Devious Followers (8 June 2019)

[Lupine00]

9 hours ago, gurdilhfkk said:

I need a bit of help.

 

Previous version was working fine, and i tried the last one. But the message to have a devious follower does not show up. When i force the dialog in the debug menu, i have 2 similar dialog " Debug : add this personn as follower and make them your devious follower" and "Debug : make the follower yout devious follower and set debt to 0"

 

But whatever i chose, nothing happen, i have the answer "..... it will be fun ... for me at last" and thats all. the specific dialog of devious followers never come ("how is my debt ... etc" ). If i try to add 1000 debt with debug menu, or wait 24h, same thing. there is no pop up message in the screen corner "yout follower added debt..." I tried to reset the mod (debug menu), it didnt work.

Are you running 2.02a without EFF?

 

If so, you need the hotfix for it, or update to 2.02b, or install EFF.

 

However, if you had a broken 2.02a episode, you can't just update or hotfix over it without starting a new game - or using a save cleaner to strip the old DF scripts.

The broken scripts in 2.02a cause the script to fail during start up, and it doesn't init properly.

 

A new game is probably the best way forward after fixing.

 

 

If you're on 2.02b, then I don't know what is up, but I don't know for sure that 2.02b fixed the problems in a, as I'm still using hotfixed a.

[VampireAllana]

Wish there was  'lit" version of this lol I want to have my cake an eat it too lol. Even with everything set to super super easy and having the mod paused I find it next to impossible to just play the game. I love the sex mods but i still love the base game so sadly until there is a "lit" version sadly cant use it anymore

[jonsnuww]

1 hour ago, VampireAllana said:

Wish there was  'lit" version of this lol I want to have my cake an eat it too lol. Even with everything set to super super easy and having the mod paused I find it next to impossible to just play the game. I love the sex mods but i still love the base game so sadly until there is a "lit" version sadly cant use it anymore

You can make it easier by setting a fixed amount of money to pay every day and cheating money which you'll only use for the follower.

I personally dont do this, just an idea

[Lupine00]

9 hours ago, VampireAllana said:

Wish there was  'lit" version of this lol I want to have my cake an eat it too lol. Even with everything set to super super easy and having the mod paused I find it next to impossible to just play the game. I love the sex mods but i still love the base game so sadly until there is a "lit" version sadly cant use it anymore

Could you explain what exactly is causing you a problem?

 

I have no idea how to translate a term as supremely vague as "lit" into a description of how you believe DF mechanics should be modified.

Should we set them on fire? Or perhaps smoke a huge amount of drugs before playing? I'm at a loss.

 

How exactly does DF stop you playing the game when it is paused?

 

That would be ... impossible ... basically, as it doesn't do anything when it's paused, apart from provide an MCM you can open to unpause it.

 

Are you sure you're posting on the right forum, and your problems - whatever they are - are not from some completely different mod?

[Balgin]

3 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

I have no idea how to translate a term as supremely vague as "lit" into a description of how you believe DF mechanics should be modified.

Should we set them on fire? Or perhaps smoke a huge amount of drugs before playing? I'm at a loss.

Perhaps put candles around the computer screen. Or maybe just turn a light on.

[Lupine00]

Might be a couple of conflicts with deals:

 

1) first I got a "follower rips your clothes off" deal

2) then I got a whore armor deal - follower constantly rips off the whore armor

3) then I complained I was cold, and was put in the rubber suit

4) follower drops into a loop of adding debt because I'm not wearing the whore armor

 

a) deal optimisation shouldn't give whore armor if already at rip off clothes

b) rip off clothes deal should always follow whore armor, not precede (because naked is worse than armored)

c) follower should consider the rubber suit for warmth (or any other lockable suit) as equivalent to whore armor for the purpose of the armor deal

 

(c) would particularly help de-conflict various situations.

 

Another lingering issue is I no longer know what any of my deals are, because I can't get a deal report from the follower.

The only way to verify my deals is save, then trial and error.

[aspirine2]

amusing mod ...but what exactly should happen after the pc get dumped into the sightless pit full of falmers ...when i use console commands or debug option game save somehow get ctds....???  any briefing here ??

