SexLab SE - Sex Animation Framework v1.66b - 01/18/2024

[zarantha]

2 minutes ago, liars_paradox said:

@zarantha and, again, not trying to be a dick.  But, I felt like going into that much detail because you might come back and say, "I told you to download the files form <X date>", when I'm downloading this from Steam DB: 

20 November 2019 – 21:45:02 UTC

2 years ago

2289561010626853674

 

So, I can't help you with the depo downloader. I haven't touched it. And looks like the file timestamp thing may have been either the way I did it before, on previous versions or I misremembered (also possible). You are right and it doesn't seem to be working that way on this version/now.

 

But if you are getting an SKSE error that your game is a newer version, then regardless of what the timestamp is, you ARE on the AE version trying to use the SE SKSE (2.0.20). That just won't work.

 

But another way to check would be to right click on the EXE and select 'Properties'. Click the 'Details' tab and look at the product version.

 

AE:

 

SE:

 

How I downgraded:

Spoiler

Best of both worlds patcher:

 

Start the patcher, I had to point it to my steam install folder.

 

Click start patching, wait a few seconds, Done!

 

Output should be read from bottom to top.

 

Finished Patching, enjoy your game!
File patched
File verifed, writing file
Verifying file
Downloading Patch File 000b915dab7cc93d_0d928c026b1c733d
Pre-check passed, patching file
Patching Data\Skyrim - Interface.bsa
File patched
File verifed, writing file
Verifying file
Downloading Patch File 5589f93f4e6dfd63_f223d7d5d86fefe1
Pre-check passed, patching file
Patching SkyrimSE.exe
File patched
File verifed, writing file
Verifying file
Downloading Patch File d1b85cf30d1a7552_1595e8bf1a7c957d
Pre-check passed, patching file
Patching binkw64.dll
Running instructions
Header matches, loading offsets
Checking for magic header in E:\MO2 Skyrim\mods\Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Downgrade Patcher\BestOfBothWorldsPatcher.exe-57618-1-5-1637039481.exe
Looking for Skyrim Special Edition

 

[zarantha]

15 minutes ago, liars_paradox said:

And, this is why I didn't want to go through the process of downloading these files again.  Granted, my internet connection isn't the fastest, the Core and Disk files are likely very big.  

 

In the time I wrote my reply, I upgraded to AE, took the screenshot of the properties and then reverted back to SE, took the other screenshot.

 

I never said redownload using depo downloader, the patcher is a hell of a lot faster, and probably more reliable if you're having problems and have a slow internet. but it can't fix it if you've deleted files, so you may be stuck until that finishes now.

[liars_paradox]

15 minutes ago, Elsidia said:

I set in steam Skyrim SE download updates only when start game, i have full backup of Skyrim SE folder with all mods, i start steam only in offline mode.

 

Lucky me.

 

Good gift from Bethesda)

I haven't played this game in a while.  So, I didn't remember how much of a pain it was for Steam to out-of-nowhere update.  Nor, did I anticipate that they would be coming out with another update this late.  

Edited November 19, 2021 by liars_paradox

[liars_paradox]

9 minutes ago, zarantha said:

 

In the time I wrote my reply, I upgraded to AE, took the screenshot of the properties and then reverted back to SE, took the other screenshot.

 

I never said redownload using depo downloader, the patcher is a hell of a lot faster, and probably more reliable if you're having problems and have a slow internet. but it can't fix it if you've deleted files, so you may be stuck until that finishes now.

@4nk8r was the one who said that they downloaded from SteamDB.  But, I don't know what I was doing wrong with that one.

I could just reinstall from Steam.  It's a hell of a lot faster than DepotDownloader.  I have the patcher on my PC, but I want to make another attempt at following this to make sure that I didn't do anything wrong. The patcher seems a little sus to me.

Edited November 19, 2021 by liars_paradox

[zarantha]

2 minutes ago, liars_paradox said:

I could just reinstall from Steam.  It's a hell of a lot faster than DepotDownloader.  I have the patcher on my PC, but I want to make another attempt at following this to make sure that I didn't do anything wrong. The patcher seems a little sus to me.

 

My AV didn't find anything wrong with it, but I can respect that. In this case though, I'm gonna say that this is just about idiot proof, and I appreciate that in something like this.

