Angrim's Apprentice (Feb-10-2016)

[manarak]

@manarak: Dibella is an Aedra though, not a Daedra; a divine. I think you got those two a little mixed up  By all accounts, Dibella -is- way way way less evil than Azura considering what Azura did to elves in times when the Dwemer were still around. Azura is the reason Dark Elves look the way they do, a curse from the "less evil" Daedra

[/lore-nerd rant]

 

I stand corrected!

Please bind me up and gag me master, don't forget the plugs.

[beauty bane]

which end will use Arcadia's Love Elixir? I never got that quest.

[MonaBabii]

 

@manarak: Dibella is an Aedra though, not a Daedra; a divine. I think you got those two a little mixed up  By all accounts, Dibella -is- way way way less evil than Azura considering what Azura did to elves in times when the Dwemer were still around. Azura is the reason Dark Elves look the way they do, a curse from the "less evil" Daedra

[/lore-nerd rant]

 

I stand corrected!

Please bind me up and gag me master, don't forget the plugs.

 

 

... See but now that I know you actually like the plugs, a better punishment would be to not use them!

Tsk tsk.

[poporaltemporal]

Really love this quest! Highly recommend it to everyone. Thank you Stobor. Love to see any updates or more work from you!

 

There are minor issues with this mod that I would love to have fixed though.

- Angrim's body is no even toned with his head.

- Daedra both -- man and female -- head and body are not evenly toned.

- I use UNPB body and for some reason when I wear the robes that Angrim gives as reward my body disappears. I have all listed required mods and this leaves me bit puzzled why it is so?

- Dalliance quest progress could state that "Perhaps I should give a good night rest to forget this. " or similar. I was playing vampire character and was very puzzled what and how to continue beyond the ruined book.

- Could the quests spells scale better beyond the quest please? I love thinking that ensnare would cause the lovers lose their mind on sight of the possessor. Or that drink soul would also give you piece of this persons strength that you consume? These effects should be TEMPORAL but in case you decided to drink a soul from the greybeards or some other unique NPC in the game you could perhaps also find permanent effects?

 

Other thoughts/ideas

- Would love to see other features to this than mere spell additions.Each ending could be continued for example so that Sanguine contacted you after it all and wanted to work a deal with you.

- Summon emissary is good thought and important spell that helps you through the lust but its rather crude. Could there be a spell that brought you to Sanguines sanctum plane.. Perhaps you would cast it first time by mistake or that the events that you went through with angrim would cause you to teleport there the first time?

- Would love if there was way to cause a threesome.. Power that would seduce the close by men to do your bidding? Or perhaps those men that you lured into your talons would seek and approach you as they were missing your touch. This could be simply a road event where you met your conquests as they begged to you to be with them.

- For me Angrim was very unique, bossy npc. I miss him Captured dreams shop has a 'master' that gives you rather pointless errands but that is also exciting how it is implemented. You can miss a line if you were too hasty and you get mildly punished. *wink* *wink*

- Sanguine has many followers perhaps once you have dealt with Angrim you were to raise through the ranks of those minions. Perhaps gaining minions to do your bidding.

- There are several other mods that make npcs make love. And perhaps Angrim's apprentice could curse others gaining something in the process?

- I used to play online rpg that had 2 sides succubus and the inquistion. Where the succubi empowered their spells with used sperm. Similar could be done here? Sanguine must be please also not forgetting our divine Dibella.

[xxsleepyxx]

I figured out how to fix the head body different color. 

first try this:

open the esp in CK (active or not, dont matter cuz not saving)

find the npc with the missmatched textures and select it

hit ctrl+f4

close and test

if that dont work

 

Edit: warning, dont do this part below unless u do not load as active and skip steps 5-9, saving the esp seemed to have caused bugs in the scripts for me somehow.  If u already did this and its causing problems for u, just replace the esp with the original.

here is what i did:

1.unpacked the bsa

2.put all the files excluding textures in the proper location

3.loaded up the esp in creation kit as active file

4.found the angrims female demora i wanted to fix

5.on the char gen tab (or something like that) changed the color to the one above black (dark red, sexier anyways)

6.hit ok

7.save the esp

8.closed and tested it

it didnt work

9.step 3 and 4

10.selected the npc and hit ctrl+f4

11.did not save

do this for whatever other npcs u want to change too

 

P.S. i tried doing the regular ctrl+f4   thing that normally fixes the face bug b4 unpacking bsa and changing color and saving esp and all that , but it didnt work for whatever reason.  Others could try it first to see if it works, u just find and select the npc in CK and hit ctrl+f4 and dont save b4 closing, then test.

