Devious Devices SE

[poprocks22]

On 8/3/2021 at 1:38 PM, zarantha said:

 

It depends on what is calling the animation, and what devices you have from what mod, and if the other NPC is a creature or not. DD handles the filter only, it doesn't start animations or surrender on it's own. If you have multiple mods that handle surrender, you could end up with conflicts that result in odd behaviors.

 

Ideally, DD should choose an animation that respects what devices are equipped and not remove them if everything is checked in the animation settings. (This can frequently result in only the DD Belt Solo animation being available, just a FYI.) It should intercept animations if there are DD devices and apply the filter. But a mod that's too old may not work as expected, and if you have other frameworks installed (ZAZ, Toys) the animations may be triggered through that framework and not use DD's at all.

 

What mod are you using to surrender with?

Exactly what devices were equipped at the time?

What NPC were you in the animation with?

If you can reproduce it, get a papyrus log after reproducing the issue and attach it. The process is the same for LE and SE, so the LE instructions are fine.

https://www.creationkit.com/index.php?title=User:DavidJCobb/Papyrus_logging

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/articles/368

hi sorry i took so long, here is my papyrus log, 
 

What mod are you using to surrender with? The Cursed loot mods surrender system

Exactly what devices were equipped at the time? To get the log I used the Armbinder

What NPC were you in the animation with? 1 Forsworn
please let me know if there is any more info I can give you, thanks for the continued help.

Papyrus.0.log

[Elsidia]

17 hours ago, poprocks22 said:

Forsworn

Forsworn in counted as creature and doesn't have surrender animations in DCL.

Try surrender to bandits near Whiterun

Also to start a sex scene, while waiting enter in console and wait here while in left corner in name of animation. It's old sexlab SE bug.

Much much faster start a sex.

UPD: Depend on your papyrus log woodpecker is freezing.  You have too much heavy scripted mods to run on your PC.

 

Edited August 6, 2021 by Elsidia

[nikola2]

Can someone please help me?
I always play as dom, so much of content of Devious Devices is wasted on me. I only want to use clothes from this mod on NPCs, so is there a Devious Devices version with non-scripted clothes, so that I don't need keys to change them? Or is it possible to port clothes some easy way without those scripts?
Also, it would help game stability quite a bit .

Thanks in advance.

Edited August 6, 2021 by nikola2

[zarantha]

7 hours ago, Elsidia said:

Forsworn in counted as creature

 

Huh. I wouldn't have thought they were. Thought they were a faction like bandits.

 

@Kimy is this expected? Shouldn't forsworn not be counted as a human instead of creature?

[zarantha]

1 hour ago, nikola2 said:

Can someone please help me?
I always play as dom, so much of content of Devious Devices is wasted on me. I only want to use clothes from this mod on NPCs, so is there a Devious Devices version with non-scripted clothes, so that I don't need keys to change them? Or is it possible to port clothes some easy way without those scripts?
Also, it would help game stability quite a bit .

Thanks in advance.

 

There's an option to manipulate the locks in the MCM. With that checked and the locks manipulated, you can take off items when you want without a key when clicking unlock. There's not a way to get rid of the dialogue/scripts that I know of.

 

This might be something like what you're looking for:

 

[zarantha]

Alright folks, I have permission to provide alternate links for downloading DD and DCL. I have them linked on the troubleshooting post so they can be updated easier. Head there if you have trouble downloading from mega.

 

https://www.loverslab.com/topic/99700-devious-devices-se-50-2020-11-26/page/111/?tab=comments#comment-3077930

 

[Corsec]

1 hour ago, nikola2 said:

Can someone please help me?
I always play as dom, so much of content of Devious Devices is wasted on me. I only want to use clothes from this mod on NPCs, so is there a Devious Devices version with non-scripted clothes, so that I don't need keys to change them? Or is it possible to port clothes some easy way without those scripts?
Also, it would help game stability quite a bit .

Thanks in advance.

 

32 minutes ago, zarantha said:

 

There's an option to manipulate the locks in the MCM. With that checked and the locks manipulated, you can take off items when you want without a key when clicking unlock. There's not a way to get rid of the dialogue/scripts that I know of.

