Submissive Lola: The Resubmission LE/SE

[Sabertoothtigerz89]

On 5/8/2023 at 5:30 AM, HexBolt8 said:

SLATE's function is to add (or remove) tags on animations.  You can use it to add the Feeding tag to any animations that you'd like to use for that purpose ("i downloaded SLAL SE and Vampiric feeding animations for SLAL").

 

That's weird, i got slal se and slal vampiric animations and i can't find them on SLATE

[ScroodPooch]

Is it possible...And if so, how would I go about disabling certain tricks from occurring? There are certain actions I am routinely asked to perform that do nothing for me and I'm wondering if they can be shut off. I've found that tricks are basically an RNG for the numbered tricks, but I can't find where the parameters for the RNG roll are kept.   So I know there is a list of numbers with each assigned to a specific trick and that there is a float that get's reset for TrickToPerform. But I can't see where the RNG roll is specified.  How does the engine know the range of numbers to roll for?

[Hex Bolt]

3 hours ago, ScroodPooch said:

Is it possible...And if so, how would I go about disabling certain tricks from occurring?

There's no provision for disabling short term events like tricks.

 

3 hours ago, ScroodPooch said:

There are certain actions I am routinely asked to perform that do nothing for me....

If there's a problem, report it in as much detail as you can, and I can probably fix it (or it might be an incompatibility on your side that can be fixed).  It's better to fix something than remove it.

[ScroodPooch]

19 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

There's no provision for disabling short term events like tricks.

 

If there's a problem, report it in as much detail as you can, and I can probably fix it (or it might be an incompatibility on your side that can be fixed).  It's better to fix something than remove it.

I'm sorry, I don't think I was clear. No, the mod works fully as intended. I meant that there are certain events that I don't particularly enjoy. Or at least to the frequency that they occur.

 

For example. I don't see the point in having the PC's owner whip the PC "for fun" as the event or "trick" that occurs. especially as many times in a row as they do. I (subjectively) don't believe that's how you are supposed to treat a voluntary slave who is trying their best to please you. Every now and again, on an infrequent basis, I can understand since it is about pleasing the owner. But what I am seeing is straight up abuse and I can't see how someoen wanting a "strong hand to guide them" would see this as "guidence". So I was just looking to switch things up a little. That's all.

 

Edited May 9, 2023 by ScroodPooch

[Hex Bolt]

1 hour ago, ScroodPooch said:

I'm sorry, I don't think I was clear.

Ah, okay, I see now.

 

1 hour ago, ScroodPooch said:

I don't see the point in having the PC's owner whip the PC "for fun" as the event or "trick" that occurs. especially as many times in a row as they do.

That's good information.  You can turn that off.  Unless I've forgotten something, random whipping (not for punishment and not location triggered) is either for motivation ("You haven't been taking your service to me seriously.  I'm going to motivate you to do better.") or as an alternative to zapping ("Sometimes a slave just needs a good whipping.")

 

Motivational whipping is toggled by the "Allow motivational punishment" setting (it's off by default).  Random whipping is controlled by the "Whip rather than random zap" setting (10% chance by default).  Both settings are on the Rules page.

 

1 hour ago, ScroodPooch said:

I (subjectively) don't believe that's how you are supposed to treat a voluntary slave who is trying their best to please you. Every now and again, on an infrequent basis, I can understand since it is about pleasing the owner. But what I am seeing is straight up abuse....

The description for "Whip rather than random zap" starts with "If your owner has a sadistic streak..."  The default 10% gives owners a small dose of sadism and adds some variety to zapping, but players can set it as they like.  0% turns that off.  That sounds like what you want.

 

Of course, zapping is abusive too, but it's a very short event and the severity can be set low.

Edited May 9, 2023 by HexBolt8

[ScroodPooch]

 I can see the appropriateness of these events within the scope of the mod. But I think because certain events require certain submission levels. the early stages are limited in what they offer. So it would seem that "pain" is a lot of the early on events. So, its not that they occur in the 1st place. It's that they repeat frequently.

