Submissive Lola: The Resubmission LE/SE

[Hex Bolt]

47 minutes ago, lcewolf said:

I have notice something is wrong since your last update. I am pretty sure it's not wanted.

The last update only fixed two 2 bugs and made at least one minor adjustment.  At the time, I tested both changes, and they worked for me.

 

49 minutes ago, lcewolf said:

When i ask at my owner to wear clothing (Nudity rule at VkjSubmissionscore to 50 and more) the owner accept it and allow it most of the time. Even when i have a  submissionscore at 70 and +.

Nudity requirements did not change in the last update (or the next to last update).  It is permitted to ask to suspend the nudity at any score, even 100, though the owner might not agree (random chance).  If the owner agrees, the rule will be reinstated before long, but you can get a brief reprieve.  I believe it's working as intended, though possibly not as you expected.

 

55 minutes ago, lcewolf said:

I was wondering if you will remove or block all option for changing the nudity Rule when you are above Vkjsubmissionscore like 80 or 90 since you mention it before?

I have a to-do item to remove some player dialog options at high score levels, but that's not a high priority.  I'd prefer to work on new or improved features now.

 

1 hour ago, lcewolf said:

I was wondering too if you change your idea about adding some conversation «about be your slave»? Personnally I add some at various Vkjsubmissionscore and it look quite nice.

More might be added there, but it's difficult to handle some of those topics in ways that satisfy most players.  Again, at this time I'm looking at new or improved features, and starting to make use of Devious Devices 5.

[Hex Bolt]

53 minutes ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

Personally, I prefer my outfit mods to just provide the outfits without integrating them into the world most of the time.

I'm right there with you.  It avoids mod conflicts, and I don't see bandits wearing the super cool armor that's only for my character or followers.

 

53 minutes ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

I just have one big patch where I make all my recipes, outfits, etc., and I fiddle with it when necessary.

Same here.  I have one big custom mod with all the armor, clothing, and weapons that I've cherry-picked from other mods over the years.  It really streamlines the mod list.

[shiagwen]

9 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

Version 2.0.64

 

Fixed:  The recently added "Vampire Strips for Feeding" option resulted in no animation playing.
Fixed:  Helgen was not being recognized as a landmark for the "Faster, Lola, Faster" event.

 

This small update fixes a couple of bugs to get the mod in a good state before I make significant changes.  This is the last planned update that will not require Devious Devices 5.  For those who choose to remain on DD4, I will NOT remove this version (2.0.64) from the download section, regardless of how many future releases follow it.

 

Background:  I've been saying for a long time that this change is planned.  DD4 dates back to 2019 (before the pandemic).  DD5 is faster and more efficient, while offering new functions and devices.  Many (if not most) other actively developed mods already require DD5.  5.2 fixes the infamous bugged slot problem.  The collar check event will finally be able to detect and lock manipulated collars rather than always succeeding.  It's a solid version with more than a year of development, incorporating feedback and many contributions from the community (feature list).  It's also a significantly smaller download than 5.0 or 5.1.

 

With regard to downloading and installing DD 5.2, it's not vastly larger than DD Expansions 4.3a (1.42 GB), and it's an all-in-one file with an installer.  Those who've had problems with Mega might benefit from this article, How to Download MEGA files without Limits: 4 Easy Methods in 2023.

i have no problems with 5.2, but i had with 5.1 . so the fixes in 5.2 really made a good job.  i am curious what you have in mind that you need 5.2 for.

[blahity]

13 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

Version 2.0.64

 

Fixed:  The recently added "Vampire Strips for Feeding" option resulted in no animation playing.
Fixed:  Helgen was not being recognized as a landmark for the "Faster, Lola, Faster" event.

 

This small update fixes a couple of bugs to get the mod in a good state before I make significant changes.  This is the last planned update that will not require Devious Devices 5.  For those who choose to remain on DD4, I will NOT remove this version (2.0.64) from the download section, regardless of how many future releases follow it.

