Prison Overhaul Patched (LE)

[willtylor]

anyone else using mod organizer that has convenient horses with prison overhaul? i'm getting a strange error popping up where it asks me to put the former before the latter and then a while latter asking the opposite (left pane)

 

My Prison overhaul has not worked ever since I installed the convenient horses mod.  For me the guards will bind me, but their dialogue won't trigger after I have been bound, they just sit there staring at me forever.

[willtylor]

 

anyone else using mod organizer that has convenient horses with prison overhaul? i'm getting a strange error popping up where it asks me to put the former before the latter and then a while latter asking the opposite (left pane)

 

My Prison overhaul has not worked ever since I installed the convenient horses mod.  For me the guards will bind me, but their dialogue won't trigger after I have been bound, they just sit there staring at me forever.

 

Never Mind, my problem must be coming from somewhere else. I disabled the convenient horses mod, and I'm still having the same problem.

[Inte]

 

 

anyone else using mod organizer that has convenient horses with prison overhaul? i'm getting a strange error popping up where it asks me to put the former before the latter and then a while latter asking the opposite (left pane)

 

My Prison overhaul has not worked ever since I installed the convenient horses mod.  For me the guards will bind me, but their dialogue won't trigger after I have been bound, they just sit there staring at me forever.

 

Never Mind, my problem must be coming from somewhere else. I disabled the convenient horses mod, and I'm still having the same problem.

 

 

Don't forget, most of the times you have to actually uninstall a mod (rather than just uncheck it in the load order) to make sure its scripts stop firing.  

 

Sounds like the arrest scene hangs, try moving POP to last in your load order. Also, you can disable the arrest scene in the POP MCM, see if it works then.    

 

[popesnax]

I'm trying to do the upgrade, but I'm stuck on step 5. When I try to restart after uninstalling XPO, the game crashes on launch (as in right after the Bethesda logo) and will not start until I reinstall the esp and bsa. Is there something else I have to do to uninstall it cleanly?

 

I've cleaned out the scripts etc. folders per the troubleshooting instructions.

[Guest]

I'm trying to do the upgrade, but I'm stuck on step 5. When I try to restart after uninstalling XPO, the game crashes on launch (as in right after the Bethesda logo) and will not start until I reinstall the esp and bsa. Is there something else I have to do to uninstall it cleanly?

 

I've cleaned out the scripts etc. folders per the troubleshooting instructions.

 

I have the same problem, so i go back to patch 7f and this is working.

An other problem is in 8g when i try to enable the new options and i go up or down or even outside from this menu, everthing from the new option i enabled ( patch 8 + ) is disabled again. No problems in 7f because these options doesn´t exist there.

 

[majorfreak]

Mod Organizer "problems with setup"

Potential Mod orer problem

"the conflict resolution order for some mods with scripts differs from that of the corresponding esp. This may lead to subtle, hard to locate bugs. {lease first ensure your load order is correct. If it is you should re-order the affected mods (left list!) like this:"

 

it will continually give me convenient horses before/after prisonoverhaul messages.

[Inte]

I'm trying to do the upgrade, but I'm stuck on step 5. When I try to restart after uninstalling XPO, the game crashes on launch (as in right after the Bethesda logo) and will not start until I reinstall the esp and bsa. Is there something else I have to do to uninstall it cleanly?

 

I've cleaned out the scripts etc. folders per the troubleshooting instructions.

 

Make sure you don't have another mod that patches PO or POP.

 

 

I'm trying to do the upgrade, but I'm stuck on step 5. When I try to restart after uninstalling XPO, the game crashes on launch (as in right after the Bethesda logo) and will not start until I reinstall the esp and bsa. Is there something else I have to do to uninstall it cleanly?

 

I've cleaned out the scripts etc. folders per the troubleshooting instructions.

 

I have the same problem, so i go back to patch 7f and this is working.

