Angrim's Apprentice (Feb-10-2016)

[stobor]

No, there's no spell for calling her.  Next version will let ghost toggle back and forth between spirit and corporeal form (as long as she's 'fed' recently).  Current version, she reverts to spirit form after 12 hours.  Check your active magic effects.

[xxsleepyxx]

sounds cool, looking forward to it.  ok i think it might be conflicting with SL defeat, when i try to talk to my original, i get options like she is in a knocked down state and the SL defeat options pop up.  I will try disabling it or changing some options to see if i can keep this from happening.

 

Edit: ok i found the problem, SL submit 'death proof' submit option was on.  Might wanna put that option in a compatibility section in the description.  Its likely incompatible with SD because of this too.  I dont use that tho.

[Otaku21]

 

Have to say, i do like this mod, and i cant wait for the next update, to see what you come out with next Stobor, but maybe you would a mini guide to point some of us (mostly me) in the right direction, as i can get past the part where Angrims put the chastiy belt on me, with the soul gem thing up my PCs pussy, then he keeps saying he needs to rest

 

At that point, odds are that simply waiting a few hours in-game (not in one big lump by hitting the 'T' key, since that won't trigger the updates more than once no matter how long you wait) will get you to the point where your Magicka is in serious decline and the final scene(s) can start.  Check 'help angrimsatiation' in the console, if you think it's bugged - this needs to drop below 5.0 before the dialogue will change.

 

 

o ok Thank you, will try that

[stobor]

New version 1.22 is up, with enhancements to Ghost and Succubus endings. 

 

The Drink Soul spell is now treated as a 'lesser power', so it is found on the same menu as racial powers and shouts.

 

Ghost form now has its own special ability, 'Ghastly Scream', which can terrify nearby NPCs.  Using this power exhausts your ability to sustain your mortal appearance; as with other spells in this mod, it is empowered by sex.  Ghosts now have a 'Fade' ability which can toggle back and forth between mortal and ghostly form, as long as the character has stolen some warmth and substance from a mortal recently.

 

People are more likely to take notice of ghostly characters now; some NPCs may comment, and the Vigilants will be hostile in ghost form.

 

I also regenerated face tints for NPCs, and moved them from inside the BSA to loose files, in the hopes that this will cure the 'grey face' bug that some players have been having.

 

NOTE: this might not be safe to upgrade in mid-game.

[Guest]

have you addet checks for the ghost comments? iam getting then without beeing a ghost just started the quest.

 

edit: grey head bug still on angrim

       cant talk to him after the first collar szene, looks broken tryed waiting and reloding fast trevel... only a dialog with what do you have for sale is poping up.

[RogueMage]

@stobor:

I just started a new game and haven't met Angrim yet. But in Understone Keep in Markath somebody asked :'Why do you haunt this place, spirit?'. Seems to be a dialogue condition I guess.

[stobor]

Sounds like I need to tighten those conditional checks.  Thanks for the heads-up.

 

EDIT: Fixed, new version uploaded.  Should be a drop-in replacement for v1.22.

[Guest]

Sounds like I need to tighten those conditional checks.  Thanks for the heads-up.

 

EDIT: Fixed, new version uploaded.  Should be a drop-in replacement for v1.22.

 

isnt it only get owning quest, stage > 95 or whatever ghostending is?

[poporaltemporal]

I made fresh start yesterday and ran into issue where angrim did not add chastity belt on me. Issue kept occuring even I reinstalled and restarted the quest line. I suspect that this issue might have been caused by deviat life - alternative start. At least when I started new game without the mod. Everything started to work as expected. It might be that there was also some kind of mod conflict *shrugs*.

 

@Stobor, could it be possible to get some features of the succubus race mod to angrims apprentice? I am not big fan of custom races and like the idea of becoming succubus or be cursed like that. I am not sure about transformation to succubus, I guess wings and horns would be nice perhaps some kind of aura. But I am generally against transformations too. What I feel that is lacking is "seduction spell" that succubus race mod seems to have. It also has drain spell which the cursed could develop perhaps after you have dealt with angrim one way of another.

