Wartimes - a daughter's tale LE (Alternate start scenario)

[safado]

 

@Monoman1

FYI

The current "yps-ImmersiveFashion Tweak BETA v2.1 (22-Aug-2020)" 7z archive has the file "Undewear.json"(LE format) in "SKSE\Plugins\StorageUtilData\ypsFashion" and the Vortex version of FOMOD can't override it with the ones from options folder.  It results in "Undewear.json" always be LE format no matter the option selected in FOMOD installer menu.  

By removing the file ""SKSE\Plugins\StorageUtilData\ypsFashion\Undewear.json" in the source 7z archive before installing it, fixed the issue.  

 

Maybe is a Vortex bug or an ModuleConfig setting. 

 

 

[Poodledee]

2 hours ago, Samson Nite said:

Finally, masturbation stopped. 

 

After sex with father, he put rape rope and dildo on PC body. What does it mean? How can PC be breeder and pregnant if the rope and dildo are applied ?

Can I just test with console comand with PCBreeder and PCPregnant set to 1 ?

 

I do believe both dildo and rope will get removed when the act is performed if I remember correctly.

[Samson Nite]

42 minutes ago, Poodledee said:

 

I do believe both dildo and rope will get removed when the act is performed if I remember correctly.

Great ! Thanks!!!!

 

Dear Silvain, can we have SE 7.4 conversion, please ?

[Samson Nite]

Silvain, do you need convert "yps-ImmersiveFashion Tweak BETA v2.1 (22-Aug-2020).7z"  to SE version too ?

[Monoman1]

2 hours ago, safado said:

Maybe is a Vortex bug or an ModuleConfig setting. 

Bah. Ok I've repacked it. 

Yet another thing I need to remember when packing a mod...

3 hours ago, Samson Nite said:

What does it mean? How can PC be breeder and pregnant if the rope and dildo are applied ?

He removes it. Fucks you. And puts it back on again.

[James_E_C]

Not sure if it's this mod or another mod, but SOMETHING has screwed up Whiterun. Belethor and the Alchemist next door won't buy stuff (and the Alchemist won't start her quest), the conversation between that starts when you enter Whiterun between the smith and a Battle-born doesn't fire, and I can't buy Breezehome from Proventius.

I don't know if it's this mod or one of the others (Being a Cow would be the next guess).

[Monoman1]

4 minutes ago, James_E_C said:

the conversation between that starts when you enter Whiterun between the smith and a Battle-born doesn't fire

This used to be an issue with the original mod. It was fixed in one of the tweaked version way back unless it's resurfaced. Are you running the tweaked version...? ?

 

The other bugs don't sound familiar to me. 

 

Edit: 

Version 1.0 of the tweak in fact:

 

v1.0

- Fixed staring contests around Whiterun. Needs new game unfortunately (won't fix in ongoing games)

 

Edited August 24, 2021 by Monoman1

[Monoman1]

Anyone have any additional ideas for what could be 'bought' with father's favour? To increase 'the hook'.

 

[Silvain]

25 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Anyone have any additional ideas for what could be 'bought' with father's favour? To increase 'the hook'.

 

Just throwing out ideas:

- Crafting stations to use

- Basic potions

- A day off

- A follower (friend of father or maybe the dog) to make sure you are safe

- Lootbox, increasing chance for good stuff with higher submission (no, pls don't that is a stupid idea) 

- The option to buy a basic novice spell tome (one for every school that may make adventuring easier)

 

[Samson Nite]

- Buy some animal for daughter as besatiality progress including  dog, wolf, chaurus and so on,  they can be sheltered in the backyard as animal shelter later.

- Include extra errands as favor which links to small quest in the future.

- Buy some Toys from Toybox. Unfortunately can cause some headache to get dependency to Toys as Devious device.

- Buy a household helper as slave for doughtier, so two girls can support father, make a doughter's life easier.

- Buy a limb for mother for each favor until she is complete lady.

 

Just few cents of idea.....

[kapibar]

4 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Anyone have any additional ideas for what could be 'bought' with father's favour? To increase 'the hook'.

 

I think the best favour would be something that would come back to haunt you/bite you in the ass later. And one thing comes to mind - father could train the PC in some of skills most useless for combat - speechcraft, smithing or alchemy. This way exp-hungry players would fuck themselves up real good, as the world around them would level up, while the PC for all intents and purposes would remain weak, useless and dependant on the follower.