 

What i think the problem might be originally:

the facegendata was exported to the bsa in the mod to counter the CK dark face bug.  I think that maybe it has something to do with when u save the esp and export the facegendata. OR, the missmatched textures from the original dark face bug (before exporting facegen to bsa) is a client side bug and facegen should only be exported if having the bug on that computer and not along with the mod.  Or possibly the mod is fine and people with the problem need to export facegendata.  but that didnt work for me origianlly for somereason without doing all the stuff i did.

 

I know that when i used aliciapainslut mod, i wasnt having problems with missmatch textures while others were, and in that mod the facegendata is exported to the bsa like this one.  so i dont really know wtf is up lol.  Ill go with the saving/exporting order theory.... or that people with the problem just need to re-export facegen.  ive got myself confused now.

 

hope this helps.

[MonaBabii]

 

 

I figured out how to fix the head body different color. 

first try this:

open the esp in CK (active or not, dont matter cuz not saving)

find the npc with the missmatched textures and select it

hit ctrl+f4

close and test

if that dont work

 

here is what i did:

unpacked the bsa

put all the files excluding textures in the proper location

loaded up the esp in creation kit as active file

found the angrims female demora i wanted to fix

on the char gen tab (or something like that) changed the color to the one above black (dark red, sexier anyways)

hit ok

save the esp

closed and tested it

it didnt work

step 3 and 4

selected the npc and hit ctrl+f4

did not save

do this for whatever other npcs u want to change too

 

P.S. i tried doing the regular ctrl+f4   thing that normally fixes the face bug b4 unpacking bsa and changing color and saving new esp and all that , but it didnt work for whatever reason.  Others could try it first to see if it works, u just find and select the npc in CK and hit ctrl+f4 and dont save b4 closing, then test.

 

What i think the problem might be originally:

the facegendata was exported to the bsa in the mod to counter the CK dark face bug.  I think that maybe it has something to do with when u save the esp and export the facegendata. OR, the missmatched textures is a client side bug and facegen should only be exported if having the bug on that computer and not along with the mod.

 

hope this helps.

 

 

 

I don't think I could do any of that personally, even if you physically guided my hands. Thanks a lot for the info though! Personally I'm just glad I'm not the only one experiencing that xD and perhaps that post can lead to a hotfix that can work off the bat for everyone

[xxsleepyxx]

 

 

I figured out how to fix the head body different color. 

first try this:

open the esp in CK (active or not, dont matter cuz not saving)

find the npc with the missmatched textures and select it

hit ctrl+f4

close and test

if that dont work

 

here is what i did:

unpacked the bsa

put all the files excluding textures in the proper location

loaded up the esp in creation kit as active file

found the angrims female demora i wanted to fix

on the char gen tab (or something like that) changed the color to the one above black (dark red, sexier anyways)

hit ok

save the esp

closed and tested it

it didnt work

step 3 and 4

selected the npc and hit ctrl+f4

did not save

do this for whatever other npcs u want to change too

 

P.S. i tried doing the regular ctrl+f4   thing that normally fixes the face bug b4 unpacking bsa and changing color and saving new esp and all that , but it didnt work for whatever reason.  Others could try it first to see if it works, u just find and select the npc in CK and hit ctrl+f4 and dont save b4 closing, then test.

 

What i think the problem might be originally:

the facegendata was exported to the bsa in the mod to counter the CK dark face bug.  I think that maybe it has something to do with when u save the esp and export the facegendata. OR, the missmatched textures is a client side bug and facegen should only be exported if having the bug on that computer and not along with the mod.

 

hope this helps.

