Devious Devices SE

[chaosarah]

6 minutes ago, zarantha said:

 

That's not a DD dialog, so don't know if it's working right.  So definitely make sure there's not an issue on PAHE's end.

You can upload a papyrus log after trying to give it again, and I'll see if there's anything noticeable on DD's side.

What would an DD dialog look like? I never seen one afaik

[zarantha]

1 hour ago, zato770 said:

What exactly do I need to reinstall?

 

I have cleared override, fnis, nemesis, bodyslide and deactivated all nemesis and idle related mods. Also created a new save. 
Armbinders are working, chains and iron yoke don’t (haven’t tested all items). 

 

Nemesis, last time I tried it, said FNIS mods might need to be reinstalled if it was removed. That would mean reinstall FNIS and DD in this case.

I have no idea where that reference went or if it's been fixed since then.

 

Another troubleshooting step to take would be (another) a new game with only DD and its' requirements installed, to make sure it's not another mod conflicting.

[zarantha]

12 minutes ago, chaosarah said:

What would an DD dialog look like? I never seen one afaik

 

Hmm, actually not seeing one from NPC in DD.

The one I'm thinking of was DCL and has [Restraints] in the topic

 

 

[chaosarah]

4 minutes ago, zarantha said:

 

Hmm, actually not seeing one from NPC in DD.

The one I'm thinking of was DCL and has [Restraints] in the topic

 

 

I mean i checked if DD is working at all. Its fine for the PC and i can equip DD onto NPC with a slaverun cheat - but it still feels somewhat broken. The DD dont replace worn items by themselfs. And like is said, asking an NPC to equip them just gets ignored completly.

[zarantha]

1 hour ago, kylexf said:

Thank you!

 

Save/reload improved things significantly, looking forward to the fabled next version! ?

 

Keep in mind that only the ankle chains can be fixed like that. Other chains don't connect together no matter what, at most, they'll look better after a load, but that's it. If it's especially bothersome to you, build the 'no hdt' version of the chains. For most, it removes the chains, for the prisoner chains it replaces the model with the chain harness.

[zarantha]

1 hour ago, aurreth said:

If you don't know the answer to that question you are not being helpful by telling me "tweak the settings in MCM".  Seriously, if I'm good enough to want to alter quests and scripts don't you think I've already tried all the other non-CK/xEdit solutions?

 

If you're good enough to alter the scripts, I expect you're better than I am and good enough to do what I need to do and search in xedit or in the scripts themselves to find the piece you want to edit. I did say I didn't know, which is why I was providing alternate ways to get you out of the bindings.

 

All the solutions that have been provided to date are valid and what has been recommended at other times and places. It is NOT normal to ask to edit the scripts, and editing them is not supported. If you break something later on by changing them, then none of us can help you. The other methods are safer and less likely to break your game.

 

Have you tried looking at the script Elsidia mentioned? That seems to be specific and what you're looking for, and gives the script name ffs...  Or did you just come to yell because you didn't read it completely and assumed the screenshots were all that was said?

 

https://www.loverslab.com/topic/99700-devious-devices-se-51-2021-03-24/?do=findComment&comment=3485050

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If not, it uses script default chance from zadequipscript

 

zadEquipScript.psc

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    ; Escape system
    Float Property BaseEscapeChance = 0.0 Auto                ; Base chance to escape a restraint via struggling. Magic bonus applies. 0 disables this feature.
    Float Property LockPickEscapeChance = 0.0 Auto            ; Base chance to escape a restraint via lockpicking Need proper lockpick, Lockpick bonus applies. 0 disables this feature.
    Form[] Property AllowedLockPicks Auto                     ; List of items other than lockpicks considered a valid pick tool for this device. The lockpick is allowed by default unless disabled.
    Bool Property AllowLockPick = True Auto                    ; Indicates whether or not the bobby pin is considered a valid lockpick for this device.
    Float Property CutDeviceEscapeChance = 0.0 Auto            ; Base chance to escape a restraint via cutting it open. Need proper tool, Agiliy bonus applies. 0 disables this feature.
    Bool Property AllowStandardTools = True Auto            ; Indicates whether or not the items in the standard tools list (all small blades) are considered a valid cutting tool for this device.
K    eyword[] Property AllowedTool Auto                        ; List of item keywords considered a cutting tool for this device.
    Float Property CatastrophicFailureChance = 0.0 Auto        ; Chance that an escape attempt fails in a catastrophic manner, preventing any further attempts to escape this device using that method.
    Float Property EscapeCooldown = 2.0    Auto                ; How many hours have to pass between escape attempts.
    Float Property RepairJammedLockChance = 20.0 Auto        ; Chance that the player manages to successfully repair a jammed lock.
    Float Property RepairCooldown = 4.0    Auto                ; How many hours have to pass between repair attempts.
    Bool Property AllowDifficultyModifier = False Auto        ; Override to allow the difficulty modifier for quest/custom items (tagged with zad_BlockGeneric or zad_QuestItem). For generic items this is always allowed, regardless of this setting.
    Bool Property DisableLockManipulation = False Auto        ; Override to disallow the player manipulating the locks. Not needed for quest/custom items, as this feature is disabled for them anyway.