[jc321]

10 hours ago, Silvain said:

- Crafting stations to use

 

Use of Crafting stations would be great - To possibly avoid interference of everything else going on, a punishment routine within the cellar (so other tasks can be suspended). Forced to make a varying degree of items before being released .. Subsequently can then be sold (afterall you are supporting father). If within existing routines then crafting within the house of a smaller amount can be undertaken.

 

If direction is to utilise SLS as a requirement then maybe expand on

 

       - Being lent to Kennel Master for something (maybe cleaning duties .. could you port cleaning stuff from house into kennel as well?)

       - The stock run - Could enforcers and guards be more problematic for you when entering whiterun. 

                 - They could put further restraints on PC to make the run harder - As Father removes stuff once you're back then these could also be removed at that point .. or not.

                 - Could send you on a different erand, delay you from getting back in time.

 

- Potential for food (protein drinks) to spoil? - you forget to cook a meal for a while, the food in the barrel spoils .. would it need RND to do this and how would father respond .. or get his meal?

- Random visitors to house? 

- potential to expand on sleep time. You originally have a bed, and I think you ask for it back, but could punishments/degradation ensure lose (or have to gain) rights to using your bedroom. Maybe have to sleep outside in the barn, cellar, cage etc.. - Not sure if there is ability to use zaz furniture yet to sleep? 

- when you pick up an item in the house (once the steal option is enabled) - Could there be further consequences?

- Not being allow to sit on chairs 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 24, 2021 by jc321

[Monoman1]

Thanks for the suggestions. (keep them coming)

 

6 hours ago, kapibar said:

I think the best favour would be something that would come back to haunt you/bite you in the ass later. And one thing comes to mind - father could train the PC in some of skills most useless for combat - speechcraft, smithing or alchemy. This way exp-hungry players would fuck themselves up real good, as the world around them would level up, while the PC for all intents and purposes would remain weak, useless and dependant on the follower.

Personally my world is unleveled so this wouldn't affect me all that much. I see your point though.

 

10 hours ago, Samson Nite said:

- Buy a limb for mother for each favor until she is complete lady.

I'm not sure you can actually get mothers missing pieces back. Has anyone done it? At least I don't remember seeing any dialogue around it. Next version the cure cost for mother is configurable so it should just use the same cost IMO. 

 

3 hours ago, tamai said:

-favor to ask father for locking gag (if cum addicted)

I don't think father would grant this

3 hours ago, tamai said:

-fathers permission slip to enter whiterun castle (otherwise they turn you away and kick you out the door) 

Something like this is planned for SLS freedom licence.

3 hours ago, tamai said:

-in the beginning you cant buy things from vendors you need father's permission requiring favors. (vendors wont sell to you since its daddy's money) maybe with the exclusion of YPS vendors.

This one's interesting and probably the most debilitating. 

 

Btw some of these are already things. Spoilers:

Spoiler

10 hours ago, Silvain said:

- A day off

Already in.

10 hours ago, Samson Nite said:

- Buy a household helper as slave for doughtier, so two girls can support father, make a doughter's life easier.

Install Paradise halls

3 hours ago, tamai said:

-a horse(for a certain period of time)

Brutus

3 hours ago, tamai said:

-buy cum containers for favor

After the cum slut event asking for food provides only cum.

47 minutes ago, jc321 said:

- when you pick up an item in the house (once the steal option is enabled) - Could there be further consequences?

Take fathers sword (or dagger). And continue playing. (might take a while to kick in).

 

[Monoman1]

Oh btw. Next update (spoilers)

Spoiler

cowgirl is a new sex progression stage between anal and rough. Because it involves active participation in your abuse.

 

Looking for good dialogue for apology sex. It's currently lacking something... 

 

Father: "Climb on top baby and bounce that plump ass up and down on Daddy's cock until you fill yourself with my cum."

This lines ok I think.

 

It's the next two:

PC: "You want me on top?"

Father: "Yes darling. You've been far too placid up to now. It's time you took a more active role."

 

The animation is randomly anal or vaginal cowgirl. So it needs to fit that context.

 

Edited August 24, 2021 by Monoman1

[WinterInterloper]

Any chance there could be a hearthfire-like mechanic to expand on the house itself? Like being tasked with helping build the house a bit bigger, adding a new room, etc.?

[Monoman1]

Just now, HasturTheGreat said:

Any chance there could be a hearthfire-like mechanic to expand on the house itself? Like being tasked with helping build the house a bit bigger, adding a new room, etc.?

