[AAF] Sex Attributes - Framework (6/26/2024)

[FO4Life]

15 hours ago, twistedtrebla said:

Make sure you're not combining the newer version with patches for any older versions, such as sanity framework or gender neutral dialogue.

 

That's going to cause a bunch of issues. Patches are made for a specific version and will only work for that version.

 

As such, use patches at your own risk. I don't create patches so it's out of my control if a certain patch breaks things 

Understood and agreed; sorry for repeating, but the first time I began encountering problems at all ws with AAF SA v2.5.2 (with SH v1.11.5), and when I started a new game (10+ days ago), everything installed perfectly. At first, all was OK but then problems did begin to occur; firstly it was inability to Show Sex Attributes, then AAF SH began to show warnings that either/both AAF SA or AAF not correctly installed. I re-installed everything, re-checked load orders, searched this forum [and found apparently previous post reporting similar problems, but upon investigation, probably erroneously concluding that it was somehow linked to Sanity Framework]. Over time, AAF SA v2.5.3 only showed Sex Reputation stat under STAT/STATUS/Q option in Pipboy. I removed AAF SH and Sanity Framework, re-checked everything, loaded AAF SA v2.5.4 and began a New Game... SA failed to install correctly; no Dom/Sub option and only Sex Reputation displayed.

[FO4Life]

16 hours ago, cmdrtomalak said:

I'm facing with your exact problem and still can't figured it out.
I updated for SA 2.5.1 to 2.5.3 and in another attempt to 2.5.4 and still had the same problem. In an existing save (were both SA an SH were functioning without problem for the last 20 hours of gameplay) and also have the same problem with a complete new game. In that case, the prompt that ask you for your dom / sub condition isn't trigger.

The only difference i've spotted is that my mod list doesn't have the Sanity Framework installed. So I can rule that out.

I'm not with my game computer right now, but... do you try to uninstall the SA HUD from the MCM? I didn't make the test to uninstall with my working version of SA (2.5.1), but with the 2.5.3 and 2.5.4 the "Uninstall" option in the MCM menu doesn't don anything. Neither try a new game without the SA HUD.

Another thing that caught my attention is that with the new versions I can't execute function from the console. Following the example from this post

With the version 2.5.1 the command execute correcty, but with 2.5.3 o 2.5.4 I get the error that the function is not registered. It's appears that the FPA_Main Quest is active but not any of its functions.

 

Hi, thanks for your feedback. I agree with what you write; I have been using AAF SA and AAF SH for a couple of years now, and up to v2.5.1 of SA I had never seen similar problems. When I started playing again a couple of weeks ago, I installed AAF SA v2.5.2, and at first everything worked fine.

 

I do not use the SA HUD plugins but only interface the stats either via Pipboy or via Show Sex Attributes from MCM keybind.

Edited April 26, 2022 by FO4Life

[FO4Life]

Further Testing

 

with same typical* mod load out [but with Sanity Framework removed], I wanted to confirm again where problems start with AAF SA:

 

- existing mod load order + AAF Sex Attributes Framework v2.5.1; New Game start... everything loaded correctly including AAF SH v.1.13.4

- existing mod load order + AAF Sex Attributes Framework v2.5.2; New Game start... 

 

* Typical meaning similar mod list I used last year when having no issues.

 

Edited April 26, 2022 by FO4Life

[FO4Life]

Conclusion

 

AAF SA v2.5.1 works fine, and I tested features in bathroom after starting New Game:

 

- AAF Sexual Harassment worked fine (force Hypno approach multiple times until triggering first "level")

- Show Sexual Attributes MCM keybind worked correctly

- No install errors

 

AAF SA v2.5.2+ can fail to load correctly, disabling features and not allowing AAF Sexual Harassment to be installed

 

To complete my tests, I removed AAF SA v2.5.2, loaded v2.5.1, and loaded existing save game [lvl 27] and everything installed perfectly.

 

EDIT: I never had similar problems with v2.5.1 or before.

Edited April 26, 2022 by FO4Life

[cmdrtomalak]

1 hour ago, FO4Life said:

Conclusion

 

AAF SA v2.5.1 works fine, and I tested features in bathroom after stating New Game:

 

- AAF Sexual Harassment worked fine (force Hypno approach multiple times until triggering first "level")

- Show Sexual Attributes MCM keybind worked correctly

- No install errors

 

AAF SA v2.5.2+ can fail to load correctly, disabling features and not allowing AAF Sexual Harassment to be installed

 

To complete my tests, I removed AAF SA v2.5.2, loaded v2.5.1, and loaded existing save game [lvl 27] and everything installed perfectly.

 

In my case, after facing the errors with SA 2.5.3 and 2.5.4, I tested rolling back to the 2.5.1 in the same existing save and upon load the save I get the windows asking for my dom / sub start level. If I have the time later i'm going to try to check the logs and see if something show up.
It's weird because i check the scripts differences between 2.5.1 and 2.5.4 and big portion of it remain the same.

