Devious Devices NG

[Frayed]

On 7/19/2025 at 9:42 PM, Prometheus999 said:

Thanks again. I couldn't find anything via TES5Edit and I don't use MO2 so I couldn't check that (I should probably just switch to it, but learning how to use a new mod manager is a bit much rn, so maybe another time). I did however (hopefully) finally get the logs you asked for, I did the rookie mistake of enabling logging in the .ini.txt file at first, that's why I mistakenly sent you the old logs.

Papyrus.0.log 136.81 kB · 1 download

 

Hm. Well, I'm afraid that log isn't giving much of a hint either. DD seems to initialize fine and isn't throwing out any errors or warnings (that are relevant to your problem). My best guess would be some kind of control confusion: the key for the contraption menu is set to whatever is your KB&M "activate" key when you get locked in the contraption. If that somehow gets a different key than what you actually use to activate stuff in game it won't get re-mapped until next time you are locked in a contraption. But tbh, that seems very far-fetched. I'm afraid I'm at a bit of a loss here :/. 

 

Does this happen on every contraption? Does it happen if you start a new game, or only on an existing save?

 

If you're not on MO I'm guessing you're using Vortex? I've never used Vortex myself, but I believe that it also has means to check for file conflicts so you might be able to check that.

[masterofgamespl]

Hey, I have a question, this shouldn't be happening right?

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Basically I think the physics of these chains are wonky, the one in the middle doesn't seem to behave with physics at all, thoughts what might be causing this?

[Anunya]

Are gag facial expressions supposed to work "out of the box" or are there any special actions you need to take to make them work in DDNG?

 

I have MfgFix, MfgFix NG, SL Smooth Expressions, Conditional Expressions, and Conditional Expressions Extended. I have DD 5.2, and DDNG 4.1. I'm on SexLab P+ 2.15, and AE 1.6.1170

 

The conditional expressions play as expected. If I equip a ZaZ Gag, I get facial expressions. But when I equip a DD gag, the mouth stays shut.

 

Is it working for other users?

[Herowynne]

6 hours ago, Anunya said:

Is it working for other users?

DD gags work for me on SE 1.5.97 with regular Sexlab (not P+) and I don’t use SL Smooth Expressions, but the rest is the same as what you listed.

[Anunya]

2 hours ago, Herowynne said:

DD gags work for me on SE 1.5.97 with regular Sexlab (not P+) and I don’t use SL Smooth Expressions, but the rest is the same as what you listed.

 

Thanks!

 

Turning Smooth Expressions off didn't do anything. I guess it's time to give regular Sex Lab a whirl in place of SLP+ (I really hope it's not a 1.6.1170 problem, because I'm pretty deep into this modlist; I'd hate to start over with 1.5.97 again).

 

Do you happen to have a good list of patches/ utilities to add to Sex Lab? Last I installed it, I recall having some version of SL Utility, SLATE, a grass patch, and a furniture framework (and SLAL, of course), but I think they were accumulated over a long period and I don't recall exactly what they were. If you have a satisfactory setup, I'd love to copy your notes.

[Herowynne]

5 hours ago, Anunya said:

SL Utility, SLATE, a grass patch, and a furniture framework

I don’t use any of those particular patches with Sexlab.

 

I investigated the grass patch and furniture framework but I chose not to use them because I was worried about compatibility.

 

I haven’t ever looked into SL Utility or SLATE.

 

Sexlab is slow to start a scene, and it redraws grass outside, but I’m okay with it.

[Anunya]

15 hours ago, Anunya said:

Are gag facial expressions supposed to work "out of the box" or are there any special actions you need to take to make them work in DDNG?

 

I have MfgFix, MfgFix NG, SL Smooth Expressions, Conditional Expressions, and Conditional Expressions Extended. I have DD 5.2, and DDNG 4.1. I'm on SexLab P+ 2.15, and AE 1.6.1170

 

The conditional expressions play as expected. If I equip a ZaZ Gag, I get facial expressions. But when I equip a DD gag, the mouth stays shut.

