merryMalfunctioning Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 Chesko SAID he would keep providing updates for the free version. But good intentions vanish quickly in the face of money and greed. Free projects that go commercial rarely survive the transition. When your mortgage and car payments are staring you in the face, are you suddenly going to decide to be altruistic? I wouldn't, and neither would most people. That's why I say that Chesko had already abandoned the modding community the moment he signed on for this... regardless of what he said or believed. I don't think Chesko is evil. I think he's human. Valve and Bethseda should never have put him in this position, but he was a write-off the moment they did.
zaira Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 I don't have problems with payed mods - but when I pay for a mod I expect service + quality - eg. no clippings, no neck-seams, support, updates. However, I am pretty sure that this gonna be a flop and we will never see any mod with nipples in Steam workshop - never ever.
merryMalfunctioning Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 I don't have problems with payed mods - but when I pay for a mod I expect service + quality - eg. no clippings, no neck-seams, support, updates. However, I am pretty sure that this gonna be a flop and we will never see any mod with nipples in Steam workshop - never ever. But if it doesn't flop, you'll have to buy $200 worth of prerequisite mods before your free nipple mod will even work.
redeyesandlonghair Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 My big concern here is that Valve has basically stated that it's okay for people to take free mods made by other people and upload them to the workshop under their own name and monetize them. Valve considers free mods on other sites to pretty much be public property, and the first person to pick it up and shove it into the workshop is the one that gets the money. I'm all for mod authors making money - I've donated quite a bit of money to mod authors. I'm not in favor of mod authors getting only 25% of what they've earned, and I'm certainly not in favor of mod authors getting absolutely nothing while someone else profits off their efforts.
winny257 Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 without words. Absolute Armor http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/65071/? http://static-6.nexusmods.com/15/mods/110/images/65071-1-1429935606.jpg http://static-6.nexusmods.com/15/mods/110/images/65071-1-1429935665.jpg
Surrealism Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 I have a question, if anyone knows the answer. What happens with the money that modders make? Does it stay in their steam account with no way to withdraw it, or can it be withdrawn? Or is it linked to an external account (such as a bank account)? If it can't be withdrawn, that pretty much makes the only argument in favor of paid mods a moot point.
Jexsam Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 You can't claim definitively that Chesko would have ceased free updates. Further, greed is a pretty big assumption, and a word that carries a sinister implication. Is a whittler who sells statuettes he carves in his spare time at the local flea market greedy? I think it's worth mentioning that he's also completely pulled out of the program. I haven't heard of any other early adopters doing anything similar, and I have little doubt that big names like SkyUI are getting much, if any, less hell over this than Chesko did. Maybe Chesko just buckled early, or maybe he realized from the backlash that his decision was bad. I can't tell one way or the other even from reading his posts, but I've learned more often than not that when it comes to individuals, that you should never attribute to malice what stupidity sufficiently explains. Greed just feels too malicious a term considering his actions since, but that's my gut feeling more than anything else.
d4nt320 Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 see this and think with wise mind: 1.From one who believes that money can do everything, one suspects on the basis that it will be able to do anything for money. 2.Want to be rich? Well do not cares to increase your wealth, but to reduce your greed. 3.Who changes happiness for money can not change money for happiness. 4.No deem the money on more or less than it is worth, because it is a good servant and a bad master. 5.Poverty does not come by decreasing wealth, but by the multiplication of desires. 6.A dog that has money is called Mr. Dog. Wise Thoughts above ............................................................................................... We help with donate. Now Valve is creating a war between modders, i am a modder what I like is creating armor and clothes but i not have time that is why i support modders for their work and i use my little time to play and enjoy all the great work of modders. but is different to pay for a mod that is to much i pay three time for skyrim 2 for oblivion and 1 for Fallout New Vegas and Now this. come ON MAN that is to much i hate when the companys do this shit they alway stick there fucking fingers where they don't Need to.
aqqh Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 I'm all for mod authors making money - I've donated quite a bit of money to mod authors. I'm not in favor of mod authors getting only 25% of what they've earned, and I'm certainly not in favor of mod authors getting absolutely nothing while someone else profits off their efforts. there are 2 problems with donations 1 thats a very tiny cake. 2 most popular modders eat 90+% of it.
