Sanguine Debauchery (SD+) (January 2025)

[jfraser]

 

 

That's not your actual load order, is it? As in, the order your mods load?

Sort of, it is reveresed.

If you look at that list, my load order is first at bottom, last on top.

Sorry, I should have mentioned that.

Even reversed you have things out of order. You have three Sexlab mods firing before the Sexlab framework and devious expansion before the mod it is expanding. I'm surprised you're able to start the game at all. Did you run LOOT?

[dinomagick]

Alas... PC still cannot get past the perma-arm bindings and "harness of no release"..  No matter how I make her "please her master" or do all the things to make him release her.. I even toned down all the settings and frankly, the 'reward' is not equal to the 'effort' anymore....  

It was great when it was mostly about slavery and torture, but the armbindings and BDSM stuff look too out of place and are way too difficult to debug and get off unless you have one extra mod or another.

 

SD has become too much of a chore...  Both in troubleshooting and playing.. 

[CliftonJD]

 

 

 

That's not your actual load order, is it? As in, the order your mods load?

Sort of, it is reveresed.

If you look at that list, my load order is first at bottom, last on top.

Sorry, I should have mentioned that.

Even reversed you have things out of order. You have three Sexlab mods firing before the Sexlab framework and devious expansion before the mod it is expanding. I'm surprised you're able to start the game at all. Did you run LOOT?

 

LOOT is what gave me the load order, though it is the one that is built in to MO, and it may be outdated. I have the standalone, and will see if that changes anything.

 

*EDIT* Used LOOT Standalone and it didn't change anything, so I customized it myself. Here is the new load order, first on top, last on bottom.

#FIRST

USKP

Dawnguard

UDGP

HearthFires

UHFP

Dragonborn

UDBP

Sky UI

FNIS Behavior

FNIS Spells

FNIS Output

FNIS Creature Output

XPMD Skeleton

CBBE

3 2 Perfect

Papyrus

SL Framework

Fus Ro Doh

SL Aroused

SOS

SL Defeat

SL WorkingGirl

Zaz Animations Main

Zaz Animations Textures - Now enabled, wasn't before for some reason, think that is where my texture issue was coming from.

DD Assests

DD Expansion

DD Intergration

DD Loading Screens

DA - YMOYL

HDT High Heels

Inner Wear Set for CBBE

Sweet and Sexy Lingerie 3

Convenient Horses

SD+ 2044

SD+ 2044 Addons

SD+ Patches

Brawl Bugs - Compatibility Edition

Xaz Prison Overhall

#LAST

*Follows same pattern, just .esm's come before .esp's* Except for the Unofficial Patches, left those alone.

**All most Current Versions**

 

get rid of mo, (Many have issues with it), go get the real Loot here:

http://loot.github.io/

Edit: missed yoour edit, maybe your loot is jst out of date

edit 2: papyrus log Might help, dunno

Edited September 23, 2014 by CliftonJD

[Trykz]

Alas... PC still cannot get past the perma-arm bindings and "harness of no release"..  No matter how I make her "please her master" or do all the things to make him release her.. I even toned down all the settings and frankly, the 'reward' is not equal to the 'effort' anymore....  

 

It was great when it was mostly about slavery and torture, but the armbindings and BDSM stuff look too out of place and are way too difficult to debug and get off unless you have one extra mod or another.

 

SD has become too much of a chore...  Both in troubleshooting and playing.. 

 

I stopped using it as soon as DD became a requirement.

 

I don't remember which version it was, but everything worked and it was rock solid stable for me for quite a while. It didn't require DD, but I don't think it's compatible with the current SexLab version

 

Trykz

[jfraser]

 

 

 

That's not your actual load order, is it? As in, the order your mods load?

Sort of, it is reveresed.

If you look at that list, my load order is first at bottom, last on top.

Sorry, I should have mentioned that.

Even reversed you have things out of order. You have three Sexlab mods firing before the Sexlab framework and devious expansion before the mod it is expanding. I'm surprised you're able to start the game at all. Did you run LOOT?

 

LOOT is what gave me the load order, though it is the one that is built in to MO, and it may be outdated. I have the standalone, and will see if that changes anything.

 

*EDIT* Used LOOT Standalone and it didn't change anything, so I customized it myself. Here is the new load order, first on top, last on bottom.

