Devious Followers (8 June 2019)

[Lupine00]

The tricky part of the auto vending is (obviously?) the management of what gets sold. It probably needs a whitelist of "ok to sell" items in each category, so your one-of-a-kind quest reward items don't get vended.

 

The mod currently takes items, but you can get them back, to work around issues where something important gets vended.

It would be good to keep that feature in some form.

 

[Lupine00]

On the topic of gender specific dialog...

 

When I tweaked the dialog before, I made it so that the follower's gender was non-specific, as this is highly likely to vary, but assumed a female PC.

 

I offered to make a male PC oriented version, but the only person interested said he would do his own, so I didn't do that...

 

At least I think that's what was said.

 

If people want a version with male oriented dialog, I could surely make one.

 

If people want a version with gender specific dialog for different genders of follower, then Lozeak would need to do a ton of work to replicate all the dialog with gender conditions on. Probably not even a good idea, even if he had time to do it.

[Reesewow]

5 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

If people want a version with gender specific dialog for different genders of follower, then Lozeak would need to do a ton of work to replicate all the dialog with gender conditions on. Probably not even a good idea, even if he had time to do it.

IMO the amount of work required to make this a thing wouldn't be worth the effect you'd get from it - especially since people's idea of a "dominant" male or female follower would talk like in Skyrim could be wildly different.

 

I think the approach of wait to see if there is demand would work best for a male PC version, especially if you wouldn't use it yourself.  The dialogue does work better IMO if it isn't trying to be excessively gender neutral, like avoiding describing the PC's anatomy - "fondle your boobs and pussy" for the piercing deal wouldn't exactly have the same effect if it was changed to "fondle your chest and genitals".

[Lozeak]

13 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

The tricky part of the auto vending is (obviously?) the management of what gets sold. It probably needs a whitelist of "ok to sell" items in each category, so your one-of-a-kind quest reward items don't get vended.

Items you should never remove from the character should have the VendorNoSale or SexlabNoStrip keyword.

 

One of a kind items imo should still be sold but the mod needs a system to get them back or make the feature toggleable (I did both with follower taking the items from the player).

I know some players what to keep that OMG it took days to get armor but if your a slave or at risk (should be noticable) maybe they need to put that armor in a safe place until they are safe to carry it again.

 

If i have to make a whitelist for something (I haven't yet) I will probably won't make it this is because if a another mod adds something they should have the keywords that they "should have" based off the game keyword system/DD keyword system.

 

@Clockwinding thank you for giving support. Still no idea why you lose dialog ><.

 

====On male PC stuff.====

 

I'll add more male support over time. Once I get the mod to a less I'm adding TONS all the time it will be easier to add the things needed.

 

Now some content might not work with male characters and that is something I don't care about. Like the peicing deal @ stage 3  messages don't fit (I will eventually add male messages) but in the next version you could set the stage to cap at stage 2  and only enable the deal that fit well.

 

But in general, I will add the content I want. Then add male support over time but if it's not possible /shrug. 

 

The way i make the mod it's very customizable so making stuff that won't work for some people doesn't matter as long as I make sure it can be turnt off.

 

o yea someone will need to rewrite all the male dialog I put in cause well it's near impossible to write it creatively.

 

=======Progress Update============

 

Denial deal - done

Deal MCM - done (needs tiding)

Alternate Slut deal - done

Bugs fixed - hahaha, I'll need people to find them all first >< 

New thing - 10% done

 

 

I'm adding a new feature (nothing huge) and it will break games with certain mods (so will be off by default) but something a little fun (it isn't a mode or anything either) more of a thing to make the player feel like a slave :). 

 

I want to release it all tonight so I can play skyrim again.

 

What won't be in this update (just to clear confusion)

Debt per day- Related to deals

Slut deal- Adding faction to NPC

 

[Lozeak]

..... just made my self sick lol

 

Running round in circles waiting for a dialog to appear .... motion sickness.... never had that from a game outside of VR ><

[CGi]

33 minutes ago, Lozeak said:

..... just made my self sick lol

 

Running round in circles waiting for a dialog to appear .... motion sickness.... never had that from a game outside of VR ><

You have the weirdest hobbies.

[Clockwinding]

@Lozeak i've started a new playthrough (on a brand new save to make sure, not on the classic " LAL cell save"), i'll look carefully at what i'm doing when i lose the dialogue (when it happens...).

All i can say is it's pretty random : when reloading a save just before the problem occurs, it can then happen again or not happen at all. so no reliable reproductibility.

[Fenroo]

3 hours ago, Lozeak said:

Denial deal - done

Can't wait to try it! ?

[Reesewow]

4 hours ago, Lozeak said:

Denial deal - done

Deal MCM - done (needs tiding)

Alternate Slut deal - done

Bugs fixed - hahaha, I'll need people to find them all first >< 

Orgasm denial isn't really my thing, but obviously it is something a bunch of people are looking forward to - really want to try it tho as it sounds like it is a complex deal that links up with the other deals and may be super interesting to try out.