merryMalfunctioning Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 You know what would have been way better? Something like a scholarship for mods. Bethseda and Valve already make tons of Skyrim sales (and money) because of mods, so why not give out some awards for the best mods? Every give out a handful of $250 awards to mod authors who've released something awesome recently? It would stimulate the community and encourage people who've done good work to keep doing good work. Just an idea, anyway. Instead of trying to bleed the players dry, invest some of their profits into the modding community and reap the profits of more and more Skyrim sales.
d4nt320 Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 this is what modders think about paid mods http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/65077/? http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/65071/? http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/65067/? http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/65065/?
merryMalfunctioning Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 I can't tell one way or the other even from reading his posts, but I've learned more often than not that when it comes to individuals, that you should never attribute to malice what stupidity sufficiently explains. Greed just feels too malicious a term considering his actions since, but that's my gut feeling more than anything else. I don't think greed is malicious at all! It's just human nature. Being unable to see past one's own self interest to the long-term harm it can cause is definitely a form of stupidity, not malice.
Gameplayer Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 So now that the mod's are up and you can purchase them from Steam now, I'm fairly certain that anyone with a computer version of Skyrim is aware that something has changed. Anyway, have you seen the prices these guys want I mean damn. Just no way would pay that much and a lot of those "great" mods asking a big price.... I don't use them anymore, mostly cause I know better they are resource hogs and can cause issue's with my playthroughs especially when combined with mods I've found here. Not to mention how often I find myself having to fix stuff up just to run properly or cause an author left in or made a few bad choices with edits >< so much of a time waste, what are they liable to fix these now that there is money involved?
d4nt320 Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 Now you have a problem with your mod and you need the update you will need to paid for that mod to have the update. See this
senna Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 Great... 3 days ago I found nice mod, and add it do bookmark for further ownload (today, weekend) "Skyrim Realistic Texture Overhaul Clouds". Today I see this mod disappeared from nexus... - Yes! Now it is PAID mod. And I can't find and download link... Fu** you valveshit and bethesdashit.
chipstick Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 My predictions for Sky UI. 1. Sky UI 5.0 goes up on Steam 2. Sky UI doesn't make enough money because of modder backlash 3. Valve takes whatever money Sky UI makes (because you have to get a certain amount before they start paying modders). 4. Sky UI team tries to take their mod down 5. Valve claims Sky UI as its own and won't take it down 6. Valve goes after any free versions of Sky UI (including the older Nexus Version) and forces them to be taken down Does this sound about right? 6 is...unlikely to happen. You cannot sign off rights retroactively. Valve does not and will never have any exclusive rights to SkyUI 4, since it was distributed elsewhere before having a business agreement with them. They can of course take down SkyUI 4 from Nexus voluntarily, but Valve cannot force them to. Heh, they've already done it with Chesko. As I understand it, steam has not done that with Chesko. They took the relevant mods (Arissa and fishing) off the sales list as he asked, you can't buy them anymore. Chesko seems to be spitting chunks that they wouldn't stop players who had already bought it from having continued access to it. I'm against this whole monetisation of mods myself; I see nothing but bad things coming from this debacle. However, this particular accusation against Steam refusing to honour Chesko's requests seems unfair - they're doing as he asks, but simply stating they won't cut off people from content they had already purchased. * Even if I supported the monetisation of mods, steam workshop is the last place I'd go. Refuse to use it. I want to manage my mods myself.
Gameplayer Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 I always thought Steam workshop was crap due to poor layout, poorly executed updates, and now this just seals up the entire image. ------------------------------------------------------------ The thing is Valve knows exactly how much time we spend playing Skyrim and just how small our Steam library is. They offer ass tons of games, which I don't buy cause they are crap, and wouldn't play even if they were free, see the free section not worth your time.
merryMalfunctioning Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 If SkyUI is going paid, what does that mean for mods like Apropos that use features from the new version? I know they don't require the new version of SkyUI to actually be installed, but they do include code from the new SkyUI, do they not? Will Apropos and Sexlab Aroused be losing their awesome new widgets?
aqqh Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 My predictions for Sky UI. 1. Sky UI 5.0 goes up on Steam 2. Sky UI doesn't make enough money because of modder backlash This is very unlikely. SkyUI is not like any other mod there. Because its there as both mod and resource for other mods. They will get their cut from every mod that has an MCM menu.