 

Is it working for other users?

 

Issue fixed.

 

Update for others who may run into the same issue:

Face expressions with gags work perfectly fine once I saved and reload. My problem was I started a new game as part of my testing routine, found the gags didn't work, then tried to troubleshoot the issue.

[pangxie250]

Why can I still use magic when my arms are restrained? Is there something wrong with my configuration? And is fast travel not allowed by default now?

[nunyabidnez]

So, let me preface by readily admitting that I am not a Papyrus log guru by any stretch of the imagination.  That being said, I'm getting semi-consistent crashes or freezes, and without fail my final entries in Papyrus0 are "[Zad-NG] UpdateControls( )".  Literally every singly log after a crash or freeze has that as the final entry.  Does anyone know what exactly [Zad-NG] UpdateControls( ) is and if it could be the culprit behind my stability issues?  Thanks in advance for any advice.   

[pangxie250]

On 2025/3/30 at AM6点49分, Emmixert said:

言语障碍是当你被堵住嘴巴时产生的一种说话减益效果，这是 Devious Cursed Loot 的一个特点，你有 % 的机会无法进行对话，如果失败，请等待几秒钟再试一次，如果你不想处理失败，你可以在 mod 的 MCM 中调整这个机会。

Without dcl there is no chance for normal conversation?

[Martin1837]

okay im lost. i cannot find anything on contraptions ingame other then the mcm menu with the struggle minigame options. have not found any way of spawning thew actual contraptions or anything. 

Am I missing something obvious? only extra stuff is DD equip, DD lore, Lauras bnondage shop, enchanted chests and unforgiving devices. everything else works and no errors that ive seen in hours of play

 

[Frayed]

On 7/25/2025 at 2:34 AM, nunyabidnez said:

So, let me preface by readily admitting that I am not a Papyrus log guru by any stretch of the imagination.  That being said, I'm getting semi-consistent crashes or freezes, and without fail my final entries in Papyrus0 are "[Zad-NG] UpdateControls( )".  Literally every singly log after a crash or freeze has that as the final entry.  Does anyone know what exactly [Zad-NG] UpdateControls( ) is and if it could be the culprit behind my stability issues?  Thanks in advance for any advice.   

 

"[Zad-NG] UpdateControls( )" is just DD enabling/disabling player control flags (e.g. fighting, activate, etc). Happens every time a device is equipped or unequipped, sometimes in other cases too. It is almost certainly not the cause of your stability issues. If it's consistently the last entry, there might be another part of DD or something DD-related causing issues. It's also possible that it's animation-related, since usually when controls are updated animations change. For crashes you should really be looking at a crash log instead, and perhaps try having the crash log analyzed. Freezes are harder to diagnose.

 

4 hours ago, Martin1837 said:

okay im lost. i cannot find anything on contraptions ingame other then the mcm menu with the struggle minigame options. have not found any way of spawning thew actual contraptions or anything. 

Am I missing something obvious? only extra stuff is DD equip, DD lore, Lauras bnondage shop, enchanted chests and unforgiving devices. everything else works and no errors that ive seen in hours of play

A couple mods (mine and @El_Duderino's off the top of my head, probably a few more) use contraptions in specific settings. DD also provides contraption "kits", misc items that when dropped spawn the contraptions. They're a bit finnicky, because they usually don't place exactly where you want them to, and you can't pick them back up at the moment, but this should improve next DD NG patch. To my knowledge though, there is no shop mod that sells the kits yet, nor (I think) are they craftable. Would be a nice mod for someone to make. For now you'll have to grab them via the console or an add item mod. 

[CaptainJ03]

4 hours ago, Martin1837 said:

okay im lost. i cannot find anything on contraptions ingame other then the mcm menu with the struggle minigame options. have not found any way of spawning thew actual contraptions or anything. 

