Kimy Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 You may, in your sole discretion, choose to remove a Workshop Contribution from the applicable Workshop pages. If you do so, Valve will no longer have the right to use, distribute, transmit, communicate, publicly display or publicly perform the Workshop Contribution, except that (a) Valve may continue to exercise these rights for any Workshop Contribution that is accepted for distribution in-game or distributed in a manner that allows it to be used in-game, and ( your removal will not affect the rights of any Subscriber who has already obtained access to a copy of the Workshop Contribution. This is in the basic Steam agreement - it's nothing to do with paid mods. You've already agreed to it as well. And that's more than fair enough. Nobody should -ever- lose access to a product that have bought.
Yami X Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 And from now on nobody will bother to create a "free" alternative to, say SkyUI, as someone will steal it anyway and will try to sell it through Steam. This is the end of "modding" as we know it. The era of 3rd party DLCs has begun. So are you just gonna doom and gloom everywhere what's with the defeatist attitude?
bjornk Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 And that's more than fair enough. Nobody should -ever- lose access to a product that have bought. You did not "buy" it, you "hired" it indefinitely, there's a difference. I did predict that using Steam would one day become an unpleasant experience, but I've never thought that they could get this low.
Coopervane Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 It's in Valves best interest and the interest of Game Sellers everywhere to kill off free modding. I have 2,100 hours played. I'm not a good little consumer. Yes and no. In terms of short-term profit? Yes, it's in their interest to dissallow, restrict, or as now, try to somehow profit off of modding. If people can't get it for free, they gotta buy all those awful DLC's and make use of the inbuild microtransactions, right? And they can do planned-obsolesence! Since games don't last people will have to buy the next one! Yaaay! Yeah.. and here's where the cookie crumbles into dust long-term. How many profitable franchises became profitable franchises because of the goodwill generated via things like mod support, fair pricing, good value for money and so on and so forth? I can safely say that i would NEVER buy a FO/TES game if it were not for the free and open mod support, and that i now nolonger have any intensions of buying FO4 or TESVI, unless i can be damned sure i get to mod the things, and won't have to pay 3'rd parties for patches. People are sick and tired of beeing nickled and dimed, they are sick and tired of games beeing carved up and sold piecemeal at added cost and worse quality as a result, they are sick and tired of having to like something on Twitter to get the full game, and just on and on... Everything related to the AAA gaming industry right now is mired in negativity and reluctant compliance. When i see a new game announced my first thought is not "Yaaaay new game!", rather, it is "So how will they fuck us this time? And will it even work on launch?". It will take a while still, but this craft is going down in flames. Do not underestimate the value of happy consumers willing and glad to spend. That is the buisness model that has a future, whereas this exploitative crap.. it does not.
bjornk Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 And from now on nobody will bother to create a "free" alternative to, say SkyUI, as someone will steal it anyway and will try to sell it through Steam. This is the end of "modding" as we know it. The era of 3rd party DLCs has begun.So are you just gonna doom and gloom everywhere what's with the defeatist attitude? What's your problem with my attitude? Can't I be the pessimist?
nooblet123 Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 skyui going to pay? Yes http://www.reddit.com/r/skyrimmods/comments/33s0g8/i_have_hidden_all_of_my_mods/ Edit: http://www.reddit.com/r/skyrimmods/comments/33quz6/skyui_pretty_much_one_of_the_most_essential_mods/ I like the idea of making mods stop working when they detect paid SKYUI (and other mods)
Yami X Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 And from now on nobody will bother to create a "free" alternative to, say SkyUI, as someone will steal it anyway and will try to sell it through Steam. This is the end of "modding" as we know it. The era of 3rd party DLCs has begun.So are you just gonna doom and gloom everywhere what's with the defeatist attitude? What's your problem with my attitude? Can't I be the pessimist? It almost seems like every post you made regarding this matter has been nothing short of the end is nigh for free modding. I mean what is point in saying this over and over again?Here's the thing you have more power than you think. Also it's seems like in this Day N Age being a pessimist is the cool thing to be.
yui0820 Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 How about this? Like it? No? Yeah, I don't like it either.This is shit !...
