B10HAZARD. Posted February 20, 2023 Posted February 20, 2023 3 hours ago, Darkpig said: I remember disagreeing with someone about chivialry still being a thing. Yes I did basically say chivalry is dead. Gone are the days of knights unquestioningly serving their lords. Good riddance! But it turns out I forgot about the LARPers. How could I forget about the LARPers? Turns out that is yet another thing I'm wrong about about Chivalry is dead, reminds me of this =
Darkpig Posted February 20, 2023 Posted February 20, 2023 4 hours ago, B10HAZARD. said: Chivalry is dead, reminds me of this = There is nothing honorable about fighting. Combat is dirty work. So many permanent wounds and injuries can spring up from it. No wonder why people call it a last resort.
27X Posted February 20, 2023 Posted February 20, 2023 (edited) On 2/18/2023 at 2:07 AM, Doctor Cadaver said: Anyone seen the season 3 premiere of Star Trek Picard? Seems to be the best the show has to offer, so far. For starters, Picard and Riker team up to rescue Beverly Crusher. I don't understand how the fuck this works. I don't have nostalgia, so a series with one hour of competent and twenty hours of molten incandescent atmosphere reaching anal queef juice made by people who expressly literally hope that you actually die if you used to like this franchise, and the entire nerdroticsphere has to tell me OMG GO WATCH THIS NOW YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW ORGASMIC BASIC GENERIC COMPETENCE IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! um... naw. Fuck all that. I have better things to do with my time than give people who hate me attention or money. Let that shit die. Edited February 20, 2023 by 27X 4
Darkpig Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 Torches and pitchforks! Buy your torches and pitchforks here! 1
27X Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 4 hours ago, Doctor Cadaver said: LOL. Okay people, you've more than made your points about modern Trek. No need to bring the lynch mob with torches and pitchforks. Save that for another day. I'm dead serious. I don't get it. Makes zero sense. If a pay-for-play company pledges openly that you are the enemy and they literally, in print, on camera wish you would die and neither need nor want your patronage... Why are you bothering to continue to pay attention?
Miauzi Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 Am 20.02.2023 um 00:29 Uhr sagte lucifeh: Startrek ist für Boomer-Mann ... Ich meine, nicht, dass es schlecht ist, alt zu sein, aber das ist nicht der Grund, warum Sie immer noch versuchen, dieses schreckliche Zeug zu mögen ... Ich weiß was du willst... Du möchtest dich wie ZURÜCK IN DEN TAG fühlen, als du jung warst und Startrek-Scheiße gesehen oder gelesen hast, als wäre es WOW, so neu, so anders und du hast es genossen, während du an einem heißen Sommertag eine Cola getrunken hast, Schule war Monate weg und das Einzige, was du hattest, war Zeit, Spaß zu haben, es war so großartig ... Und du dachtest dir, das ist GROSSARTIG! Und es war! Es war die beste Zeit deines Lebens! Und jetzt willst du es dir ansehen und das noch einmal fühlen, aber du hast das NIE wieder gefühlt, es ist der gleiche Grund, warum die Leute als Typ der 30er oder 40er Jahre wieder Retro-Spiele spielen wollen ... Ich verstehe das, weil ich das getan habe! Aber dann ... wurde mir die traurige Wahrheit klar, dass diese GREAT TIMES nicht wiederkommen werden, nur weil ich neue alte Sachen anschaue oder die alten Spiele wiederhole, nur um das wieder zu fühlen, und ich (du, WIR) habe das nicht gefühlt immer wieder ... Weil wir erwachsen geworden sind ... Das ist die Wahrheit ... Ja ... Es ist eine Schande, wir müssen neuen Scheiß bauen, um uns mit unserem Alter zufrieden zu fühlen, anstatt zu versuchen, alten Scheiß noch einmal zu erleben, weil das nicht funktioniert ... Alt zu werden ist großartig, weil man anfängt, die Welt zu verstehen, nicht, dass es immer gut ist, die Welt zu verstehen … Als ob einer dieser Scheiße, die man versteht, erkennt, dass ein Scheiß, den man mochte, nicht daran lag, dass man ihn wirklich mochte, sondern wegen der Zeit deines Lebens, das dir gefallen hat... Es ist traurig, aber gleichzeitig auf eine "erwachsene" Art schön... You really notice -> You are "young" in contrast to me when I watched the first broadcast of the