Am I missing something obvious? only extra stuff is DD equip, DD lore, Lauras bnondage shop, enchanted chests and unforgiving devices. everything else works and no errors that ive seen in hours of play

This mod is only a framework, of course you could just console yourself some contraptions and use them.

 

If you want contraptions in-game:

Cursed Loot and Devious Curses spawn them for traps

POP adds stocks to cities (and breaks your game)

Binding lets you place contraptions in which your owner may lock you for some time.

Ages ago t.ara made a very first mod to use the contraptions, Riften Restrictive that places some contraptions in Riften. LE only, put it through CAO yourself if needed.

[Seph64]

I got a question concerning animations from this mod.

 

It seems there's a rain/snow weather specific yoke animation that's seperate from the default animation, and I am wondering if there is a way to make the rain/snow specific animation the default animation?

 

I have an animated gif/webp but I can't attach it for some reason, and I have no where to upload it.

[belegost]

When wearing one of the new harness corsets, the Out of Breath animation plays every single time a Shout is used, regardless of conditions. It interrupts every other action, making shouting and thus Shout-focused builds completely unusable in a pitched fight. For example, I was unable to use Dragonrend on Alduin during the fight at the Throat of the World, without exposing myself and dying just after. Had to use debug to remove it, to be able to actually do anything.

I was trying to disable all DD-related out of breath animations in OAR, but that doesn't seem to affect this device at all. The animation will play regardless. How can I disable it for this device?

I really like how this new harness corset looks but I hate how it makes shouting a non-option.
 

[flim]

Yeah. It is really a great improvement as advised by someone from the forum,

 

Just wanna know, what is the difference between the normal boxbinder and the boxbinder (hidden arm)? Apparently, they look exactly the same and function about the same.

 

It would be great if the boxbinder (hidden arm) look something like this from Devious Device Equip (See attachment). 

 

Is it possible to include this device on our next update?

[naaitsab]

3 hours ago, flim said:

 

Is it possible to include this device on our next update?

If the original author provides permission we can include it. If you want it added you could always ask if they will allow it.

[Frayed]

On 7/31/2025 at 12:54 AM, Seph64 said:

I got a question concerning animations from this mod.

 

It seems there's a rain/snow weather specific yoke animation that's seperate from the default animation, and I am wondering if there is a way to make the rain/snow specific animation the default animation?

 

I have an animated gif/webp but I can't attach it for some reason, and I have no where to upload it.

 

There's various ways. Easiest is probably to do it via the OAR menu:

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Open OAR menu -> user mode (top right) -> DD to OAR v2.0 -> Cold Yoke -> disable the conditions marked in red by clicking their checkbox -> save submod config (User).

 

I think that should make those animations always replace the default yoke ones. I haven't tested it, you might need to fiddle with the OAR menu a bit more than that.

 

6 hours ago, belegost said:

When wearing one of the new harness corsets, the Out of Breath animation plays every single time a Shout is used, regardless of conditions. It interrupts every other action, making shouting and thus Shout-focused builds completely unusable in a pitched fight. For example, I was unable to use Dragonrend on Alduin during the fight at the Throat of the World, without exposing myself and dying just after. Had to use debug to remove it, to be able to actually do anything.

I was trying to disable all DD-related out of breath animations in OAR, but that doesn't seem to affect this device at all. The animation will play regardless. How can I disable it for this device?

I really like how this new harness corset looks but I hate how it makes shouting a non-option.

 

It looks like this is actually a feature that's been in DD before OAR or NG existed, and all corsets except the rope ones do this. It's baked into the enchant effect carried by the items itself, I don't think there's an easy way to disable it. It seems rather intentionally designed to be a hindrance. There's no non-devious version of it, but maybe that's something @ihatemykite (who iirc made & added those corsets?) would consider? Otherwise you could also just make a small mod for that yourself, just make a new Armor in xEdit or CK and point it to the corset ArmorAddon and you'll be done.