d4nt320 Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 My predictions for Sky UI. 1. Sky UI 5.0 goes up on Steam 2. Sky UI doesn't make enough money because of modder backlash 3. Valve takes whatever money Sky UI makes (because you have to get a certain amount before they start paying modders). 4. Sky UI team tries to take their mod down 5. Valve claims Sky UI as its own and won't take it down 6. Valve goes after any free versions of Sky UI (including the older Nexus Version) and forces them to be taken down Does this sound about right? 6 is...unlikely to happen. You cannot sign off rights retroactively. Valve does not and will never have any exclusive rights to SkyUI 4, since it was distributed elsewhere before having a business agreement with them. They can of course take down SkyUI 4 from Nexus voluntarily, but Valve cannot force them to. Heh, they've already done it with Chesko. As I understand it, steam has not done that with Chesko. They took the relevant mods (Arissa and fishing) off the sales list as he asked, you can't buy them anymore. Chesko seems to be spitting chunks that they wouldn't stop players who had already bought it from having continued access to it. I'm against this whole monetisation of mods myself; I see nothing but bad things coming from this debacle. However, this particular accusation against Steam refusing to honour Chesko's requests seems unfair - they're doing as he asks, but simply stating they won't cut off people from content they had already purchased. * Even if I supported the monetisation of mods, steam workshop is the last place I'd go. Refuse to use it. I want to manage my mods myself. Who have Power,Money and all the Law with him STEAM Who can and going to take you work STEAM. That it is why is risky to put your mod and steam workshop.
Dinosaurus Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 My predictions for Sky UI. 1. Sky UI 5.0 goes up on Steam 2. Sky UI doesn't make enough money because of modder backlash This is very unlikely. SkyUI is not like any other mod there. Because its there as both mod and resource for other mods. They will get their cut from every mod that has an MCM menu. How? Does Steam have a function set up that way for modders to pay other modders royalties if one mod relies on another? Say i make a mod that uses SkyUI function and put it for sale on the Steam Workshop.. how does SkyUI people get a cut of my sales? i haven't heard of any method in which Steam gives some of my profits to SkyUI-people? Is it just an honour's system in yoru mind? Do i just write SkyUI a cheque every month?
merryMalfunctioning Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 My predictions for Sky UI. 1. Sky UI 5.0 goes up on Steam 2. Sky UI doesn't make enough money because of modder backlash This is very unlikely. SkyUI is not like any other mod there. Because its there as both mod and resource for other mods.They will get their cut from every mod that has an MCM menu. How? Does Steam have a function set up that way for modders to pay other modders royalties if one mod relies on another? Say i make a mod that uses SkyUI function and put it for sale on the Steam Workshop.. how does SkyUI people get a cut of my sales? i haven't heard of any method in which Steam gives some of my profits to SkyUI-people? Is it just an honour's system in yoru mind? Do i just write SkyUI a cheque every month? If your mod calls a SkyUI function, then anyone who runs your mod will need to buy SkyUI. So even if your mod is free, you are fueling demand for SkyUI and putting money in their pockets.
azoth1267 Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 My predictions for Sky UI. 1. Sky UI 5.0 goes up on Steam 2. Sky UI doesn't make enough money because of modder backlash This is very unlikely. SkyUI is not like any other mod there. Because its there as both mod and resource for other mods. They will get their cut from every mod that has an MCM menu. Yeah... not really sure how i feel about this honestly. On the one hand its great because SkyUI is an essential mod, and the paywall versions crafting ui is something im sure many of us have been waiting for, so there is that. On the other hand, this just supports the notion that the system works and will just encourage more of this kinda crap from valve. I suppose i can just hope and pray that many of these mods and modders will eventually post the mods/updates/whatever somewhere other than steam, cause i sure as hell wont be lining valves pockets with this.
d4nt320 Posted April 25, 2015 Posted April 25, 2015 see this is crazy http://www.reddit.com/r/skyrimmods/comments/33pw0t/licensing_and_mods_coming_from_a_gamer_with_a_bit/ is about ownership of your mod: i hope this not get to bad for moddders because who going to win in a court against STEAM they have alot of money and you have none of the Zero they have.
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