 

 

 

I don't think I could do any of that personally, even if you physically guided my hands. Thanks a lot for the info though! Personally I'm just glad I'm not the only one experiencing that xD and perhaps that post can lead to a hotfix that can work off the bat for everyone

 

I will make more accurate directions of the first part:

 

open ck

goto file then data, click

find angrimapprentice.esp, double click

ok, yes

if any warnings pop up, yes to all

in the object window, expand actors, actor, actor, demorarace, female

on the right select angrimdemoratemptress

hit ctrl+f4

yes, ok

 

and do this for what ever other npcs u having problems with and close CK whenever done.

[stobor]

Yes, that should fix it - but that's also what I did to get the textures for the NPCs in the first place, so I really don't understand why the same textures that work for me (and apparently at least some other players) don't work for everyone.  Very frustrating.

 

I'm starting to wonder if there's some reason why having the textures in the BSA just doesn't work reliably...

[xxsleepyxx]

Im liking the mod so far but i think im running into problems... or maybe not, the lack of details from angrim has left me a little confused and wondering if the order in which im doing things is bugging up or if im really doing it right.  I'll walk u thru what ive done so far.

spoilers

 

 

dialog options with algrim always talking about renewing "that spell" and teaching me "that spell"... what spell?  i figured it out eventually, it was a magic effect from sex with him called magika infusion, not a spell.

 

I got 2 quests from the books at the pedestal and got the items from them.  i return to angrim and use my new spell drink soul on him cuz there werent any new dialog options about completing those quests i just did.  after doing that, i noticed the only options i have with dialog with him is something about him being my master and he would keep telling me to go away when i chose it.  so i thought thats not right and reloaded an old save b4 i used drink soul on him.

 

This time i chose to renew "that spell" some more.  The second time i do it, he wants to use a collar, i choose ok.  when we are done, i cannot go into the fight stance or talk to anyone, the effects of the gag he put on me, and probably the cuffs i asummed.  angrim goes back to his little enchanting alter and i try to figure out how to get this stuff off.  i try to take the muzzle off and it disappears from my inventory but its still on me and i cant speak still, while the 2 sets of cuffs equipped give a message they cant be removed.  i tried to get out of that stuff for 10 minutes b4 going back to the save b4 this happened and i tried it all again and i concluded this must be a bug.

 

loaded the save b4 i tried those last 2 things and ask him how im supposed to learn "that spell" if he wont teach it to me.  he says somethingn about the temple of dibella and i go there and get the blessing and return and he doesnt say anything about the blessing but i assume im on the right track since now hes telling me about sam and im out looking for him now.  this part seems to be going alright if i can just find him now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[poporaltemporal]

Im liking the mod so far but i think im running into problems... or maybe not, the lack of details from angrim has left me a little confused and wondering if the order in which im doing things is bugging up or if im really doing it right.  I'll walk u thru what ive done so far.

spoilers

 

 

dialog options with algrim always talking about renewing "that spell" and teaching me "that spell"... what spell?  i figured it out eventually, it was a magic effect from sex with him called magika infusion, not a spell.

 

I got 2 quests from the books at the pedestal and got the items from them.  i return to angrim and use my new spell drink soul on him cuz there werent any new dialog options about completing those quests i just did.  after doing that, i noticed the only options i have with dialog with him is something about him being my master and he would keep telling me to go away when i chose it.  so i thought thats not right and reloaded an old save b4 i used drink soul on him.

 

This time i chose to renew "that spell" some more.  The second time i do it, he wants to use a collar, i choose ok.  when we are done, i cannot go into the fight stance or talk to anyone, the effects of the gag he put on me, and probably the cuffs i asummed.  angrim goes back to his little enchanting alter and i try to figure out how to get this stuff off.  i try to take the muzzle off and it disappears from my inventory but its still on me and i cant speak still, while the 2 sets of cuffs equipped give a message they cant be removed.  i tried to get out of that stuff for 10 minutes b4 going back to the save b4 this happened and i tried it all again and i concluded this must be a bug.