 

I was reverting manually (I do have the files saved from pre release too), but between forgetting where I left off and trying to swap between the two games to test some things out, I was making a mess. This just works well for me.

[liars_paradox]

32 minutes ago, zarantha said:

 

So, I can't help you with the depo downloader. I haven't touched it. And looks like the file timestamp thing may have been either the way I did it before, on previous versions or I misremembered (also possible). You are right and it doesn't seem to be working that way on this version/now.

 

But if you are getting an SKSE error that your game is a newer version, then regardless of what the timestamp is, you ARE on the AE version trying to use the SE SKSE (2.0.20). That just won't work.

 

But another way to check would be to right click on the EXE and select 'Properties'. Click the 'Details' tab and look at the product version.

 

AE:

 

SE:

 

How I downgraded:

  Reveal hidden contents

Best of both worlds patcher:

 

Start the patcher, I had to point it to my steam install folder.

 

Click start patching, wait a few seconds, Done!

 

Output should be read from bottom to top.

 

Finished Patching, enjoy your game!
File patched
File verifed, writing file
Verifying file
Downloading Patch File 000b915dab7cc93d_0d928c026b1c733d
Pre-check passed, patching file
Patching Data\Skyrim - Interface.bsa
File patched
File verifed, writing file
Verifying file
Downloading Patch File 5589f93f4e6dfd63_f223d7d5d86fefe1
Pre-check passed, patching file
Patching SkyrimSE.exe
File patched
File verifed, writing file
Verifying file
Downloading Patch File d1b85cf30d1a7552_1595e8bf1a7c957d
Pre-check passed, patching file
Patching binkw64.dll
Running instructions
Header matches, loading offsets
Checking for magic header in E:\MO2 Skyrim\mods\Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Downgrade Patcher\BestOfBothWorldsPatcher.exe-57618-1-5-1637039481.exe
Looking for Skyrim Special Edition

 

I didn't see this earlier.  Worst-case scenario, I will try our the Patcher as a last resort.  You might be right about it being idiot-proof, but I wanted to give the first approach one more shot.  If it doesn't work then I will broadcast here in this thread that it didn't work.  

it's documented what versions I'm using, and I shared the 3 commands that I used to download the 2016 Disk, 2019 Core, and 2019 Exe. As a review, I'm downloading these versions and will install them when the download finishes:

 

7 November 2016 – 18:30:32 UTC

5 years ago

7848722008564294070

20 November 2019 – 21:45:02 UTC

2 years ago

8702665189575304780

20 November 2019 – 21:45:02 UTC

2 years ago

2289561010626853674

 

So, if that doesn't work then something is wrong with SteamDB aproach and I will let everyone know that.

Another argument against Patcher is the fact that before that fateful night, when Steam just downloaded and installed in my sleep the AE version, is that I had a working copy of the game that worked 100% fine with my mods.  There's no guessing as to what would happen with the mods if my game's files are all the older version.  

But, as a last resort, if DepotDownloader doesn't work, then I will be sure to let everyone here know.  And, tell everyone that Patcher works.  Conversely, I might also do the same if the DepotDownloader files do work.  And, if I really really want to try AE before SexLabs Framework 1.70 comes out then I might go with Patcher but at least I have the old binaries as a backup.  

UPDATE:
I just got this error, so I have to start over for one of the files (8702665189575304780)

Edited November 19, 2021 by liars_paradox

[PippinTom]

My apologies for interrupting but I can't figure out what all that AE drama and Skyrim (re)installation issues or even ranting about Bethesda policies have to do with current topic which AFAIR is:

 

SexLab Framework SE 1.63 - BETA 9 - August 5th, 2021

 

Aren't there already enough topics dedicated those other kinky kinds of issues?

 

I'm asking because those other topics I can easily ignore, while current one really interests me ...except for all those off-topic injections.

[zarantha]

35 minutes ago, PippinTom said:

My apologies for interrupting but I can't figure out what all that AE drama and Skyrim (re)installation issues or even ranting about Bethesda policies have to do with current topic which AFAIR is:

 

SexLab Framework SE 1.63 - BETA 9 - August 5th, 2021

 

Aren't there already enough topics dedicated those other kinky kinds of issues?