 

Other thing I would like to be considered is that. Succubus is kind of sexual tormentor being. So I would like to see some kind of mechanism that either A) does not allow your partner to release but just torments her or him with more arousal. Allows your partner to come but does not allow her/his arousal to drop. In both cases this mechanism could be tied to "ensnare" that when you made love to your partner you could still satisfy her? Or perhaps the curse would consume your ability to do it?

 

In short:

- Seduction spell

- Sexual torment (give much pleasure to your partner, but don't allow them to release), could be bound to ensnare.

- Drain (perhaps drain that mostly drains magicka, little bit of health?)

- Succubus Transformation (because custom race mods are awful and conflicting messy, because you are cursed and its something that grows on you). This effect could be slightly bound to sex so that when you were having sex your being was flashed to your victim slightly. At least when you were drinking their soul or ensnaring them?

 

[NicoleDragoness]

I wish to upgrade from 1.21 to 1.23. Can I simply overwrite the old files with the new ones?  (I did almost nothing with Angrim except I gave him the Elixir of Love from Arcadia and ... some actions).

 

Little question:

the BSA of the 1.21 version was 1945 Kb. The 1.23 is only 158 Kb. Is everything right this way?

[MonaBabii]

Hey @stobor: I just had an idea for another power/spell for the player, though it would require a dependency of SL Aroused (and possibly Lovers Comfort for added immersion) to maximize the times you can actually use this, even after you've beaten Angrim's story-arch... however alternatively it could just use this mod's own type of arousal, but again once you've beaten Angrim's quests the spell would kind of start to decay in usefulness. Maybe.

 

Anyway:

A power that you can activate and by being in close proximity of a couple having sex you would absorb their lust. Once the sex scene is done, -your own- Arousal value would then either -turn- into raw magicka (or something else) temporarily, or simply give you that magicka or whatever while still keeping your arousal value (perhaps an empowered version of the spell that after meeting X requirement it would be more friendly towards you and actually remove your arousal entirely). The jist of the power would be that you would need to have your arousal quite high (it being capped at 100) for the power to be any useful (otherwise you would get very little mana/whatever out of it). Then you could introduce a "passive debuf" as soon as you gain the benefits of the power that'd make it so if you have sex yourself in order to lower your arousal, and thus not have the penalties of high arousal -and- the benefits of the power, you would also lose the benefits... so you would actually need to keep your arousal high at all times, that being the downside to the power altogether. Not to mention when you sleep, you automatically masturbate as soon as you wake up if your arousal is that high.

-If you were to include this idea and/or mechanic along with something like Lovers Comfort (basically you need to break into someones' home to see them have sex at night) you would need to -not- be detected for the power to work. If the couple having sex detects you, their lust gets diminished by having a creepy spectator, and thus you wouldn't have anything substantial to absorb, other than a boot to the butt once the sex is done in the form of "You're not supposed to be here!".

 

-Aside from that power, it would be awesome if you could make some sort of "armor" that's not really an armor, but an invisible "mesh" that would act as a "tattoo" of sorts that could glow. It would look as if you had glowy tattoos over your body and the glow would be more intense the more power you have (which could in turn be used as a form of blue hue "lantern" of sorts for those times you're going at it in the dark and can't see anything , but the main purpose would be a cosmetic one).

 

No idea how many of these things are actually possible or if they are within the scope of what you would want in the mod, but I think they'd be great and just throwing ideas to make the mod even more awesome than it already is, further giving the player (if anything) a bigger "sense" of becoming more powerful.

 

Anyway I haven't upgraded for the past 2 updates yet because I've already beat the mod in this playthrough, but looking forward to upgrading the next time I start over Thanks for the continuous work on it!

[CGi]

 

I wish to upgrade from 1.21 to 1.23. Can I simply overwrite the old files with the new ones?  (I did almost nothing with Angrim except I gave him the Elixir of Love from Arcadia and ... some actions).

stobor mentioned that i may not be save to update mid game.

