Paradise Halls - Home Sweet Home (SE/LE)

[lolokono]

On 8/5/2019 at 7:26 PM, Psalam said:

Are you saying that when you tell your slaves in HSH (not AYGAS) "Time to hit the road slave" only about half of them will obey the command? In that case can you give more details? In what home do you have them? How many are there? And how many total HSH slaves and house cell tokens are you now using?

I'm reinstal pah and then some slave start working when I said " Time to hit the road" ,but other still buging then go to exit and disapper at all,they disapper from all menus 

[Psalam]

36 minutes ago, lolokono said:

I'm reinstal pah and then some slave start working when I said " Time to hit the road" ,but other still buging then go to exit and disapper at all,they disapper from all menus 

You may want to upload your load order and a papyrus log. Make certain the papyrus log contains the period when you have your issue with the slave so DON'T stop the game for 30-60 seconds after the issue occurs.

[Psalam]

Due to a positive dearth of slaves showing up to AYGAS auctions I have been going back to the Restless Hunter (RH) in order to try buying slaves and I may have run across what some of the people are complaining about. In the more recent versions I've noticed that all slaves at RH are now entitled "*slave" as opposed to the older designation by race (Nord, Redguard, etc.). No big deal but you've clearly changed something. I have noted two "bugs" with this. The first is that these slaves now get clothing which does not show up in their inventory. In fact, they get auctioned off naked but once you tell them "it's time to hit the road" they are given clothing (so far light armor). In addition, the first one I bought I took to Lakeview Manor intending to get her trained up and resell her at a profit. Unfortunately, once I tell her "you're going to stay here for a while" she will give the correct response and then, when I try to talk to her again, will only say "leave me alone." Since I can't communicate with her I can't change her commands or try her doing other things. I just repeated this experiment and the second one (while still getting armor) does hearken to my commands and is currently in training in Lakeview Manor. Since you said that you are getting your slaves from a pool I expect that some of the complaints on AYGAS are of the same nature.

 

Let me know what information you need in order to sort this out. Don't misunderstand, I am not looking for a fix for this game. I'm quite capable of workarounds. I do want to give you whatever information will help you make any changes needed to fix this in the future.

[DavetheBarbarian]

I have a suggestion for hsh slave behavior. I recently added gsposer to game and would like to have a few slaves with hdt chains around necks to do these poses. Is it possoble to add pose for me option to list when talking to chained slave to get them in a state where they can execute poses while chained?

[Musje]

On 8/10/2019 at 9:06 PM, Psalam said:

Due to a positive dearth of slaves showing up to AYGAS auctions I have been going back to the Restless Hunter (RH) in order to try buying slaves and I may have run across what some of the people are complaining about. In the more recent versions I've noticed that all slaves at RH are now entitled "*slave" as opposed to the older designation by race (Nord, Redguard, etc.). No big deal but you've clearly changed something. I have noted two "bugs" with this. The first is that these slaves now get clothing which does not show up in their inventory. In fact, they get auctioned off naked but once you tell them "it's time to hit the road" they are given clothing (so far light armor). In addition, the first one I bought I took to Lakeview Manor intending to get her trained up and resell her at a profit. Unfortunately, once I tell her "you're going to stay here for a while" she will give the correct response and then, when I try to talk to her again, will only say "leave me alone." Since I can't communicate with her I can't change her commands or try her doing other things. I just repeated this experiment and the second one (while still getting armor) does hearken to my commands and is currently in training in Lakeview Manor. Since you said that you are getting your slaves from a pool I expect that some of the complaints on AYGAS are of the same nature.

 

Let me know what information you need in order to sort this out. Don't misunderstand, I am not looking for a fix for this game. I'm quite capable of workarounds. I do want to give you whatever information will help you make any changes needed to fix this in the future.

I'll have a look at this. Can you check the HSH settings please, and see if you have the mod set to spawn RH slaves from Bandits? If so, that might explain the "slave" designation; the "Redguard slave" names are only when you use the NPC templates built into HSH.

