Devious Devices - Laura's Bondage Shop (16-aug-2025) v3.55 LE & SE

[Laura]

Question time!

 

Who of you use LE? I'm thinking of making the move to SE and I wanna know what y'all think.

[Psalam]

1 minute ago, Laura said:

Question time!

 

Who of you use LE? I'm thinking of making the move to SE and I wanna know what y'all think.

I still use LE and do not foresee changing anytime soon.

[Taki17]

8 minutes ago, Laura said:

I'm also setting up an SE install for a possible move to SE only.

I'm want to see what you can make with DDNG, so I'm rooting for this to happen!

[Laura]

20 minutes ago, Psalam said:

I still use LE and do not foresee changing anytime soon.

That's why I'm on the fence about it. I still use LE because it's good enough. I kinda expected to be the only one. What's the reason you're still on LE?

 

 

 

 

13 minutes ago, Taki17 said:

I'm want to see what you can make with DDNG, so I'm rooting for this to happen!

Oh now I'm curious. What kind of new goodies are waiting for me with DDNG?

[Allen Harris]

28 minutes ago, Laura said:

Question time!

 

Who of you use LE? I'm thinking of making the move to SE and I wanna know what y'all think.

I use AE (SE); but I'm pretty sure it's easier to upgrade a mod from LE to SE than downgrade it back.

THAT SAID...SE is superior IN EVERY WAY!!!! 😛

[cf2022]

26 minutes ago, Laura said:

Question time!

 

Who of you use LE? I'm thinking of making the move to SE and I wanna know what y'all think.

I use SE and just completed the quest for the third time.  I love this whole story especially now that true directional pathing is sooo much better.  I added a twist ending of my own where due to other mods i enslaved sloane, not sure if she's going in the shop or my castle as a trophy.  She's just so mean, it seemed like the proper ending, shame Laura thinks i killed her.  Either way Thank you again for making this mod it has never left my modlist and i replay it often.  Also when is Katarina finally going to try that armbinder again?  Poor Shop Laura might burst with excitement.

 

[Hex Bolt]

1 hour ago, Laura said:

Who of you use LE?

I am.  LE players greatly appreciate mod authors who support all players.

  

39 minutes ago, Laura said:

What's the reason you're still on LE?

Different players will have different reasons, but if as an author you do wish to keep supporting all players, it's pretty easy to port to SE (or find a volunteer to do it), but not so easy to go the other direction.  There are some nice things in SE mods, but as heavily story focused as Laura's Bondage Shop is, those things are less impactful to writing good dialog and designing interesting story quests.

Edited December 19, 2024 by Hex Bolt

[worik]

1 hour ago, Laura said:

Question time!

 

Who of you use LE? I'm thinking of making the move to SE and I wanna know what y'all think.

Both

New game is going SE only

But I still have my LE at hand

 

It still bugs me, that there is still so much manual stuff involved to develop it in LE and push it fully automated through fancy software and have it in SE

[Taki17]

1 hour ago, Laura said:

What kind of new goodies are waiting for me with DDNG?

I'd mainly recommend it because of the thoroughly overhauled contraptions, first and foremost, since you have told you'd like to do something with them soon. It's honestly a night-and-day difference compared to what's available in DD5.2!

 

There's of course the lots of new restraints you can spice up the mod with (even retroactively for existing quests), and the overall de-jankification of DD wherever possible, which is always welcome.

[HyperonicX]

2 hours ago, Laura said:

Question time!

 

Who of you use LE? I'm thinking of making the move to SE and I wanna know what y'all think.

I still use LE, and while I have tried multiple times to move over to SE/AE, things keep screwing up so I keep going back to what works for me.

[JustMe469]

3 hours ago, Laura said:

Question time!

 

Who of you use LE? I'm thinking of making the move to SE and I wanna know what y'all think.

I'm in the LE camp. Plenty of people saying SE is the way to go, but for me I don't think I will. 

[kayocey]

4 hours ago, Laura said:

Question time!

 

Who of you use LE? I'm thinking of making the move to SE and I wanna know what y'all think.

I am on SE. I tried LE many times  (i have heard its better for a modded setup) but can never seem to get happy with it. - Same mods mostly and it still ends up wonky? Most definatly user error giggles. 

Someone on here helped me setup SE and since I am bleh with computer stuff i stick with it

Edited December 20, 2024 by Kaiteyc

[CaptainJ03]

6 hours ago, Taki17 said:

I'd mainly recommend it because of the thoroughly overhauled contraptions, first and foremost, since you have told you'd like to do something with them soon. It's honestly a night-and-day difference compared to what's available in DD5.2!

 

There's of course the lots of new restraints you can spice up the mod with (even retroactively for existing quests), and the overall de-jankification of DD wherever possible, which is always welcome.