 

If the new Slut deal is the "progressive" corruption style thing you were describing earlier however, that is totally my jam and will definitely swap the Slut deal to use that version if possible.

 

As for bugs, can of bug spray ready to go. 

[Lozeak]

2 hours ago, Reesewow said:

If the new Slut deal is the "progressive" corruption style thing you were describing earlier however, that is totally my jam and will definitely swap the Slut deal to use that version if possible.

 

It's not that will take a lot of work. The new Slut deal is very simple basically it's an alternate to tied hands so don't expect much. I like it though

[Nazzzgul666]

3 hours ago, Reesewow said:

Orgasm denial isn't really my thing, but obviously it is something a bunch of people are looking forward to - really want to try it tho as it sounds like it is a complex deal that links up with the other deals and may be super interesting to try out.

 

If the new Slut deal is the "progressive" corruption style thing you were describing earlier however, that is totally my jam and will definitely swap the Slut deal to use that version if possible.

 

As for bugs, can of bug spray ready to go. 

I think for this mod it's rather gameplay (having high arousal can cause some consequences, depending on other mods/settings) than satisfing this fetish, which i admit i slightly share^^

But the only that really offers that so far is SL seperate orgasm, which changes sexlab scripts... i'm not a big fan of needing patches for every SL mod reacting to orgasms, though. My fetish here isn't strong enough to bear the consequences.

[eulexia]

@Lozeak

 

I'm finding a ton more typos--I'd be happy to volunteer to copyedit.  I can either post comments, or I can fire up TES5Edit and go through and post a revised version, or however you'd prefer, assuming this would be helpful.  

 

No obligation or anything, I just would be happy to help out.  

[Lozeak]

2 hours ago, eulexia said:

I'm finding a ton more typos--I'd be happy to volunteer to copyedit.  I can either post comments, or I can fire up TES5Edit and go through and post a revised version, or however you'd prefer, assuming this would be helpful.  

 

No obligation or anything, I just would be happy to help out.

 

If you send me the edited esp I can put corrections into the mod. Feel free to put your own touches to the dialog and stuff. I will use em. Lupine00 will likly rewrite a lot too so some changes may be lost but any help with the writing i can get will be awesome!

 

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Update..... bug fixes and tweaks for the next few days.

 

The new  Chasity, does not work off sexlab aroused and it presume the only way the player will orgasm is via the follower when they win !

Now it's out try it out and ask for tweaks/suggestions to improve it I haven't been able to playtest it too much (outside of it being terrible odds for the player). i think it needs something to detect peircings event and maybe plug events, it doesn't use a plug but It would be worked into it at some point.

 

Selling the player on.... i expect games to break with this but it seemed too fun to not try and add. It also trys to make regular NPC your follower meaning if you have too many deal your Overbuffed follower could be replaced by a weak traveller, o dear!

 

Either way, there is so much to test it would be near impossible for me to do alone so feedback is needed.

 

Edit: needless to say NEW GAME or CLEAN SAVE needed.

[Fenroo]

12 minutes ago, Lozeak said:

The new  Chasity

Downloaded and testing already!

 

I'm not seeing how to enable the new chastity deal, what am I missing?

[Fenroo]

OK, Issue.

 

The piercings the follow puts on you are shock piercings, which lower arousal. I still don't know how to get to the chastity deal, but the shock piercings are counterproductive to it. 

[Lozeak]

44 minutes ago, Fenroo said:

Downloaded and testing already!

 

I'm not seeing how to enable the new chastity deal, what am I missing?

 

22 minutes ago, Fenroo said:

OK, Issue.

 

The piercings the follow puts on you are shock piercings, which lower arousal. I still don't know how to get to the chastity deal, but the shock piercings are counterproductive to it. 

 

make sure you have a new game and should see the toggle in the MCM for it. 

It is not a stage 4 deal so if you get the other Chasity deal it will not activate. 

It does not work off Sexlab arousal it works off it's own system.... which is broken (fixing now)

[Fenroo]

13 minutes ago, Lozeak said:

 

 

make sure you have a new game and should see the toggle in the MCM for it. 

It is not a stage 4 deal so if you get the other Chasity deal it will not activate. 

It does not work off Sexlab arousal it works off it's own system.... which is broken (fixing now)

I see it in the MCM. But if I try to make very possible deal with a follower, that deal never shows up. 

[Lozeak]

1 hour ago, Fenroo said:

I see it in the MCM. But if I try to make very possible deal with a follower, that deal never shows up. 

 

I did test again and it still works (not saying I didn't miss a script or something missed a script or something).

 

just to be sure. Make sure you have a Clean save/New game + Cuff collar and belt = 3 and Denial Deal toggle is on.

 

I did test on a new game because the mod has been reworked heavily to allow the deal customisation.