 

It doesn't explain such behaviour, though. That one slave soudns like a failed handover between HSH and PAHE. Does that happen often?

 

Clothing is a bloody nightmare. Havign an NPC don clothing while not in a loaded cell doesn't always work. And if you spawn slaves from Bandits, they get that invisible clothing in their secret inventory. If I ever find a satisfactory fix for this, I will apply it across the board... I am still figuring out how I can prevent slaves from losing their clothes when teleporting, etc.

[Musje]

4 hours ago, DavetheBarbarian said:

I have a suggestion for hsh slave behavior. I recently added gsposer to game and would like to have a few slaves with hdt chains around necks to do these poses. Is it possoble to add pose for me option to list when talking to chained slave to get them in a state where they can execute poses while chained?

Isn't that already possible? You can give them a hdt chain, then let them pose.

[DavetheBarbarian]

3 hours ago, Musje said:

Isn't that already possible? You can give them a hdt chain, then let them pose.

I tried it in an outdoor camp and it didn't work . I will try in a different location hopefully it will work

[Psalam]

8 hours ago, Musje said:

I'll have a look at this. Can you check the HSH settings please, and see if you have the mod set to spawn RH slaves from Bandits? If so, that might explain the "slave" designation; the "Redguard slave" names are only when you use the NPC templates built into HSH.

 

It doesn't explain such behaviour, though. That one slave soudns like a failed handover between HSH and PAHE. Does that happen often?

 

Clothing is a bloody nightmare. Havign an NPC don clothing while not in a loaded cell doesn't always work. And if you spawn slaves from Bandits, they get that invisible clothing in their secret inventory. If I ever find a satisfactory fix for this, I will apply it across the board... I am still figuring out how I can prevent slaves from losing their clothes when teleporting, etc.

Yes, I have Prettier Bandits so I have the "auction slaves as bandits" toggle on.

 

If this was a bad hand off from PAHE to HSH it is the first one I've had in a while. The "leave me alone" dialogue was reminiscent of AYGAS and I thought that it might have played a role. I certainly don't claim to know.

 

My most consistent problem with PAHE/HSH interactions is that PAHE slaves seem to get buggy if they are kept in a cell with HSH slaves for a long time. In my current game, for example, I kept Kematu (from "In My Time of Need") in an HSH home, without converting him to HSH (I was waiting for a trainer to free up) and, in this case, he simply disappeared. He still shows up on my list of PAHE slaves but if he is where PAHE says he is I can walk right through him and he won't teleport to me. Once again, not a complaint, simply an observation. As a general rule that is why I like to keep my PAHE slaves in one place and use HSH elsewhere. With Hearthfire homes I keep the PAHE slaves outside in the stable while I wait for an HSH trainer to "free up." It is also why, when I asked for an increase in the number of house cell tokens I mentioned the Abandoned House in Markarth. I routinely use it for keeping my PAHE slaves while they wait their turn. With the advice I got from @EinarrTheRedI hope to do something similar with Alduin's Wall in my next game (keep the HSH slaves in Sky Haven Temple and the PAHE slaves just outside).

 

Finally, I'm not really suggesting that you can do anything about the clothing. I was merely reporting it in case it was a clue. As I say, my interest is in understanding what I can expect and then I can work around it. Honestly, by the end of a long game I expect that most of my HSH slaves will be named NPCs. That is why I found the idea of AYGAS turning the exiles into slaves so exciting! Nevertheless, I wanted to know more about how slaves had changed with AYGAS "on board" so I've been playing with my options.

[sickboy791]

Nice Mod , Having Fun  , Would be nice to have 3someanimations

[Psalam]

9 hours ago, sickboy791 said:

Nice Mod , Having Fun  , Would be nice to have 3someanimations

There are plenty of 3some animations out there and HSH allows you to tell a slave that you, she and another slave are going to have one.

