Banned from Nexus

[Lagoon0654]

edit: not sure how I just double posted... Only clicked the button once.

 

edit2: All this talk has made me weary.  I shall go play skyrim as a werewolf with boobs and go on a hunting spree.

[D_ManXX2]

 

 

conversions

 

Again it depends what you are converting. and even Bethesda does not allow any conversion from their own games in there own games. like oblivion to skyrim or skyrim to oblivion etc.

 

Also derivatives what do you mean by this ?? copy paste someone else his work ?? That is not derivative but plagiarism.

Some one can make a derivatives even from starting from scratch. This is not illegal since this is your work now. let's say you see a real good animation from one game you open blender and make that same one from scratch. it will now be your work.

 

you just used the original as sample not copy paste like some one would do.

[Kendo 2]

That Creation Kit eula would never withstand a serious challenge in court.  There is NO WAY any jurisdition would side with them over instance of creation copyright.  If I write code in C++ that will work with ANY GAME there is no way they can claim right to it simply because I happened to modify it to work with Skyrim and uploaded it to Steam Workshop.  And they certainly do not have rights over meshes and textures created from scratch.

 

The only way they could stake claim is if I based the new code on something they had already done.  That would make it a 'derivative'.

[Misplaced Reality]

 

Again it depends what you are converting. and even Bethesda does not allow any conversion from their own games in there own games. like oblivion to skyrim or skyrim to oblivion etc.

 

Also derivatives what do you mean by this ?? copy paste someone else his work ?? That is not derivative but plagiarism.

Some one can make a derivatives even from starting from scratch. This is not illegal since this is your work now. let's say you see a real good animation from one game you open blender and make that same one from scratch. it will now be your work.

 

you just used the original as sample not copy paste like some one would do.

 

 

Derivatives are mods that add something new into the game, but use something from a different mod to work properly; a good example of this could be the UNP or CBBE re-textures; they are mods on their own, but require UNP/CBBE respectively (and usually credit the authors) to work. That is derivative work; work that is unique in its own way, but requires some other mods to exist and provide a new experience to the user.

 

Re-textures of custom armours, weapons and other mods are also derivatives. This also includes many other things that I can't really fill into a single post, but I am sure that by now you get the idea.

 

Conversions should also be allowed by default, there goes a good amount of work to ensure that a certain mod can be converted from a certain game from another, sometimes also involving translations. That work by itself, should be respected in the same way and level of the original work as long proper credit is given.

 

Plagiarism is when someone simply takes something, does something with it, (or not, doesn't matter) and claims all the rights without citing the original authors and thus putting the authenticity of the content into question. I am talking about allowing proper derivative work and conversions to happen freely as long the original author is properly cited and ensured that the credit for the respective sections of the derivative or the conversion goes to them, I am all against plagiarism as I have suffered of it personally.

 

Note: I agree, the topic has been derailed. We can take this to a PM so the topic can start once more.

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Whats next step for the modders to do?... start asking money?

 

If this pulling out mods continuing we soon can shutdown nexus/LL or other sides.

 

I have the feeling these days its more about ego and vanity then release a mod and hope many use it or improve it modders should be honered that the mods gets improved instead of protecting if its there own baby and say get your dirty hands of me you damn dirty APE(oh sorry thats from a movie )

 

I understand they want some credit but don't push it to much or you killing your own hobby.

[Kendo 2]

Whats next step for the modders to do?... start asking money?

 

If this pulling out mods continuing we soon can shutdown nexus/LL or other sides.

 

I have the feeling these days its more about ego and vanity then release a mod and hope many use it or improve it modders should be honered that the mods gets improved instead of protecting if its there own baby and say get your dirty hands of me you damn dirty APE(oh sorry thats from a movie )

 

I understand they want some credit but don't push it to much or you killing your own hobby.

Fair enough, as long as people are actually modding or embellishing what other modders make.  Simply recycling someone elses content IS NOT MODDING.  It never will be.

 

And I mod for myself and a core of about 15 people.  My game folders are FULL of custom content I've made and things other modders have made for me.  My saying 'no you can not use my content' will in no way 'kill' my hobby and I promise you I will not suffer in the least if I stop using game forums as a vehicle to distribute my mods.  Let's get something VERY clear here.  MODDERS are the ones doing the favors by sharing modded content.  NO ONE is doing modders any favors by using the stuff we mod to make their games look better.  A little gratitude from downloaders goes a long way towards making modders more willing to share their work.  But a sense of entitlement, or the attitude of 'oh modders are just big babies who don't wanna share' puts a stink on the whole ordeal.

 

I expect to see this sort of attitude on Nexus.  Frankly, I'm shocked to see it here.  It's very disheartening.

[NexusCron]

Which means Loverslab is turning into the Very thing it opposes, why?

[Kendo 2]

I don't have a clue.  People who have been here far longer than my 20 some-odd-days obviously have the whole modder-downloader relationship already figured out.  We're their bitches, just like at Nexus. "Just shut up and give us our mods."

[RitualClarity]

A nice read on mod authorization from a modder. Good and bad.

http://wryemusings.com/Cathedral%20vs.%20Parlor.html

 

[Rayblue]

A nice read on mod authorization from a modder. Good and bad.

http://wryemusings.com/Cathedral%20vs.%20Parlor.html

 

Bookmarking it.

 

I'll not be surprised if soon that remaking a mod or using a resource would require, in addition to asking for permission, reading and signing a digital Memorandum of Agreement from the original author. This having seen how some modders (for a particular EA game) go to extremes like hiring a lawyer to sue someone else.