 

These are the functions to start with, I'd assume.

 

    Function DisplayDifficultyMsg()

    Float Function CalculateDifficultyModifier(Bool operator = true)

    Float Function CalculateCooldownModifier(Bool operator = true)

    Float Function CalculateTimerModifier(float timerMin, float timerMax)

    Float Function CalculateKeyModifier(Bool operator = true)

    Bool Function CanMakeStruggleEscapeAttempt()

    Bool Function CanMakeCutEscapeAttempt()

    Bool Function CanMakeLockPickEscapeAttempt()

 

    ; returns 0 when the escape attempt fails, 1 at success and -1 when no attempt was made due to cooldown
    Int Function Escape(Float Chance)

 

    Bool Function HasValidCuttingTool()
        ; on second thought...this is Skyrim! Does anybody ever NOT carry a blade?

 

And so on to the end of this script.

 

[zarantha]

2 hours ago, aurreth said:

DD is a requirement for a huge number of mods.  It should be well documented, but it's not.  There is nothing that says "this quest does this, this script controls that."  If there was I wouldn't be asking what quest/script governs escape attempts?

 

Documentation is in zadlibs, and all the scripts are also heavily commented.

[EFHT]

5 hours ago, zarantha said:

 

What version of 3BA are you using?

What preset are you using? Do you see your preset listed when you build just the transparent hobble skirt in bodyslide? (not a batch build, just the big build button in the bottom middle)

Are you running bodyslide from your mod manager?

When building just the outfit, the path should be similar to this, it goes to where skyrim is installed.

 

Is it this 3BA? https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/30174

 

It's looking alright to me, so it should be an issue with your bodyslide setup.

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I have reinstalled all the modules and finally found the cause of the previous problem.

But I don't think this is the right result. Do you have any ideas?

BTW,The mapping position of the nipple is incorrect after wear clothes. Should I do something?

[zarantha]

2 hours ago, EFHT said:

 

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I have reinstalled all the modules and finally found the cause of the previous problem.

But I don't think this is the right result. Do you have any ideas?

BTW,The mapping position of the nipple is incorrect after wear clothes. Should I do something?

 

Hmm, yes, using the racemenu sliders to change breast size will break it because bodyslide can't see what you're doing in game, it can only go off of the body built in bodyslide.

If you want to manually adjust the breasts and have clothing fit, you must edit and save the changes to the base body as a preset in bodyslide, then batch build to fit your custom preset. Make sure the new preset shows up in the list of presets for DD outfits.

 

Nipple incorrect means you installed the wrong body textures somewhere. You've got UNP or some other body's texture that's not compatible with CBBE/3BA overwriting the body textures. Find out what's overwriting your CBBE and 3BA bodies.

[EFHT]

1 hour ago, zarantha said:

 

Hmm, yes, using the racemenu sliders to change breast size will break it because bodyslide can't see what you're doing in game, it can only go off of the body built in bodyslide.

If you want to manually adjust the breasts and have clothing fit, you must edit and save the changes to the base body as a preset in bodyslide, then batch build to fit your custom preset. Make sure the new preset shows up in the list of presets for DD outfits.

 

Nipple incorrect means you installed the wrong body textures somewhere. You've got UNP or some other body's texture that's not compatible with CBBE/3BA overwriting the body textures. Find out what's overwriting your CBBE and 3BA bodies.

Thanks for replay.

But... why can CBBE's vanilla clothing deform normally by adjusting the data in ramenu without this "gap"?

And about Preview,in LE always can see texture of skin and gear ,but SE just display "No Image".Is this SE's problem or what I missed?

Edited August 24, 2021 by EFHT

[zarantha]

16 minutes ago, EFHT said:

Thanks for replay.

But... why can CBBE's vanilla clothing deform normally by adjusting the data in ramenu without this "gap"?

And about Preview,in LE always can see texture of skin and gear ,but SE just display "No Image".Is this SE's problem or what I missed?