 

Little question:

the BSA of the 1.21 version was 1945 Kb. The 1.23 is only 158 Kb. Is everything right this way?

He excluded the face taint files from the BSA and as they are big and now loose files, the only files left in the BSA are already pretty small, leading to a small BSA archive.

[poporaltemporal]

I got some other ideas from other thread that might work with succubus carnal magic as well:

 

Succubus need to feel that they gain sexual thralls. I would love to see that you could ensnare anyone in skyrim you wish but that could lead into conflicts with scripts so. Perhaps we could have npcs in taverns and various places in the game added that we were able to enslave both male and female. There could be quest to gain <x number> of sexual thralls that told you to look in certain places. Perhaps you would be able to hide some ensnareable npcs such as angrim in some places? These special characters could perhaps be interesting like werewolf, vampire, jarls right hand, sisterhood priest (what would be more pleasing than corrupt one of aedra's own chosen), thalmor agent, mage the college, greybeard, assassin of the brother hood, rogue of thiefs cult, follower of dragon cult, spirit of sovngarde, higher rank dremora, perhaps sanguine himself?

 

- Lesser power to arouse people around you. Do your wicked ways and make people around you them crave for sex. This could be cloak type of spell that aroused everyone around you or simply aura you could turn on off. (with other mods this could perhaps lead into nice scenes where npcs either were so aroused they end up seeking relief either by their own hand or someone close by)

- Power to call your ensnared thrall to you either for sex or to follow you. This could be angrim or any other npc you wish to have such possession as ensnare upon

- Ability to summon sexual thralls. Kind like summon emissary but possibly be able to target it. So you could focus target to be pleased by your thralls. Not a combat spell this spell would not do anything else but summon your thralls

- Command thralls: Your sexual thralls wanted to do anything for you. You simply should tell them what to do. Make them your bitch (toy, cunt) or if you were not careful they could try to take advantage of you. Sexlab supports multi people sex would love to be able to have that and be the one fucked. Summon emissary is very useful spell but would not like that thralls were so uncontrolled ones.. Perhaps you could secure your thralls with chastity belts to be safer with them.

- To feel control and power over your thralls there could be also spell to calm/paralyze them at will or perhaps a whip that would lover their arousal or the score that would increase their need to rape you.

 

Stobor forgive me if my ideas feel overwhelming. Simply love your mod. Thank you for it once again!

[stobor]

 

Sounds like I need to tighten those conditional checks.  Thanks for the heads-up.

 

EDIT: Fixed, new version uploaded.  Should be a drop-in replacement for v1.22.

 

isnt it only get owning quest, stage > 95 or whatever ghostending is?

 

 

No, it was slightly more complicated than that.  I want the comments (and the Vigilant hostility) to affect the character only when she has a ghostly appearance - not when she's masquerading as mortal.  Like I said, it should be fixed now.

[stobor]

CGi is correct: the BSA is smaller (though the download is not) because I moved the textures outside it.  Apparently, though, that STILL didn't fix the grey face bug for some players.  I give up.

[stobor]

@poporaltemporal:  I will not be reinventing the wheel unless absolutely necessary, so I won't be recreating the body transformations that the Succubus Race has.  About the only thing I might borrow (or rather replace) would be the 'Seduction' spell; there are more ways to implement that, in the context of SexLab, than in the original.

 

I also won't be using 'Ensnare' to create armies of thralls, for two reasons: conflicts with any number of different follower mods (ugh!) and the fact that I usually play a solo character, so have very little interest in this type of feature.  The most I might do is to apply some similar effect to existing followers, though to what purpose remains to be seen.  I could see adding additional dialogue to enthralled followers, for example.  

 

But anyway, I don't mind folks brainstorming ideas. 