 

This might be something like what you're looking for:

 

 

If you don't want my patches (which add devices to NPCs) you could instead use the orginal mod, which is integrated into my patches-

 

Spoiler

 

 

Edited August 6, 2021 by Corsec

[nikola2]

41 minutes ago, Corsec said:

 

 

If you don't want my patches (which add devices to NPCs) you could instead use the orginal mod, which is integrated into my patches-

 

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Thank you both so very much for a quick response!
If if understand correctly, I just add Non-Devious Devices 1.1.7z and Non-Zaz-Non-Devious Devices.7z after Devious Devices SE & VR 5.1 and all devices will work like a normal clothes?

Edited August 6, 2021 by nikola2

[poprocks22]

15 hours ago, Elsidia said:

Forsworn in counted as creature and doesn't have surrender animations in DCL.

Try surrender to bandits near Whiterun

Also to start a sex scene, while waiting enter in console and wait here while in left corner in name of animation. It's old sexlab SE bug.

Much much faster start a sex.

UPD: Depend on your papyrus log woodpecker is freezing.  You have too much heavy scripted mods to run on your PC.

 

thanks i will try it with bandits, if you could look at my load order and tell me if i should disable for a better experience i would greatly appreciate it. im pretty confused when it comes to modding so, sorry if i sound like an idiot, thanks a lot in advance. 
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[SleepyJim]

8 hours ago, nikola2 said:

If if understand correctly, I just add Non-Devious Devices 1.1.7z and Non-Zaz-Non-Devious Devices.7z after Devious Devices SE & VR 5.1 and all devices will work like a normal clothes?

 

It's been a while since I used NDD, and I haven't used it in Skyrim SE yet, but you only need one of its two files. The Non-Devious Devices version requires the Zaz Animation Pack to be installed, and the Non-Zaz version doesn't and doesn't include gags or anything that appears to bind arms - such as armbinders and yokes. Otherwise, they're the same. Pick the main file if you use Zaz, and the non-Zaz file if you don't.

 

NDD also adds its own devices, with different names. If you have Devious Devices installed you will still have all the fully devious gear available in your game as well as a selection of separate non-devious alternatives. Any other mods you have that make use of the full devious gear will still do so.

[Elsidia]

6 hours ago, poprocks22 said:

if i should disable for a better experience

I'm not very good at it. I play with minimal requirements for DCL.

 

[zarantha]

10 hours ago, poprocks22 said:

should disable for a better experience

 

I don't play with mods like killable children, because of the potential for DCL to detect it as a potential conflict. TKAA and RS Children without the playable are about it.

It might be fine, but if DCL stops working that would be my first recommendation to remove.

 

From the known conflicts:

https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/5924-deviously-cursed-loot-se-beta-2/

 

Non-Essential Children - removes tags from children characters the game needs to distinguish them from adult characters. Cursed Loot will disable itself when it detects this mod in your load order. Solution: Uninstall mod.

RCOTS, ERSO 09 - RUS-Npcs overhaul and other mods allowing child followers or playable children - playable child races and followers don't go together with an adult mod. Cursed Loot will disable itself when it detects one of these mods in your load order. Solution: Uninstall mod.
RS Children - works fine, but install it without the "Playable" option.

[poprocks22]

3 hours ago, zarantha said:

 

I don't play with mods like killable children, because of the potential for DCL to detect it as a potential conflict. TKAA and RS Children without the playable are about it.

It might be fine, but if DCL stops working that would be my first recommendation to remove.

 

From the known conflicts:

https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/5924-deviously-cursed-loot-se-beta-2/

 

Non-Essential Children - removes tags from children characters the game needs to distinguish them from adult characters. Cursed Loot will disable itself when it detects this mod in your load order. Solution: Uninstall mod.

RCOTS, ERSO 09 - RUS-Npcs overhaul and other mods allowing child followers or playable children - playable child races and followers don't go together with an adult mod. Cursed Loot will disable itself when it detects one of these mods in your load order. Solution: Uninstall mod.
RS Children - works fine, but install it without the "Playable" option.

thanks a ton, I  will disable it right away, thanks for looking into it and thanks for all the info, I appreciate your help.

[poprocks22]

On 8/6/2021 at 7:00 AM, Elsidia said:

Try surrender to bandits near Whiterun

i tried this and the armbinders were still removed during the scene and place back on after the scene, ive also disabled ~20 mods to lower the load on the game. 

[astor2015]

Is there any way to remove furniture devices like the x cross and such?

[judge007]

console

click on it

"disable" + enter

Edited August 8, 2021 by judge007

[Elsidia]

9 hours ago, poprocks22 said:

were still removed during the scene

Check this MCM. If there is unchecked checkbox, that means that DD before sex scene will remove armbinders and later put it back.
If there is all checked i have no idea.