 

Ok, so it looks like I'm wrong on that. I've never messed with the in game racemenu morphs, because if you want to fiddle with the proportions, it's better to do it with a preset. It will be persistent across profiles and saves and you only need to do it once.

 

One of the reasons for why it may not be working right is either something with 3BA, or you didn't install and activate the optional racemenu morphs plugin. 3BA has one that can replace the CBBE one.

 

What does it say at the top? CBBE Morphs or CBBE 3BA Morphs?

It is actually morphing in game for me. Mine says CBBE 3BA Morphs. And actually, my breasts get bigger when I increase that slider, so I don't know why yours is reversed.

Usually, that's a sign of of the Oldrim CBBE body being installed, but in this case, might be related to your nipple texture issue and you have a UNP or BHUNP body active somewhere in your load order after CBBE 3BA.

 

Double check your mods for what is overwriting the bodies. You should only have two bodies active for females - CBBE and 3BA. Disable all other textures and bodies and check again.

 

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You should see the textures as long as you set up bodyslide to point to your game folder. The only time I've not seen textures work is with a wabbajack install where the whole install is portable and has its own game files.

[EFHT]

47 minutes ago, zarantha said:

 

Ok, so it looks like I'm wrong on that. I've never messed with the in game racemenu morphs, because if you want to fiddle with the proportions, it's better to do it with a preset. It will be persistent across profiles and saves and you only need to do it once.

 

One of the reasons for why it may not be working right is either something with 3BA, or you didn't install and activate the optional racemenu morphs plugin. 3BA has one that can replace the CBBE one.

 

What does it say at the top? CBBE Morphs or CBBE 3BA Morphs?

It is actually morphing in game for me. Mine says CBBE 3BA Morphs. And actually, my breasts get bigger when I increase that slider, so I don't know why yours is reversed.

Usually, that's a sign of of the Oldrim CBBE body being installed, but in this case, might be related to your nipple texture issue and you have a UNP or BHUNP body active somewhere in your load order after CBBE 3BA.

 

Double check your mods for what is overwriting the bodies. You should only have two bodies active for females - CBBE and 3BA. Disable all other textures and bodies and check again.

 

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You should see the textures as long as you set up bodyslide to point to your game folder. The only time I've not seen textures work is with a wabbajack install where the whole install is portable and has its own game files.

After several attempts, I haven't found the crux. It may take a few days. I'm going to reinstall the whole module list from scratch to find out what the problem is. Maybe after reinstallation, the problem will disappear in a don't know the reason way , but if I succeed in finding the reason, I'll come back and reply to you. Thanks for your patience. Wish you health and happiness.

[Elsidia]

13 hours ago, aurreth said:

If there was I wouldn't be asking what quest/script governs escape attempts?

I answer third and last time: 

 

script name zadequipscript

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Function name what for struggle escape in search window. Other two functions feel free to find yourself.

I'm not recommend to change default values of escape system. Because it will break a most of DCL quests.

Also most of devices have chance build into inventory device because change default value not change anything.

 

But if item is designed not to escape that i done by special thought and not need to change or it will break a quests or gameplay.

Please refer item name or console id to check in xedit and what type of escape you use?

Edited August 24, 2021 by Elsidia

[xxKiawe1O1xx]

On 7/12/2019 at 10:43 PM, Pfiffy said:

Thanks to Kythana we now have a Fomod installer that make a lot of things easier for you (the user) and for us (the porters)

 

You can now chooose CBBE SE as Body option, too. 

You can choose one of the last three .dls 

The HDT-SMP files are included now, so most of the Heretic models should now work with Physics. (some of them are still a work-in-progress)

 

Devious Devices All-In-One installer:

 

https://mega.nz/#!eZ4lGADR!8f9s3kM5pVNW8cdywYEPZutW0-_gdTsdfCGHgdyXYk0

 

 

 

That link isnt working anymore, is there an issue?

 

Edited August 24, 2021 by xxKiawe1O1xx

[Terrorzwerg]

On 8/23/2021 at 3:29 PM, zarantha said:

 

Are you using nemesis? if so, you need to use fnis.

check the troubleshooting post for other possible issues.

 

 

I used Nemesis a while ago but got back to fnis. After i unistalled Nemesis i reistalled skyrim and made sure that nothing of Nemesis was left. For the Troubleshouting, i already read it, thats where i took the patches for dcl and zaz.

[Terrorzwerg]

23 minutes ago, Terrorzwerg said:

I used Nemesis a while ago but got back to fnis. After i unistalled Nemesis i reistalled skyrim and made sure that nothing of Nemesis was left. For the Troubleshouting, i already read it, thats where i took the patches for dcl and zaz.

