Submissive Lola: The Resubmission LE/SE

[Talesien]

3 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

Well, then since all extant animations I'm aware of have "Vampire", and only about half of them have "Feeding", it's probably worth revisiting that.  I can't imagine "Vampire" is being used for anything else that would cause unintended side effects.

Depends, IIRC some Vampire Lord Creature animations also have the Vampire tag, not sure that would cause any problems as SLTR is likely not looking for creature animations. Still given that I wouldn't bet on no animations that are unsuitable for a feeding scene being tagged Vampire.
Why not simply fire up SLATE and fix the tags?

Edited May 12, 2023 by Talesien

[Anunya]

On 5/9/2023 at 2:11 PM, HexBolt8 said:

I'm always open to suggestions for short repeatable events suitable for any (or many) situations and that aren't too disruptive.

 

SubLola is one of my all time favourite mods and I enjoy brainstorming... so here are a handful of ideas. As always take, leave, or modify as suits you

 

Support The Troops

• Master and Lola pass by a Stormcloak / Imperial / Hold patrol
• Master asks Lola if she'd like to support the troops.
• There's a range of answers available for Lola
• Outcomes - depending on answer and Master's mood (RNG) can include:
  • Some simple banter with Master
  • Having to talk to some of the soldiers, thanking them for their service; possibly with various responses.
  • Having to offer the soldiers some drinks/ food
  • Having to have sex with one or more soldiers
  • Having to have sex with a bunch of soldiers at once

Tools of the Trade

• Master breaks one of the beating implements from his toy box and tells Lola to make a replacement.
• Would need a crafting recipe.

Devotion & Potions

• Every so often Master will demand one or more stamina / healing / magicka potions.
  • Perhaps the type is configurable in the MCM (so it makes sense for the NPC in question)
  • Perhaps there's some sort of scaling where PC/Master level means there's an expected power level for the potion with submission score gained or lost corresponds to the strength of the potion is stronger or weaker respectively.
• Could be triggered purely on a time basis, after combat, or possibly after Lola has interacted with an alchemy station.

Service Please

• Radiant Prostitution already has a "bring food and drink" module at the inn, and there's an option to have your Master function as your pimp (i.e. inn keeper). Seems to me there might be an easy win where the Master wants to be hospitable.
  • One option is in a player owned home, Lola is sent to fetch some guests (or randoms just show up) and then serve them food and drink for a bit.
  • Another option is when Lola and Master enter a private home, Lola has to serve the folks there.
  • Could potentially be combined with some cooking demands.

Research Subject

• A court or college wizard asks if they can use Lola to try out an experimental spell. The answer is "of course".
• Results in temporary minor buff / minor debuff / minor cosmetic change.

Beast of Burden

• Master tells Lola to carry some stuff for him until they get to the next town.

Inspection

• "Strip naked, assume the position"
  • Position could be the one used for punishment whipping or something from gunslicer
• Master inspects Lola's body
• Possible results include "okay carry on" or moving into one of the other regular events (eye candy, dance for me, sex, collar check, etc).

... just some thoughts. Having spent some time trying to brainstorm here really emphasizes how much content SubLola already has. So many bases are already covered so it's hard to come up with something new. 

 

[Hex Bolt]

2 hours ago, Anunya said:

Master tells Lola to carry some stuff for him until they get to the next town.

Thank you for the ideas.  This one, however, is already implemented twice in SLTR as "Burden of Service" and "The Heavy Stuff" ("I must carry some extra stuff for my Master until we reach a town, or home.")  One of Lola's possible responses is "I guess this collar means I'm sworn to carry your burdens."

 

I have a to-do item for a possible soldier camp feature.  A challenge there is that some areas marked as camps can be abandoned at various points in the game, but scanning for soldiers might overcome that.  Another difficulty is that Imperial camps by default only have male soldiers, possibly limiting sex options depending on player sex preferences.  Dancing for the troops might be an alternative.

 

3 hours ago, Anunya said:

Every so often Master will demand one or more stamina / healing / magicka potions.

I really like this one.  The mod should be able to recognize valid player-crafted potions, so alchemy can play a role (or a player can just loot or buy potions).  It might be a weekly quota or, as you mentioned, a request for one after combat.  Players would probably have to manually set a required potion value, since it's possible to achieve a high submission score at a low level.

 

3 hours ago, Anunya said:

Another option is when Lola and Master enter a private home, Lola has to serve the folks there.

Sort of the same but in reverse, I have a possible feature to send Lola to serve in a citizen's home, possibly as a pony girl, or maybe just for sex, more like a Home Visit.  An advantage is that the PC doesn't need a home for this.

 

3 hours ago, Anunya said:

Having spent some time trying to brainstorm here really emphasizes how much content SubLola already has. So many bases are already covered so it's hard to come up with something new. 

It can be hard to come up with new ideas that Skyrim and existing animations can support without overly complex (and fragile) scenes or scripting.  Thanks for the suggestions.

