Sanguine Debauchery (SD+) (January 2025)

[jfraser]

Post your papyrus log and maybe we'll be able to narrow down the collision.

[Terronmalak]

is there a way/option to not have your character thrown in bonds like armbinders and gags when enslaved. i cant find any option as to turn that off. i find it really frustrating to have to press struggle 50 times in the hopes of removing an armbinder and then try and remove all the 50 other things the master equips me with.

[shadow866]

is there a way/option to not have your character thrown in bonds like armbinders and gags when enslaved. i cant find any option as to turn that off. i find it really frustrating to have to press struggle 50 times in the hopes of removing an armbinder and then try and remove all the 50 other things the master equips me with.

 

Nope no option to remove it but. If your Owner likes  you enough at a later point he might remove them for you. Thats kinda the point of enslavement. Restrict your movement else you can just pickpocket the key in a few seconds and escape.

[CliftonJD]

I am having this issue where the Owner that used to be an enemy before they kicked my ass and were supposed to enslave me sheathes their weapon when I black out from the horrific ass beating and then starts attacking me again when I wake up a few seconds later.  It seems like their aggression is still up, and so the AI still thinks my character is an enemy that needs to be attacked.  If I start running from my Owner, then the script seems to kick in, and I get stripped down and bound.  Is there any way to fix this?  Maybe a setting to make the bleed out or blackout last longer?  Maybe make the Owner have the Calm spell effect to remove their aggression so that they don't kill their new slave?

 

A second issue that I am having is that I cannot install any quest mods because they all seem to break SD+.  This is a source of some disappointment, as I had hoped to play some of them alongside SD+.  My guess is that the quest mods add new factions that SD+ doesn't recognize, which somehow causes the enslavement script to completely break.  Any thoughts on this?  I have tried Moon and Star, Moonpath to Elswyr, Quest: Into the Depths, and several others.

seconds in realtime of blackout duration is adjustable thru death alt.

as for other mods breaking sd, sounds like a weak rig or adjust graphics and close other programs to free momory and try loot for load order issues

[Visdagon]

There were 2 times that I killed the master and got the key from them. I was not able to remove all the gear I had locked on me (arms were free, thus i killed them). I think I also had whichever setting set to destroy keys on use, so I'm guessing I would have to turn that off to use the 1 key i get from them to remove 5 objects? I have not ran these mods separately so I don't know if scripts from one would overwrite such a setting. Can I make it so that the 1 key will remove all the stuff, or are there scripts in place that prevent their removal unless the Master removes them? I'd like a 'kill the master' option if there isn't one.

[dinomagick]

 

is there a way/option to not have your character thrown in bonds like armbinders and gags when enslaved. i cant find any option as to turn that off. i find it really frustrating to have to press struggle 50 times in the hopes of removing an armbinder and then try and remove all the 50 other things the master equips me with.

 

Nope no option to remove it but. If your Owner likes  you enough at a later point he might remove them for you. Thats kinda the point of enslavement. Restrict your movement else you can just pickpocket the key in a few seconds and escape.

 

 

Getting the owner to like you takes many, many hours... and he doesn't always remove the harness.... the harness and armbinder's have been a bane of my playing SD+ now.   I had to either console and remove them, (one does get tired of only being able to give blow-jobs) or spend the unrealistic time of going through hour after hour of playtime to even get him to take the armbinders off and STILL be stuck giving only blow jobs...

 

DD is the root of the problem for most people...  It is too restrictive and even at some of the lower difficulty settings, still takes a lot of time to receive a modicum of reward for one's efforts.

 

I am also a bit biased because I am more of an immersive player.. the armbinders, hoods and harnesses detract from the immersive feel of being a slave to bandits, forsworn or even Orcs... 

 

If there was at least an option to replace those horrible devices with cuffs, ropes or leather collars with a chain attached, that IMHO would be much preferred.... At least make it possible to have regular sex instead of the constant BJ animations that get pretty damn old after a few hours...

[DeepBlueFrog]

 

 

is there a way/option to not have your character thrown in bonds like armbinders and gags when enslaved. i cant find any option as to turn that off. i find it really frustrating to have to press struggle 50 times in the hopes of removing an armbinder and then try and remove all the 50 other things the master equips me with.

 

Nope no option to remove it but. If your Owner likes  you enough at a later point he might remove them for you. Thats kinda the point of enslavement. Restrict your movement else you can just pickpocket the key in a few seconds and escape.

 

 

Getting the owner to like you takes many, many hours... and he doesn't always remove the harness.... the harness and armbinder's have been a bane of my playing SD+ now.   I had to either console and remove them, (one does get tired of only being able to give blow-jobs) or spend the unrealistic time of going through hour after hour of playtime to even get him to take the armbinders off and STILL be stuck giving only blow jobs...

 

DD is the root of the problem for most people...  It is too restrictive and even at some of the lower difficulty settings, still takes a lot of time to receive a modicum of reward for one's efforts.

