Sanguine Debauchery (SD+) (January 2025)

[DeepBlueFrog]

 

 

 

 

 

For some reason my character won't equip any cloths master gives her while enslaved and bound. Tried with new games, different installs. Any idea why??

 

Also DD_restrained isn't working at all. PC can talk too everybody including masters and NPCs while gagged.

this sounds like an issue with devious devices integration, chck for that in mcm to be sure its installed properly and chack that you have the DDassets version appropriate to the DDi you have installed

 

 

Yeah, I have the latest versions. Also mcm shows Devious devices menu. Everything appears to be in place. Previous SD+ gave me same problem (no cloth equip). In fact as soon as dd was integrated to sd+, the problem started for me. I am always installing the latest versions.. donno what im doing wrong...

 

ahh...think i understand better now the issue seems to be with actual clothing from master on a player using frostfall since dd was added to sd+, the new slave equip is DD and player won't stay warm wearing DD...

 

hope skyrimill has a solution to that and/or check that you have frostfall addon installed from the download page of sd+ and that its detected in the sd+ mcm

 

 

I have SD20 addons installed. I don't have frostfall. Should removing the sd20addons solve the issue? But I think I did it before... it probably did not change anything.

The cloth master gives just goes to the inventory, does not get equipped. Also the dialog option "Give me something... or I will freeze to death..." is always there. THat means the game is detecting the player naked all the same. The cloth just does not equip.

 

 

 

So nobody else is having this problem? No one has  any idea? weird....

 

 

It is a known issue and it has nothing to do with DD. It started happening before I added Devious Devices.

Hopefully it will be fixed while I work on master / slaves interactions (which should contain a better way for your master to select outfits to wear).

[Emerain]

 

I couldn't see if this has been answered already, critical google failure, but I can't seem to buy out of enslavement?  The quest updates when I give 'master' enough gold, but never seems to progress past that point.

 

I have only done the buy out a few times, but just paying the money is not enough, you still have to finish I think a three day enslavement before you ever get released.

 

I think might need a little more explaining in the mod, I had trouble understanding that too.

 

 

There must be some other condition I am missing, or the quest is just broken, cause I waited for about a week and the dialog to get freed still hasn't come up.  I might try updating to the latest version, see if that fixes it, since one came out since I started this save. Only reason I hadn't already is bad things happen when I update mods, for the most part. 

[ssdd2014]

 

 

 

 

 

 

For some reason my character won't equip any cloths master gives her while enslaved and bound. Tried with new games, different installs. Any idea why??

 

Also DD_restrained isn't working at all. PC can talk too everybody including masters and NPCs while gagged.

this sounds like an issue with devious devices integration, chck for that in mcm to be sure its installed properly and chack that you have the DDassets version appropriate to the DDi you have installed

 

 

Yeah, I have the latest versions. Also mcm shows Devious devices menu. Everything appears to be in place. Previous SD+ gave me same problem (no cloth equip). In fact as soon as dd was integrated to sd+, the problem started for me. I am always installing the latest versions.. donno what im doing wrong...

 

ahh...think i understand better now the issue seems to be with actual clothing from master on a player using frostfall since dd was added to sd+, the new slave equip is DD and player won't stay warm wearing DD...

 

hope skyrimill has a solution to that and/or check that you have frostfall addon installed from the download page of sd+ and that its detected in the sd+ mcm

 

 

I have SD20 addons installed. I don't have frostfall. Should removing the sd20addons solve the issue? But I think I did it before... it probably did not change anything.

The cloth master gives just goes to the inventory, does not get equipped. Also the dialog option "Give me something... or I will freeze to death..." is always there. THat means the game is detecting the player naked all the same. The cloth just does not equip.

 

 

 

So nobody else is having this problem? No one has  any idea? weird....

 

 

It is a known issue and it has nothing to do with DD. It started happening before I added Devious Devices.

Hopefully it will be fixed while I work on master / slaves interactions (which should contain a better way for your master to select outfits to wear).