Starless Aeon Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 I can safely say that i would NEVER buy a FO/TES game if it were not for the free and open mod support, and that i now nolonger have any intensions of buying FO4 or TESVI, unless i can be damned sure i get to mod the things, and won't have to pay 3'rd parties for patches. I feel the same, and I just might add that I will never buy a mod from SWS, simply because, as I stated before in this tread, I don't support this model, and in order to express my dissatisfaction I will hit them where it hurts the most - their wallets (although I'd be more than happy to hit Valve/Bethesda in the balls).
Yami X Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 How about this? Like it? No? Yeah, I don't like it either. This is shit !...
Quisling Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 And from now on nobody will bother to create a "free" alternative to, say SkyUI, as someone will steal it anyway and will try to sell it through Steam. This is the end of "modding" as we know it. The era of 3rd party DLCs has begun.So are you just gonna doom and gloom everywhere what's with the defeatist attitude? What's your problem with my attitude? Can't I be the pessimist? It almost seems like every post you made regarding this matter has been nothing short of the end is nigh for free modding. I mean what is point in saying this over and over again.Here's the thing you have more power than you think. Also it's seems like in this Day N Age being a pessimist is the cool thing to be. Internet Cool ladder: sweary rant > "the sky is falling" > witty rant > "10 cats who hate paid mods" > reasoned, well-thought opinion
Gameplayer Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 Well one thing is for certain, I read a few posts saying that the Steam users would be oblivious to this change well those posts were kinda stupid but anyway, The game has a backlash of negative reviews and many mods that went paid have dropping endorsements. I find arguments that Steam/Valve and Bethsada should make money to be overlooking the fact that the past thriving modding community has driven the sales of this game long after a normal game of this type would have died out. For reference please consider Kingdoms of Alamar the reckoning, which if Skyrim had no CK mod support would have been a better game than this one overall. Alamar didn't do well and really how could it given the mods the community has made for Skyrim. Skyrim has sold millions of copies well after its initial launch and many millions just over the last year and I don't feel its far fetched to say that is due to it being modded with many great choices. I feel its safe to say remember the summer when Nexus had over a million new subscribers. I don't feel I have to attach a document on this we all know its true. Those people all paid full price for this game. A lot of money has been made and this game has remained fun to play well after the shelf life due to mods. It just feels like its a set up for the next Beth installment which I feel a lot of people have been waiting for and that's Fallout 4. Fo4 wont have the same kind of modding community moving forward and I've no idea what to think on it. It's just not going to be the same.
bjornk Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 And from now on nobody will bother to create a "free" alternative to, say SkyUI, as someone will steal it anyway and will try to sell it through Steam. This is the end of "modding" as we know it. The era of 3rd party DLCs has begun.So are you just gonna doom and gloom everywhere what's with the defeatist attitude? What's your problem with my attitude? Can't I be the pessimist? It almost seems like every post you made regarding this matter has been nothing short of the end is nigh for free modding. I mean what is point in saying this over and over again.Here's the thing you have more power than you think. Also it's seems like in this Day N Age being a pessimist is the cool thing to be. Internet Cool ladder: sweary rant > "the sky is falling" > witty rant > "10 cats who hate paid mods" > reasoned, well-thought opinion You still don't see where being naive takes you, but why should I care, you're the one who's going to get fucked... again and again.
Gameplayer Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 I can safely say that i would NEVER buy a FO/TES game if it were not for the free and open mod support, and that i now nolonger have any intensions of buying FO4 or TESVI, unless i can be damned sure i get to mod the things, and won't have to pay 3'rd parties for patches. I feel the same, and I just might add that I will never buy a mod from SWS, simply because, as I stated before in this tread, I don't support this model, and in order to express my dissatisfaction I will hit them where it hurts the most - their wallets (although I'd be more than happy to hit Valve/Bethesda in the balls). Bullshit, Those followers don't have voices and their really nothing special. The ability to even make those girls look that way relied on the techniques laid out by other modders and their mod programs wheres their cut of that. Also I'm noticing some armors created originally by Tera-Online now its been sold for profit? Don't see a problem here? How about the way this could lead up to other corporations wanting their slice?