 

loaded the save b4 i tried those last 2 things and ask him how im supposed to learn "that spell" if he wont teach it to me.  he says somethingn about the temple of dibella and i go there and get the blessing and return and he doesnt say anything about the blessing but i assume im on the right track since now hes telling me about sam and im out looking for him now.  this part seems to be going alright if i can just find him now.

 

 

 

Thank you for the face color fix. I extracted the BSA as you instructed and exported the face gen data for each npc in the quest and everything works perfectly.

 

What comes to angrim. What I basically did was to steal the summon emissary tome from the chest. And use the new spell Angrim teaches on the dremora. It seemed to work quite well. There are some steps in the quests that are little bit difficult. But in sense thats what makes this quest line so much fun too.

 

[poporaltemporal]

Yes, that should fix it - but that's also what I did to get the textures for the NPCs in the first place, so I really don't understand why the same textures that work for me (and apparently at least some other players) don't work for everyone.  Very frustrating.

 

I'm starting to wonder if there's some reason why having the textures in the BSA just doesn't work reliably...

 

I haven't used the creation kit very much. It seems to be quite horrible when using it to edit npcs however.

 

I have several mods that change female shape and textures. And I also have ethereal elven overhaul that could explain the bug with the male dremora. But angrim left me puzzled. I am not aware that I have any mod that changes the textures on the male characters (except the male).

 

I am still bit puzzled with the endings though:

DO NOT READ IF YOU WANT A SURPRISE ENDING

 

 

Here is what I basically discovered you can do:

1) use ensnare on angrim before the end -- bit pointless wish you couldn't do this before the end

2) use drink soul on angrim before the end -- feels pointless, not very rewarding. Also bit confusing as the other endings suggest that he is cursed. Wouldn't sanguine be mad on you as you killed his toy? Perhaps you were to take his place?

3) reach end and use ensnare before admitting your sexual cravings -- nice, yet as he talks about the curse on the other endings this seems weird

4) reach end and admit your sexual cravings -- Even this is kind of rape and Angrim yet spits on you this ending makes most sense? Although this leaves you want to get back and revenge what Angrim did you. Also the Dremora speak about being a vessel. Vessel of what? Are you to be Dremora's whore? Bear his child?

5) Then there is the refusal where you refuse the collar finding yourself as a ghost. This also leaves you to get back on Angrim. Perhaps the best and most unique quest/ending that I found in skyrim so far.

6) either ensnare or drink soul did not seem to work if you refused Angrim.

 

Love it but now I so much want to get more and get back at Angrim!! Not sure if I want to choose any endings until I can get back to him grrh!

 

Thank you for the great mod Stobor. Had much fun discovering everything Bethesda made great game but this is possibly most interesting and fun bit Really hoping and waiting for more!

 

 

[xesfer]

Hi Stobor, I really enjoyed your mod. Very funny and well done. Thanks for your great job.

I just have a problem to report. I really don't know if it depends by your mod or else, but I ask you everyway.

Beginning from when Angrim put the chastity belt on my character, the Whiterun Guards started to hail her saying: "Hey! I know you". This is true for all the Whiterun Guards (and only for them, the Guards from different places keep on behaving normally) and this one is the only talk statement they have. All the talk options from different mods don't appear anymore and I can no more interact with them.

Initally I guessed it was a side effect from your mod in a similar way to other statement I got from people all around Skyrim (someone made comments asking if my character was the new Angrim's apprentice, someone made comments on the belt and so on).

Now I finished your quest and my character became an happy succubus (I choosed this ending because I find it the funniest one) but the Whiterun Guards keep on hailing her that way and it's impossible to interact with them.

What do you think: might this effect depend from your mod? something else?

Thanks 

 

 

 

 

 

[stobor]

@xesfer: At one point, Angrim may bribe the guards to arrest you (hence that dialogue), to get you in bad graces of the law and more dependent on him.  This is also intended as a hook to let you go play the Prison Overhaul mod.  Or just pay the bounty, if that's not to your liking.  This is not a bug.

[stobor]

@xxsleepyxx: After sex, Angrim will remove collar & cuffs if you just ask nicely.  If he doesn't have that dialogue option, something's wrong.