[Fetterbr]

On 8/5/2019 at 3:31 PM, Fetterbr said:

this problem i have also in other areas, like the lakeview manor addon.  there must be an issue with pahe i use the lateast for SE

Ok i just had to start a new game and set the quest to optional but when i try to enter the restless hunter door it just goes to desktop, same problem i had last time but this is a new game now.

[KostellO]

Hello there. I started 8th or 9th playthrough and when it came to PAH i realised that making a slave trainer with max stats is so boring to do in a 4th time, that i really don't want to waste that much time doing it.

 

So is there a way to set slave stats by console command or maybe is there some addon that allow you to edit stats?

(sorry for my english)

[Psalam]

5 hours ago, KostellO said:

Hello there. I started 8th or 9th playthrough and when it came to PAH i realised that making a slave trainer with max stats is so boring to do in a 4th time, that i really don't want to waste that much time doing it.

 

So is there a way to set slave stats by console command or maybe is there some addon that allow you to edit stats?

(sorry for my english)

There is no console command for it - that's been asked here many times before. I will repeat Psalam's guide to improving slave stats with little work.

 

First, go to the McMenu and set the autorename to on and the submission level at which the slave will try to run away to the minimum. Then, when you go to capture a slave, do not talk to them until they have been renamed. Use the whip (found in Farengar's study or console command or make at a forge) to train them. Usually after the third such training their submission will be sufficient that when you tell them "you will fight for me" they agree. If they do not keep beating them until they do agree. Next, take them to a safe indoor location (I like Dragonsreach). Then chain them up. If you just walk away and leave them you will maximize their submission, pose and combat in about a game month without doing anything else at all. If you also have sex with them once or twice every time that you walk past them it should get the sex start up to 100 also in about the same amount of time. Since the sex stat is actually composed of 3 "sub" stats (oral, vaginal and anal), it pays to have anal sex with them whenever you have the option to do so. If you get a high number but can't quite get to 100, try the other orifices.

 

This will not get all the numbers to 100 but it will get all that really affect game play and does it with a relatively little effort.

[CrazySloth]

I've tried the "entertain guests" command, but what are the conditions for an NPC to be considered as a "guest". I have the "Guild Starter" mod and have a bunch of NPCs in my house, but when I tell my slaves to "entertain guests" they always go for my housecarl.

[KostellO]

10 hours ago, Psalam said:

There is no console command for it - that's been asked here many times before. I will repeat Psalam's guide to improving slave stats with little work.

 

First, go to the McMenu and set the autorename to on and the submission level at which the slave will try to run away to the minimum. Then, when you go to capture a slave, do not talk to them until they have been renamed. Use the whip (found in Farengar's study or console command or make at a forge) to train them. Usually after the third such training their submission will be sufficient that when you tell them "you will fight for me" they agree. If they do not keep beating them until they do agree. Next, take them to a safe indoor location (I like Dragonsreach). Then chain them up. If you just walk away and leave them you will maximize their submission, pose and combat in about a game month without doing anything else at all. If you also have sex with them once or twice every time that you walk past them it should get the sex start up to 100 also in about the same amount of time. Since the sex stat is actually composed of 3 "sub" stats (oral, vaginal and anal), it pays to have anal sex with them whenever you have the option to do so. If you get a high number but can't quite get to 100, try the other orifices.

 

This will not get all the numbers to 100 but it will get all that really affect game play and does it with a relatively little effort.

Ok, i'll do as it guide says, thank you.

 

BUT. First of all, i'm sorry for not finding info about this topic earlyer it thic thread, but i tryed. Looks like i tryed not good enough. But when i was looking for this info i foun interesting information in this post. It says:

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I see. Thank you for the replies. I might try my hand at creating a "trainer" npc for my own game. If memory serves me right, those stats use faction ranks or something similar?

Correct. You can simply set the relevant faction rank from 0 to 100

 

If i got it right and if i understand at least a bit of a this game mechanics (used to make mods for Oblivion, but got no luck with Skyrim), it means that stat value depends on faction relations level. Correct me if i got it wrong and my idea is worthless. So the idea is:

 

1. Somehow get the faction on whitch depends stat value of a particular slave. I need to figure out how to determine how factions relates to slaves. Something like

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slave1 submission = *submission faction name1*

slave1 respect = *respect faction name1*

etc.