#FIRST

USKP

Dawnguard

UDGP

HearthFires

UHFP

Dragonborn

UDBP

Sky UI

FNIS Behavior

FNIS Spells

FNIS Output

FNIS Creature Output

XPMD Skeleton

CBBE

3 2 Perfect

Papyrus

SL Framework

Fus Ro Doh

SL Aroused

SOS

SL Defeat

SL WorkingGirl

Zaz Animations Main

Zaz Animations Textures - Now enabled, wasn't before for some reason, think that is where my texture issue was coming from.

DD Assests

DD Expansion

DD Intergration

DD Loading Screens

DA - YMOYL

HDT High Heels

Inner Wear Set for CBBE

Sweet and Sexy Lingerie 3

Convenient Horses

SD+ 2044

SD+ 2044 Addons

SD+ Patches

Brawl Bugs - Compatibility Edition

Xaz Prison Overhall

#LAST

*Follows same pattern, just .esm's come before .esp's* Except for the Unofficial Patches, left those alone.

**All most Current Versions**

 

 

That looks better, but Defeat should come after DA, and I would think that ZAZ should come before anything else SL related. But I could be wrong about that. 

[CliftonJD]

 

Alas... PC still cannot get past the perma-arm bindings and "harness of no release"..  No matter how I make her "please her master" or do all the things to make him release her.. I even toned down all the settings and frankly, the 'reward' is not equal to the 'effort' anymore....  

 

It was great when it was mostly about slavery and torture, but the armbindings and BDSM stuff look too out of place and are way too difficult to debug and get off unless you have one extra mod or another.

 

SD has become too much of a chore...  Both in troubleshooting and playing.. 

 

I stopped using it as soon as DD became a requirement.

 

I don't remember which version it was, but everything worked and it was rock solid stable for me for quite a while. It didn't require DD, but I don't think it's compatible with the current SexLab version

 

Trykz

 

that's sdplus2.03 and so far it seems compatible with the current sexlab, but i'm getting errors in papyrus from sexlab indicating i might be better to run this on a cleansave, not contaminated by previous sexlab to know for sure how things run

i'll do that eventually, but for now i'd like to see how much enjoyment i get from the current setup before retesting on a cleansave

i'm attaching the file for those of you ready for sd to become stable again

SDPlus203.zip

[Abominus]

Greetings,

 

I have a problem with sanguine. It is a female, but I want a male one.

Before I started SD+, I changed my male preference in Loverslab to gay.

[Vithiss]

Has Sanguine been female more than once?

 

There is, I think, a relatively small random chance of Sanguine appearing female (unless you enable gender exclusion in mcm, which is hetero so you'd get females always).

If it is happening for you constantly... try searching this particular forum (search function). It has come up in the past, so there might be something more useful.

[dinomagick]

 

Alas... PC still cannot get past the perma-arm bindings and "harness of no release"..  No matter how I make her "please her master" or do all the things to make him release her.. I even toned down all the settings and frankly, the 'reward' is not equal to the 'effort' anymore....  

 

It was great when it was mostly about slavery and torture, but the armbindings and BDSM stuff look too out of place and are way too difficult to debug and get off unless you have one extra mod or another.

 

SD has become too much of a chore...  Both in troubleshooting and playing.. 

 

I stopped using it as soon as DD became a requirement.

 

I don't remember which version it was, but everything worked and it was rock solid stable for me for quite a while. It didn't require DD, but I don't think it's compatible with the current SexLab version

 

Trykz

 

 

I didn't mind the bindings before, but the "You are allowed to do Nothing but Blowjob Sex" Harness and Black Latex Armbender's really break the feel of being a slave for a bunch of bandits or forsworn, or Orcs for that matter...  I know that SD is designed for players who like the more advanced BDSM stuff, but the only reason I really even used SD was if my toon was captured, there was a lore-friendly result that had a consequence but had a relatively challenging objective without making several long hours of play go to waste and not achieve anything worthwhile.

 

Four and a half hours (play time), and I still hadn't convinced my owner to release me from that damnable harness.  Yeah yeah.. I could cheat and use console commands, but whats the point then?   

 

Devious Devices are exactly as advertised, "Devious"... but totally overboard for Immersive style players...  Sadly....  I cannot mod, so who am I to complain really?  

 

If you are heavy into BDSM and can handle working hard, SD+ is right up your alley...