original series with Kirk and company... ...I was 10 years old -> 1972 today it is for me a mixture of trash, cult and still interesting SFI topics that are rarely dealt with to this day. But when I look at Mr. (I fuck every "bride") Kirk today - it scares me more and more - I wish for the emotional control of my absolute favorite -> Mr. Spock --- on the other hand, the "Next Generation" is something completely different... ...that was when my studies ended and I started my job ("vocation"!) as an engineer. and here, too, my relationship with the captain has changed - from a guy who "has a stick up his ass" - to the best thing that has ever sat in that chair on a spaceship bridge. But that is also because - with more and more life experience, I have made a clear change in my perspective. Nostalgia? No - that's almost no reason to watch StarTrek today - on the contrary. But every human being has his own reflection of what this universe means to him then and now.
Guest Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 Star Trek of 1968/69 for me, my brother was a Spock fan, I admired Scott, while Kirk??? Mr. Spock Get me those readings, Mr. Sulu warp us out of here.
B10HAZARD. Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 5 hours ago, caveman74 said: Star Trek of 1968/69 for me, my brother was a Spock fan, I admired Scott, while Kirk??? Mr. Spock Get me those readings, Mr. Sulu warp us out of here. Hahaha. watch this =
Guest Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 (edited) I think I should tell @Doctor Cadaver it's OK that you enjoy the NG, I just gave my personal opinion, for whatever that's worth. Star trek has advanced the Sciences and for that alone it's worth putting up with....... And I like the Original show. Edited February 21, 2023 by caveman74
AKM Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 On 2/20/2023 at 9:39 AM, Darkpig said: I remember disagreeing with someone about chivialry still being a thing. Yes I did basically say chivalry is dead. Gone are the days of knights unquestioningly serving their lords. Good riddance! But it turns out I forgot about the LARPers. How could I forget about the LARPers? Turns out that is yet another thing I'm wrong about about Gotta love when language gets twisted and you're part of the era when something that used to mean 'X' now means 'Y'. As for 'chivalry', I sure would like to start using it in the old sense of the word and see how quickly those who complain about the lack thereof in today's world change their tune.
lucifeh Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 14 hours ago, Miauzi said: You really notice -> You are "young" in contrast to me Oh I was referring to only you, ok.
Miauzi Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 Vor 29 Minuten sagte AKM: Ich muss es lieben, wenn die Sprache verdreht wird und Sie Teil der Ära sind, in der etwas, das früher „X“ bedeutete, jetzt „Y“ bedeutet. Was „Ritterlichkeit“ angeht, würde ich gerne anfangen, es im alten Sinne des Wortes zu verwenden und sehen, wie schnell diejenigen, die sich über deren Mangel in der heutigen Welt beschweren, ihre Melodie ändern. "Chivalry" is a purely abstract concept - which in reality never existed. Yes - it was sung about by "Minne" and homage was paid to him in "pompous" medieval novels in the 19th century... ...but on the battlefield of a war ultimately an ideology of a warrior elite - who had no problem trampling the fields of farmers with their warhorse - stealing their crops or raping their women. "Chivalry" is (for me) -> male, white-skinned and racist because you only have to behave "chivalrously" towards those - whom you consider "equal"... .. these do NOT include -> women, socially inferior or even "foreign" countries. And very quickly one is at the "deconstruction" of the term human - because one has to behave "human" only towards a "human" - everything that is defined as NOT human... From here it is easy to foresee in which direction this had already led... ..why do you think the "chiefs" of the SS (Schutz-Staffel) always had the idea of a "knightly order" in their heads. *sarcasm* 1