[Hex Bolt]

1 hour ago, ScroodPooch said:

 I can see the appropriateness of these events within the scope of the mod. But I think because certain events require certain submission levels. the early stages are limited in what they offer. So it would seem that "pain" is a lot of the early on events. So, its not that they occur in the 1st place. It's that they repeat frequently.

The zaps occur often because that kind of thing is valid anytime, anywhere.  It's also a short event, so it doesn't disrupt gameplay.  It seems fair for a little pain (the severity can be set low) to be a significant part of the early training period.

 

In practical terms, there aren't that many things that can be done anytime, anywhere.  Dancing is one, so you'll see that frequently too.  Without zaps, you'd be dancing even more.  Other things have restrictions.  For example, stripping isn't done in towns because that can trigger rape mods.  I'm always open to suggestions for short repeatable events suitable for any (or many) situations and that aren't too disruptive.

[ScroodPooch]

Thanks for the explanation. It makes sense.

 

As for repeatable events. I don't have any ideas. But The one quest I would like to see more done with is the Faster Lola quest. The concept of it is brilliant. But I think it could definitely be expanded upon. I can think of plenty of reasons why The Owner would not want to be hanging out in the wilderness. or maybe  getting to Quest objectives faster. or maybe getting to an inn faster. Or possibly the player's nearest home. Or a major city etc. etc. But I also think it should include having the PC stripped and then have the "Show Arse" scene play (inserting the plug) But then also, the PC would not have time to re dress before having to start running so it would need  to be done naked....Just some things I thought might improve on, or expand the use of that quest.

[ScroodPooch]

P.S. I found the setting you were talking about. 

So, I'll slide it back  I think a mix of whips and shocks would work better.

[Aki K]

On 5/7/2023 at 11:21 PM, HexBolt8 said:

This mod looks for animations with the "Feeding" tag.  You didn't say which animations you installed, but many "vampire" animations do not have that tag.  You can check an animation's tags by mousing over it on the Toggle Animations page of SexLab's MCM.

Can confirm they have the feeding tag (at least some of them do). Still nothing. Mod is sexual vampire feeding. I checked and at least some of them do have the feeding tag, but still nothing happens.

 

On 5/7/2023 at 11:21 PM, HexBolt8 said:

 

What text?  It's a SexLab animation.

 

I meant the text to initiate the vampire feeding works, but the feeding animation never starts.

Edited May 9, 2023 by Aki K

[Hex Bolt]

28 minutes ago, Aki K said:

Can confirm they have the feeding tag (at least some of them do). Still nothing. Mod is sexual vampire feeding. I checked and at least some of them do have the feeding tag, but still nothing happens.

If you never got the warning (it's only displayed once) that no feeding animations are installed, then SLTR found at least one.  However, it's possible that SexLab is having errors trying to start that scene, so nothing happens.  If you can create a papyrus log, it can show output from SexLab that might indicate what's happening.

[Murderdevil]

On 5/6/2023 at 11:21 AM, blahity said:

I use P+ and I haven't been getting errors for whipping or spanking. Are you sure you've enabled spanking animations properly tagged as spanking?

 

yeah, I'm using the SE 1.5.97 though, not the latest AE versions if that matters.

 

As far as I can tell looking in the animations I have spanking anims available and tagged as well.

Sexlab fires when performing regular sex scenes but not the spanking ones for some odd reason.

 

Whipping works though.

[Hex Bolt]

52 minutes ago, Murderdevil said:

As far as I can tell looking in the animations I have spanking anims available and tagged as well.

Sexlab fires when performing regular sex scenes but not the spanking ones for some odd reason.

A papyrus log might reveal any error messages from SexLab.

[Kievs]

Rather random question, but I have given my owner all my restraints, and I have the DD mods installed. I’m not sure if it’s a standard Skyrim thing or from Devious Interests, etc, but she keeps randomly putting on bondage items. This obviously really takes away from her being dominant, and then I have to use my meager funds or spend more time searching for keys to get them off of her. Is there a way to keep your follower/owner from randomly putting things on like that?