 

I'm asking because those other topics I can easily ignore, while current one really interests me ...except for all those off-topic injections.

 

AE is basically an update to SE with a new name, the CC content included (how much CC you have depends on if you have the free update or bought the bundle with all of the CCs), and an update to the compilier. AE is not a new game in steam, like SE was a new game after LE.

 

If you've been around long enough, then you remember that anytime SE was updated for new CC content, skse broke and had to be updated. AE is basically that, on a slightly larger scale. We are now waiting for skse to update so the rest of the mods with skse plugins can be updated. Anything that doesn't have an skse plugin should "just work™" on AE without having to be converted like most mods do when going from LE to SE.

[liars_paradox]

@4nk8r

 I downloaded everything from SteamDB.  

7 November 2016 – 18:30:32 UTC

5 years ago

7848722008564294070

20 November 2019 – 21:45:02 UTC

2 years ago

8702665189575304780

20 November 2019 – 21:45:02 UTC

2 years ago

2289561010626853674

And, it still gives me the same errors:

1. SKSE Can't be found, or it's too old
2. SOS can't be installed
3. Saved Games crash to desktop
4. New Games give me problems with SKSE and SOS

These are the errors that I get in Papyrus right before it dies (at least it's writing to the logs again!):

 

Quote

[11/19/2021 - 08:34:36AM] Error: Method RegisterForModEvent not found on Racemenu. Aborting call and returning None
stack:
	[RaceMenu (6E000800)].Racemenu.RegisterEvents() - "RaceMenuBase.psc" Line 153
	[RaceMenu (6E000800)].Racemenu.OnStartUp() - "RaceMenuBase.psc" Line 160
	[RaceMenu (6E000800)].Racemenu.OnGameReload() - "RaceMenuBase.psc" Line 127
	[alias Player on quest RaceMenu (6E000800)].RaceMenuLoad.OnPlayerLoadGame() - "RaceMenuLoad.psc" Line 4
[11/19/2021 - 08:34:36AM] Error: Method RegisterForModEvent not found on Racemenu. Aborting call and returning None
stack:
	[RaceMenu (6E000800)].Racemenu.RegisterEvents() - "RaceMenuBase.psc" Line 154
	[RaceMenu (6E000800)].Racemenu.OnStartUp() - "RaceMenuBase.psc" Line 160
	[RaceMenu (6E000800)].Racemenu.OnGameReload() - "RaceMenuBase.psc" Line 127
	[alias Player on quest RaceMenu (6E000800)].RaceMenuLoad.OnPlayerLoadGame() - "RaceMenuLoad.psc" Line 4
[11/19/2021 - 08:34:36AM] Error: Method RegisterForModEvent not found on Racemenu. Aborting call and returning None
stack:
	[RaceMenu (6E000800)].Racemenu.RegisterEvents() - "RaceMenuBase.psc" Line 155
	[RaceMenu (6E000800)].Racemenu.OnStartUp() - "RaceMenuBase.psc" Line 160
	[RaceMenu (6E000800)].Racemenu.OnGameReload() - "RaceMenuBase.psc" Line 127
	[alias Player on quest RaceMenu (6E000800)].RaceMenuLoad.OnPlayerLoadGame() - "RaceMenuLoad.psc" Line 4
[11/19/2021 - 08:34:36AM] Error: Method RegisterForModEvent not found on Racemenu. Aborting call and returning None
stack:
	[RaceMenu (6E000800)].Racemenu

 

If the following commands are going back to the latest version of Skyrim SE before Anniversary Edition:

 

depotdownloader.exe -app 489830 -depot 489831 -manifest 7848722008564294070 -username <YOUR_STEAM_USERNAME> -dir c:\download
depotdownloader.exe -app 489830 -depot 489832 -manifest 8702665189575304780 -username <YOUR_STEAM_USERNAME> -dir c:\download
depotdownloader.exe -app 489830 -depot 489833 -manifest 2289561010626853674 -username <YOUR_STEAM_USERNAME> -dir c:\download

Then, it should be working for me, and I should have my game back to how it was before this year's update.  But, if it's crashing to the desktop, then it's not the same file. 

I completely emptied my Data folder, as the Nexus tutorial told me. I let Vortex reinstall all of my mods for me, and it's still dying!