 

Background:  I've been saying for a long time that this change is planned.  DD4 dates back to 2019 (before the pandemic).  DD5 is faster and more efficient, while offering new functions and devices.  Many (if not most) other actively developed mods already require DD5.  5.2 fixes the infamous bugged slot problem.  The collar check event will finally be able to detect and lock manipulated collars rather than always succeeding.  It's a solid version with more than a year of development, incorporating feedback and many contributions from the community (feature list).  It's also a significantly smaller download than 5.0 or 5.1.

 

With regard to downloading and installing DD 5.2, it's not vastly larger than DD Expansions 4.3a (1.42 GB), and it's an all-in-one file with an installer.  Those who've had problems with Mega might benefit from this article, How to Download MEGA files without Limits: 4 Easy Methods in 2023.

This is very exciting news! DD 5.2 has pretty much solved the problems and bugs I had with DD in the past, in addition to being much more customizable. Switching to 5.2 opens up a lot of fun event ideas too.

 

Mistress taking her pet for a walk through town in a pet suit (or playing "fetch") would be fun for everyone! The PC might discover they like it so much they might ask for it all the time

[Hex Bolt]

3 hours ago, blahity said:

DD 5.2 has pretty much solved the problems and bugs I had with DD in the past, in addition to being much more customizable.

It seems like the frequency of problems reported here for bugged collars has decreased after 5.2's release.  Its fix for devices that get stripped off by mods that are not aware of DD makes it much more robust in a heavily modded game.

 

SLTR will probably require DD 5.2 or higher (rather than 5.0 or higher).  Other than the inconvenience of updating, there's no reason to stay on 5.0 or 5.1.

[Sabertoothtigerz89]

I have an idea..

 

cucking.

what if your mistress or master takes your other follower u have and open up new dialogue lines taunting you, playing possum that they'd want to have sex with u but instead they then say it's a joke and begin having sex with another follower you have, all the while either before or after the sex, ur master or mistress will complement your follower and berate you on ur tiny assets because you couldn't satisfy him or her.

 

a dialogue could be something like this.

 

"Kneel slave kneel at once!".

"you see i'm a woman/man of needs, and my needs are my concern and my concern only, not for your entertainment."

 

Slave: yes my mistress/master, how may I help you?

          You need sex again? but now's not the time.

 

"Help me? oh no no no, you got it all wrong, see this man/woman over here that is joining us, now that is a real nice body, much more for me to sink my teeth in that whatever it is you got"

"backtalk to me again i dare you!" *Zaps* "I do need sex but your puny body won't cut it this time".

 

"you see, I NEED real action, you're battered, bruised and quite honestly you're old yesterday's news, as your master/mistress, i make the rules and I get to chose who I want to have sex with, but there's a slight problem...I want you to realize that you'll never be quite as good as him/her, so I hereby demand you kneel and watch the live sex session, and who knows? maybe you'll learn a thing or two."

 

*sex scene begins between master/mistress and other follower"

 

*afterwards*

 

"See that my pet? this is how it's done...wew...that took some of my breath away...you'd never be able to satisfy me this much....fully.." 

"oh don't be sad or angry, blame the gods for now making you as hot as our friend here".

 

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another idea would be for your mistress/master to teach another follower of yours to start adressing you the slave by a nickname and demanding you to carry his burdens sometimes aswell, maybe your master/mistress could even force you to also treat your other follower with reverence and respect.

[PolskiHusarz20]

I too have an idea for another attitude of master/mistress towards the Lola. Its alternative for jail sentence, the master simply forces PC to do all that lewd stuff to pay off bounty and get rehabilitated (propably not a good mix with mods which penalize that stuff). That might be expanded with another slavery start scenario

Arrest -> plead for another way of paying off bounty -> get enslaved by Sub Lola

Possibly with purpose built NPC and increased amount of points needed to be released and/or days to serve.