Yami X Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 And from now on nobody will bother to create a "free" alternative to, say SkyUI, as someone will steal it anyway and will try to sell it through Steam. This is the end of "modding" as we know it. The era of 3rd party DLCs has begun.So are you just gonna doom and gloom everywhere what's with the defeatist attitude? What's your problem with my attitude? Can't I be the pessimist? It almost seems like every post you made regarding this matter has been nothing short of the end is nigh for free modding. I mean what is point in saying this over and over again.Here's the thing you have more power than you think. Also it's seems like in this Day N Age being a pessimist is the cool thing to be. Internet Cool ladder: sweary rant > "the sky is falling" > witty rant > "10 cats who hate paid mods" > reasoned, well-thought opinion I'm out of likes for the day. And from now on nobody will bother to create a "free" alternative to, say SkyUI, as someone will steal it anyway and will try to sell it through Steam. This is the end of "modding" as we know it. The era of 3rd party DLCs has begun.So are you just gonna doom and gloom everywhere what's with the defeatist attitude? What's your problem with my attitude? Can't I be the pessimist? It almost seems like every post you made regarding this matter has been nothing short of the end is nigh for free modding. I mean what is point in saying this over and over again.Here's the thing you have more power than you think. Also it's seems like in this Day N Age being a pessimist is the cool thing to be. Internet Cool ladder: sweary rant > "the sky is falling" > witty rant > "10 cats who hate paid mods" > reasoned, well-thought opinion You still don't see where being naive takes you, but why should I care, you're the one who's going to get fucked... again and again. lol Way to prove my point my mistake next time I'll leave you to stew in your misery.
Starless Aeon Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 Bullshit, Those followers don't have voices and their really nothing special. The ability to even make those girls look that way relied on the techniques laid out by other modders and their mod programs wheres their cut of that. Also I'm noticing some armors created originally by Tera-Online now its been sold for profit? Don't see a problem here? How about the way this could lead up to other corporations wanting their slice? Pretty sure I said nothing about followers and armors lol
Coopervane Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 Pretty sure I said nothing about followers and armors lol I suspect he hit the "Quote" button on the wrong post and didn't notice
yui0820 Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 Bullshit, Those followers don't have voices and their really nothing special. The ability to even make those girls look that way relied on the techniques laid out by other modders and their mod programs wheres their cut of that. Also I'm noticing some armors created originally by Tera-Online now its been sold for profit? Don't see a problem here? How about the way this could lead up to other corporations wanting their slice? Pretty sure I said nothing about followers and armors lol Maybe he wanna talking to me? and don't even know what this actually just a joke.
azoth1267 Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 What's your problem with my attitude? Can't I be the pessimist? Is it even being a pessimist or is it just being a realist? The reality of the situation is that average mod users are now customers and mod makers are just underpaid labor for companies to bilk. The hands off, "buy at your own risk" stance that EA valve and beth have taken means that if anything breaks... too fucking bad. Meanwhile they limit the rights of content creators while paying them literal pennies on the dollar. Creators currently have the ability to shut down any and all dissent it seems (though to be fair it is also being used to clean out loads of spam atm). Inflation (even with a pseudo pay what you want system) will be an issue with no measuring stick in sight. Quality control is non existent. Theft both before and after uploading a mod is also an issue. And thats just a few issues that we can already see rearing their ugly heads. But all that is chump change to where the real danger or problems come form in all this. Think about the future... fallout 4, TES6 or any game with mods for that matter. Valve and beth have made money off of this ordeal already, they would be stupid to stop now. People, whatever their motive (greed, entitlement, anger, sense of justice or whatever), will seek to steal the mods that people make. That will force these companies to protect their profit margins by working drm into the mix (mark my words, they will find a way). Legal precedents will be set and laws will change to protect companies from "evil" modders/hackers/pirates/GG/whatever. I have absolutely no doubt that the next beth game to come out will have steam workshop exclusive only somewhere in its eula. Its not being defeatist or even pessimistic... its just seeing the way things are for what they really are.