 

I am also a bit biased because I am more of an immersive player.. the armbinders, hoods and harnesses detract from the immersive feel of being a slave to bandits, forsworn or even Orcs... 

 

If there was at least an option to replace those horrible devices with cuffs, ropes or leather collars with a chain attached, that IMHO would be much preferred.... At least make it possible to have regular sex instead of the constant BJ animations that get pretty damn old after a few hours...

 

 

I am back to working on the next version (due at the end of the month).

 

In this update, harness and armbinders have been pushed into punishment items. This means they will be on for a limited amount of time (your master will remove them after a while). The default slavery items will visually be rope or iron cuffs.

 

If you happen to escape while wearing them, you will have to find someone to remove them for you. Smiths will give you more options to remove everything depending of their skill.

 

Regarding master keys, they should remove everything except the collar. There is a small chance the key will break while opening the collar (not very realistic I know, but I wanted to add some challenge instead of clearing up everything).

[Nepro]

 

 

I have been running SD+ and Defeat together, along with DA-YMOYL. When assaulted by multiple assailants my character would be frozen on the ground, I could look around but not move. Access inventory but no actions involving in mobility, and I would be stuck like that till I reloaded. Problem is, I do not know which of those 3 mods is causing it. I'm willing to bet a lot of the people that post problems also are running the same setup or one similar like SD+/DA/Submit, and don't know which mods are giving the problem. I am guess that now that SD+ requires DA that it no longer handles death and bleedout and leaves that to DA and takes over when its finished, so my particular issue would likely be with SD+ or Defeat. Or maybe they don't play nice together, which would be a shame. If there are conflicts that can arise from them being run together some integration options might be a good idea, I think a lot of people that use one will use the other.

SD and Defeat both use DA's scenarios system. They both work well together, but you have to make sure Defeat is using DA's options (in Defeat menu).

It also helps to adjust DA's own settings to make things go more smoothly (there are many posts about that in the last few pages of this thread).

 

Submit is still on its own, so it can be incompatible depending on your choice of options.

 

If you get stuck in place, try the surrender key (K) from SD. It is designed to get you unstuck regardless of the option you click on when the menu appears.

Submit progression now has DA integration as well. I run all three with few problems.

 

 

I can confirm that also.

 

Morferous, on 01 Oct 2014 - 04:52 AM, said:

        Nepro, on 30 Sept 2014 - 8:02 PM, said:

        For some reason when the player escapes from master other people won't take off armbinder even if they agree so. They ask what do they get in return for freeing player. Neither money nor sex works. When player offered sex after the sex the player was still bound by armbinder.

    Are you using Inte's Sanguine's Debauchery Patches? This would in intended behavior with the mod.

Yes I am using SD patch http://www.loverslab.com/files/file/1386-sanguine%E2%80%99s-debauchery-patches/

 

So the patch fix makes it impossible to free yourself on your own? I have to kill the master or steal the keys or work for freedom (servitude quest)?

 

 

[shinji72]

 

 

Submit progression now has DA integration as well. I run all three with few problems.

 

I can confirm that also.

 

 

 

Are you sure? There is nothing about DA in the submit changelog

[nameless701]

 

 

 

Submit progression now has DA integration as well. I run all three with few problems.

 

I can confirm that also.

 

 

 

Are you sure? There is nothing about DA in the submit changelog

 

sure!  (Submit + Devious Devices Progression Mod)

 

[jfraser]

 

 

 

Submit progression now has DA integration as well. I run all three with few problems.

 

I can confirm that also.

 

 

 

Are you sure? There is nothing about DA in the submit changelog

 

 

Maybe you're looking at a different version.

 

Submit + Devious Devices Progression Mod 1.70 BETA

 

What's New in Version 1.70 BETA (See full changelog)

• 1.70 BETA
• - Added Support for Death Alternative Framework (Needs feedback)
• -- If DA is installed AS and Hardcore bindings will be disabled
• - Added Info page to MCM
• * Hardcore bindings support for DA

[Visdagon]

This time around everything seems to be working well. One thing thats odd is that I asked Kharjo to 'help me get away from my master', he says "Lets go". What happens is that my master becomes hostile and Kharjo runs like a bitch. Thanks Kharjo.

[shinji72]

 

 

 

 

Submit progression now has DA integration as well. I run all three with few problems.

 

I can confirm that also.

 

 

 

Are you sure? There is nothing about DA in the submit changelog

 

 

Maybe you're looking at a different version.

 

Submit + Devious Devices Progression Mod 1.70 BETA

 

What's New in Version 1.70 BETA (See full changelog)

• 1.70 BETA
• - Added Support for Death Alternative Framework (Needs feedback)
• -- If DA is installed AS and Hardcore bindings will be disabled
• - Added Info page to MCM
• * Hardcore bindings support for DA

 

 

Ah that's it. Thanks.