[Hex Bolt]

7 minutes ago, PolskiHusarz20 said:

Arrest -> plead for another way of paying off bounty -> get enslaved by Sub Lola

You can already indirectly do that if you have a mod that can send you to Simple Slavery as a result of arrest or imprisonment.  I'm not willing to tamper with the way arrest or imprisonment works, because that would override vanilla dialog (and possibly some scripts).  Messing with those things leads to conflicts and incompatibilities.  I suppose it would be possible to surrender to your follower as a slave in exchange for having your bounty paid off, but since the follower was probably with you when you committed the crimes, the follower is an accomplice and just as guilty, so that would be strange.  The Simple Slavery route seems better.

[PeachButt69]

I'm trying to trigger the Submissive Lola quest through Simple Slavery and for some reason after the auction, the "strong hand" quest starts but there's no dialogue is triggered by my follower. Instead they idle around and they only give me an option to follow me even though they were following me before. This hasn't happened before in my other playthroughs and it has always worked with the lazyfollowers mod I use. Is this a bug or something? Note that I've tried activating Submissive Lola before being enslaved too and made sure my follower would be the one to buy me in the settings.

 

EDIT: never mind, I added gold to my follower’s inventory and that seemed to work

Edited May 25, 2023 by PeachButt69

[bruh12151]

i downloaded the latest version but it wont even appear in mcm idk whats wrong

[Hex Bolt]

43 minutes ago, bruh12151 said:

i downloaded the latest version but it wont even appear in mcm idk whats wrong

A missing required mod will prevent this one from starting.  Check the listed requirements on the mod page, in the File Information box.  Be sure that they are all installed and working.  Zaz Animation Pack (ZAP) 9 is a large download, but the smaller ZAP 8 works fine.

 

A non-appearing MCM is a generic problem, but I can suggest general remedies:

 

Try "setstage SKI_ConfigManagerInstance 1" in the console and wait a minute or two.

 

Enter any other mod's MCM menu, then exit and wait a minute.

 

Reinstall the mod.  That often works for people.

Reinstall SkyUI, and check that you're not using an old version.

 

If it's still not working, you might have a script-heavy game or a game that's become unstable.  There's no solution for that.

You could try it with a new game with a greatly reduced set of mods.  Leave out ones that you don't really need.  If that works, you can add them back in gradually until you find a problem.

[Hex Bolt]

I've been looking at DD 5 devices to add to SLTR.

 

Boxbinders are new, but despite their appearance they block the body slot, removing and blocking torso armor or clothing.  That seems extra punitive (you might not like wearing one for "Time to Relax", especially with a survival mod), and some players might not be aware of this aspect and get surprised (even if I note it in the help text).  Would players really use them, or do boxbinders make more sense in other mods, or only in a new event where body nudity makes sense?

 

With regard to Pony Express, DD 5 added red and white leg cuffs, so I could use those.  However, SLTR uses custom versions of the leg cuffs for the "prancing" animation, one for normal walking and one pony walking.  I dislike having more custom versions of DD items than necessary.  So, I could leave things as they are, with the cuffs being only in black (they're not that big, and to me they look fine with both black and red).  Or, I could support red and white leg cuffs for Pony Express, but remove the blue and pink options (personally, the colors on those don't look quite right anyway) and remove the toggle the lets you switch between normal and prancing mode during the event (you'd be stuck with your choice of animation once the event starts).  I'm leaning toward the latter, but I'm looking for opinions before changing things.

Edited May 27, 2023 by HexBolt8

[valcon767]

fwiw

 

Boxbinders - makes most sense to me to be in an event (new or old) where nudity makes sense or is to be expected.

 

Pony Express - i would be perfectly fine with it left the way it is.  if you are going to add additional colors just adding red and white should be enough.

                        making a choice and being "stuck" with it once the event starts seems to be reasonable to me, whether or not you add more color choices.

 

just my 2 cents worth.

 

[SkyAddiction]

Maybe use the boxbinder as a punishment when the nudity rule is in effect? Perhaps for repeatedly equipping or unequipping items that are either forbidden or required? It seems kind of complicated, but it was the first thing that came to mind.

 

Also, the elbow shackles could be used the same way, so the idea has that going for it.