 

 

slave2 submission = *submission faction name2*

slave2 respect = *respect faction name2*

etc.

 

 

2. Create some item\button\spell that will set relations with this faction to 100.

 

Souns simple. Is it going to work?

 

[Psalam]

1 hour ago, KostellO said:

Ok, i'll do as it guide says, thank you.

 

BUT. First of all, i'm sorry for not finding info about this topic earlyer it thic thread, but i tryed. Looks like i tryed not good enough. But when i was looking for this info i foun interesting information in this post. It says:

If i got it right and if i understand at least a bit of a this game mechanics (used to make mods for Oblivion, but got no luck with Skyrim), it means that stat value depends on faction relations level. Correct me if i got it wrong and my idea is worthless. So the idea is:

 

1. Somehow get the faction on whitch depends stat value of a particular slave. I need to figure out how to determine how factions relates to slaves. Something like

 

2. Create some item\button\spell that will set relations with this faction to 100.

 

Souns simple. Is it going to work?

 

I am not aware of the mechanics by which PAHE does this, however, what you are describing is exactly how SexLab Aroused Redux tracks arousal. You can do this with that mod so, if you are correct, you should be able to do it with PAHE as well.

[Gräfin Zeppelin]

5 hours ago, Astral Wanker said:

I've tried the "entertain guests" command, but what are the conditions for an NPC to be considered as a "guest". I have the "Guild Starter" mod and have a bunch of NPCs in my house, but when I tell my slaves to "entertain guests" they always go for my housecarl.

They go for followers afaik.

[KostellO]

3 hours ago, Psalam said:

I am not aware of the mechanics by which PAHE does this, however, what you are describing is exactly how SexLab Aroused Redux tracks arousal. You can do this with that mod so, if you are correct, you should be able to do it with PAHE as well.

Well. Stats are really depens on a faction system, as it was said, but the only thing i could realise is that my skills of CK are no enough. Skyrim CK is way more complexed then i one used to use 10 years ago .So looks like i just have to do all legit way...

[CrazySloth]

6 hours ago, Gräfin Zeppelin said:

They go for followers afaik.

I'm using AFT and "My home is your home", I have 2 vanilla followers waiting for me at home and they get ignored by my slaves...  would be cool if there was a token or something that you can give to NPCs so they can be registered as guests.

[Psalam]

3 hours ago, Astral Wanker said:

I'm using AFT and "My home is your home", I have 2 vanilla followers waiting for me at home and they get ignored by my slaves...  would be cool if there was a token or something that you can give to NPCs so they can be registered as guests.

Yeah, a sort of reverse slave sale token.

[Gräfin Zeppelin]

12 hours ago, Astral Wanker said:

I'm using AFT and "My home is your home", I have 2 vanilla followers waiting for me at home and they get ignored by my slaves...  would be cool if there was a token or something that you can give to NPCs so they can be registered as guests.

This is an incredible idea actually.

[xyzxyz]

Could you add a house token without a cage and only some bedrolls? The cage needs a lot of space and can't be used in smaller houses.  And are the cells you can buy for the vanilla houses still only cosmetic?

[Psalam]

11 minutes ago, xyzxyz said:

Could you add a house token without a cage and only some bedrolls? The cage needs a lot of space and can't be used in smaller houses.

If you click on the "box" in front of the cage there is an option to make the cage disappear. The "box" alone will remain.

[KostellO]

I have a bug when two of my slaves has status "In training-allround" but they has no trainers. So they are not training and I can't do anything wit that, 'cause slaves that is in training has no dialog option to take them out of house. Tried to google it, but looks like this isn't a common problem. Any help? 

[Fetterbr]

it really makes me cracy, i simply can not get into the restless hunter, it just crashes to desktop and this is a completely new game