[asheevee]

Any word on "chores" or things for your owners to have you do?  I'd love to be forced to cook and clean for them somehow.  Have something to do other than just sit and wait for the next time I try to escape or persuade him.

[jfraser]

Any word on "chores" or things for your owners to have you do? I'd love to be forced to cook and clean for them somehow. Have something to do other than just sit and wait for the next time I try to escape or persuade him.

That's the kind of thing Skyrimll is going to be working on. Yay!

[Leowulf]

 

I am having this issue where the Owner that used to be an enemy before they kicked my ass and were supposed to enslave me sheathes their weapon when I black out from the horrific ass beating and then starts attacking me again when I wake up a few seconds later.  It seems like their aggression is still up, and so the AI still thinks my character is an enemy that needs to be attacked.  If I start running from my Owner, then the script seems to kick in, and I get stripped down and bound.  Is there any way to fix this?  Maybe a setting to make the bleed out or blackout last longer?  Maybe make the Owner have the Calm spell effect to remove their aggression so that they don't kill their new slave?

 

A second issue that I am having is that I cannot install any quest mods because they all seem to break SD+.  This is a source of some disappointment, as I had hoped to play some of them alongside SD+.  My guess is that the quest mods add new factions that SD+ doesn't recognize, which somehow causes the enslavement script to completely break.  Any thoughts on this?  I have tried Moon and Star, Moonpath to Elswyr, Quest: Into the Depths, and several others.

seconds in realtime of blackout duration is adjustable thru death alt.

as for other mods breaking sd, sounds like a weak rig or adjust graphics and close other programs to free momory and try loot for load order issues

 

 

My rig isn't cutting edge, but it's more than fast enough to run most games.  I don't think it's an issue with PC power.

 

I do run a lot of mods.  I have 139 esp or esm files activated right now.  I tried using LOOT, and it helped to a point, after which, it made my performance worse, and I had to manually correct its loading order, as it was doing funny things, like loading dawnguard and dragonborn patch esps for mods well before the main esp and even before other esps for other mods that depended upon the main esp, which was loaded after that dependent mod, for some reason I do not understand.  Switching it to a load order that made more sense after LOOT was done fixing and then fucking it up improved performance.  LOOT crashes most of the time when I use it now anyway, so it has probably served its purpose for me.

 

I'll try to adjust the seconds of blackout to see if it helps.

 

Seeing that skyrimll is working on the mod again makes me happy and hopeful that the next release will fix some of the issues I have seen.  A Halloween release seems somehow appropriate.

 

[kaylee]

Hi, i keep getting "SA SD Dreamworld event failed" messages can anyone help?

[DeepBlueFrog]

Hi, i keep getting "SA SD Dreamworld event failed" messages can anyone help?

 

Have you beed enslaved and released at least once already?

[kaylee]

 

Hi, i keep getting "SA SD Dreamworld event failed" messages can anyone help?

 

Have you beed enslaved and released at least once already?

 

No not yet, is it required to get the message to stop scrolling by? i have the sanguine is watching active though.

[DeepBlueFrog]

 

 

Hi, i keep getting "SA SD Dreamworld event failed" messages can anyone help?

 

Have you beed enslaved and released at least once already?

 

No not yet, is it required to get the message to stop scrolling by? i have the sanguine is watching active though.

 

 

That message should be only in your logs, not on your screen.

If it is displayed on your screen, make sure you have the latest version of the mod. 

 

Other than that, yes - you need to visit Dreamworld once to have that DS event work as expected.

For that, you need to have been enslaved once, released and then sleep.

[kaylee]

 

 

 

Hi, i keep getting "SA SD Dreamworld event failed" messages can anyone help?

 

Have you beed enslaved and released at least once already?

 

No not yet, is it required to get the message to stop scrolling by? i have the sanguine is watching active though.

 

 

That message should be only in your logs, not on your screen.

If it is displayed on your screen, make sure you have the latest version of the mod. 

 

Other than that, yes - you need to visit Dreamworld once to have that DS event work as expected.

For that, you need to have been enslaved once, released and then sleep.

 

Thank you for the quick response and help, i have the latest version but it pops up in chat, i just got it working, after im free event procs normally, thank you for the help <3 i love this mod.

[DeepBlueFrog]

Question for advanced players.

 

I am working on fixing voluntary submission and restoring the submission key.

 

My question: what would be a good choice for a key that is not used by half of the mods out there?

 

(Not K, not N,... what else?)

[Qbeez999]

Even when I get a message saying armbinder has been removed it stays on whether I struggle or NPC take it off. I am so frustarted.

[Pyrus]

Question for advanced players.

 

I am working on fixing voluntary submission and restoring the submission key.

 

My question: what would be a good choice for a key that is not used by half of the mods out there?

 

(Not K, not N,... what else?)

 

I switched it to back slash " \ " as I kept getting the daymoyl menu when hitting k to change actor for positioning in sexlab anims.  I don't seem to have any other mods using that key.

[Qbeez999]

Can someone please tell me how to unequip items with the console?