Edited November 19, 2021 by liars_paradox

[swmas]

Stop spamming this thread dudes, this is not the "I'm a dumabass and I don't know how to use steam thread".

[liars_paradox]

10 hours ago, zarantha said:

 

AE is an update to SE with a new name, the CC content included (how much CC you have depends on if you have the free update or bought the bundle with all of the CCs), and an update to the compiler. AE is not a new game in steam like SE was a new game after LE.

 

If you've been around long enough, you remember that anytime SE was updated for new CC content, skse broke and had to be updated. AE is that, on a slightly larger scale. We are now waiting for skse to update so the rest of the mods with skse plugins can be edited. Anything that doesn't have a skse plugin should "just work™" on AE without having to be converted like most mods do when going from LE to SE.

@PippinTom, SKSE has been updated to a preliminary version.  Many things are still not working, though.  SexLabs Framework needs to be updated to the AE version of SKSE 64 (version 2.1.2+) and many mods built on top of SexLabs Frameworks.  
Anyways, rolling back your game installation to an earlier version is a real pain in the ass!  I did everything that the document said. &nbsp; My game seems to be corrupted, and new games still give me errors regarding SKSE not being there, and SOS can't find SKSE 64.  At least I could play the game when I had SKSE 64 2.1.2 and Skyrim AE.  But, I can't play the game with whatever I downloaded from SteamDB.

As a reminder, these are what I downloaded:

7 November 2016 – 18:30:32 UTC

5 years ago

7848722008564294070

20 November 2019 – 21:45:02 UTC

2 years ago

8702665189575304780

20 November 2019 – 21:45:02 UTC

2 years ago

2289561010626853674

And, I can't get them to work.  I want to keep repeating what I did because someone might say that I did something wrong.  Earlier, someone said that I downloaded the AE version from SteamDB, so I restarted the download process again, and it's still not working.

Edited November 19, 2021 by liars_paradox

[liars_paradox]

2 hours ago, swmas said:

Stop spamming this thread, dudes; this is not the "I'm a dumabass, and I don't know how to use steam thread."

Sorry.  I will spam the Nexus document instead, then.  But, I did read this thread to help me figure out what to do.  If people keep saying to use SteamDB and it turns out that after the AE upgrade, it's not possible anymore, what's wrong with my saying that so that future people won't go through what I went through? Edit: I suppose it's the "spam" that doesn't add value to them. Most lurkers on this thread are not clueless fucks who don't know how to disable Steam updates. Yet, some people are, like me. And, I came here looking for help. I'm not the first person to do that; I figured that my findings would value someone. 

 

Most people's advice in this thread likely dates back to before AE when using SteamDB was simpler.  But, the AE update does wreck everything and makes it super-difficult to get your game back to where it was.  I figured that writing about my trouble would help someone. 

That's it on my end with the spam, though.  I said enough about this.  I might try the patcher that @zarantha recommended. I might also use Git to back up my game files. I might share a tutorial on how to do that if it works. I've done it before, but I don't recall having satisfactory results. It's usually best to let Vortex install your mods, but it seems to suck when there are many mods all at once. 

Edited November 19, 2021 by liars_paradox

[liars_paradox]

13 hours ago, 4nk8r said:

Sheesh...Welcome to my ignore list

Oh, man!  I am sorry for coming at you with so much anger with the spam and big letters! You're just trying to help. I'm not adding value to others so much by complaining. I really should have taken a vastly different approach to handle this. 

 

I hope that what I shared with the file versions helped someone reading this. Some people will try with a Steam DB approach first because it looks more official than a patcher. Supposedly, you're getting your old executables and vanilla game files back. 

 

But, big letters and even yelling "Yo!" at you a few times (I plan to edit my comments later to sound nicer as that seems like it might be helpful to others) is not beneficial to anyone, even someone lurking. And, I won't talk to anyone here like the again. I'm very sorry. 

 

Edit: going back, I see that I posted so much that I missed comments like this one. I might delete a few and combine words into one to make easier to read. 

Edited November 19, 2021 by liars_paradox

[Guest]

I was wondering, if i did something wrong with my current install. Every time i start or load the game, Sexlab seems to be reset (or forgets). Like i have to check mark again features or the animation i wanted and the ones i do not. I run the downgraded Skyrim SE as i did not had a copy from before and running the last release of Sexlab. The Sexlabutil.log shows no error and Sexlab is at the bottom of the mod load order.