[Harry Smackmeat]

12 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

3) then I complained I was cold, and was put in the rubber suit

Okay, Is there going to be a way to disable objects that break immersion?  This is exactly why I can't stand DD. >_>

I prefer not having rubber suits and latex thrown all over a game with vikings and battleaxes and stuff.

[Lupine00]

2 hours ago, Harry Smackmeat said:

Okay, Is there going to be a way to disable objects that break immersion?  This is exactly why I can't stand DD. >_>

I prefer not having rubber suits and latex thrown all over a game with vikings and battleaxes and stuff.

That is exactly the point of Lozeak's item catalog system. You can disable anything you don't like in the json and it won't be equipped.

[Harry Smackmeat]

2 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

That is exactly the point of Lozeak's item catalog system. You can disable anything you don't like in the json and it won't be equipped.

Wat -_-   ♥♥♥♥♥  thx

 

wait I did a bunch of searches and I have no idea what that is

 

Oh well, what the heck I went and downloaded 1.72.  yolo. cheers ? here's to a fun an f'd up adventure.

[gurdilhfkk]

On 5/9/2019 at 12:14 PM, Lupine00 said:

Are you running 2.02a without EFF?

 

If so, you need the hotfix for it, or update to 2.02b, or install EFF.

 

However, if you had a broken 2.02a episode, you can't just update or hotfix over it without starting a new game - or using a save cleaner to strip the old DF scripts.

The broken scripts in 2.02a cause the script to fail during start up, and it doesn't init properly.

 

A new game is probably the best way forward after fixing.

 

 

If you're on 2.02b, then I don't know what is up, but I don't know for sure that 2.02b fixed the problems in a, as I'm still using hotfixed a.

 

Yep that was the problem, i was not using last version. Clean save with resaver worked perfectly.

 

your mod is really good, one of the best with cursed loot, there are really interessing synergy with it. One simple idea of feature : voluntary prostitution, to reduce debt. This should be interessing with gold control feature, as you would not know in real time how much you earn, and it would be perfect with a SLSO integration.

 

anyway thanks you.

[Lupine00]

2 hours ago, Harry Smackmeat said:

wait I did a bunch of searches and I have no idea what that is

 

Oh well, what the heck I went and downloaded 1.72.  yolo. cheers ? here's to a fun an f'd up adventure.

It's in the 2.X versions... He has an aconymn for it LDC ... Lozeak Device Controller.

 

You can find the .json file in SKSE\Plugins\Lozeak Device Controller\Device Settings.json

 

I don't think it gets made until after you've started using the mod and it tries to add a device to the player.

[Harry Smackmeat]

15 minutes ago, Lupine00 said:

It's in the 2.X versions... He has an aconymn for it LDC ... Lozeak Device Controller.

poop   oh well I think I found some settings in DD itself that disable stuff ( stuff that sounds like it would just break my character)

I didnt see anything about no rubber suit tho 0_o  so im guessing its not in 1.72?

[Lupine00]

2 hours ago, Harry Smackmeat said:

I didnt see anything about no rubber suit tho 0_o  so im guessing its not in 1.72?

No. It's not I'm afraid. It was a big new code project he did as a foundation for 2.X

 

However, for the most part, DF lets you use whatever items you like. The follower may give you ones you do not like, but you can swap them for equivalents.

e.g.

Follower gives transparent rubber corset.

You destroy it and console a black leather corset.

Some semblance of immersion is restored.

The follower is perfectly happy with you wearing the different corset, as all it does is check the keywords.

You can probably wear a harness instead too.

 

Not that I find any kind of corset more or less jarring, as corsets in that shape and form are quite different from historical stays, but some feel that rubbery materials and bright colors look extremely out of place with the rest of Skyrim's graphics, and they are entitled to prefer their own taste in that matter.

[aspirine2]

21 hours ago, Zagzaguel said:

I guess youre meaning "lite"

The mod doesnt stop you from playing the game. Even if youre enslaved with an extremly high debt it wont stop you playing the game

 

MCM allows you to make the mod extremly easy to a point where its literally impossible to stack debt automatically (you can set debt increase to 0). So unless you ask your follower for a few million keys and ask him to unlock you from anything you shouldnt have any issues with debt

If your follower asks you do to random stuff (like prostitute yourself) too often, you can change this in the MCM

 

I doubt that this mod is causing the CTD

Last time I tried out what happened I was just locked in a few million restraints in some random dwarven ruin and could walk out.. "normally". No ctd, no nothin. Also saved during the dungeon once. I also doubt that any mod wants to cause a ctd on purpose

used console command to get rid of the follower and the restrains ..!!?