Edited May 27, 2023 by SkyAddiction

[r3mind]

Although the mod page says "custom followers with specialized frameworks (like Serana and Inigo) will probably not work", I had a surprisingly smooth experience starting this mod with Alternative Start + Kaidan, because you literally spawn in the same prison as him and can roleplay right away (either by manually starting the Lola quest, or heading to Riften from the Abandoned Prison without worrying about enemies on the roads, because he is OP). The only console command I needed to make him work with this mod is "AddToFaction 5c84e 0" (Current Follower Faction). Didn't test it with Inigo or Serana, though (not digging a cat or a vampire girl as a master :D). One of the things I'd love to see integrated with Lola is YPS Immersive Fashion which seems to be worked on again, so the master can act kind of like Father from Wartimes mod and demand different fashion stuff rather than just hair style/color to make PC the real "eye candy"

[Hex Bolt]

2 hours ago, Vigor said:

One of the things I'd love to see integrated with Lola is YPS Immersive Fashion which seems to be worked on again...

I had looked at that earlier and decided against trying to do anything with it.  It's not a "fire & forget" kind of mod, like Simple Slavery, or even the kind like Radiant Prostitution or SLUTS where it can be started up, monitored a while, then SLTR's use of it shut down.  Despite its support for mod events, it would still need a fairly tight integration, with a lot of knowledge of how it works built into SLTR, which I'd rather avoid.  Also, I don't use that mod (though the new flirting feature looks interesting), so I'd have to spend a lot of time working with a mod that just doesn't interest me.

 

I am working new things for the next update that hopefully players will enjoy.

[Karkhel]

I would be over the moon if lola got YPS integration but I completely understand if you don't wanna focus on that, I'm sure someone else will do more general integration with it now that the mod is getting some updates. It is a bit of a shame outside of wartimes you mostly rely on enemies putting smeared makeup on you to immersively start the fashion addiction. As always excited for another lola update, one of those mods that are just permanently part of any mod list I make.

[Talesien]

7 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

I had looked at that earlier and decided against trying to do anything with it.  It's not a "fire & forget" kind of mod, like Simple Slavery, or even the kind like Radiant Prostitution or SLUTS where it can be started up, monitored a while, then SLTR's use of it shut down.  Despite its support for mod events, it would still need a fairly tight integration, with a lot of knowledge of how it works built into SLTR, which I'd rather avoid.  Also, I don't use that mod (though the new flirting feature looks interesting), so I'd have to spend a lot of time working with a mod that just doesn't interest me.

 

I am working new things for the next update that hopefully players will enjoy.

As an SE user (which I guess is representative of the majority of the SLTR players nowadays) I'm also not hot on adding a mod that states:

Quote

Note that development and support for this mod is for LE version only. If you have issues with the SE version, you can still post them (preferably in the SE thread), but I generally will not fix any bugs (though maybe other people here have a solution).

As for Box Binders and Pony Express.

I like the Box Binders, but yes they might be a problem for survival mod users. Perhaps only add them to the mix if nudity is a requirement for Lola anyway.

Pony Express I've no particular preferences really ... except don't make pink mandatory please, I'm not hot on that color in general and the specific rendition looks terrible anyway IMHO.
 

Edited May 27, 2023 by Talesien

[donttouchmethere]

20 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

I've been looking at DD 5 devices to add to SLTR.

 

Boxbinders are new, but despite their appearance they block the body slot, removing and blocking torso armor or clothing.  That seems extra punitive (you might not like wearing one for "Time to Relax", especially with a survival mod), and some players might not be aware of this aspect and get surprised (even if I note it in the help text).  Would players really use them, or do boxbinders make more sense in other mods, or only in a new event where body nudity makes sense?

 

Boxbinders ftw! Those are so hot that the survival mod will die a brutal heat death.

Really if someone has such brutal settings with survival mods in a devious LO then a boxbinder isn't the worst problem to encounter.