[Captain Cobra]

I don't have a clue.  People who have been here far longer than my 20 some-odd-days obviously have the whole modder-downloader relationship already figured out.  We're their bitches, just like at Nexus. "Just shut up and give us our mods."

 

In all the download threads for the mods I've downloaded or have been interested in have been nothing like this, and the mod authors given much praise for their works.

 

I must just be lucky, eh?

[Kendo 2]

I give up.

[Captain Cobra]

Remember to sign your resignation~

[RitualClarity]

 

A nice read on mod authorization from a modder. Good and bad.

http://wryemusings.com/Cathedral%20vs.%20Parlor.html

 

Bookmarking it.

 

I'll not be surprised if soon that remaking a mod or using a resource would require, in addition to asking for permission, reading and signing a digital Memorandum of Agreement from the original author.

 

Not really enforceable. You can pretty much take what you want and do with it what you want to do with it and suffer no legal aftereffects. You would still be a dick, douche or any other colorful list of names. The sites and the communities are what enforce the rules. I for one never realized that Beware of Girl was using materials without permission. I thought it was accepted. I did however think that the re-upload of the Official t3  was Ok. It gave appropriate credit and the author never posted anything in public about any wrong doings. I might have posted some counterargument post there but a few of the individuals leading the crusade against this upload were a few of those you don't contradict there on the Nexus. You know those when you see them in any forum.

 

Using any work from any other author without giving clear info on the case is bad. I  have uploaded a few things into the downloads sections. I have even repacked a few for our users. However I have always tried to get someone to give permission and provide links and credit where ever possible. When I created my tutorial. I gave credit to the three major individuals that were in contact with me on the subject. Each helped in their own way and each had different levels of assistance but I was assisted even if it was another set of eyes looking over the tutorial to make sure that it was readable and flowed nicely.

 

Giving credit, providing links to original works, clear descriptions of what was done are easy, and proper ways of doing things. That doesn't take anything away from the creator. The repack of mods he mentioned into a easier form without permission is a jerk thing to do. The individual should have asked, linked to original works, and since nothing really was done except a few minutes of work, offer the creator the repack.

 

The issue isn't rights, credit, or use of materials. The issue is people being "dicks", "douches", "pricks" and any other colorful descriptions in their creations or "re-creations" regardless of level of artistic work even if it is something as simple as a re-pack. It is un-necessary and uncalled for.

 

[Kendo 2]

Remember to sign your resignation~

Nice.  I really feel welcomed now.  I'm glad you appreciate my contributions to Lover's Lab.

[RitualClarity]

 

Remember to sign your resignation~

Nice.  I really feel welcomed now.  I'm glad you appreciate my contributions to Lover's Lab.

 

 

Cocaine Cobra seems to really like you.

 

[DoctaSax]

Let's take it back to topic, eh?

Permissions to use a mod's resources are for modders themselves to decide, and here at LL we respect an author's wishes, no matter what they are, if they are known, end of story.

 

 

[DixiePig]

I think it's pretty clear that the meaning was "flambouyant, slightly ridiculous". I'd recommend modifying to "camp" to take the edge off homophobic semantic connections, or better yet throw in a reference to Elton John.

[AwfulArchdemon]

  Couldn't resist!

[NexusCron]

Flat out tempted to ask the Mods to close this thread, Attacking Kendo 2 because he doesn't agree with you IS the Nexus way, and by god we are not the fucking Nexus, if you wanna be like the Nexus, take the door!

[AwfulArchdemon]

But seriously, modders post there requirements. They specify whether or not you can openly distribute their mods, but very few say you can't distribute them under any circumstance. They can be contacted, and asked for permission, if permission is not already granted, and if someone wishes to add the mod to theirs, or whatever the case. Many tell you that they don't care what you do with the mod, like Lovers Comfort. Still, people should mention who made it out of common decency, and not remove readme files, and all the other obvious stuff, even in that case.

[Kendo 2]

Flat out tempted to ask the Mods to close this thread, Attacking Kendo 2 because he doesn't agree with you IS the Nexus way, and by god we are not the fucking Nexus, if you wanna be like the Nexus, take the door!

Thanks for the vote of confidence but closing this (or any thread for that matter) won't resolve the situation.  It is unfortunate that I'm prompted to write a new user's agreement to ensure the Lover's Lab exclusive content I upload stays here and doesn't worm its way to Nexus because a handful of people think that what they download is theirs to do with as they please.  I'm not in the least bit discouraged though.  There are plenty of nice people here.

 

And I'm used to the 'let's put the big-shot modder in his place' mindset.  Put up with it for 6 years on Nexus because I always ended up defending my own mod pages.  I guess the staff was always too busy bullying people in the debates threads or fiddle-fart-fucking-around in the chat room.  That's why I always smile sweetly and quote them for posterity.  That, and they can't come back later and edit their posts.  XD

[AwfulArchdemon]

Yeah, what's up with that? They apparently hang out in the chat room, and ban people for saying something "wrong" there too! Is no place sacred on Nexus? I won't even PM there, if it's not strictly for troubleshooting a game, just like the threads.

[unscwupulous]

 

 or fiddle-fart-fucking-around in the chat room. 

 

 

Pure gold   Thanks for the laugh. 

Seriously though that goddamned chat room is like Account jeopardy or something :

 

[CoxcombCornking]

Thievery used to be an obvious matter, before folks turned every discussion into a courtroom drama.

In the days of yore, "common sense" could differentiate fair use from outright theft. 

There really is a difference between the two.

If I were to steal your car, and paint my name on the side of it. That does not make it my car.

If I borrow your car to go to a wedding (your car is nicer than mine  ) and the other guests say: "hey, nice car.", i should tell them "yes, it is not mine, I borrowed it from my nice friend, to use for today."