Ok so reinstalled everything and i mean everything my game, my mods and deleted any folder on my pc that had somthing to do with skyrim and now it... it just works. Really no idea what was the problem here.

[zarantha]

6 hours ago, xxKiawe1O1xx said:

That link isnt working anymore, is there an issue?

 

 

Look at the date, that's an old unsupported version. Download it from the download page. You can get to the download page by clicking View File on the first post of this thread.

 

[zarantha]

8 minutes ago, Terrorzwerg said:

Ok so reinstalled everything and i mean everything my game, my mods and deleted any folder on my pc that had somthing to do with skyrim and now it... it just works. Really no idea what was the problem here.

 

It was probably an animation file had been overwritten in a mod somewhere, or a loose file that wasn't cleaned up.  Those can be annoying hard to track down.

[EFHT]

16 hours ago, zarantha said:

 

Ok, so it looks like I'm wrong on that. I've never messed with the in game racemenu morphs, because if you want to fiddle with the proportions, it's better to do it with a preset. It will be persistent across profiles and saves and you only need to do it once.

 

One of the reasons for why it may not be working right is either something with 3BA, or you didn't install and activate the optional racemenu morphs plugin. 3BA has one that can replace the CBBE one.

 

What does it say at the top? CBBE Morphs or CBBE 3BA Morphs?

It is actually morphing in game for me. Mine says CBBE 3BA Morphs. And actually, my breasts get bigger when I increase that slider, so I don't know why yours is reversed.

Usually, that's a sign of of the Oldrim CBBE body being installed, but in this case, might be related to your nipple texture issue and you have a UNP or BHUNP body active somewhere in your load order after CBBE 3BA.

 

Double check your mods for what is overwriting the bodies. You should only have two bodies active for females - CBBE and 3BA. Disable all other textures and bodies and check again.

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

 

You should see the textures as long as you set up bodyslide to point to your game folder. The only time I've not seen textures work is with a wabbajack install where the whole install is portable and has its own game files.

Dear zarantha.

Finally, i succeeded in finding the problem.

I reinstalled all the modules, even the beautification part with a volume of tens of gigabytes.
The reason is on the bodyslide.
Last time I have selected the correct path after installing.
Some of them did work, so befor I didn't think there was a problem here.
Now seems like that does not work correctly 100%.
The previous BS has been working in an incomplete way.
"Schrodinger's bodyslide."?
Now the breast can be adjusted correctly through the slider under group 3ba.
And the nipple map is correct
Thanks for selfless help. It's great to have you in the community.?

Have nice day.

[zarantha]

2 hours ago, EFHT said:

Dear zarantha.

Finally, i succeeded in finding the problem.

I reinstalled all the modules, even the beautification part with a volume of tens of gigabytes.
The reason is on the bodyslide.
Last time I have selected the correct path after installing.
Some of them did work, so befor I didn't think there was a problem here.
Now seems like that does not work correctly 100%.
The previous BS has been working in an incomplete way.
"Schrodinger's bodyslide."?
Now the breast can be adjusted correctly through the slider under group 3ba.
And the nipple map is correct
Thanks for selfless help. It's great to have you in the community.?

Have nice day.

 

I'm glad you were able to get it sorted out.

 

[Omnishade]

ZAZ has fixes for the armbinder animations that are bugged in DD(according to the author). So why haven't they been added to DD?

[zarantha]

4 hours ago, Inception said:

ZAZ has fixes for the armbinder animations that are bugged in DD(according to the author). So why haven't they been added to DD?

 

Because the whomever did the fixes hasn't let Kimy know what was bugged or provided the fixes on these threads where she could see and evaluate them.

It would be nice to know what was meant by 'bugged' too. I haven't seen bugged animations with the armbinders, and I have both mods.

[TBA]

Any up to date 3ba conversion for dd 5.1 ?

[zarantha]

12 minutes ago, TBA said:

Any up to date 3ba conversion for dd 5.1 ?

 

If the 3BA DD conversion page hasn't been updated, then no. You'd need to ask for an update there.

[Wonders of Eros]

 

@Kimy@Inte : In that DD-BRRF is now officially part of DD, and you two are directly responsible for the mods in question, I think you two are the best people to ask about this.

 

Do I still need the DD - BRRF_Patch - Equip.esp BRRF patch for Devious Devices Equip if I use Devious Devices SE (v.5.1) and Devious Devices - Equip SE (v.5.02 / 2021-08-11)?

 

If yes, then where do I find the latest version?