An other problem is in 8g when i try to enable the new options and i go up or down or even outside from this menu, everthing from the new option i enabled ( patch 8 + ) is disabled again. No problems in 7f because these options doesn´t exist there.

 

 

 

Update your PapyrusUtil.

 

Mod Organizer "problems with setup"

Potential Mod orer problem

"the conflict resolution order for some mods with scripts differs from that of the corresponding esp. This may lead to subtle, hard to locate bugs. {lease first ensure your load order is correct. If it is you should re-order the affected mods (left list!) like this:"

 

it will continually give me convenient horses before/after prisonoverhaul messages.

 

Crap, I know nothing about MO.  

 

[Slorm]

I'm trying to do the upgrade, but I'm stuck on step 5. When I try to restart after uninstalling XPO, the game crashes on launch (as in right after the Bethesda logo) and will not start until I reinstall the esp and bsa. Is there something else I have to do to uninstall it cleanly?

 

I've cleaned out the scripts etc. folders per the troubleshooting instructions.

 

CTD's after the Beth logo is usually indicative of a missing master. Are you sure you are uninstalling both PO and POP? If you have removed both then check though to make sure no other mod has a dependency on PO or POP (I don't know of any mods that do but that doesn't mean there aren't some around)

 

I've moved without problems from 8f to 8g and I'm still on the old v28 of papyrusutils and did not have any problems

 

[majorfreak]

 

I'm trying to do the upgrade, but I'm stuck on step 5. When I try to restart after uninstalling XPO, the game crashes on launch (as in right after the Bethesda logo) and will not start until I reinstall the esp and bsa. Is there something else I have to do to uninstall it cleanly?

 

I've cleaned out the scripts etc. folders per the troubleshooting instructions.

 

Make sure you don't have another mod that patches PO or POP.

 

 

I'm trying to do the upgrade, but I'm stuck on step 5. When I try to restart after uninstalling XPO, the game crashes on launch (as in right after the Bethesda logo) and will not start until I reinstall the esp and bsa. Is there something else I have to do to uninstall it cleanly?

 

I've cleaned out the scripts etc. folders per the troubleshooting instructions.

 

I have the same problem, so i go back to patch 7f and this is working.

An other problem is in 8g when i try to enable the new options and i go up or down or even outside from this menu, everthing from the new option i enabled ( patch 8 + ) is disabled again. No problems in 7f because these options doesn´t exist there.

 

 

 

Update your PapyrusUtil.

 

Mod Organizer "problems with setup"

Potential Mod orer problem

"the conflict resolution order for some mods with scripts differs from that of the corresponding esp. This may lead to subtle, hard to locate bugs. {lease first ensure your load order is correct. If it is you should re-order the affected mods (left list!) like this:"

 

it will continually give me convenient horses before/after prisonoverhaul messages.

 

Crap, I know nothing about MO.  

 

 

 

i think it might be my load order. i'll keep an eye on it and see if changes from upgrade to upgrade visa vis POP/horses

 

[willtylor]

 

 

 

anyone else using mod organizer that has convenient horses with prison overhaul? i'm getting a strange error popping up where it asks me to put the former before the latter and then a while latter asking the opposite (left pane)

 

My Prison overhaul has not worked ever since I installed the convenient horses mod.  For me the guards will bind me, but their dialogue won't trigger after I have been bound, they just sit there staring at me forever.

 

Never Mind, my problem must be coming from somewhere else. I disabled the convenient horses mod, and I'm still having the same problem.

 

 

Don't forget, most of the times you have to actually uninstall a mod (rather than just uncheck it in the load order) to make sure its scripts stop firing.  

 

Sounds like the arrest scene hangs, try moving POP to last in your load order. Also, you can disable the arrest scene in the POP MCM, see if it works then.    

 

 

I've tried all of your suggestions, (completely deleting the convenient horses mod did nothing, and when I disable the arrest scene, it takes me to the jailor, but then it's the same story where the dialogue wont trigger with the jailor either.