[Anunya]

IIRC it's standard Devious Devices behaviour for followers to equip the devious devices you give them. It wouldn't surprise me if there's a setting in DD to turn it off, but you should probably ask in the DD thread.

[rypley]

hello, I have always played with your mod which I appreciate very much but in my new installation (the first since the release of AE) I would like to do without Devious Device which has always caused me problems. 

When I install your mod DD is a master. But I think there is everything you need in ZAZ as a device, isn't there a way for DD to be Optional?

thank you

[Hex Bolt]

40 minutes ago, rypley said:

I have always played with your mod which I appreciate very much but in my new installation (the first since the release of AE) I would like to do without Devious Device which has always caused me problems.  When I install your mod DD is a master. But I think there is everything you need in ZAZ as a device, isn't there a way for DD to be Optional?

I'm really glad that you have enjoyed the mod.  Devious Devices is required.  The mod uses its devices, events, animations, and keywords.  If you have not done so, I encourage you to try the latest version, 5.2.  The SE version of DD should work with your AE installation.  It has bug fixes, performance enhancements, and new features and devices.  If you had trouble before, you might find that those problems are gone in 5.2.  Having DD installed also allows you to use the other bondage themed mods that are based on it, such as Laura's Bondage Shop.

[Antiope_Apollonia]

On 5/4/2023 at 5:17 PM, HexBolt8 said:

Removal of devices during vampire feeding is just not something that I want to work on.

Spoiler

 

Kidding aside, though, if it's a matter of labour rather than a creative choice, is it something where a sufficient share of the burden could be delegated to get the effort required under your threshold?  You probably don't want me doing anything too complex in the CK—I've been trying to learn to set up dialogue scenes for a slavery-related quest and worldbuilding mod I've been working on, but my progress thus far has been... messy... but progress nonetheless—but I'm good at grunt work, especially when it can be done in xEdit instead of the CK.  I'd be happy to shoulder some of your load—not just in this instance; also in general—if there are things within my competence that you want to delegate.

 

Failing that, in the absence of the scene, can we at least just get the devices just automatically stripped during the animation like with the "remove plugs for sex" feature and such?  This just looks quite problematic:

Spoiler

My immersion! ?

 

On 5/4/2023 at 5:33 AM, HexBolt8 said:

- A new MCM Roleplay setting, "Feeding", controls whether the owner stays clothed (such as for neck biting) or strips (for sexual feeding animations).

The MCM toggle seems to currently be broken.  Setting it to "Vampire removes clothing" is preventing any animation from playing.  I've tested this in a situation where Mistress is forcegreeting after a cell change, and swapping the setting back and forth causes and fixes the bug reliably.  I assume that's likely what's going on here, too:

On 5/8/2023 at 4:23 AM, Aki K said:

1. Despite having vampire animations installed, a vampire owner doesn't feed. (doesn't even do a vanilla feeding animation). The text shows up but I just get a score increase and nothing happens.

Do you have the "Vampire removes clothing" setting enabled?  That said, rather than fixing the MCM setting...

On 5/4/2023 at 7:45 AM, Antiope_Apollonia said:

On 5/3/2023 at 8:43 PM, HexBolt8 said:

I'm not sure how to handle this.  I could just switch to naked feeding.  Unnecessary stripping seems better than clothed sex.  Even a toggle would only work well if a player has all nonsexual or all sexual feeding animations (and I'm trying to limit the growth of MCM settings).

Looking at the tags on both mods as they are, I don't see any problem with stripping VampireLesbian, VampireMale, and VampireFemale and not stripping in their absence.  I'll preserve those tags in my patch, so you should be golden.

If it were working, the MCM toggle would definitely be better than no solution, but just using these tags would be a better solution.  All of the sexual animations have one of these three tags, and none of the non-sexual ones do.  

 

On 5/8/2023 at 5:21 AM, HexBolt8 said:

On 5/8/2023 at 4:27 AM, Sabertoothtigerz89 said:

I have looked up this issue in previous posts so my issue is I don't know how to "Tag" animations as "feeding animations", that whole process confuses me, could someone please elaborate on that a bit further?