It's crossed my mind. I don't really know a whole lot about that kind of thing though. I'd guess it's just enabled/disabling a bunch of stuff. Would make the CK view look incredibly messy and difficult to work on. There's lots of invisible stuff in there already.

[Barry W.]

14 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Anyone have any additional ideas for what could be 'bought' with father's favour? To increase 'the hook'.

 

Would like to have possibility to change "sex for apologies" with dog/horse to sex with father/random people.

 

And generally, more sex with random people, group sex too: randomly generated people visit home to have a sex and other stuff with daughter.

Reason for that: father tells to PC, that this will help to collect money for mother cure etc. ☺️

 

 

Edited August 24, 2021 by Barry W.

[AoE_Freak]

On 8/13/2021 at 12:52 PM, kapibar said:

Also, @AoE_Freak as you reported you have the same problem, could you post your LO? I'll check if our lists have the same mods and maybe we'll find a culprit

Good idea! Here's my load order:

 

Spoiler

  0  0     Skyrim.esm
  1  1     Update.esm
  2  2     Dawnguard.esm
  3  3     HearthFires.esm
  4  4     Dragonborn.esm
  5  5     Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
  6  6     SexLab.esm
  7  7     Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
  8  8     ZaZAnimationPack.esm
  9  9     BeeingFemale.esm
 10  a     SexLabAroused.esm
 11  b     CreatureFramework.esm
 12  c     FNIS.esp
 13  d     SimplyKnock.esp
 14  e     SL Survival.esp
 15  f     pchsWartimes.esp
 16 10     MoreNastyCritters.esp
 17 11     SexLab_Dialogues.esp
 18 12     FNISspells.esp
 19 13     SkyUI.esp
 20 14     RaceMenu.esp
 21 15     RaceMenuPlugin.esp
 22 16     SOSRaceMenu.esp
 23 17     XPMSE.esp
 24 18     RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
 25 19     Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
 26 1a     SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp
 27 1b     FloppySOS.esp
 28 1c     SexLab Cumshot.esp
 29 1d     HDT Havok Object.esp
 30 1e     VOBS.esp
 31 1f     SimpleSlavery.esp
 32 20     UIExtensions.esp
 33 21     BeeingFemaleBasicAddOn.esp
 34 22     SexLab Vanilla Voices.esp
 35 23     SexLab Sound FX Replacer.esp
 36 24     sr_FillHerUp.esp
 37 25     SexLabDefeat.esp
 38 26     SexlabLightMeUp.esp
 39 27     Bathing in Skyrim - Main.esp
 40 28     SLAnimLoader.esp
           SLALAnimObj.esp
 41 29     Prison.esp
 42 2a     SLALAnimObjBillyy.esp
 43 2b     Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

 

I hope this helps find the problem! Sorry it took me a while to respond, by now the mod has been updated a few times since I last played so for all I know the problem has already been fixed.

Edited August 24, 2021 by AoE_Freak

[kapibar]

3 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

This one's interesting and probably the most debilitating. 

If you want to go for debilitating - here's an idea. How about father - instead of giving PC raw cash as an allowance - would give her jewelry for sale? This would force PC to take a stroll into the city to earn cash (if you want to go for vendors restriction - it would force player into the favour spiral), plus there's a ton of buffs/debuffs that influence prices, so it would add element of randomness to how much gold player can make.

Another idea - carriage restriction in Whiterun. You can only travel when father gives you a specific order to go to Solitude. If not - well, tough luck, you should've ran away.

I already said this would be a nice solution, but since you're looking for ideas... The house should be closed for the night and should stay closed until you ask father to let you leave. Slaves shouldn't just come and go as they please. Obviously, opening the house should cost only 1-2 favours, but it would give the player a feeling of entrapment and dependance on father's will (maybe a random chance for him to refuse and order the PC to stay in the house for the day? It would cripple ability to earn money). Added plus, it would disencourage players to try to off father while he's sleeping, unless they want to be trapped in the house forever.

(Also, it always bugged me that there's no bounty for killing father. I think it should be penalized severly).

Next idea: this isn't exactly a favour, but a correction to a functionality: father shouldn't give the player any combat-related license. So no weapons license, no armor license and no magic license. Slaves don't fight and don't go on adventures, so I believe there's no point in daughter having convenient access to this kind of licenses. Also, it would be a lot harder to off father without access to weapons from the city.

Next: cap on gold. PC wouldn't have the ability to gather gold, unless father allows it. So, during the check father should confiscate any gold beyond 500 (this is how much mother's medicine cost at max), unless daughter asks father for his grace, which of course can be bought by favours.