[majorfreak]

try starting a new game to test it out, willtylor. 

 

btw, before installing convenient horses, how many other mods did you install between then and the last time you experienced the jailor dialogue?  if you use mod organizer you can sort the left pane according to installation date...that may help you diagnose issues.

 

i've had to remove a few mods completely simply because they caused horrible issues ingame...if you ever find the offending mod it'll be a choice between prisonoverhaul and that mod. hopefully there's a fix that's simple (mcm option maybe? or install order? or load order you have to do manually?)

[willtylor]

Ok, so I'm an idiot!  I found that I was having the same problem for multiple mods (simple slavery, TDF Prostitution) where whenever a scene should be initiated by a NPC, the scene dialogue would not start.  So I spent hours uninstalling and re-installing mods trying to figure out what the hell was going on, and I finally realized my Fuz Ro D-oh was missing.  I don't know how it happened, but somehow I un-installed Fuz Ro D-oh, and now everything is working perfectly again now that it's re-installed.  Sheeesh! Fuck Me!

[Morferous]

Mod Organizer "problems with setup"

Potential Mod orer problem

"the conflict resolution order for some mods with scripts differs from that of the corresponding esp. This may lead to subtle, hard to locate bugs. {lease first ensure your load order is correct. If it is you should re-order the affected mods (left list!) like this:"

 

it will continually give me convenient horses before/after prisonoverhaul messages.

 

Some mods confuse MO "helper" out big time. Rely on LOOT sorted load order in right panel and match the left panel with it. Despite what Tannin says, you can usually just ignore MO warnings about mod order, if you have sorted them as I recommended. The system that it uses is old. We are hoping that most of those problems will be solved in upcoming MO 2.

 

Only exception I know for XPO+POP is the property edit in Skooma Whore. I am moving SW above XPO+POP in load order.

[El_Duderino]

Hi all,

 

This question has been asked before, but I couldn't find a reply to it. POP undoes several changes of USLEEP, most notably Navmeshes in the towns. Would it be safe to carry over the USLEEP changes into POP (the mod itself, or a new patch esp), or might that interfere with some of the prison/arrest scenes somehow? Sorry if this sounds dumb, but I really don't know how this works under the hood.

 

Thanks for any advice you can give.

[Inte]

POP changes the navmesh around the PO pillories and cages. Not sure what USLEEP changes.

I cannot carry the changes of USLEEP into POP without making it a dependency. I rather not do that.

[El_Duderino]

POP changes the navmesh around the PO pillories and cages. Not sure what USLEEP changes.

I cannot carry the changes of USLEEP into POP without making it a dependency. I rather not do that.

 

Thanks for your reply -- boy am I glad that I asked about this. I really wouldn't want any pathing issues around the pillories and stuff.

[bicobus]

POP changes the navmesh around the PO pillories and cages. Not sure what USLEEP changes.

I cannot carry the changes of USLEEP into POP without making it a dependency. I rather not do that.

 

Some mod out there create a "patch" esp if such dependencies are considered an issue. Most mod just don't care and assume everybody should just use USLEEP, because it's a several years long patching process that resolve a ton of problem in skyrim. The changes introduced by USLEEP are there to fix an issue and shouldn't add any content or change anything in any "breaking" way.

 

If you both change the same thing, it's alright. If POP reintroduce vanilla issues, it's a problem.

 

I'm saying all that, but I have no idea what navmeshes are

[WaxenFigure]

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I'm saying all that, but I have no idea what navmeshes are

Navmeshes are the markers that tell NPCs where they can walk and where they should not walk and the path they should travel from one point to another.

[Slorm]

POP changes the navmesh around the PO pillories and cages. Not sure what USLEEP changes.

I cannot carry the changes of USLEEP into POP without making it a dependency. I rather not do that.