steelpanther24 Posted February 22, 2023 Posted February 22, 2023 4 hours ago, Miauzi said: "Chivalry" is (for me) -> male, white-skinned and racist because you only have to behave "chivalrously" towards those - whom you consider "equal"... I suppose when you define it that way for yourself, then we reach a point where the language we use is so different that we can't even begin to communicate. Here is another example of chivalry. Spoiler 1
Miauzi Posted February 22, 2023 Posted February 22, 2023 Vor 6 Minuten sagte steelpanther24: Ich nehme an, wenn Sie es für sich selbst so definieren, erreichen wir einen Punkt, an dem die Sprache, die wir verwenden, so unterschiedlich ist, dass wir nicht einmal anfangen können, uns zu verständigen. Hier ist ein weiteres Beispiel für Ritterlichkeit. Enthüllen Sie versteckte Inhalte a movie as an example... ...a fiction (the story) about a fiction (chivalry) what do I associate with the conquest of Jerusalem by the Crusaders? -> a bloody massacre by the knights with the cross on their chests - which killed around 30,000 Muslims, Jews and CHRISTIANS... ...among them women as well as plenty of children. Yes - we might both use the same alphabet - but very different words... ...but it's probably the thoughts behind it that are completely diametrically opposed to each other.
steelpanther24 Posted February 22, 2023 Posted February 22, 2023 33 minutes ago, Miauzi said: a movie as an example... ...a fiction (the story) about a fiction (chivalry) what do I associate with the conquest of Jerusalem by the Crusaders? -> a bloody massacre by the knights with the cross on their chests - which killed around 30,000 Muslims, Jews and CHRISTIANS... ...among them women as well as plenty of children. Yes - we might both use the same alphabet - but very different words... ...but it's probably the thoughts behind it that are completely diametrically opposed to each other. Ah, it was the idea expressed in that clip, rather than presenting it as proof that chivalry existed or not. History is replete with examples of atrocities committed for, or in the name of anything. Chivalry was more a set of ideas for those to aspire to achieve. To say it was a racist, or exclusively western concept shows a non cosmopolitan world view at the least. Do you find Bushido equally distasteful and just a "myth" or is your revulsion only reserved for Western based societies? Western based codes of Chivalry https://www.historyhit.com/facts-about-medieval-knights-and-chivalry/ Brief history of Chivalry (Pre-Islam Arabia) https://www.ancient-origins.net/history-ancient-traditions/antarah-ibn-shaddad-0016238 Bushido https://www.thoughtco.com/what-is-bushido-195302 https://michaeltfassbender.com/nonfiction/the-world-wars/big-picture/bushido-and-japanese-atrocities-in-world-war-ii/ 2
Miauzi Posted February 22, 2023 Posted February 22, 2023 Vor 3 Minuten sagte steelpanther24: Ah, es war die Idee, die in diesem Clip zum Ausdruck kam, anstatt sie als Beweis dafür zu präsentieren, dass Ritterlichkeit existierte oder nicht. Die Geschichte ist voll von Beispielen für Gräueltaten, die für oder im Namen von irgendetwas begangen wurden. Ritterlichkeit war eher eine Reihe von Ideen, die diejenigen erreichen sollten, die sie erreichen wollten. Zu sagen, es sei ein rassistisches oder ausschließlich westliches Konzept, zeugt zumindest von einer nicht kosmopolitischen Weltanschauung. Finden Sie Bushido ebenso geschmacklos und nur einen „Mythos“ oder ist Ihre Abneigung nur westlichen Gesellschaften vorbehalten? Westliche Ritterkodizes https://www.historyhit.com/facts-about-medieval-knights-and-chivalry/ Kurze Geschichte der Ritterlichkeit (vorislamisches Arabien) https://www.ancient-origins.net/history-ancient-traditions/antarah-ibn-shaddad-0016238 Bushido https://www.thoughtco.com/what-is-bushido-195302 https://michaeltfassbender.com/nonfiction/the-world-wars/big-picture/bushido-and-japanese-atrocities-in-world-war-ii/ aha - that's where the wind is blowing... ...I hear this saying again: "If you don't like it here, go over there" --- About 100 years ago, "Western" societies ruled the entire world - celebrated themselves as glorious colonial masters in shows - how superior they were to other peoples. The only self-reflection I can find to this day is regret at the loss of size and influence... ...there are countries/peoples who no longer ask the "West" how to develop themselves - but also something like that. Yes - this is pure satire - I can't stand the ramblings any other way - this also includes such concepts as "chivalry".