 

 

Oh. thanks! Waiting with baited breath for more awesomeness to come!

 

[SullenMan]

BUG - after whip punishment SD breaks armbinders script... and PC can not play the animation-related devious devices.

[JahReit]

 

 

I couldn't see if this has been answered already, critical google failure, but I can't seem to buy out of enslavement?  The quest updates when I give 'master' enough gold, but never seems to progress past that point.

 

I have only done the buy out a few times, but just paying the money is not enough, you still have to finish I think a three day enslavement before you ever get released.

 

I think might need a little more explaining in the mod, I had trouble understanding that too.

 

 

There must be some other condition I am missing, or the quest is just broken, cause I waited for about a week and the dialog to get freed still hasn't come up.  I might try updating to the latest version, see if that fixes it, since one came out since I started this save. Only reason I hadn't already is bad things happen when I update mods, for the most part. 

 

If you've been bad, then Santa will not give you the dialog.  If you are enslaved outside then you will most likely never get it because of "Master" running off the kill the horrible rabbit invasion causing you to lose points.

[Emerain]

 

If you've been bad, then Santa will not give you the dialog.  If you are enslaved outside then you will most likely never get it because of "Master" running off the kill the horrible rabbit invasion causing you to lose points.

 

 

 

Oh.  That makes sense.  Derp.

[SullenMan]

http://www.loverslab.com/topic/19890-vigilant-of-stendarr-005-outfit/page-5 can broken the SD and DD script?

[NNS10]

 

If I don't "Start" the mod (Sanguine is watching), will enslavement not work correctly?

 

I'm using DA, Defeat, and SD+ (Sanguine NOT watching). Enslavement can initiate through DA, but it always seems buggy (e.g. sometimes I can hear the restraints being reapplied constantly, sometimes my character continues to be attacked after being enslaved, etc). Is it because Sanguine needs to be watching? Is it just the way SD+ behaves? Or something else?

 

 

 

Most of the issues I have seen come from parts of the mod I am currently rewriting (broken quest to pay for your freedom for example) or unexpected interactions with a handful of mods (SPERG, submit or Deviously Helpless).

I also am using SPERG. I saw the first post about the invisible fist issue causing issues with enslavement. What is the invisible fist? And does it automatically become an issue when your weapons are stripped?

Sperg has an unarmed component. In order to achieve this, it "equips" your unarmed hands with what amounts to invisible weapons. There is a setting to disable them automatically equipping somewhere in the MCM. It's been awhile since I used it, but Skyrimll gave full instructions just a few posts ago on this topic and I'm certain someone more knowledgable will come along any moment with more useful instructions.

 

 

Looks like my problem is unrelated to SPERG. I set the invisible fists to disabled.

 

Whether Death Alternative triggers Defeat or SD+, enemies will keep attacking me. Anyone hear of this issue before? What is the likely cause?

 

[bjornk]

Could anyone share a working Death Alternative, Defeat and SD+ settings with me? I've set mine as described in the manual, but it doesn't work, I die half of the time, and in the other half only Defeat's bleedout scenario is run, enslavement never triggers.

 

BTW, I'm trying to get enslaved by the vampire thrall at some place which is featured in one of Shinji72's videos (somewhere in the Forsworn territory). I want to try both SD+'s and Death Alternative's enslavement scenarios.

[Vithiss]

Could anyone share a working Death Alternative, Defeat and SD+ settings with me? I've set mine as described in the manual, but it doesn't work, I die half of the time, and in the other half only Defeat's bleedout scenario is run, enslavement never triggers.

 

BTW, I'm trying to get enslaved by the vampire thrall at some place which is featured in one of Shinji72's videos (somewhere in the Forsworn territory). I want to try both SD+'s and Death Alternative's enslavement scenarios.

 

 

This works pretty well for me:

 

Defeat- NPCvsNPC is disabled. DA event chance set to 100%, theft event chance set to 0%. I leave all the other stuff at default/un-enabled.

