with a list of animations

are animations checked by Wartimes/SKSE/Plugins/StorageUtilData/SexTags.json ? i want to check if the filter works for me so I want to add/remove tags to see what will happen.

[Monoman1]

1 hour ago, onomy7 said:

- The Pile of wood is an unsafe stash and all the firewood gets stolen unless I turn stashes off.

Fixed. Also added the end table. Could have sworn I did already but meh...

1 hour ago, onomy7 said:

- if the enforces take fathers sword you can never get it back,

Ok I've made some adjustments to this. 

1 hour ago, onomy7 said:

PC can take all the items in chillfurrow farm without consequence. (ez money hehe)

MMM yea. It's how you're allowed into the place. Don't know if much can be done about it. 

1 hour ago, onomy7 said:

- YPS Fashion sometimes never fades out makeup.

Yup. It's a bug. Still don't know where it comes from. I posted the code segment here some time back to see if anyone spotted something but...

1 hour ago, onomy7 said:

After the first daydreaming First person camera gets really janky even when not daydreaming,

Ah yea. Known bug. Don't know where it comes from. It happens only very rarely for me so it's hard to reproduce. 

Misc->Debug->Look At Debug->IsNpc to 0

1 hour ago, onomy7 said:

are animations checked by

Yes. most of them. 

SLS's debug menu can pull a list of animations that qualify for tags you enter in game which might be useful. 

Only human animations though (I think. Or I might have added creatures. Can't remember)

Edited August 25, 2021 by Monoman1

[WinterInterloper]

1 hour ago, Monoman1 said:

 

MMM yea. It's how you're allowed into the place. Don't know if much can be done about it.  (When talking about taking the items in chillfurrow farm)

 

 

I think that's something related to skyrim's hard-baked relationship system. If you go friends or above, they start letting you take stuff from their house. Not sure how much can be done with that besides just trying to roleplay that you can't take them. 

 

Two other things: one, if you're looking for spanking animations, check out cobalt's animation pack. It has a couple of animations, but if you're using SE, you'll need to run them through cathedral and maybe the CK. 

 

Also... more of a question, but... is there any plans to expand the uncle's involvement? Because if not, it might be a good idea to move the uncle to helgen, so when the pc arrives there, the place is destroyed, the uncle can be presumed dead, and then it can tie into the main quest a bit better.