If you want use all sex animations (by this filter) , then armbinders will be removed and sex works as always. After sex armbinders put back.

If you want don't remove armbinders, then there will be only DD armbinder sex animations (by this filter) and armbinders will stay on:

Spoiler

 

UPD: If it not help, i haven't idea. If it's removes some mods before sex scene maybe there is write into papyrus.  Enable logging, right after sex scene check papyrus log. Maybe there will write reason why armbinder is removed. 

Edited August 8, 2021 by Elsidia

[hungvipbcsok]

I need help!! How to make the chain set work properly? I build bodyslide for 3BA body and have HDTsmp.

[zarantha]

4 hours ago, hungvipbcsok said:

I need help!! How to make the chain set work properly? I build bodyslide for 3BA body and have HDTsmp.

 

Just an FYI, saying things are 'not working' is tremendously unhelpful and you're unlikely to get help anywhere with a description like that. Always say how things are broke, or if you don't know how to describe the issue, provide a screenshot.

 

The don't look perfect and will not. None of us that converted the chains from LE PE to SE SMP have the skill to fix the meshes or write the xmls from scratch better than what we have, and no one else with more skill has come along to fix them yet.

 

If the chains move, but aren't connecting perfectly, this is working as best we can get. For ankle chains alone, if you save, exit the game entirely, and reload, they will connect properly until the time you take them off and put them back on. prisoner chains look better after a restart, but still don't connect all the way. wrist chains just don't connect at all iirc.

 

If the chains are totally stiff, you have an issue with your HDT SMP setup. Make sure you're using the SMP off the Nexus. You can also try Karonar's fixes for SMP, just install it over the nexus smp. If chains still are stiff, you can build the no HDT versions. Those will remove chains in some things and replace the prisoner chains with a different set.

[zarantha]

1 hour ago, hungvipbcsok said:

Yes it is Stiff problem.

 

 

You've got two HDT SMP mods then. only use one, the other must be uninstalled. I don't use the schaken one, so i don't know how well it works. The nexus one by itself is fine.

 

If all schaken did is repack the old hydrogensayshdt dlls, then there's bugs that will be fixed by using the nexus one instead. karonar's update to the nexus SMP fixes still more things and improves performance.

[zarantha]

1 hour ago, hungvipbcsok said:

Yes it is Stiff problem.

 

 

 

If you want to trouble shoot as is, look in the skse and smp log files

 

C:\Users\<your username>\Documents\My Games\Skyrim Special Edition\SKSE\skse64.log

C:\Users\<your username>\Documents\My Games\Skyrim Special Edition\SKSE\hdtSMP64.log

[hungvipbcsok]

9 hours ago, zarantha said:

 

If you want to trouble shoot as is, look in the skse and smp log files

 

C:\Users\<your username>\Documents\My Games\Skyrim Special Edition\SKSE\skse64.log

C:\Users\<your username>\Documents\My Games\Skyrim Special Edition\SKSE\hdtSMP64.log

Here is my log. I need help troubleshoot.

skee64.log hdtSMP64.log

[Tron91]

Spoiler

48 minutes ago, hungvipbcsok said:

Here is my log. I need help troubleshoot.

skee64.log 16.31 kB · 0 downloads hdtSMP64.log 6.21 kB · 0 downloads

 

 

I would actually ask to stay away from these Chain Items. They are sort of Broken (For the Eyes) as of now.

[TrickyK]

1 hour ago, Tron91 said:

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I would actually ask to stay away from these Chain Items. They are sort of Broken (For the Eyes) as of now.

 

As far as I know this is an HDT SMP limitation where you can't connect a physics object between 2 bones.

 

What's stopping someone from making an edited version that does work? The nexus page says full permissions, meaning that modification and reuploading is okay.

[zarantha]

45 minutes ago, TrickyK said:

 

As far as I know this is an HDT SMP limitation where you can't connect a physics object between 2 bones.

 

What's stopping someone from making an edited version that does work? The nexus page says full permissions, meaning that modification and reuploading is okay.

 

If you can do it, go for it. I've fixed them to the limit of my skill and the others I've worked with, and have no programming knowledge to even begin editing the dll. Basically, what's stopping someone is it's a very limited skillset along with a very niche market (bondage/chains). No one who cares can fix it more, and the ones who might be able to aren't interested in the niche problem.