 

If you are looking for Slavery with a little BDSM in an Immersive setting... let me know what you find....

 

 

[CliftonJD]

Greetings,

 

I have a problem with sanguine. It is a female, but I want a male one.

Before I started SD+, I changed my male preference in Loverslab to gay.

 

 

Has Sanguine been female more than once?

 

There is, I think, a relatively small random chance of Sanguine appearing female (unless you enable gender exclusion in mcm, which is hetero so you'd get females always).

If it is happening for you constantly... try searching this particular forum (search function). It has come up in the past, so there might be something more useful.

actually it sounds more like its already set for hetero players (i play a female character and have had male sanguine everytime for months)

the mcm tells you down below that setting for "gender exclusion" is for enslavement purposes

[Vithiss]

I think this is what I was remembering. But it is from quite a while ago.

 

 

 

Any way to turn female Sanguine male?

The selection of Sanguine's gender is based on your gender preference in SD's menu.

If Sanguine is female, it means:

- your PC is male and you have selected opposite sex only or no preference
- your PC is female and you have selected same sex gender preference

So the only way to change Sanguine's sex is to either change the gender of your PC or change your gender preference.

An item on my to do list is to make Sanguine's appearance more dynamic and make his gender change while the game is running (while respecting gender preferences for sex), but that feature is not available yet.

Hmm...my character is female and I have Gender restriction set to Opposit Only.

 

 

Then something went wrong.

 

 

 

Can you think of any reason why SD could think your PC is male instead?

 

Did you set the gender preference before clicking on BEGIN?

[galgat]

 

 

Alas... PC still cannot get past the perma-arm bindings and "harness of no release"..  No matter how I make her "please her master" or do all the things to make him release her.. I even toned down all the settings and frankly, the 'reward' is not equal to the 'effort' anymore....  

 

It was great when it was mostly about slavery and torture, but the armbindings and BDSM stuff look too out of place and are way too difficult to debug and get off unless you have one extra mod or another.

 

SD has become too much of a chore...  Both in troubleshooting and playing.. 

 

I stopped using it as soon as DD became a requirement.

 

I don't remember which version it was, but everything worked and it was rock solid stable for me for quite a while. It didn't require DD, but I don't think it's compatible with the current SexLab version

 

Trykz

 

 

I didn't mind the bindings before, but the "You are allowed to do Nothing but Blowjob Sex" Harness and Black Latex Armbender's really break the feel of being a slave for a bunch of bandits or forsworn, or Orcs for that matter...  I know that SD is designed for players who like the more advanced BDSM stuff, but the only reason I really even used SD was if my toon was captured, there was a lore-friendly result that had a consequence but had a relatively challenging objective without making several long hours of play go to waste and not achieve anything worthwhile.

 

Four and a half hours (play time), and I still hadn't convinced my owner to release me from that damnable harness.  Yeah yeah.. I could cheat and use console commands, but whats the point then?   

 

Devious Devices are exactly as advertised, "Devious"... but totally overboard for Immersive style players...  Sadly....  I cannot mod, so who am I to complain really?  

 

If you are heavy into BDSM and can handle working hard, SD+ is right up your alley...

 

If you are looking for Slavery with a little BDSM in an Immersive setting... let me know what you find....

 

 

Yes I have started to see DD as sometime's maybe being just a little overpowering, and mods that use it as a dependancy become caught up not only in there own mistakes, but also having to make there stuff work with any inconsistancy in DD.

 

   I like DD very much, but It has maybe started to become a little to complex, and sometimes hard to configure for.

 

   I have seen a trend of complaints in many threads to modder's and many of these are faults caused by the implimentation of DD into there mods.

  You know as far as forcing and equipment of and Item, and making it stay on that is easy, effect are not that hard either to set up randomly, and use either if you want.

 

here is simple code on player alias a global could be used instead of quest stage very easy. To keep and item equiped on the player.

Event OnObjectUnequipped(Form akBaseObject, ObjectReference akReference)
    if akBaseObject as Armor
        if (!PlayerREF.IsEquipped(GGXX_Chastity01Anim)) && GGXX_WizardWeb.GetStage() >= 50 && GGXX_WizardWeb.GetStage() < 67
            Debug.Trace("This actor just unequipped a piece of armor! stage 50 to 66")
            playerRef.EquipItemEx(GGXX_Chastity01Anim, 49, True, false ) ;force slot49, true=Cannot remove, False=(no message)&no sound

this just a slice from my code for a mod I am working on, but it shows how there is no real way to remove this item unless the stage is met. or if you used a Global instead of quest stage the value was changed.