 

SD+ - I run with all default settings, though make sure that the DA event chance is set to 100%, there were issues with that in the past, but not for me in a long while.

 

DA-

Page One: Bleedout only, leave the rest of that box alone. the other top box (where health buffer and essential player status options are) I leave default.

I turn the one hit kill option off (0%) I turn the damage multiplier for bleedout way up, to 7-8x. Starting with the selection beneath Blackout Duration, all those cooldown times, I reduce to minimums.

OnBleedout Page - turn off everything except Defeat

OnBlackout Page - turn off what you don't want to have happen, and/or raise the % of things that you do. Putting the SD events (enslavement, spriggan, dreamworld) at lower figures works well for me, I don't have any priorities set higher than 45, and scale down from there.

OnDeath Page - again, very much a matter of fine tuning, but, maximize the Friendly Event chance at the top of the page. It works in tandem with the Unfriendly Event chance, so you may want to adjust that one too.

 

If you want, specifically, to try one of the DA scenarios, set it's probability higher than anything else that -can- happen, or temporarily turn other options off.

 

I still have issues now and again, and have to go back a save and start something over, but this works for me. Hope it helps.

 

 

[DeepBlueFrog]

 

Could anyone share a working Death Alternative, Defeat and SD+ settings with me? I've set mine as described in the manual, but it doesn't work, I die half of the time, and in the other half only Defeat's bleedout scenario is run, enslavement never triggers.

 

BTW, I'm trying to get enslaved by the vampire thrall at some place which is featured in one of Shinji72's videos (somewhere in the Forsworn territory). I want to try both SD+'s and Death Alternative's enslavement scenarios.

 

 

This works pretty well for me:

 

Defeat- NPCvsNPC is disabled. DA event chance set to 100%, theft event chance set to 0%. I leave all the other stuff at default/un-enabled.

 

SD+ - I run with all default settings, though make sure that the DA event chance is set to 100%, there were issues with that in the past, but not for me in a long while.

 

DA-

Page One: Bleedout only, leave the rest of that box alone. the other top box (where health buffer and essential player status options are) I leave default.

I turn the one hit kill option off (0%) I turn the damage multiplier for bleedout way up, to 7-8x. Starting with the selection beneath Blackout Duration, all those cooldown times, I reduce to minimums.

OnBleedout Page - turn off everything except Defeat

OnBlackout Page - turn off what you don't want to have happen, and/or raise the % of things that you do. Putting the SD events (enslavement, spriggan, dreamworld) at lower figures works well for me, I don't have any priorities set higher than 45, and scale down from there.

OnDeath Page - again, very much a matter of fine tuning, but, maximize the Friendly Event chance at the top of the page. It works in tandem with the Unfriendly Event chance, so you may want to adjust that one too.

 

If you want, specifically, to try one of the DA scenarios, set it's probability higher than anything else that -can- happen, or temporarily turn other options off.

 

I still have issues now and again, and have to go back a save and start something over, but this works for me. Hope it helps.

 

 

 

 

Also, check out the Followers settings in DA.

 

I set mine to Dismiss or None depending of who is with me. Anything else will have them keep fighting for your safety and interfere with the enslavement process.

[bjornk]

Thank you both, but I think I'm going to need a bit more detail regarding the settings, maybe I should post some screenshots of my settings first...

 

I don't have any follower, by the way.

 

Update: 

 

Here is my pretty much messed up mod settings for DA, SD+, and Defeat. Just screenshots of MCM menus.

 

 

 

I'd really appreciate if you guys have a look at them and tell me what's wrong. It would be even better if you could post yours in the same way.

 

 

SD+

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Defeat

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Death Alternative

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Edited September 16, 2014 by bjornk

[Eth4rlad]

Did you read the PDF-Tutorial of SD+ ? It explains the settings pretty well. That being said i personally disabled Defeat because it continously fucked everything up.

 

- The priority of SD with "On Death" is set to Zero? Pretty sure vanilla is 80% or smth.