 

[Hex Bolt]

1 hour ago, Talesien said:

As an SE user (which I guess is representative of the majority of the SLTR players nowadays) I'm also not hot on adding a mod that states:

I think the author was just being cautious and doesn't want people to get an unpleasant surprise (which is commendable).  I don't see anything in that mod that I'd expect to have a problem with SE.  Worst case, someone else will probably port it (if needed, and if the author is okay with that).

 

1 hour ago, Talesien said:

Pony Express I've no particular preferences really ... except don't make pink mandatory please, I'm not hot on that color in general and the specific rendition looks terrible anyway IMHO.

Yeah, I had tried to improve the pink, but I wasn't very successful.  I'm kind of looking for a good excuse to drop the blue and pink versions, and this could be it.

 

1 hour ago, donttouchmethere said:

Boxbinders ftw! Those are so hot that the survival mod will die a brutal heat death.

Well, it's not just survival mods.  If you're heading to town in bondage for "Time to Relax", you'll be dodging bandits & such without body armor if you don't fast travel.  Of course, players wouldn't be forced to use them.

[Vegetius]

Hi, I have a problem with Gold settings, my owner keeps taking all my gold despite being way over her poverty threshold (950 for a min of 300) and "Owner share of gold" being set to 0%.

 

These are my settings, any help welcome. I'd like to ever have the owner don't take gold if they have enough, or disable the feature all together. Does the "Owner's starting gold" work as the amount the owner will try to get to?

 

 

Edited May 28, 2023 by Vegetius

[donttouchmethere]

14 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

Well, it's not just survival mods.  If you're heading to town in bondage for "Time to Relax", you'll be dodging bandits & such without body armor if you don't fast travel.  Of course, players wouldn't be forced to use them.

Well in that case I also demand that Mistress washes and feeds her bound slave!    ??  + ?????     ☺️

Edited May 28, 2023 by donttouchmethere

[Hex Bolt]

3 hours ago, Vegetius said:

I have a problem with Gold settings, my owner keeps taking all my gold despite being way over her poverty threshold (950 for a min of 300) and "Owner share of gold" being set to 0%.

I don't think that should happen with those settings.  Are you using another mod like Devious Followers that takes your gold?  Are you using the EFF for your follower?  Note that because you have a non-zero value for player expense money, you won't be able to take more than that amount from the owner's inventory.

 

3 hours ago, Vegetius said:

Does the "Owner's starting gold" work as the amount the owner will try to get to?

No.  The target is the poverty threshold.

[Vegetius]

19 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

I don't think that should happen with those settings.  Are you using another mod like Devious Followers that takes your gold?  Are you using the EFF for your follower?  Note that because you have a non-zero value for player expense money, you won't be able to take more than that amount from the owner's inventory.

That's what I figured. No Devious Follower, but yes I use EFF and the Lola extension, is there a problem with them ? Is there a way to reset the mod / settings to default value? I'm kinda afraid to deinstall mid playthrough. It happens right after submission, the owner takes all my gold then any gold I will later take. Maybe it needs a day to pass for everything to get sorted?

 

The player expense was initially to 0 because I expected my owner to just take enough to stay over the poverty thresold, but I set it up to 100 as the daily allowance to max in a desperate attempt to make my owner less of a cleptomaniac, with no luck so far.

Edited May 28, 2023 by Vegetius

[Hex Bolt]

16 minutes ago, Vegetius said:

I'm kinda afraid to deinstall mid playthrough.

That's smart.  Removing mods that have scripts is risky.

 

17 minutes ago, Vegetius said:

No Devious Follower, but yes I use EFF and the Lola extension, is there a problem with them ?

Kalmah's extension is old, not maintained, and probably flakey now.  But I wouldn't remove it, just turn off as much as you can.

 

I suspect that you simply didn't rescan for mods on this mod's Mod Integration MCM page.  I don't use EFF, but my understanding is that most follower inventory (including gold) goes into a separate container.  If SLTR doesn't know that you're using EFF, it looks for gold in the follower's inventory.  If it knows you have EFF, it checks EFF's special follower container.  Rescanning for mods on the Mod Integration page should eliminate the problem.