AKM Posted February 22, 2023 Posted February 22, 2023 6 hours ago, Miauzi said: And very quickly one is at the "deconstruction" of the term human - because one has to behave "human" only towards a "human" - everything that is defined as NOT human... And there, you made my point. That's pretty much all warfare, though. 'Us vs them, and only Us are human, them are lowly sub-human savages.' Such mental training goes all the way to modern day warfare, although it's kept rather hush-hush by the military. I disagree with you about chivalry being an abstract concept, however. The little research I've done on the subject points rather clearly to a definite code of conduct; not that many actually followed that code of conduct when the situations requiring it were presented, but that's another matter. The code DID exist.
Guest Posted February 22, 2023 Posted February 22, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, steelpanther24 said: we can't even begin to communicate. 5 hours ago, Miauzi said: a movie as an example... 4 hours ago, AKM said: 'Us vs them, I quote you all... Divide and Conquer. It's the oldest concept out there. When a Medic during war times picks up his fellow soldier and gets killed trying to get them to an aid station, is this not "Chivalrous"? Or does it depend on "Which" war they were in? Edited February 22, 2023 by caveman74
Miauzi Posted February 22, 2023 Posted February 22, 2023 (edited) Vor 1 Stunde sagte caveman74: ich zitiere euch alle... Teile und herrsche. Es ist das älteste Konzept da draußen. Wenn ein Sanitäter während des Krieges seinen Kameraden aufnimmt und bei dem Versuch, ihn zu einer Hilfsstation zu bringen, getötet wird, ist das nicht „ritterlich“? Oder hängt es davon ab, in "welchem" Krieg sie waren? no - that's a trick question - similar to the one the muster officer asked me or later the Stasi officer. You can take it and put it in your butt... ...comes out of the box -> "create a moral dilemma for the other person" and that is definitely -> unchivalrous So -> Question of course not answered ? --- By the way, when I hear the word "comrade" in connection with the army, I get -> nausea Why? Can I answer: In WW II, the Wehrmacht soldiers (and officers) regarded the captured soldiers from France or GB as "comrades" and provided them with sufficient care. The captured soldiers of the Soviet Army were starved - they weren't "comrades" - but members of a race of "sub-humans". Of the 1.5 million soldiers who were captured from the summer of 1941 to the end of 1941 -> more than 1 million were left to starve. Coincidence? - No - on purpose! When preparing for the campaign, one had deliberately NOT prepared for the care of future prisoners - because it was the INTENT to get rid of these "sub-humans" in this way. --- someone wrote something about the Japanese warrior codex... ...well - look at the TV documentaries (or read reports) of WWII veterans who survived captivity by the fascist Japanese. An army that regarded every enemy soldier who surrendered as scum to be destroyed and always held up the "Bushido". --- "Chivalry" is an abstract concept - and only in this form does it exist. When it meets reality - it distorts (as described above) into "absurdity" (or "monstrosity") and later bursts like the proverbial soap bubble ? Edited February 22, 2023 by Miauzi
lucifeh Posted February 22, 2023 Posted February 22, 2023 (edited) Edited February 22, 2023 by lucifeh
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