 

-"Perc. Health Large Hit" is 1000% - That's really fucking high. I could imagine that could kill you before the SD-scripts have a chance to trigger. I would set it to 200%

[Vithiss]

@bjornk

 

It looks like you are trying to use Defeat's features outside the DA framework, given your Defeat settings and that you have Defeat events disabled in DA's OnBleedout page. I dunno how to do that, I got it to work by only using DA stuff.

[bjornk]

Yes, I've read the PDF manual, but I couldn't make it work, so most of the screenshots above are a result of my futile experiments.

 

- The priority of SD with "On Death" is set to Zero? Pretty sure vanilla is 80% or smth.

Yes, that was 80% or something before IIRC, but the "default" is 0% so I decided to leave the value as 0%.

 

-"Perc. Health Large Hit" is 1000% - That's really fucking high. I could imagine that could kill you before the SD-scripts have a chance to trigger. I would set it to 200%

I'm a bit confused about what that setting does. Isn't 1000% supposed to protect you more?

 

I think it would be best if you could post screenshots of your own settings with your working setup, so I can compare them side by side.

[Eth4rlad]

 

-"Perc. Health Large Hit" is 1000% - That's really fucking high. I could imagine that could kill you before the SD-scripts have a chance to trigger. I would set it to 200%

I'm a bit confused about what that setting does. Isn't 1000% supposed to protect you more?

 

 

Oh dammit, you're right, i accidently mixed that slider up with Bleedout Damage Mult.. I'm sorry if i added to the confusion.

 

[bjornk]

@bjornk

 

It looks like you are trying to use Defeat's features outside the DA framework, given your Defeat settings and that you have Defeat events disabled in DA's OnBleedout page. I dunno how to do that, I got it to work by only using DA stuff.

Which features of Defeat specifically? I'm not very knowledgeable about Defeat TBH, any recommendations for Defeat settings?

[Vithiss]

Well, you can try this, it is what I do.

 

Go to the Player as Victim page in Defeat's menu and disable Wound, at the top left, it is enabled in your screenshot.

Then, go to DA event chance, about halfway down the right side, and raise it from the default 50% to 100%.

I don't know that Scenario makes a difference, but mine is Original which stops the fighting as soon as the PC goes down.

Then go to the Post Assault page and disable everything. (If you are using the DD mod MsLeeches (?) made you will need to keep the stealing percentage at the top of the page above 0 for that to work afaik).

 

This will turn all the mechanics over to DA as soon as you go into bleedout.

 

So, now go to the DA menus.

Follower - set to Dismiss (this will make your follower go away when you enter Blackout).

OnBleedout - enable Defeat and disable SD+ on this page, set Defeat's priority to 30+.

 

This should allow Defeat assaults to occur and when they are done.

Defeat works for me consistently with these settings and I haven't played around with enabling Defeat's internal options since it integrated with DA. My understanding is that those work best if you are not using DA. But, you can tinker from here.

 

[jfraser]

I know you're really busy, Skyrimll, but now that there is a strong skooma-addiction mod available, I'd like to request upping the number of times the player is forced to drink it.

[shinji72]

I've noticed that mod too.... Very good addiction system!

[shinji72]

Could anyone share a working Death Alternative, Defeat and SD+ settings with me? I've set mine as described in the manual, but it doesn't work, I die half of the time, and in the other half only Defeat's bleedout scenario is run, enslavement never triggers.

 

BTW, I'm trying to get enslaved by the vampire thrall at some place which is featured in one of Shinji72's videos (somewhere in the Forsworn territory). I want to try both SD+'s and Death Alternative's enslavement scenarios.

 

Since I've been nominated. let's give some suggestions  

That vampire lair you're mentioning is west of Rorikstead, walking uphill. It's a very small one. The Vampire capture module should work with any (or many other) vampire lair. So maybe you would rather be captured in a bigger dungeon, like the one in the fort south of Helgen. Or the redskooma den  in Riften.