 

it's any console command to end the quest or to try to make a force start?

[FO4Life]

58 minutes ago, cmdrtomalak said:

it's any console command to end the quest or to try to make a force start?

 

Sorry, I am not sure what you mean.

[twistedtrebla]

6 hours ago, FO4Life said:

Understood and agreed; sorry for repeating, but the first time I began encountering problems at all ws with AAF SA v2.5.2 (with SH v1.11.5), and when I started a new game (10+ days ago), everything installed perfectly. At first, all was OK but then problems did begin to occur; firstly it was inability to Show Sex Attributes, then AAF SH began to show warnings that either/both AAF SA or AAF not correctly installed. I re-installed everything, re-checked load orders, searched this forum [and found apparently previous post reporting similar problems, but upon investigation, probably erroneously concluding that it was somehow linked to Sanity Framework]. Over time, AAF SA v2.5.3 only showed Sex Reputation stat under STAT/STATUS/Q option in Pipboy. I removed AAF SH and Sanity Framework, re-checked everything, loaded AAF SA v2.5.4 and began a New Game... SA failed to install correctly; no Dom/Sub option and only Sex Reputation displayed.

 

You probably shouldn't be using sanity framework with any version higher than 2.5.1. In my understanding, that mod overwrites files from this mod, and was created specifically for 2.5.1. From 2.5.1 onward, there hasn't been any significant changes to this mod. The only changes are external - there has been new mods that were created for 2.5.1 and overwrite this mod's files.

 

The fact that you are seeing the issue with only sex reputation Stat showing up seems to support my suspicion. Since 2.5.1, the only Stat that has seen an update is arousal; all other stats are unchanged and they are applied on the player the exact same way. The fact that reputation is the only one you see tells me there's some file corruption, likely caused by other mod overwriting files for this mod.

[FO4Life]

36 minutes ago, twistedtrebla said:

 

You probably shouldn't be using sanity framework with any version higher than 2.5.1. In my understanding, that mod overwrites files from this mod, and was created specifically for 2.5.1. From 2.5.1 onward, there hasn't been any significant changes to this mod. The only changes are external - there has been new mods that were created for 2.5.1 and overwrite this mod's files.

 

The fact that you are seeing the issue with only sex reputation Stat showing up seems to support my suspicion. Since 2.5.1, the only Stat that has seen an update is arousal; all other stats are unchanged and they are applied on the player the exact same way. The fact that reputation is the only one you see tells me there's some file corruption, likely caused by other mod overwriting files for this mod.

Hey twistedtrebla, while I did have some other AAF mods loaded when I first ran into problems, for my final set of tests, I removed Sanity Framework in order to eliminate it from the equation as I was no longer convinced that SF had any impact on the apparent AAF SA issue. And it seems not to. So the conclusion I posted (4 posts above) was the result of testing AAF Sex Attributes solely in conjunction with AAF Sexual Harassment [Sex Em Up + Sex Education were loaded too]. It does appear that AAF SA v2.5.1 poses no problems, and from v2.5.2 there are instances when your mod does not install correctly (no dom/sub selection, stats missing in Pipboy, MCM Show Sex Attributes not functioning) and this of course has a direct impact on your other mod AAF SH. Perhaps there is yet another mod I have installed that effects this, but after seeing no conflicts in AAF_GFV nor FO4Edit, I am not convinced.

 

I am currently playing on an existing playthrough with v2.5.1 and have no issues.

Edited April 26, 2022 by FO4Life

[vaultbait]

2 minutes ago, FO4Life said:

Hey twistedtrebla, while I did have some other AAF mods loaded when I first ran into problems, for my final set of tests, I removed Sanity Framework in order to eliminate it from the equation as I was not convinced that SF had any impact on the apparent AAF SA issue. And it seems not to. So the conclusion I posted (4 posts above) was the result of testing AAF Sex Attributes solely in conjunction with AAF Sexual Harassment [Sex Em Up was loaded too]. It does appear that AAF SA v2.5.1 poses no problems, and from v2.5.2 there are instances when your mod does not install correctly (no dom/sub selection, stats missing in Pipboy, MCM Show Sex Attributes not functioning) and this of course has a direct impact on your other mod AAF SH. Perhaps there is yet another mod I have installed that effects this, but after seeing no conflicts in AAF_GFV nor FO4Edit, I am not convinced.

 

I am currently playing on an existing playthrough with v2.5.1 and have no issues.

 

Did you test starting from a previously unmodded save, or at least one which had no prior SA/SH/SF versions installed? If it were really a problem with Sex Attributes and Sexual Harassment, I'd expect to see it too, but they're working for me so something is clearly different in your testing.