 

 

[poporaltemporal]

A power that you can activate and by being in close proximity of a couple having sex you would absorb their lust. Once the sex scene is done, -your own- Arousal value would then either -turn- into raw magicka (or something else) temporarily, or simply give you that magicka or whatever while still keeping your arousal value (perhaps an empowered version of the spell that after meeting X requirement it would be more friendly towards you and actually remove your arousal entirely). The jist of the power would be that you would need to have your arousal quite high (it being capped at 100) for the power to be any useful (otherwise you would get very little mana/whatever out of it). Then you could introduce a "passive debuf" as soon as you gain the benefits of the power that'd make it so if you have sex yourself in order to lower your arousal, and thus not have the penalties of high arousal -and- the benefits of the power, you would also lose the benefits... so you would actually need to keep your arousal high at all times, that being the downside to the power altogether. Not to mention when you sleep, you automatically masturbate as soon as you wake up if your arousal is that high.

 

I love the idea that the arousal score would affect the intensity of the buff. However if that would be done I feel that once angrim was dealt with. Most of or maybe all of the spells should become permanent effects as the curse would grow on you over time. These illusion spells are nice but awful to be cast, they time out and so. I understand that for the quest its best that they are spell but as the curse deepens. At least "drink vital essence", "drink magical essence", "honey tongue" and "shadow dance" (even "ensnare") should all turn into passive ability. The strength of those buffs could be indeed then be evaluated through how much arousal you had at the time you had sex. Skyrim has many spells and merely to help keep your spell book cleaner. Its also very tiring to gain all of their effects if you want all of them since you need to fuck several times. I would love the change that these effects turned into passive part of the curse that you sucked the power out of your victims. So in sense you could become very powerful for short time if you timed your sex with your arousal well -- this could also be difficult if you have any other mod installed that makes you masturbate with high arousal so it could turn into very nice gameplay where you had to listen your body and fuck just the right time or lose the sweet buffs.

 

Not sure about this but basically to make this even more difficult it could be that sanguine (or perhaps even dibella?) would send their minions after you when they sensed your lust to help you relieve it. As you would be so aroused you were not able but to submit to them and let them take care of you.

 

In short:

- Turn active spell effects "drink vital essence", "drink magical essence", "honey tongue" and "shadow dance" (even "ensnare") into passive curse effects after your curse progressed far enough. Very much like sanguine vampirism. This could also cause other effect such as becoming vulnerable to silver weapons, perhaps adding your vulnerability to weapons (the curse could make you more softer and desirable being) or debuff of other skills / stats.

- Consider arousal score when defining magnitude of the buff got

- Sisterhood of Dibella or Sanguine's agents sensing your growing lust and seeking to relief you. Could be random encounter on the road. Not a rape but something that these npcs would seek to talk to you (perhaps spreading word of dibella or sanguine) as they felt your presence they would smell and sense your arousal by other means and want to relief your urge. You could try to oppose them perhaps with extremely hard speechcraft check to leave you alone (would become more difficult with higher arousal).

[stobor]

@monababii: Interesting ideas, and this mod already has a dependency on SL Aroused (by way of Devious Devices) so that aspect wouldn't be a problem.  I'm afraid the potential conflct between this mod's 'satiation' score and that suggestion's need for high arousal score would make it of limited use, but keep the ideas coming.

 

The glowing tattoo thing is beyond my skill (not a model-maker nor artist of any kind).

[poporaltemporal]

@poporaltemporal:  I will not be reinventing the wheel unless absolutely necessary, so I won't be recreating the body transformations that the Succubus Race has.  About the only thing I might borrow (or rather replace) would be the 'Seduction' spell; there are more ways to implement that, in the context of SexLab, than in the original.

 

I also won't be using 'Ensnare' to create armies of thralls, for two reasons: conflicts with any number of different follower mods (ugh!) and the fact that I usually play a solo character, so have very little interest in this type of feature.  The most I might do is to apply some similar effect to existing followers, though to what purpose remains to be seen.  I could see adding additional dialogue to enthralled followers, for example.  

 

But anyway, I don't mind folks brainstorming ideas. 