[belegost]

2 hours ago, Frayed said:

It looks like this is actually a feature that's been in DD before OAR or NG existed, and all corsets except the rope ones do this. It's baked into the enchant effect carried by the items itself, I don't think there's an easy way to disable it. It seems rather intentionally designed to be a hindrance. There's no non-devious version of it, but maybe that's something @ihatemykite (who iirc made & added those corsets?) would consider? Otherwise you could also just make a small mod for that yourself, just make a new Armor in xEdit or CK and point it to the corset ArmorAddon and you'll be done.

I have never seen it with regular corsets or chastity corsets.

I like the fact that its both devious and unforgiving device (sine I ran UD as well and have patched DD). If that indeed is baked in and I knew which script that is (assuming a pointer to this script is indeed in plugin data) I could just make an overwrite without it.

[Frayed]

7 hours ago, belegost said:

I have never seen it with regular corsets or chastity corsets.

I like the fact that its both devious and unforgiving device (sine I ran UD as well and have patched DD). If that indeed is baked in and I knew which script that is (assuming a pointer to this script is indeed in plugin data) I could just make an overwrite without it.

 

My first instinct was to post "that can't be DD doing it" because I had never seen it before but no, it's in the DD 5.2 scripts, zadShoutStaggerEffect.psc. I admittedly did not check the ESMs, so it's technically possible that it's an unused feature that DD NG restored, but I don't think that's the case. You can make an overwrite for that, or modify the corset enchant to remove the stagger effect, or modify the stagger effect to not use the script (this one's probably cleanest and least likely to ever conflict).

[Anunya]

Does anyone know the best condition to use in OAR for DD collars?

 

I'm messing about in OAR a bit and would like to set up some idles and whatnot for when my PC is wearing her collar, but I'm not quite sure what to go with. I looked at the DD NG OAR folders (wonderful work, by the way) but didn't see anything collar specific I could copy.

[Frayed]

3 hours ago, Anunya said:

Does anyone know the best condition to use in OAR for DD collars?

 

I'm messing about in OAR a bit and would like to set up some idles and whatnot for when my PC is wearing her collar, but I'm not quite sure what to go with. I looked at the DD NG OAR folders (wonderful work, by the way) but didn't see anything collar specific I could copy.

 

Should be IsWornHasKeyword: zad_deviousCollar (Devious Devices - Assets.esm ID "3DF7"). All DD collars should have that.

[Anunya]

1 hour ago, Frayed said:

 

Should be IsWornHasKeyword: zad_deviousCollar (Devious Devices - Assets.esm ID "3DF7"). All DD collars should have that.

 

Perfect, thank you!

[flim]

On 8/7/2025 at 1:20 AM, naaitsab said:

If the original author provides permission we can include it. If you want it added you could always ask if they will allow it.

Oh, that might be hard. I'm not a modder and most likely i won't get any response as before. had enquired about some issue before but they did not answer.

 

But it was good to know the item can be included, so maybe there is a chance in the future.

 

Thank for the confirmation.

[Seph64]

On 8/6/2025 at 11:45 AM, Frayed said:

 

There's various ways. Easiest is probably to do it via the OAR menu:

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Open OAR menu -> user mode (top right) -> DD to OAR v2.0 -> Cold Yoke -> disable the conditions marked in red by clicking their checkbox -> save submod config (User).

 

I think that should make those animations always replace the default yoke ones. I haven't tested it, you might need to fiddle with the OAR menu a bit more than that.

 

 

It looks like this is actually a feature that's been in DD before OAR or NG existed, and all corsets except the rope ones do this. It's baked into the enchant effect carried by the items itself, I don't think there's an easy way to disable it. It seems rather intentionally designed to be a hindrance. There's no non-devious version of it, but maybe that's something @ihatemykite (who iirc made & added those corsets?) would consider? Otherwise you could also just make a small mod for that yourself, just make a new Armor in xEdit or CK and point it to the corset ArmorAddon and you'll be done.

 

Thanks, that seems to work.