 

If you keep talking to him, he will eventually agree to teach you, even if you never do any of the side quests that he suggests.  Which is why I emphasize in the original post that these side quests are optional.

[stobor]

@poporaltemporal:  Not going to try to answer those point by point, but...

 

 

About Sanguine permitting you to kill Angrim: First, he's not the most reliable of Daedric princes.  Second, he's probably aware of Angrim's efforts to renege on his bargain, and finds it amusing to let you kill him.  Note that doing so usually requires that the character be at least partially corrupted (finished Sanguine's quest, or has at least the slower-acting 'Raging Lust' form of the Succubus curse).  The base version of Drink Soul isn't potent enough to kill him, without those bonuses.

 

About the 'vessel' comment: vessel for the Succubus curse (transferred from Angrim).  Also implies that you might get pregnant (which actually happened once, in testing, since I use the Procreation mod).  The lines are a bit cryptic on purpose - the character isn't really meant to fully understand what's happening to her.

 

About taking revenge after the 'ending' stage:  I left this impossible for two reasons - because I wanted to keep the tension that this frustration provides, and because it would be disappointingly easy to kill him if he were non-essential.  I may provide a later opportunity in one or more follow-on quests (to the Hungry Ghost and Succubus endings), but it won't be as simple as sneaking in there at night and stabbing him in his sleep.

 

 

 

[stobor]

Those of you having problems with missing face textures:  do you by any chance have an empty folder for this mod in

.../Data/textures/actors/character/FaceGenData/FaceTint ?  I think that would mask the files in the BSA.

[xxsleepyxx]

@xxsleepyxx: After sex, Angrim will remove collar & cuffs if you just ask nicely.  If he doesn't have that dialogue option, something's wrong.

 

If you keep talking to him, he will eventually agree to teach you, even if you never do any of the side quests that he suggests.  Which is why I emphasize in the original post that these side quests are optional.

 

ok, yes there is a problem.  The ring gag, after equipped, will not come off, disabling u from ever speaking to anyone so u cant ask him to take it off.  when i try to remove it, it appears unequipped in the inventory but is still on u, when u choose it again it disappears from the inventory but is still on u, and u still cant talk to anyone.  Also none of the normal devious devices dialog windows come up when trying to remove or equip it.

 

also, the same thing happens with it if i player.additem it instead of letting him give it to me.  And none of the DD dialog windows pop up here either.

 

I tried disabling hardcore effects of DD but that didnt help, i still couldnt talk to anyone.

 

If i craft ring gag at the forge, the crafted one works correctly.

 

EDIT:  ok i solved the problem, but im really confused now.  I replaced the esp (that i edited the face tint to fix the missmatched skin) with the original esp.  Now i can speak to people with the gag he gives me weather hardcore effects is disabled or not.  its working correctly.  The only thing i changed in the esp was the face tint and it fucked shit up somehow.  Is there something i missed?  Do i have to do something else when saving esp?

 

Those of you having problems with missing face textures:  do you by any chance have an empty folder for this mod in

.../Data/textures/actors/character/FaceGenData/FaceTint ?  I think that would mask the files in the BSA.

 

i did not.

[Aethyri]

I encountered a very odd error that I was able to fix but not discover the root of. In fixing this, I had to disable Angrims Apprentice which erased all of my progress, little as it was.

 

Is there a method to progress the questing back to where I was, namely the following events.

 

- Acquired and turned in Arcadias Love Elixir.

- Found Beer Soaked Tome and had the session with the minion.

- Had just picked up the succubus book.

 

Being blunt, I'm just not sure what the correct quest counter numbers are or what events I achieved that allowed me to reach that point.

[stobor]

 

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EDIT:  ok i solved the problem, but im really confused now.  I replaced the esp (that i edited the face tint to fix the missmatched skin) with the original esp.  Now i can speak to people with the gag he gives me weather hardcore effects is disabled or not.  its working correctly.  The only thing i changed in the esp was the face tint and it fucked shit up somehow.  Is there something i missed?  Do i have to do something else when saving esp?