 

 

Great really feel miss of such seduction spell. But perhaps you misunderstand the 'thrall' concept. I do not want followers. Not anyone that fights. They don't even need to follow you. I do not like followers in skyrim, they are always messing your sneak, either on your way, running into your spells you name it so please no npcs that follow you really. Simply to get NPCs that you would feel power upon. Other means.. That they would beg for you to take them or be with them.Very much like Angrim is after you ensnare him. Perhaps adding to the mechanism that they were so desperate for you that they would try to bed you but that you had tools to prevent that. Adding similar conversation options to followers could do the job So the point of thralls was simply for you to feel that you had such power on your thralls that you could speak to them and ask them to do things but not follow you!

 

I would love possibility to transform but completely understand why you do not want to do that. In roleplay though when you would use drink soul would love that you would show your trueself to your victim short before their death. Perhaps if possible tweaking the soul drink spell that it would kill the person between your legs while they were coming into you. Right now its bit weird that you stand up before the effects hit. But understand that its perhaps needed that sexlab framework does not break.

 

One thing I am bit curious about that if its possible to add nails through scripts so that they are not part of your armor but rather part of your body? What I miss in skyrim is long nails and well curse could cause you gain such things as: long lashes, long nail these are little detail and do not conflict with succubus mod. Yet it would be nice if they could become part of you as you turned into this deviant being that desired lust. Also helping your endeavor to get what you needed.

[MonaBabii]

@monababii: Interesting ideas, and this mod already has a dependency on SL Aroused (by way of Devious Devices) so that aspect wouldn't be a problem.  I'm afraid the potential conflct between this mod's 'satiation' score and that suggestion's need for high arousal score would make it of limited use, but keep the ideas coming.

 

The glowing tattoo thing is beyond my skill (not a model-maker nor artist of any kind).

 

Ah I see. That's a shame D: Just trying to think of a way to incorporate this mod's kinda magic and power in a way that you don't necessarily need to always be part of the act itself, but could also just take advantage of a world in which these acts exist.

 

How exactly does the satiation part work compared to the Arousal? Is the clash coming from the fact that you need to keep yourself satiated in order to be more powerful? Because if that's the case, perhaps you would need a high arousal level in order to fully benefit from absorbing lust from a couple, but once you absorb their energy that could decrease your arousal; The lust you absorb from the couple having sex wouldn't be getting to you in the form of "lust" itself in my idea, but that lust would be converted into power, either magicka or something else. Making it so successfully absorbing lust satiates you could also be a good way to go.

 

As for the glowing tattoo. I can probably do the tattoo designs and general "artwork" myself if there's anyone willing to do the meshes? The meshes would basically need to be something like an invisible skin-tight suit lol, tight and invisible enough so the glowy bits look like tattoos on your naked body.

I have experience with making textures and what not but no idea about 3D modeling or making textures for Skyrim. If we could find a 3D artist and then point -me- in the direction of how exactly to work with them, I think we could manage

-But of course this is all assuming that you can't tie something like a magic effect script to a tattoo from say RaceMenu, which I've no idea if it's true or not. With RaceMenu not only you can add tattoos to your body but also make them glow (it's where my idea comes from).

 

But anyway, since you're saying you're okay with me throwing ideas I guess I'll just keep thinking

[poporaltemporal]

To open up the Thrall idea a bit I understand that this is rather major feature that I am suggesting but clarify what I intended to say.

 

Sexual Thrall

Sexual thrall is not follower or your slave even they might call you their Mistress, their desire for you make them impossible to resist you. They would have their own mind ('normish' npc). But feeling helpless in presence of the succubi who ensnared them (very much like Angrim after certain end). Sexual Thrall is not follower but rather normal NPC that would be part of faction devoted to the succubi. Sexual thrall would exist to make the player feel real deviant that caused utmost lust and desire losing their mind to her.

 

Actions of Sexual Thrall

Sexual thralls should have at least these features:

- Thralls would be so extremely driven to the demoness that they would occasionally attempt to sneak bed her. Unless they were controlled with chastity belt or other form of dicipline.