[Lupine00]

18 hours ago, Harry Smackmeat said:

I didnt see anything about no rubber suit tho 0_o  so im guessing its not in 1.72?

Additionally, the rubber suit is only added if you enable the Frostfall help in the MCM.

The suit is provided only on request by your helpful follower if you are feeling chilly.

[eulexia]

Bug report:  When asking the follower what your deals are, if you have the max level piercing deal it doesn't properly process the text, so instead of replacing variables with names it spits out a bunch of code.  

[Balgin]

19 minutes ago, eulexia said:

Bug report:  When asking the follower what your deals are, if you have the max level piercing deal it doesn't properly process the text, so instead of replacing variables with names it spits out a bunch of code.  

It's actually been doing that for the last few versions of the mod. The couple of instances of code it spits out are clearly supposed to be the Follower's name or a he/she/her/his that refers to them.

[Lupine00]

I keep thinking that Gold Control would work nicely as a deal in itself. Then you'd have a reason to enter it "voluntarily".

 

Gold control deal - level 1 = gold cap is 1000

Gold control deal - level 2 = gold cap is 100

Gold control deal - level 3 = gold cap is 90

 

So, if you lose even a little limit in level 2, you can't afford a bed without solicitation, and at level 3, you just can't afford one.

Though Realistic Inn Rental might skew that.

[Lupine00]

The mechanic where you can't disable modular deals if you have a modular deal is problematic.

 

The reason you might want to disable one is because it's going to conflict with something - as I had to disable Whore Armor, due to it causing endless debt-addition when using the rubber outfit for Frostfall warmth. Maybe it needs to be a little more discriminating in what you can't do while you have deals?

 

 

[Lupine00]

The mechanic where you can't disable modular deals if you have a modular deal is problematic.

 

The reason you might want to disable one is because it's going to conflict with something - as I had to disable Whore Armor, due to it causing endless debt-addition when using the rubber outfit for Frostfall warmth. Maybe it needs to be a little more discriminating in what you can't do while you have deals?

 

 

[Lupine00]

The "cheat" where you give your follower keys or money to hold so they can't be stolen, or removed by DCL traps really needs plugging.

 

Why not make it a feature?

 

Key holder deal

Level 1 - follower will release two keys a day

Level 2 - follower will release one key a day

Level 3 - follower holds all keys until you buy out the deal

 

During the deal, any generic DD keys you loot go to the follower - but only generic keys - anything else breaks quests.

Plus, if you hand a follower keys, it immediately signs you up for Level 1 key deal, if you don't have it.

 

For gold control, it's the same. See gold control deal a couple of posts up.

If you hand a follower gold, it immediately signs you up for a Level 1 gold control, if you don't have one.

If you're in gold control and you hand a follower gold, it simply reduces your current gold cap by the amount given  

 

[Lostdreamer]

2 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

The "cheat" where you give your follower keys or money to hold so they can't be stolen, or removed by DCL traps really needs plugging.

This one can be managed via DCL, if you wern't originally aware.

One of the (many) DCL MCM variables is the chance of losing keys when you put them in a container or give them to someone.

 

Presumably for exactly the reasons you mention.

[Zaflis]

3 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

The mechanic where you can't disable modular deals if you have a modular deal is problematic.

 

The reason you might want to disable one is because it's going to conflict with something - as I had to disable Whore Armor, due to it causing endless debt-addition when using the rubber outfit for Frostfall warmth. Maybe it needs to be a little more discriminating in what you can't do while you have deals?

You are allowed to wear no clothing at all when that deal is on, the whore armor is optional. Maybe the rubber outfit you have is not a restraint? Otherwise it sounds like bug. It should count as not-clothing.

[Lyreal]

I have to say that your mod gets better and better, especially since version 2.0.

The potion quest is very nice, I hope you still working on it, it has a lot of potential. ^^

 

Keep up that great work.