 

Yes, I think I know what you did.  This mod is dependent on another mod's ESP (Devious Devices Integration), which requires that you have that ESP converted to an ESM (master file) if you're going to edit Angrim's ESP.  If you saved Angrim's ESP without doing that, it would've created tons of uninitialized properties - and completely broken the Devious Devices functionality in Angrim's mod.

 

If you had exported the facetint files without saving AngrimApprentice.esp, it probably would've worked fine.

[stobor]

I encountered a very odd error that I was able to fix but not discover the root of. In fixing this, I had to disable Angrims Apprentice which erased all of my progress, little as it was.

 

Is there a method to progress the questing back to where I was, namely the following events.

 

- Acquired and turned in Arcadias Love Elixir.

- Found Beer Soaked Tome and had the session with the minion.

- Had just picked up the succubus book.

 

Being blunt, I'm just not sure what the correct quest counter numbers are or what events I achieved that allowed me to reach that point.

 

You can ignore the Elixir, and the Dalliance quest.  If you learned any spells, you could re-add them from the console (if you know their names), but it doesn't sound as though you got that far.  Just pick up the Succubus Lore book again; that quest will presumably restart.

 

As for the main Angrim quest, you were probably at stage 20 or 30; doesn't really matter which.  So the command to restore that would be:

setstage AngrimApprenticeQuest 20

Hope that helps.

 

[poporaltemporal]

@poporaltemporal:  Not going to try to answer those point by point, but...

 

 

About Sanguine permitting you to kill Angrim: First, he's not the most reliable of Daedric princes.  Second, he's probably aware of Angrim's efforts to renege on his bargain, and finds it amusing to let you kill him.  Note that doing so usually requires that the character be at least partially corrupted (finished Sanguine's quest, or has at least the slower-acting 'Raging Lust' form of the Succubus curse).  The base version of Drink Soul isn't potent enough to kill him, without those bonuses.

 

About the 'vessel' comment: vessel for the Succubus curse (transferred from Angrim).  Also implies that you might get pregnant (which actually happened once, in testing, since I use the Procreation mod).  The lines are a bit cryptic on purpose - the character isn't really meant to fully understand what's happening to her.

 

About taking revenge after the 'ending' stage:  I left this impossible for two reasons - because I wanted to keep the tension that this frustration provides, and because it would be disappointingly easy to kill him if he were non-essential.  I may provide a later opportunity in one or more follow-on quests (to the Hungry Ghost and Succubus endings), but it won't be as simple as sneaking in there at night and stabbing him in his sleep.

 

 

 

Sounds nice. Love the story telling. Excited to see more about it!

 

Just trying out SD+ and bit disappointed to it so far. Angrim makes much more sensible Master than this randomly generated Master in SD+. Love how they made all the menu options and helps within the mcm though.

[poporaltemporal]

Played a bit now after the ending and it feels that the succubus desires or needs are not enough. Rigth now I get notifications from sexlab arousal that my desire is getting overwhelming but the needs of the curse of the succubi are not there.

 

I would love it if the curse could be made feel more needy. That it would be need to be fed. Right now it feels almost if it was not there.

 

If you think about succubi lore out of skyrim. Succubus have been evil being corrupter of men. Would love if this could somehow be put into skyrim. While being this evil being with certain needs you are sure to be brought satisfied with you arousal as well

[zel45]

Yeah, if you've hit stage 100 you've permanently annoyed Angrim.  Did you, by any chance, attempt to kill him (and fail)?

 

Ah, I didn't understand what drink soul did, so I thought I should use that before sex as it might be a trigger to advance things. Not until browsing through thread did I understand that it's an attack. Guess I'll setstage to zero, see if that'll fix things.

[xesfer]

@xesfer: At one point, Angrim may bribe the guards to arrest you (hence that dialogue), to get you in bad graces of the law and more dependent on him.  This is also intended as a hook to let you go play the Prison Overhaul mod.  Or just pay the bounty, if that's not to your liking.  This is not a bug.

 

Thanks Stobor, I'll try the Prison Overhaul mod too.

[trimstin]

truly love the mod.

 

Think i hit a problem though, He offered a collar to my pc and i accepted.  all it did was stripped her naked and nothing else.  is it something i did or didn't do?