If you use an ENB some effect will not display exactly as intended by the author (and you will see the "van Gogh effect" as in my video. I had the ENB on).

You you have SD+ coveted toggled on in the mcm menu... It's possible that some sexlab action will spontaneously happen during the regular DA regular enslavement. 

And thank you for watching!

[bjornk]

 

Could anyone share a working Death Alternative, Defeat and SD+ settings with me? I've set mine as described in the manual, but it doesn't work, I die half of the time, and in the other half only Defeat's bleedout scenario is run, enslavement never triggers.

 

BTW, I'm trying to get enslaved by the vampire thrall at some place which is featured in one of Shinji72's videos (somewhere in the Forsworn territory). I want to try both SD+'s and Death Alternative's enslavement scenarios.

 

Since I've been nominated. let's give some suggestions  

That vampire lair you're mentioning is west of Rorikstead, walking uphill. It's a very small one. The Vampire capture module should work with any (or many other) vampire lair. So maybe you would rather be captured in a bigger dungeon, like the one in the fort south of Helgen. Or the redskooma den  in Riften.

If you use an ENB some effect will not display exactly as intended by the author (and you will see the "van Gogh effect" as in my video. I had the ENB on).

You you have SD+ coveted toggled on in the mcm menu... It's possible that some sexlab action will spontaneously happen during the regular DA regular enslavement. 

And thank you for watching!

 

I was sidetracked by the Red Eagle quest and I thought, "well, since I'm here, why not try to become a vampire thrall like shinji did?" and that's when all my problems with SD/DA started. I've bookmarked your channel BTW, you've got some fun videos.

[bjornk]

Well, you can try this, it is what I do.

 

Go to the Player as Victim page in Defeat's menu and disable Wound, at the top left, it is enabled in your screenshot.

Then, go to DA event chance, about halfway down the right side, and raise it from the default 50% to 100%.

I don't know that Scenario makes a difference, but mine is Original which stops the fighting as soon as the PC goes down.

Then go to the Post Assault page and disable everything. (If you are using the DD mod MsLeeches (?) made you will need to keep the stealing percentage at the top of the page above 0 for that to work afaik).

 

This will turn all the mechanics over to DA as soon as you go into bleedout.

 

So, now go to the DA menus.

Follower - set to Dismiss (this will make your follower go away when you enter Blackout).

OnBleedout - enable Defeat and disable SD+ on this page, set Defeat's priority to 30+.

 

This should allow Defeat assaults to occur and when they are done.

Defeat works for me consistently with these settings and I haven't played around with enabling Defeat's internal options since it integrated with DA. My understanding is that those work best if you are not using DA. But, you can tinker from here.

I'm going to give this a try, but what about the DA's OnDeath page? I have no idea what those setting should be. And I think maybe I should try to disable Defeat first and then see if I can get enslaved with SD+ or at least start one of the DA quests.

[Vithiss]

Sorry I missed the OnDeath page. Disable DA Death and raise the SD option to 30+.

 

As for disabling Defeat for a bit, that's kind of what I did when the SD/DA version first came out. I'm not all that smart when it comes to this sort of thing, so, starting simple and adding on over time worked for me.

 

Edit: Oh! if you disable defeat, go back to your OnBleedout Page and enable the SD enslavement bleedout option, raise it's priority to 30+ and make sure that if defeat still shows up that it is disabled.

 

Edit2: If you want to try out one of the DA addon scenarios, I would suggest that you disable all of the other OnBlackout event options when you go into the dungeon of your choice.

 

 

[bjornk]

I've been trying your suggestions for the settings, but so far the results I've got were quite inconsistent. I've managed to start DA's Vampire Thrall quest once though. However, SD+'s enslavement never starts. My main problem is DA doesn't seem to prevent me from dying, I very rarely go into bleedout mode, I instantly die most of the time. Maybe it's some kind of script lag that doesn't let DA's scripts to run ontime, I don't know.