  

But here is the rub to do this, and stay compatable with DD I will have to make DD a dependancy, for easy checking or use form checking of DD, and this will compound any thing I try to do. Keeping a constant memory of all DD keywords, and checking for them. I will also have to add DD key words to my items so that DD is able to see them. ( Most of these can be added from Zaz, which is a very fine, pretty much non conflicting resource)

 

To some extend DD is Pigeonholing some of what modder's can do, if they wish to stay compatable.

 

 

Please understand DD is a great mod resource, but it can also be a road block, I like it very much, but it like all mods has its self inflicting problem ability.

[aspirine2]

 

 

bump..

1-game freezes to black screen after loading a save after visiting the Sanguine realm for the first time?                                       {  fixed this }

2-beside why i 'm getting your prayers goes unanswered (notification) after clicking pray to the gods ? shouldn't i be teleported  to the dream realm..!!

 

3-and how can i adjust my MCM to go directly to the dream realm instead of anything else, but in the same time is it possible to not to disable the SD enslavement at the alternate death settings 

 

 

Using the K-key option "pray to the gods" will usually only work when your health is low according to past posts here on the forum.

 

There are two places in DA's MCM where you can set dreamworld options, OnBlackout and OnDeath. From what I can tell, what you want is to disable the dreamworld option in OnBlackout events, and disable the other two options in OnDeath events. Enslavement events are all triggered OnBlackout, so pick the SD+ and other options you want on that page and disable the ones you don't.

 

great done all that and when the DA start pc lay on the ground waiting for somthing to happen but nothing happen..i don't even get notification about if prayers got accepted or not..should i start a new game ??

[lolcat]

I recently earned enough gold for the quest to end, but the master had no dialogue options to end slavery. Asking how I did resulted in a screen with a negative relationship, and 0 gold left. Is this a bug, or is it the case that I have to fulfill the gold requirement AND have positive relationship with the master?

[jfraser]

I think this is what I was remembering. But it is from quite a while ago.

 

 

 

 

 

Any way to turn female Sanguine male?

The selection of Sanguine's gender is based on your gender preference in SD's menu.

 

If Sanguine is female, it means:

 

- your PC is male and you have selected opposite sex only or no preference

- your PC is female and you have selected same sex gender preference

 

So the only way to change Sanguine's sex is to either change the gender of your PC or change your gender preference.

 

An item on my to do list is to make Sanguine's appearance more dynamic and make his gender change while the game is running (while respecting gender preferences for sex), but that feature is not available yet.

Hmm...my character is female and I have Gender restriction set to Opposit Only.

Then something went wrong.

 

 

 

Can you think of any reason why SD could think your PC is male instead?

 

Did you set the gender preference before clicking on BEGIN?

This happened because I was using Skyrim Unbound and started SD while still in Unbound's start menu. The game assumes the player is male until the race menu proves otherwise (as is clearly demonstrable if you coc to somewhere before starting a game.)

 

If you're using Skyrim Unbound, wait until you've entered the game before activating SD.

[Hanshin]

works fine without problems, after you setup your da options fine. question is can my followers be enslaved alongside my character like serana etc?

[CliftonJD]

 

 

 

bump..

1-game freezes to black screen after loading a save after visiting the Sanguine realm for the first time?                                       {  fixed this }

2-beside why i 'm getting your prayers goes unanswered (notification) after clicking pray to the gods ? shouldn't i be teleported  to the dream realm..!!

 

3-and how can i adjust my MCM to go directly to the dream realm instead of anything else, but in the same time is it possible to not to disable the SD enslavement at the alternate death settings 

 

 

Using the K-key option "pray to the gods" will usually only work when your health is low according to past posts here on the forum.

 

There are two places in DA's MCM where you can set dreamworld options, OnBlackout and OnDeath. From what I can tell, what you want is to disable the dreamworld option in OnBlackout events, and disable the other two options in OnDeath events. Enslavement events are all triggered OnBlackout, so pick the SD+ and other options you want on that page and disable the ones you don't.