[FO4Life]

1 hour ago, vaultbait said:

 

Did you test starting from a previously unmodded save, or at least one which had no prior SA/SH/SF versions installed? If it were really a problem with Sex Attributes and Sexual Harassment, I'd expect to see it too, but they're working for me so something is clearly different in your testing.

Hey vaultbait, yes I performed my final tests [as described on this page] by starting a New Game; my plan was to start at v2.5.1 (historically I never had a problem with this or prior versions) through to v2.5.4 until I managed to see issues. Issues started when I launched v2.5.2 [new game]. If memory serves, I was using v2.5.1 briefly in 2022 with no issues, then when I re-installed this month I updated to v2.5.2 ; and here's the caveat, at first everything installed as normal and it wasn't until later I first encountered a [first issue] failure to Show Sex Attributes [MCM call]. However now by switching to v2.5.2, beit a new game or loading an existing one, the various issues appear immediately.

Edited April 26, 2022 by FO4Life

[twistedtrebla]

2 hours ago, FO4Life said:

Hey vaultbait, yes I performed my final tests [as described on this page] by starting a New Game; my plan was to start at v2.5.1 (historically I never had a problem with this or prior versions) through to v2.5.4 until I managed to see issues. Issues started when I launched v2.5.2 [new game]. If memory serves, I was using v2.5.1 briefly in 2022 with no issues, then when I re-installed this month I updated to v2.5.2 ; and here's the caveat, at first everything installed as normal and it wasn't until later I first encountered a [first issue] failure to Show Sex Attributes [MCM call]. However now by switching to v2.5.2, beit a new game or loading an existing one, the various issues appear immediately.

 

In your final test did you have all other AAF mods uninstalled (except for AAf itself and its requirements plus animations)? Fairly sure some mod is overwriting this mod in your installation 

[cmdrtomalak]

I ran a couple of test to see if could catch up any errors.

With the old version I had install (the 2.5.1) and starting a new game, the dialog box asking the oriention of the character appears as normal, but with the lastest version (the 2.5.5) nothing happens.

 

Checking the logs, only relevant bit of data that I could find is:

 

[04/26/2022 - 06:23:04PM] Error: Unable to link types associated with function "isPLayerPregnant" in state "" on object "FPA:FPA_Main".
[04/26/2022 - 06:23:04PM] error: Unable to bind script FPA:FPA_Main to FPA_Main (6F000F99) because their base types do not match

 

But none of the files of SA is been overwritten and checking with xEdit none of the records of FPAttributes.esp are overwritten either.
As far as i can see 6F000F99 is the record of the FPA_Main Quest

[cmdrtomalak]

I made a quick test and modify the FPA_Main script deleting the calls the "isPlayerPregnant" function and the function itself (Becasue it was giving the error in the logs). And now appears that its starting without problems on a new game.

[FO4Life]

4 hours ago, twistedtrebla said:

 

In your final test did you have all other AAF mods uninstalled (except for AAf itself and its requirements plus animations)? Fairly sure some mod is overwriting this mod in your installation 

No I did not... I can test this further.

 

Currently, I have the following AAF apps:

- AAF 1.66 beta

- AAF Sex Attributes Framework; v.2.5.1 (I want to test v2.5.2, v2.5.3 and v2.5.4)

- AAF Sexual Harassment v1.13.4

- AAF (Uncocked) Sexual Harassment v1.13.4 Gender Neutral [a]

- Sex Education v.1.2.1 ['b]

- AAF SEU v.1.11 [c]

- AAF Violate v1.5.7 [d]

 

I was also using Dangerous Nights and Sanity Framework (as you know) but I have already removed these.

 

I will do further testing tomorrow:

- I will remove every other AAF app except AAF v1.66 beta, AAF SA and AAF SH [a]..[d]

- I will start testing with New Games beginning with AAF SA v2.5.1 (reference) then advancing through v2.5.4

- I will test various versions of AAF AH

- Depending on results, I will then attempt to re-create issues by introducing the other mods [a]..[d], individually first then grouped to see if any impacts

 

I include my current mod load list FYI 

FO4 current mod load list.txt

Edited April 27, 2022 by FO4Life

[twistedtrebla]

2 hours ago, cmdrtomalak said:

I made a quick test and modify the FPA_Main script deleting the calls the "isPlayerPregnant" function and the function itself (Becasue it was giving the error in the logs). And now appears that its starting without problems on a new game.

Interesting... do you have family planning mod installed?

[twistedtrebla]

@FO4Life it seems you don't have FamilyPlanning mod installed (it's not and shouldn't be required). I think I may have found the culprit.

 

See this comment for details: 

 

[twistedtrebla]

@FO4Life @cmdrtomalak Uploaded a new version 2.5.6 that I believe should fix your issues. The known root cause is right now believed to be explained in post right above, introduced in 2.5.2

[rubber_duck]

I appreciate the updates!