Thanks

 

p.s. maybe i put in the wrong order. Not sure.

Edited November 19, 2021 by wutpickel

[liars_paradox]

20 minutes ago, wutpickel said:

I was wondering, if i did something wrong with my current install. Every time i start or load the game, Sexlab seems to be reset (or forgets). Like i have to check mark again features or the animation i wanted and the ones i do not. I run the downgraded Skyrim SE as i did not had a copy from before and running the last release of Sexlab. The Sexlabutil.log shows no error and Sexlab is at the bottom of the mod load order.

Thanks

 

p.s. maybe i put in the wrong order. Not sure.

Papyrus should come before SexLabs Framework. Actually, all 3 should be in reverse order. For you SexLabs is actually at the top of the load order

Edited November 19, 2021 by liars_paradox

[Guest]

44 minutes ago, liars_paradox said:

Papyrus should come before SexLabs Framework. Actually, all 3 should be in reverse order. For you SexLabs is actually at the top of the load order

Ah, thanks. Then i got it backwards. I did see that Papyrus was overwriting Sexlab but to be honest, i wasn't sure. This should then solve my problem. I hope

 

The check boxes are fine for the setup. But what seems to not work is the animation. What i mean by that is, that if i select aggressive animation in the filter, after a restart or reload, everything will be checked again. Now i am not sure if thats the way it should be or if there is another way to disable other animations entirely. I just do not want all animations on.

Edited November 19, 2021 by wutpickel

[liars_paradox]

On 11/15/2021 at 4:20 AM, Vyxenne said:

Are you sure of this? I was on Windows 7 four years ago the first time I reverted my SSE game (from 1.5.24 back to 1.5.16) using the Depot and Manifest IDs in the Steam Console- the same as I would do it today on my Windows 10 machine if I hadn't been blocking updates for the past four years.

Steam DB works independently of your operating system. It's just a place where they host all of the backup executable and vanilla game files. But, they are legit in that they are Steam-compliant user Steam's API to confirm if you should be allowed to access those files. The catch is that those files appear to be hosted on their servers and you can notice how much slower downloading from them is compared to installing using Steam. 

 

The challenge with AE is that you have to delete your Data folder. If you don't have a backup of that, then you might be out of luck. 

I deleted the Data folder and downloaded Core, Disk, and Exe, and allowed Vortex to reinstall everything. But, I think that Vortex doesn't do a great job of that. 

 

As crazy as the thought is, I have a backup of the AE data folder and use Git to keep track of file changes. Vortex has a panic attack if it sees that files were updated outside of it. But, I might be better off trying to use Git to rever to an earlier version of the Data folder, but I would lose some of the mod changes that were working 100% fine since my last commit. 

 

Also, Git wasn't designed to be used like this, but you can always tell Vortex's changes. And, I have backed up my Data folder using Git before. But, it's not a recommended approach. It's just that Vortex doesn't seem to handle mass deployments well. It will tell you something is installed when it's not, and I noticed that it only does this if you try to install multiple mods in parallel. Like, it's probably using multi-threading for mass deployments, but it's eating up disk I/O errors and isn't handling them. So, you, as a user, are left uninformed if a mod installation failed, and it just acts like it did its job when it didn't. 

 

And, you can use Git or IDE's that work with Git to reset only specific files selectively. So, I could `git rm <some AE file>` for the AE files and only `git reset HEAD --hard -- <vanilla SE file>.`  

 

 

Edited November 19, 2021 by liars_paradox

[tasairis]

43 minutes ago, wutpickel said:

Ah, thanks. Then i got it backwards. I did see that Papyrus was overwriting Sexlab but to be honest, i wasn't sure. This should then solve my problem. I hope

 

Actually, having PapyrusUtil overwrite SexLab is correct - except with SexLab beta 9, which includes a more recent version of PapyrusUtil.

 

So what I would do is put SexLab before PapyrusUtil like you had before, then disable PapyrusUtil. At least until it's updated on Nexus.

[Guest]

18 minutes ago, tasairis said:

 

Actually, having PapyrusUtil overwrite SexLab is correct - except with SexLab beta 9, which includes a more recent version of PapyrusUtil.