 

100% have to use 1.701 too if you want the deal to actually progress from more than just dialog

[Fenroo]

Ok, downloaded latest version. I'll give it a go with a fresh save tomorrow ?

[Lozeak]

Finally, got to bed !

 

Man this update took a lot of work (20-30hrs lol) and it's still need a ton of tweaks/polish >.<.

 

Needless to say, break time again (prolly for like a week or so). I would like to rework the device removal system to work with Block Generic stuff but that won't be tomorrow. Have a one more day off gonna use that to go outside/play skyrim/Overwatch.

 

I will bug fix and stuff like I always do  

 

Mod has a lot of stage 3 outcomes 8 ^^ (7 I'm happy with)

 

Whats next....

Device removal tweak so you can remove generic DDs when wearing Block Generic/Quest items.

Deal 6 (This is the deal I have the most constructed idea for)

Compatibility tweaks (I really need to make a system for adding and removing followers that is compatible with EEF or ATF or w/e it's called)

 

What's left for 2.0

Main stuff.....

Plug Deal V2 (very likely be animal themed)

Slut Deal V1 + Memory system

Deal 6 V2

Piercing Deal V2

MCM Random Deal select !

A problem with the games quest script (messes up dialog timer)

 

Gameplay tweaks.....

Maybe forced deal mode. (even though endless is that)

Willpower/Resistance rework..... Add 2 more systems to this..... a Chance system and Slower system.. maybe

 

Other.....

As time goes on I usually get the odd idea or suggestion I think that will make the mod awesome.

 

Once all that is done dialogue corrections/fix/alteration/male version will be the focus for a while (will get others to help with this ^^)

[Nazzzgul666]

8 hours ago, Lozeak said:

i think it needs something to detect peircings event and maybe plug events, it doesn't use a plug but It would be worked into it at some point.

 

 

I think it wasn't DDi itself but either Cursed Loot or Captured Dreams that adds a plug that vibrates often, and always stops before orgasm. No idea how difficult it would be to rebuild this, but i think if you switch any plugs with one of those that would make it more fun.

Not sure why it's necessary to replace SL aroused with your own system, you know you could lock arousal at 100? 

[Lozeak]

3 hours ago, Nazzzgul666 said:

Not sure why it's necessary to replace SL aroused with your own system, you know you could lock arousal at 100? 

 

Because I don't like the system, to the point if I made denial content I would have to rebuild/ignore it.

I mean your telling me to LOCK the system at 100 ... which means it doesn't work.

 

I'll explain a bit....

The quick version is It goes to 100 well too easily.

Which means it just feels like 100 = aroused or your not aroused .... and I feel that making content based off that is annoying so you've been in a belt for 1 day you have 100 Arousal day 2 100 arousal...... day 3 100 arousal..... it communicates nothing to the player outside they want to have sex not how much they want to have sex.

 

I could explain more but basically if you had a soft cap which slowly raised based off lack of exposure then I'd use it (so for example day 1 = 50, day 2 = 60, day 3 = 70)

 

So I have made a system that inform you daily by the dialog choices you are offered my the follower to communicate to the player how much the player is being denied.

 

 

[CGi]

52 minutes ago, Lozeak said:

 

Because I don't like the system, to the point if I made denial content I would have to rebuild/ignore it.

I mean your telling me to LOCK the system at 100 ... which means it doesn't work.

 

I'll explain a bit....

The quick version is It goes to 100 well too easily.

Which means it just feels like 100 = aroused or your not aroused .... and I feel that making content based off that is annoying so you've been in a belt for 1 day you have 100 Arousal day 2 100 arousal...... day 3 100 arousal..... it communicates nothing to the player outside they want to have sex not how much they want to have sex.

 

I could explain more but basically if you had a soft cap which slowly raised based off lack of exposure then I'd use it (so for example day 1 = 50, day 2 = 60, day 3 = 70)

 

So I have made a system that inform you daily by the dialog choices you are offered my the follower to communicate to the player how much the player is being denied.

But this way it's up to the player how fast arousal increases when using SL Aroused since it's settings can easily be altered in it's MCM and DF's arousal denier would then easier integrate with other mods that use SL:A's mechanics.

 

You might even add a function to the MCM to change SL:A's settings to ones that work better with DF and what you have in mind.

 

if you need modifiers SL:A doesn't provide then DF can deliver those and manipulate SL:A's values based on them.

[Kalthen]

Thanks CGI, you are really quick... amazing! Just did the clean save and was hoping to start once the installer version got out. Et voilà... cheers!

[CGi]

Just now, Kalthen said:

Thanks CGI, you are really quick... amazing! Just did the clean save and was hoping to start once the installer version got out. Et voilà... cheers!

Thanks but i actually took longer than i thought.

No release without german translation. ☺️

DF managed to breach 1100 translateable strings in the plugin alone, so sadly most translators won't even touch it anymore since for most 300-500 strings is the max.
And then there's the SKSE translation file with over 380 additional strings. Good thing i jumped onto it early. ^^