A mod like SLATE will let you add or remove animation tags.

I'm pretty sure you've said in the past that SLTR checks for either "Feeding" or "Vampire", right?  If that's the case, then all available animations should already have an adequate tag.  If not, though, you probably should check "Vampire" too for maximum compatibility.  In the mean time, just using the patch I posted a page or two ago would be easier than messing with SLATE.  I've never really seen the point of SLATE given that animation tags are contained in easily-accessible JSON files.

 

On 5/4/2023 at 5:33 AM, HexBolt8 said:

- Kissing replaces the old "pretend to lick" option.  If you were pretending before, you'll now use kissing.

Not a huge issue, as it seems to work okay on a new save, but maybe worth mentioning that, on an existing save, the first time you enter a palace after upgrading, Mistress gives the same line as always that, "you're going to lick them clean", but you have the new dialogue that says, "I think I can serve you better by licking your boots,"  with the options to "lick" or "kiss".  After choosing to kiss, the next time she correctly asks to kiss again and everything is fine, but the kiss/lick toggle seems to be "out of synch" with the dialogue the first time it appears.

 

On 5/9/2023 at 11:11 PM, HexBolt8 said:

I'm always open to suggestions for short repeatable events suitable for any (or many) situations and that aren't too disruptive.

I'm not sure it's really your cup of tea, but there are lots of simple events you could do with just little acts of intimacy.  For example, maybe as long as your daily score change is positive, once in a while, Mistress could stop you and have you kneel before Her just to tell you she's proud of the progress you're making and give your head a little gentle stroke.  Or maybe Mistress is just enjoying the view of Her lovely li'l pet and wants to stop for a quick fondle.  Or maybe if your arousal is over a modest threshold, Mistress can smell your scent and just wants a quick taste of your juices.  (I'll leave it to someone else to figure out how male versions would work, but you get the idea.)  I'd love to see more content along those lines, and it'd serve well as low-duration, unintrusive, location-independent events.  I suppose the biggest limitation, aside from your creative interest, would be the ability to find some sufficiently plausible animations, but it wouldn't need to be anything too ambitious in a dialogue-driven mod like this.

 

On 5/9/2023 at 11:45 PM, ScroodPooch said:

But I also think it should include having the PC stripped and then have the "Show Arse" scene play (inserting the plug)

A lot of the other parts of this suggestion seem overly intrusive or hard to implement, but I'll second the spirit of this bit.  Adding a bit more of a procedure to this part would flesh out the event nicely.  It's kind of in the same vein as the pre-feeding scene idea, actually.  Those little elements of formal procedure and routine have always felt like a big part of the genre and subculture, and it probably has something to do with being on the Aspie side, but for me, I think it's a significant part of the draw.  Being expected to assume the position so Mistress can insert the plug—after removing your existing, non-zappy plug if applicable—rather than just skipping over that part and automatically equipping it would make the event feel more fleshed out.

Edited May 12, 2023 by Antiope_Apollonia

[robert.marquis]

I told my master I didn't want to be a slave anymore, and was freed.  This allowed me to complete some vanilla quests.  Now I would like to ask to be a slave again.  Is this possible? I'm not getting a dialogue to re-submit myself to my previous owner.  (I kept my owner as a follower after being freed, if it's a factor.)  If I can't get my first master to take me back, can I do the quest again with another follower?

 

(I apologize if this question has already been asked, but I was too lazy to browse thru 200+ pages.)

[valcon767]

4 hours ago, robert.marquis said:

I told my master I didn't want to be a slave anymore, and was freed.  This allowed me to complete some vanilla quests.  Now I would like to ask to be a slave again.  Is this possible? I'm not getting a dialogue to re-submit myself to my previous owner.  (I kept my owner as a follower after being freed, if it's a factor.)  If I can't get my first master to take me back, can I do the quest again with another follower?