- Equipping (for devious devices support) could also be done through spell or simply dialogue, to keep them in their pants. You are sexually powerful being but still limited in physical power not able to otherwise being able to withstand assault

- Gives gifts to the succubi when sees her (very much like someone in love)

- Gains arousal in the succubi presence

- Dialogue lines should be written so that it seemed they they were completely lost their minds to the succubi when ever she was present possibly addressing Succubi as 'Mistress' due to their desperate attempts to gain her favor

- Dialogue option to make them masturbate  (if truly a thrall this should not be able to resisted but done as asked)

- Dialogue option to make thrall to fuck with anyone you want to (true thrall could not resist this either)

- Possibility to somehow cause orgy amongst them, if you were close they would all want to assault you.Since you were their dream, passion and love. Perhaps your presence made them so helplessly horny they would fuck each other if in close vinicity

- In presence of the succubi they would perhaps gather and kneel to her (at least if in player home or succubi's sanctuary). Otherwise being normal.

- Tell them to move to your home / manor. Hearthfire manors are such dead places this feature could add to that much.

 

How to gain Sexual Thrall

Due to fact that Skyrim has use for almost every NPCs in the game. I feel that its risky to involve the existing NPCs to this to prevent issues. So what I suggest is to add new NPCs in various locations that do not include any function in vanilla skyrim (very much like angrim). Finding these NPCs could be turned into their own game where player was simply given a hint where to find them. Also enabling to have easter egg thrall such as: werewolf, vampire, jarls right hand, dibella sisterhood priest (what would be more pleasing than corrupt one of aedra's own chosen), thalmor agent, the college mage, greybeard, assassin of the brother hood, rogue of thieves guild, follower of dragon cult, spirit of Sovngarde, higher rank dremora, perhaps sanguine himself?

 

Possible features related to Thralls

- Spells to call them (similar to summon emissary)

- If player succubi had her own place in oblivion. Ability to transfer their thrall to their pocket of oblivion. Trapping them for her torment. This feature could even make you find spirits or people whose souls you have drank.

- Other abilities like: vendor or errand boy (basically your thrall would take your items and sell them, you would not gain money immediately but after a time when thrall had time to sell them all)

- Possible punishment play if they did not address you how you wanted, or misbehaved any other way.

[Guest]

CGi is correct: the BSA is smaller (though the download is not) because I moved the textures outside it.  Apparently, though, that STILL didn't fix the grey face bug for some players.  I give up.

 

is it only the tint mask or all facegendata? mark angrim in ck than strg F4 for export the data and than pack it togather with your other stuff.

have i missed something or is it a bug when angrim isnt removeing the collar after the first szene?

he doesnt has any dialog options.

[MonaBabii]

have i missed something or is it a bug when angrim isnt removeing the collar after the first szene?

he doesnt has any dialog options.

 

I believe you need to talk to him and ask to have it removed, but can't remember for sure.

[Guest]

 

have i missed something or is it a bug when angrim isnt removeing the collar after the first szene?

he doesnt has any dialog options.

 

I believe you need to talk to him and ask to have it removed, but can't remember for sure.

 

 

i thought the same way...

[MonaBabii]

 

 

have i missed something or is it a bug when angrim isnt removeing the collar after the first szene?

he doesnt has any dialog options.

 

I believe you need to talk to him and ask to have it removed, but can't remember for sure.

 

 

i thought the same way...

 

 

I read your line just fine I'm just saying if I recall correctly (which I'm not sure really lol) you do need to talk to him, thus that may very well be a problem.

If you're referring to the first scene as in that first "blowjob" you give him, you do get dialogs after the act. So if anything the fact that you're seeing none (if we are actually talking about the same scene) you should probably turn on your logs and post them if you got time to kill

 

Then again I've proven to be very bad at these things lol so maybe just... ignore everything I said and wait for Stobor to reply xD Sorry  <____<

 

Edit: I used to love "No use for a name" when I was younger, it was interesting punk Is that where your name comes from?