 

However, the latest version (2.5.6) doesn't seem to display Level after AAF event properly. I've got it set up like I always do (+3.5 per scene), yet after the scene the top-left notification doesn't report the correct value (checking it manually in MCM or by using the hotkey does). When my character had sex level 3.5, the next scene should add another 3.5 for the total of 7.0. However, the top-left notification reported that the new level was 3.0.

 

Just letting you know. Other than that, the mod works perfectly fine. That being said, I feel like the popup when player's arousal reaches 100 (orgasm) needs to go. The sound effect is more than enough, in my opinion.

[FO4Life]

Tests performed based on my post [5 above] and twistedtrebla 's new post [3 above]:

- switched off all AAF mods except AAF 1.66beta, AAF SA and AAF SH [kept animations and supports such as DD v2.0]

- only started New Games [with current overwrite game setup switched off], and after each New Game test, I cleared overwrite

 

Tests A:

- started with reference AAF SA v2.5.1 [and AAF SH v1.13.4] and again all functioned/installed correctly

- incremented AAF SA versions; v2.5.2 / v2.5.3 / v2.5.4 all showed issues with AAF SH warning window [see image 16 posts above]

 

Tests B:

- downloaded and installed Invictusblade 's mod AAF Family Planning Enhanced Redux v4.005

- installed AAF SA v2.5.2 and started New Game; all functioned/installed correctly

- decided to skip a few steps, installed AAF SA v2.5.4 and switched all other AAF mods back on, then started New Game; all functioned/installed correctly

 

Notes:

- for each and every New Game test, I tested AAF functionality in bathroom between Nate and Nora; the calls and animation worked for all tests as normal

- for each and every New Game test, I used MCM AAF Sexual Harassment Debug menu and forced Hypno scene; this worked as normal, but with Tests A and AAF SA v2.5.2+ I got two AAF SH warning windows (one after the other)

 

Tests C

- switched off AAF Family Planning Enhanced Redux v4.005

- tested AAF SA v2.5.6 [with AAF SH v1.14.2] with all other AAF mods previously installed as New Game; all functioned/installed correctly

- same test as above but in existing save, and once again all functioned normally and no warnings from AAF SH

 

Conclusions:

- twistedtrebla has fixed installation issues with AAF SA v2.5.6 [thank you!]

Edited April 27, 2022 by FO4Life

[cmdrtomalak]

7 hours ago, twistedtrebla said:

@FO4Life @cmdrtomalak Uploaded a new version 2.5.6 that I believe should fix your issues. The known root cause is right now believed to be explained in post right above, introduced in 2.5.2

 

Yes, i don't have Family Planning installed in my mod list and like you ask to Egoballistic it's appears that the call for that mod it's changing the type and the script doesn't get registered..

If I had that the time later (it's morning over my country after all) i going to try the new version and give you feedback about it.
Thanks for taking the time to look up the issue @twistedtrebla! ?

[izzyknows]

3 hours ago, FO4Life said:

I tested AAF functionality in bathroom between Nate and Nora;

Little tip, don't test any mod in prewar Sanctuary.  The game isn't fully loaded until leaving the vault, and will give false positives/negatives.  Sometimes it kinda works, but a very bad habit to get into.

Make a pure vanilla save after leaving the vault and moving off the vault door. (or download a vanilla save Like Ms. Vault111) And use that save for testing mods.

[FO4Life]

2 hours ago, izzyknows said:

Little tip, don't test any mod in prewar Sanctuary.  The game isn't fully loaded until leaving the vault, and will give false positives/negatives.  Sometimes it kinda works, but a very bad habit to get into.

Make a pure vanilla save after leaving the vault and moving off the vault door. (or download a vanilla save Like Ms. Vault111) And use that save for testing mods.

Good to know ty... I did already have some doubts as my female character did not display her tattoos.

[cmdrtomalak]

14 hours ago, twistedtrebla said:

@FO4Life @cmdrtomalak Uploaded a new version 2.5.6 that I believe should fix your issues. The known root cause is right now believed to be explained in post right above, introduced in 2.5.2

 

I just get the time to test it, and I can confirm that the version 2.5.6 fixed the problem. The orientation selection box appears as normal in a new game and i didn't encounter any problem loading my existing save (also with the lastest version of Sexual Harrasment installed).

[jarno5]

Could we perhaps get a Clear Belly morph button function under Debug?
Mine got stuck twice now (think it happend whenever i switched presets when morphs where still present)

The command cqf FPA_Main RemoveMorphBelly does the trick.
Would be a QOL thing to have it as a clickable option in MCM

[Slorm]

The new dynamic arousal feature is brilliant, though I agree with @rubber_duck that the orgasm popup would be best removed. Not a biggie but I find it interrupts the flow and just the sound would work just as well.