[Monoman1]

11 minutes ago, kapibar said:

If you want to go for debilitating

They're all fine ideas. It's just I look at some of them and think uh, that's probably going to cause problems. Such as:

 

11 minutes ago, kapibar said:

Another idea - carriage restriction in Whiterun. You can only travel when father gives you a specific order to go to Solitude. If not - well, tough luck, you should've ran away.

Given the trouble I had recently with a certain carriage overhaul mod this is bound to be a problem. 

11 minutes ago, kapibar said:

I already said this would be a nice solution, but since you're looking for ideas... The house should be closed for the night and should stay closed until you ask father to let you leave.

Yep. I like it. Buuut. Some PAH slaves go outside to do their thing. Not sure how the AI works in this regard.

11 minutes ago, kapibar said:

Also, it always bugged me that there's no bounty for killing father.

Yes. Me too.

11 minutes ago, kapibar said:

Next: cap on gold. PC wouldn't have the ability to gather gold, unless father allows it. So, during the check father should confiscate any gold beyond 500 (this is how much mother's medicine cost at max), unless daughter asks father for his grace, which of course can be bought by favours.

How do you accumulate the 2000 gold (now 10000 gold) for mother's cure then? And before you say 'well father puts any excess towards mother's cure' - I think this would only accelerate you towards that goal. If you're spending that gold on other stuff then it'll slow you down.

 

 

11 minutes ago, kapibar said:

Next idea: this isn't exactly a favour, but a correction to a functionality: father shouldn't give the player any combat-related license. So no weapons license, no armor license and no magic license.

I'll have to disagree with you here. I'm finding having access to licences THE biggest hook. Without it I think I'd kill Father and be on my way (part of the reason why I'm looking for more/better hooks). I can probably add options if it bothers you that much. Would be pretty easy to add an impossible condition to those licence dialogues yourself in TesEdit. 

 

Edited August 24, 2021 by Monoman1
Keyboard went bananas

[WinterInterloper]

13 minutes ago, kapibar said:

Next idea: this isn't exactly a favour, but a correction to a functionality: father shouldn't give the player any combat-related license. So no weapons license, no armor license and no magic license. Slaves don't fight and don't go on adventures, so I believe there's no point in daughter having convenient access to this kind of licenses. Also, it would be a lot harder to off father without access to weapons from the city.

Next: cap on gold. PC wouldn't have the ability to gather gold, unless father allows it. So, during the check father should confiscate any gold beyond 500 (this is how much mother's medicine cost at max), unless daughter asks father for his grace, which of course can be bought by favours.

 

I can kind of see how the combat-related licenses would make sense (at least up until you get to the point were you can use PAH), but I don't think the cap on gold is a good idea. Mother's cure is 2 grand, and I do believe that your father steals from you anyways when you sleep (but that could just be sl adventures doing that to me when I sleep). That being said, It would be interesting to have other npc's pickpocket you if you bump into them, which forces you to have to beg or steal, but that might be more of a SL survival idea. 

[kapibar]

5 minutes ago, HasturTheGreat said:

 

I can kind of see how the combat-related licenses would make sense (at least up until you get to the point were you can use PAH), but I don't think the cap on gold is a good idea. Mother's cure is 2 grand, and I do believe that your father steals from you anyways when you sleep (but that could just be sl adventures doing that to me when I sleep). That being said, It would be interesting to have other npc's pickpocket you if you bump into them, which forces you to have to beg or steal, but that might be more of a SL survival idea. 

Exactly, mother's cure is expensive, which should give you incentive to keep the favour high. So, father wants you to wear whore's makeup - you wear whore's makeup, otherwise mother is done and gone. Sleep stealing is SL Adventures .

@Monoman1

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They're all fine ideas. It's just I look at some of them and think uh, that's probably going to cause problems.

Yyyyyeah, I kinda figured you're gonna say something like that :P. Well, that's how it goes when no-modder throws ideas at someone who knows their craft ;).

 

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They're all fine ideas. It's just I look at some of them and think uh, that's probably going to cause problems.

Oh, that's quite simple. Low favour threshold for gold permit. 2 favours is easily doable, renewable every 2-3 days. It would also keep player focused on the time flow, since at some point routine kicks in.

 

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Without it I think I'd kill Father and be on my way

Between SLS combat debuffs (I set damage to -90%), father's high level, lack of access to powerful weapons - not an easy task. I know, I tried to kill this motherfucker few times. Best I could do was to change the party into a goddamn bloodbath with Frenzy spell.