Really? I'm on AE for two weeks now and haven't seen any remarkable difference. Maybe AE has some new features, but they are no game changers for me. But I admit that I haven't tried the contraptions, because I typically start to do things on my smartphone to kill time when locked in them.

[kurotatsu]

9 hours ago, Laura said:

Question time!

 

Who of you use LE? I'm thinking of making the move to SE and I wanna know what y'all think.

 

I was a long-time LE user, at the start of this year switched to AE and especially now with CS and PBR textures - it was WORTH it. LE and SE should be dropped and forgotten.

[Psalam]

Spoiler

That's why I'm on the fence about it. I still use LE because it's good enough. I kinda expected to be the only one. What's the reason you're still on LE?

 

It comes down to the old saw, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." This, in turn has several layers but the most important one is: Bugthesda is not going to "update" LE and thereby ruin my game at their convenience.

[swords and sandals]

On the whole Ellie/Essie/Annie debate (yes, that's what I call them, but I'll stick to LE/SE/AE here) I've been playing AE for a while now, although I do still have LE installed and can switch back whenever I want. Even if I never go back to LE again in the future, I would personally still like to see as many mods as possible support all editions.

 

Generally, I find SE/AE to be a much smoother and more stable experience, but there are two main things I don't like. Firstly, no matter what ENB or textures I install, I can't get SE/AE looking as good as LE. I'm not sure why, as in theory there should be a better base to start from there, but that's what I find. And the second issue is devious related. The chain physics don't work very well, making things like ankle shackles and the good old prisoner chains something I dread seeing. (I'm using DD NG, and if anyone knows of a fix for the SMP chain physics, please share!)

[Ursur1major]

15 hours ago, Laura said:

Question time!

 

Who of you use LE? I'm thinking of making the move to SE and I wanna know what y'all think.

I have moved to SE since my old LE build is properly broken and if I'm going to rebuild it I might as well do it on SE, and I do say I feel it is worth it, I did get the AE upgrade because it feels like that is necessary if you don't want to do some extra fiddling and getting everything set up again after so long.

But I feel that it is a straight improvement so far, the issues I've faced have been from my own outdated modding habits and general fumbling with the installation orders.

 

[Tetras66]

15 hours ago, Laura said:

Question time!

 

Who of you use LE? I'm thinking of making the move to SE and I wanna know what y'all think.

I still have LE, but I use AE for playing and SE for development. My LE build is so broken I can't even get through one quest without multiple CTD. The downside of AE is Bethesda updates break all your mods regularly. I'm glad I have SE for development because I can use DM3 😄

 

My SE mods do mostly work on LE, but I've heard that AE mods don't because of header changes?

[belegost]

20 hours ago, Laura said:

Question time!

 

Who of you use LE? I'm thinking of making the move to SE and I wanna know what y'all think.

 

I've been on SE ever since I've had it added for free to my library in 2016. I have never looked back since. There is nothing to gain staying on LE.

 

5 hours ago, Tetras66 said:

My SE mods do mostly work on LE, but I've heard that AE mods don't because of header changes?

 

BEES is the answer.

Edited December 20, 2024 by belegost

[kayocey]

23 minutes ago, belegost said:

 

 

 

BEES is the answer.

 NOT THE BEEEEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


-please don't hate me, i just couldnt resist :):):)

[belegost]

7 minutes ago, Kaiteyc said:

 NOT THE BEEEEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


-please don't hate me, i just couldnt resist :):):)

I presume this is a reference to something, but it flew over my head. Like a bee.

Edited December 20, 2024 by belegost

[Laura]

Alright, LE stays. But since I set up the SE Creation Kit, I can port it to SE myself.

Speaking of which. How did they manage to make the SE CK even slower? Bethesda really is special.

[Allen Harris]

1 hour ago, Laura said:

Alright, LE stays. But since I set up the SE Creation Kit, I can port it to SE myself.

Speaking of which. How did they manage to make the SE CK even slower? Bethesda really is special.

You need to be sure to have the creation kit se fixes btw

[kurotatsu]

11 hours ago, Laura said:

Alright, LE stays. But since I set up the SE Creation Kit, I can port it to SE myself.

Speaking of which. How did they manage to make the SE CK even slower? Bethesda really is special.

 

https://github.com/Perchik71/Creation-Kit-Platform-Extended/releases

 

is a must-have, highly recommend it.

 

Also using minimal CK profile (with only required mods, only for CK work) in MO2 speeds up things dramatically.

Edited December 21, 2024 by kurotatsu

[gamer098]

Was thinking it'd be nice to have an option to toggle off tiny sapphire rewards from gathering restraints or doing deliveries. It feels cheap to be able to earn them while not having to deal with the consequences of The Game since Laura lets you out of the devices for the duration of the job.

 

Also realized if you end up fully helpless, anyone who plays with needs mods may run into issues. Would be cute if we could ask Laura to feed us.