 

I've always used USLEEP (and the former USKP patches) and never noticed any navmesh pathing problems

[GeorgiaCav]

8g has been great -- a real upgrade over previous versions. However, for some reason, Windhelm presents problems even 8g can't seem to fix.

 

To wit: Everything works fine right up to the point that the jailer takes me to the pillory. Two things can happen:

 

1. If I follow the jailer manually, without skipping the trip, I end up stuck behind the jailer as she (always a she in my setup) paces jerkily back and forth in front of the pillory. The "get in there so I can lock you up" line never appears. 

Solutions tried: all of the new forceAI/releaseAI options; waiting for twelve hours (one hour or two hours at a time), and I had to load an old save, untick the hardcore mode checkbox, and restart the arrest to be able to wait, which means the same bug has happened on more than one arrest. Nothing works.

 

2. If I DON'T follow the jailer, and use the fast-forward function to go to the pillory, I end up falling through the geometry to a place underneath the city, BUT I do get the "get in so I can lock you up" dialogue from the jailer, who is inaccessible 200 feet above me. I found out by TCL'ing before the fast-forward that I and the jailer were being placed *behind* the wall behind the pillories, in an inaccessible area. Sort of like the teleportation target or exit point or whatever (sorry, never got to that point in my own meager modding experience) had been set behind the wall, instead of in front of the pillories. TCL'ing through the wall, then teleporting the jailer to myself, did not cause my pc to enter the pillory.

 

The only things I have in my LO that would edit the cell might be ETaC, Inconsequential NPC's, Immersive NPC's, and I think someone above mentioned Skooma Whore as a source of some LO issue but it's above PO, and in any case I installed 8g (carefully following instructions, force-restarting before and after install, and IIRC I think I cleaned the save before installing the new patch) after SW.

 

Oh, well. I've never liked Windhelm's dungeon anyway.

[Slorm]

I'm not sure htis is relevant but the falling through the geometry seems to happen if you set off the fast forward while on the level where the cell is. From memory it works correctly if you set it off once at the same level as the pillory

[Punga]

So, how about an update, huh?

[GeorgiaCav]

I'm not sure htis is relevant but the falling through the geometry seems to happen if you set off the fast forward while on the level where the cell is. From memory it works correctly if you set it off once at the same level as the pillory

 

I'll try that, thanks. You mean in the same cell (not jail cell, world cell) as the pillory? Outside the Windhelm palace/dungeon?

 

One other question: I see in the pictures on the dl page a prisoner shackled in one of those upright pillories/posts that don't seem to have an actual placeable furniture associated with them -- it's the one where her hands are above her head but she's sitting on the ground, in Whiterun. This post, and one like it that has the victim standing upright, I've seen in animations in SD+ but nowhere else, and they don't trigger very often even in that. Is there a name for these? Are they placeable? Are there conditions in PO or POP that trigger them? I've tried searching Xaz furnitures in the console but I have only seen the crosses, the cruxes, the pillories, the multirestraint poles, nothing I've placed has been these things. I actually like them better than the pillories. ISTR Skyrimll was having trouble getting them to trigger in punishment scenes. 

 

(So I guess that was more like three or four questions.)

 

Thanks for all your work keeping this awesome mod getting better and better.

 

EDIT: Speaking of that pole: looks like 3ijou just released some animations involving it. Off to test!

[Punga]

Indeed, Inte and Slorm have been making POP better and better.

First bringing in the devious devices, then the skill modding, and all the other awesome stuff. POPBHs are my favorites.

 

Speaking of which, Inte can you make it so POPBHs will not warn you when they are about to 'magic green ball' arrest you?

 

I think that punishing post was just a test run? Idk.

[Inte]

You mean when the arrest elusion is over the threshold? Yes, I can do that. I'll be in for the next update.

I'm thinking that it will be something random, i.e. sometimes they will warn you when they are about to arrest you, but other times they will just shoot you with the bound spell with no warning. You know, to let the paranoia grow!