Also, mother's life hangs on the balance, so unless player wants to throw roleplaying out of the window, it's best to refrain from killing him.
 

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Would be pretty easy to add an impossible condition to those licence dialogues yourself in TesEdit. 

Great idea, thanks!

 

Edited August 24, 2021 by kapibar

[WinterInterloper]

7 minutes ago, kapibar said:

Exactly, mother's cure is expensive, which should give you incentive to keep the favour high. So, father wants you to wear whore's makeup - you wear whore's makeup, otherwise mother is done and gone. Sleep stealing is SL Adventures .

I think I know what you're saying now. That being said, that might be better as a condition than asking favor. ex: if you're bellow, let's say, 20 favor, you have a gold cap, but above that, it increases. Also, yea, I kind of figured that SL Adventures is the culprit. That being said, your father will steal shit from your drawers and nightstand, so be careful . (If you try to pickpocket you're father, you can even find your stolen shit. nice touch)

[kapibar]

10 minutes ago, HasturTheGreat said:

That being said, your father will steal shit from your drawers and nightstand, so be careful . (If you try to pickpocket you're father, you can even find your stolen shit. nice touch)

That - in turn - is Sexlab Survival's functionality. But since both of these mods are more or less (in case of SLS more) Monoman's work - I consider these mods a package.

[coffeeink]

Some Ideas:

Everything with the idea to trick the Daughter deeper and deeper

 

Regarding "buying from Father"

• Sell YPS Fashion Items (also Father can choose what color the Daugther should wear) (This alone will increase the demand for Favor drasticly if played with YPS) Items should be more expensive than exchange for gold, you at least have a delivery from the shop to you
  • Remove Gold given for this. Wit the YPS Gold it's very easy to get Gold Ahead and no need for Tasks anymore, Gold should be the more valuable Ressource
• Sell Soap as long it's allowed to bath
• Remove the 100 Gap (If playing with PAH it's easy to lose 40 favor without possible apology because you are gathering the wine for the party or smth.)
• PAH: Train a slave, If a slave messes up, let father punish the slave for you for a favor
• For selecting an external job which is currently free. Free should only be the RNG solution
• Pay sour rent: need to bring daily 10-50 gold to be allowed to sleep inside, else have fun to sleep outside in the doghouse (there is a ZAZ Furniture) ading a sleep trigger to it after pressing a button should be easy (shhould consume gold => favors)

General Ideas:

• Task Party:
  • PAH integration, let the guest have fun with the Slaves
  • Fun together (threesome) would be easy to add here i guess
  • If ZAZ devices enabled, bind the player as attraction for ~ let's say 15-30 minutes (in real time ~ 1 minute, longer is boring i guess and the guests want entertainment)
  • During Task suspend other House Jobs
• Guard Task
  • The Captain is pretty selfish i guess. the guards next to him are only allowed to watch? Maybe a 4th Option to entertain all the guards? (1/2 sessions of groupsex)
• Timing Issues other Quests
  • I like the balancing with 3h+ if starting a task, this is kinda missing with the more "dirty" tasks. Maybe ensure a min Time adding of 1-2 h?

New Stuff

• Punishment:
  • Get sent to the Kennel for a night (should be done if submission is high and Dog + Horse task is activated)
  • If not forced to be naked all the time, be naked for X hours
  • Put a Cage outside to the street (remove the 2 outside furniture, they are not used anyway), Sleeping inside not allowed for 1 or 2 nights
• New Housetasks:
  • Bath your father/mother?
    • Maybe first with Water/Soap with higher submission with more "dirty" way
• New Jobs
  • Tavern Job (Evening Job only)
    • Earn a minimum amount of Gold to complete, Force into deeper stuff with higher amount needed
    • Help with serving the guests with Drinks only
    • later light Postitution
    • Maybe just an around integration of Radiant Prostitution because it already does the job
    • Get Forced to get atleast whoreing license
  • Smithing Job (Devious Devices Integration, Favor Eater)
    • Job at the Warmaidens as Apprentice and support creating stuff
    • Start with typical Weapon supplies
    • go to something more devious stuff (plugs, belt etc)
    • Support creating a full et of Devious Items
    • A good smith can also sell the craftings
      • Selling your craftings to the local townfolks by presenting it (get equiped) and try to sell it. (Random Selling Dialoge Outcome)
      • Sell all items in a specific time or "pay" for everything you still wear.
      • Get the deviced removed by your father for favor