 

great done all that and when the DA start pc lay on the ground waiting for somthing to happen but nothing happen..i don't even get notification about if prayers got accepted or not..should i start a new game ??

 

 

this is because he's had you disable everything, that doesn't make sense to disable it all - when you wanted on dreamworld events, the menus allowing dreamworld are the only menus that should be altered and dreamworld should be left Enabled

works fine without problems, after you setup your da options fine. question is can my followers be enslaved alongside my character like serana etc?

yes, if the options in da are set correctly, i set mine to ignore followers and disable follower tracking and all slaves in the same area as me get enslaved

the modders will know this area as a cell, but the gamer won't see the cell's boundaries so in most cases all followers are enslaved, but occasionally during large combat outdoors, a follower ria can go chasing (for example) a vampire thrall, while playerr is  fighting the vampire master, follower lydia  is fighting the death hound near by, and follower aela is fighting the other death hound

next player gets enslaved along with aela and lydia, scene starts and player is punished

scene ends and ria comes back from chasing down and killing vampire's thrall "oh, hey there, i killed a bear yesterday, did you kill anything" - follower ria ran outside the cell

[DeepBlueFrog]

A few more days and I will be ready to return to LL on a regular basis.

[aspirine2]

thanx but still get no dream world visits ..??

[CliftonJD]

thanx but still get no dream world visits ..??

have you been enslaved yet, it should come with your first naptime after you escape slavery

[aspirine2]

 

thanx but still get no dream world visits ..??

have you been enslaved yet, it should come with your first naptime after you escape slavery

 

 no i 'l try it ..

[galgat]

yes you must be enslaved, and escape at least once, then sleep, and you should go to the dream world.

 

 

I had same problem with this, it is explained in the pdf, but I missed it, as I was in a hurry to play the mod, and just skimmed over it.

[DeepBlueFrog]

yes you must be enslaved, and escape at least once, then sleep, and you should go to the dream world.

 

 

I had same problem with this, it is explained in the pdf, but I missed it, as I was in a hurry to play the mod, and just skimmed over it.

 

That's correct... with the exception of Sanguine's Shrine.

 

If you can find the secret entrance and sleep in front of it, you are garanteed a visit to uncle Sanguine.

[Buffmutti]

Well, i went back to SD 2.03, just to get rid of the need for DD. DD is still installed, just in case i want some nice collars and cuffs. Of course i started a new game and then i was surprised. You remember that i complained about aggressive animations being stuck in stage 1? I assumed that its a bug from Estrus+, the only thing which i didn't know was how i could have a bug from Estrus+ even without a installed Estrus+ mod. Well, the bug is gone. After installing SD 2.03 the bug just disappeared.

 

I think that nobody else had this bug, so i guess it has to be my skyrim, this mixture from several mods plus SD 2.04 and above "produces" this bug on my computer. I think its impossible to know which combination of mods makes my skyrim unique, so i will just try every new version of SD and check if the bug appears again.

 

[galgat]

Well, i went back to SD 2.03, just to get rid of the need for DD. DD is still installed, just in case i want some nice collars and cuffs. Of course i started a new game and then i was surprised. You remember that i complained about aggressive animations being stuck in stage 1? I assumed that its a bug from Estrus+, the only thing which i didn't know was how i could have a bug from Estrus+ even without a installed Estrus+ mod. Well, the bug is gone. After installing SD 2.03 the bug just disappeared.

 

I think that nobody else had this bug, so i guess it has to be my skyrim, this mixture from several mods plus SD 2.04 and above "produces" this bug on my computer. I think its impossible to know which combination of mods makes my skyrim unique, so i will just try every new version of SD and check if the bug appears again.

 

I am sure you have done it, but if not, cleaning your .ess file (Saved Game) is nearly and every few play sessions necessity  Most people use Savetool, and it is very good, but to get to the root of some problems you may have to use "PDTWrapper" Papyrus Scrip scalpel ("Well worth learning how to use") (Its interface can be a little daunting)

 

http://www.nexusmods...im/mods/53045/?

 

It is not as hard to use as you would think for standard fixes, and is way more powerful than "savegamecleaner"

 

Study the makers info on how to use it well.

 

  It was the only way I could actually fix a few repeditive problems I had in my .ess. that were constantly showing up in the Save Log.

 

   With it I could actually completely remove SD, and then re-install it to the same save. I had to test that for the fun of it, and yes it did fine.