 

(I apologize if this question has already been asked, but I was too lazy to browse thru 200+ pages.)

yes you can resubmit to the same master, but it might have a cooldown period (don't remember offhand).

read the book (again) to start it again.  if you do not have the book the MCM has an option to give you one (iirrc).

 

for future reference there is a "suspend the mod" option in the MCM which will pause everything but not actually free you just so you can do other quests 

and stuff if you have to.

 

[Hex Bolt]

33 minutes ago, robert.marquis said:

I told my master I didn't want to be a slave anymore, and was freed.  This allowed me to complete some vanilla quests.  Now I would like to ask to be a slave again.  Is this possible?

When you leave enslavement, the mod shuts down so as not to be a burden on your game.  As valcon767 said, you must read the book again or restart the quest from the MCM.  There is also a 24-hour waiting period before your former master will take you back.  Leaving enslavement is fairly dramatic, like breaking up with a lover.  If you just need to pause the mod so you can do quests that might be impossible with this mod running, use the mod's MCM feature on the System page to suspend all events as valcon757 suggested.

 

33 minutes ago, robert.marquis said:

...can I do the quest again with another follower?

Yes.

Edited May 12, 2023 by HexBolt8

[CaptainJ03]

50 minutes ago, robert.marquis said:

can I do the quest again with another follower?

Yes, but that feels weird.

But as two people already said, you can resubmit to your initial owner

[Hex Bolt]

2 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

The MCM toggle seems to currently be broken.  Setting it to "Vampire removes clothing" is preventing any animation from playing.

Well, that's embarrassing.  My testing seems to have been inadequate.  Yes, the new option for naked feeding doesn't work.  Players should use the default setting with the vampire being clothed for now.  I have tested a fix for the next update.  I also have a small change that could avoid a timeout when setting up the default clothed-vampire scene, though I'm not sure if that will help.

 

2 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

I'm pretty sure you've said in the past that SLTR checks for either "Feeding" or "Vampire", right?

No, it's always been just "Feeding".

 

2 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

[Regarding Faster, Lola, Faster]  Being expected to assume the position so Mistress can insert the plug—after removing your existing, non-zappy plug if applicable—rather than just skipping over that part and automatically equipping it would make the event feel more fleshed out.

I'd already made a note to look at the possibility of using a pose for inserting the plug, but that might not be as practical as one might think.

 

1 hour ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

Failing that, in the absence of the scene, can we at least just get the devices just automatically stripped during the animation like with the "remove plugs for sex" feature and such?

I don't want to remove devices for vampire feeding.  The collar, in particular, should never come off for any reason during enslavement.  Regardless of how it's rendered in the game, a vampire owner is unlikely to use device that interfere with feeding.  Rationalize that they have holes or, better yet, a sliding panel that allows easy access while hiding the evidence of feeding.  As another option, don't use animations that you think are problematic.  The two feeding animations from "SLAL Pack - Sexual Vampire Feed" look okay to me.  I didn't rigorously test every possible camera angle, but if there's one that looks bad, don't view the event from that angle.  Lots of things in SexLab animations don't look right, notably clipping for sex in beds.  I don't want to get hung up on this.  I don't want to remove devices for vampire feeding.

[April丶]

Hi,when i use the new verson. I found some wrong from S.L.U.T.S event. Now,master tell to send something,the event normal trigger.But about a few second,It automatically moves on to the next stage even though i haven't spoken to the dispatcher yet,and then it will auto complete(Still no dialogue with the dispatcher?).I don't know if that's my reason.But the previous version have no this question.So i wanted to ask about this.

I'm not very familiar with english.I used a part of the machine flip,so please forgive me if there is a problem with the semantic expression,sorry.

 

By the way,my S.L.U.T.S verson is V3.1

[Antiope_Apollonia]

4 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

No, it's always been just "Feeding".

Well, then since all extant animations I'm aware of have "Vampire", and only about half of them have "Feeding", it's probably worth revisiting that.  I can't imagine "Vampire" is being used for anything else that would cause unintended side effects.