Antrox Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 Steam really fucked up here. People are leaving the nexus because of this shit. The people that leave the nexus are ignorant, I hope they realize that valve gets 75% of the funds paid to them. Not only that, but Valve doesn't pay the mod author until they reach a certain amount of money collected, which from what I've heard is more then $50... While I do respect the people looking for getting paid for their mods, this idea from Valve is retarded, just because the author basically gets nothing and the rules that are involved in it.
azerty852 Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 How about this? Like it? No? Yeah, I don't like it either. This is shit !... Your prices are far too low. Try adding a few zeroes.
Tivoko Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 Bullshit, Those followers don't have voices and their really nothing special. The ability to even make those girls look that way relied on the techniques laid out by other modders and their mod programs wheres their cut of that. Also I'm noticing some armors created originally by Tera-Online now its been sold for profit? Don't see a problem here? How about the way this could lead up to other corporations wanting their slice? Pretty sure I said nothing about followers and armors lol Maybe he wanna talking to me? and don't even know what I actually said. Yeah it seemed like his post was referring to yours and I agree it looks like he might have missed the point you were trying to make. I feel the same as most in this thread that this is a bad move on Valve's/Bethesda's part but I suppose it was only a matter of time until someone tried to do it. From their point of view they can get extra content made for their games and get a cut of the profits while not having to do any of the actual work and sell it to people as a way to support modders. If there's anything good to come out of this whole debacle I hope it is that more people will be willing to donate to their favorite authors. If we as a community ever accept this monetization of modding I fear what it will mean for the future of pc gaming. I think it's the free environment that we've had for so long that has fostered the sharing of ideas and resources to make such great mods that has brought such success to the modding scene and to get in the way of that with a paywall will only lead to more quick cash grab type mods being put up. As a hypothetical let's say they use this as a stepping stone and the next step is only allowing premium mods being made for a future title. If those mods don't turn out to be profitable to them will they ever support modding again? It seems like a slippery slope to me and Valve/Bethesda have just pushed us down it.
Gameplayer Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 My bad, I hit the wrong post reply. Just a bit irked by this event, like everyone else. Been looking though the Workshop and Steam comments too at the same time. It's a lot to take in. Some of the Workshop mods contain what is safe to say right now, Stolen content. Mods waiting for review to become paid mods are hard to tell some of them legit, fake, or sell out. Just going to take a break and play my game with what I have onboard.
...0... Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 What's your problem with my attitude? Can't I be the pessimist? Is it even being a pessimist or is it just being a realist? The reality of the situation is that average mod users are now customers and mod makers are just underpaid labor for companies to bilk. The hands off, "buy at your own risk" stance that EA valve and beth have taken means that if anything breaks... too fucking bad. Meanwhile they limit the rights of content creators while paying them literal pennies on the dollar. Creators currently have the ability to shut down any and all dissent it seems (though to be fair it is also being used to clean out loads of spam atm). Inflation (even with a pseudo pay what you want system) will be an issue with do measuring stick in sight. Quality control is non existent. Theft both before and after uploading a mod is also an issue. And thats just a few issues that we can already see rearing their ugly heads. But all that is chump change to where the real danger or problems come form in all this. Think about the future... fallout 4, TES6 or any game with mods for that matter. Valve and beth have made money off of this ordeal already, they would be stupid to stop now. People, whatever their motive (greed, entitlement, anger, sense of justice or whatever), will seek to steal the mods that people make. That will force these companies to protect their profit margins by working drm into the mix (mark my words, they will find a way). Legal precedents will be set and laws will change to protect companies from "evil" modders/hackers/pirates/GG/whatever. I have absolutely no doubt that the next beth game to come out will have steam workshop exclusive somewhere in its eula. Its not being defeatist or even pessimistic... its just seeing the way things are for what they really are. If any have any character won't buy any game from this shite company and abandon steam(i have over 1200 euros of games on steam maybe compare to others not much but FUCK VALVE st(EA)m) i won't spent one penny more from that shite steam fuck gabeN . I already boycot EA and ubisoft for years now it's also Bethesda so be it. Luckly next month THE WITCHER 3 wich i bought on GOG.COM 100% DRM FREE with soon FREE MODS.
yui0820 Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 My bad, I hit the wrong post reply. Just a bit irked by this event, like everyone else. But it still feel a little bit hurt you said that to me.
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