 

So what I would do is put SexLab before PapyrusUtil like you had before, then disable PapyrusUtil. At least until it's updated on Nexus.

Ah, ok. I will do that. I played Skyrim SE a long time ago, but i seem to forget things over time. And mostly, i do not remember my problem with the animation. I really would wish you could save the animation settings so you could just import it.

But let me do that and see what happens.

Thanks

 

p.s. i think i misunderstood the animations. What i did was just a viewer. So i deselected the ones i did not want to see and this works. Of course.

Nothing else to report. I did move Sexlab below Papyrus. No issues.

Thanks again

Edited November 19, 2021 by wutpickel

[liars_paradox]

30 minutes ago, tasairis said:

 

Actually, having PapyrusUtil overwrite SexLab is correct - except with SexLab beta 9, which includes a more recent version of PapyrusUtil.

 

So what I would do is put SexLab before PapyrusUtil like you had before, then disable PapyrusUtil. At least until it's updated on Nexus.

I think that I read that same advice early on, but I think that I had PapyrusUtil before SexLabs. And, I don't see why you wouldn't want that. Isn't SexLabs using PapyrusUtil?  How can SexLabs be using a newer version of Papyrus?  Don't you need PapyrusUtil to log everything?  

[liars_paradox]

On 11/16/2021 at 12:47 AM, HardRaine said:

Steam got rid of the older SE manifests, making version fallback unavailable now, so if anybody gets snakebitten by this little AE dustup...

 

I want to point out that SteamDB still has these. I already documented what I did. It's running, but it crashes, and I still see errors regarding SOS and other similar problems. 

 

I'm still thinking of using Git after work, but I'm not sure if documenting that is value-adding to this forum because most people don't know what Git is. And, Git was designed for source code and not binaries. But, Vortex does a less than perfect job of mass installing things. 

[fred200]

9 minutes ago, liars_paradox said:

I think that I read that same advice early on, but I think that I had PapyrusUtil before SexLabs. And, I don't see why you wouldn't want that. Isn't SexLabs using PapyrusUtil?  How can SexLabs be using a newer version of Papyrus?  Don't you need PapyrusUtil to log everything?  

 

Sexlab includes a copy of PapyrusUtil.

Except for an unfortunate year when the Sexlab version was bugged, you should never override it with PapyrusUtil.

Just disable / delete PapyrusUtil in your load order.  Revisit it if new functions are added / fixed.

 

[4nk8r]

59 minutes ago, liars_paradox said:

I want to point out that SteamDB still has these. I already documented what I did. It's running, but it crashes, and I still see errors regarding SOS and other similar problems. 

 

I'm still thinking of using Git after work, but I'm not sure if documenting that is value-adding to this forum because most people don't know what Git is. And, Git was designed for source code and not binaries. But, Vortex does a less than perfect job of mass installing things. 

As @fred200 pointed out, PapyrusUtils comes with Sexlab, but more importantly Sexlab is the original source of PapyrusUtils.  Other mods started using it as well because it is a useful library, but this is its birthplace.

 

Also, stop posting nonsense about the Steam manifests and SteamDB content.  SteamDB is not Steam, not the Steam Console, nor even a Valve product in general.  SteamDB is just a 3rd-party (meaning NOT from/by Valve/Steam) online database of the Steam game library.

 

It seems quite clear from community feedback that Valve/Steam (not SteamDB) have added blocks/limitations to the Steam Console for retrieving previous manifests, at least for Skyrim SE.  Since these same manifests are still accessible via DepotDownloader, that should indicate to you that Steam has not, in fact, deleted those manifests...either that or someone is maintaining additional illegal download servers.  Go use DepotDownloader while it still works and stop whining about this.

 

Your enduser experience with all of this is not typical.  You've messed up somewhere and jacked your game all to hell.  Any savegames created post tinkering/update on your part should be considered tainted and beyond repair.

[Vyxenne]

4 hours ago, wutpickel said:

4 hours ago, tasairis said:

So what I would do is put SexLab before PapyrusUtil like you had before, then disable PapyrusUtil

 I did move Sexlab below Papyrus. No issues.

[tasairis]

13 minutes ago, Vyxenne said:

 

I mean that works too, so...