[ScroodPooch]

What about a prank mode? There is a pool of prank / practical jokes that the owner will play on Lola. Similar to the hiding clothes in inns. Maybe expand on it. Have Lola stripped in other public places and has to find their clothes /equipment. Maybe even have the locals in on it too. So Lola has to "convince" them and get's little breadcrumb clues from the town's citizens. Basically, Lola is set up in ways that usually end up having Lola naked in public.

 

What about incorporating the "Bathing in Skyrim mod" or even make your own mechanic. I believe  Babo had made some animations for it. But have the owner lead Lola to water in public places such as in front of Dragon's Reach. Or maybe the stream in Markarth, or the lower sections of Riften...Etc...Where the owner orders Lola to strip and bathe publicly.

 

Take a page out of POP. Where Lola requires discipline. So the owner kills 2 birds with one stone. By charging a fee to anyone who would be interested to Spank, whip or zap Lola in the town square.

 

Multiple destination delivery service. Lola has to drop off one package, pick up another, and deliver them within time limits, but throw a twist  where the deliveries don't always go to the next merchant so Lola has to be quick about it Especially if the merchants require some "personal service" Or maybe the merchants strip and/or equip (devices) on lola and send Lola on their way.

Edited May 12, 2023 by ScroodPooch

[CaptainJ03]

11 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

Another difficulty is that Imperial camps by default only have male soldiers, possibly limiting sex options depending on player sex preferences. 

This always annoyed me so I installed

Zak's Imperial Female guards and Soldiers

and because guards never take off their stupid helmet, I added

Guards Use Vanilla Open Helms

to the mix. Now you can even kiss guards and cloakies.

[Black714]

what happen if player seperated with her dom quite long because quest ex: Black Book Apocrypha, Skuldafn, Cidhna Mine? or player dismiss the dom follower for to long?

 

 

[ScroodPooch]

11 hours ago, CaptainJ03 said:

This always annoyed me so I installed

Zak's Imperial Female guards and Soldiers

and because guards never take off their stupid helmet, I added

Guards Use Vanilla Open Helms

to the mix. Now you can even kiss guards and cloakies.

This might also work for you.

I haven't really used it in SSE. But it works in SLE. Basically unnamed NPCs are female. This does include guards and I believe soldiers as well as bandits and hunters.

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/14482

Edited May 13, 2023 by ScroodPooch

[Hex Bolt]

4 hours ago, Black714 said:

what happen if player seperated with her dom quite long because quest ex: Black Book Apocrypha, Skuldafn, Cidhna Mine? or player dismiss the dom follower for to long?

If you use a follower framework, you should be able to have follower wait forever without the vanilla behavior of automatically leaving after a few days (I know that Nethers Follower Framework supports this, and I assume that the others do too).  If the owner is somehow removed as a follower, you'll have to find that NPC and recruit it again.

[Sabertoothtigerz89]

On 5/12/2023 at 4:26 AM, Antiope_Apollonia said:

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I'm pretty sure you've said in the past that SLTR checks for either "Feeding" or "Vampire", right?  If that's the case, then all available animations should already have an adequate tag.  If not, though, you probably should check "Vampire" too for maximum compatibility.  In the mean time, just using the patch I posted a page or two ago would be easier than messing with SLATE.  I've never really seen the point of SLATE given that animation tags are contained in easily-accessible JSON files.

 

I've downloaded your patch, unfortunently on mo2 i can't set data as priority so it won't work properly, i ignored that warning and launched skyrim regardless, i checked the tags on vampire and feeding and there's nothing, no tags associated with any animation, no animation is pre-set to those tags, it's as if i got no animations for vampiric feeding at all, yet i do, i downloaded and installed vampiric feeding se from here loverslab on multiple ocassions.

[Aki K]

I thought I was on the latest version. Still having the "time to relax bug." Going to try a full reinstall to see if that fixes it. But I'm not near the carrying capacity and the moment I'm not in a city, the time to relax quest starts again. I think there needs to be a way to disable this quest outright.

 

EDIT: Reinstall worked. 

Edited May 14, 2023 by Aki K

[Hex Bolt]

1 hour ago, Sabertoothtigerz89 said:

it's as if i got no animations for vampiric feeding at all, yet i do, i downloaded and installed vampiric feeding se from here loverslab on multiple ocassions.

After observing something that seems to be impossible, it's useful to go back and confirm the facts.  In this instance, try starting one of the vampiric feeding animations from SexLab's MCM on the Animation Editor page.

 

42 minutes ago, Aki K said:

I thought I was on the latest version. Still having the "time to relax bug." Going to try a full reinstall to see if that fixes it.

Most likely, you were not on the latest version.  Before publishing that version, I tested the fix and I was not able to create the problem.  It was accidentally caused by a change in a recent earlier version.  I found the cause and fixed it.  I believe the problem is solved.  Trying a full reinstall is a good idea.  Be sure that you do not have any stray scripts left over from an earlier installation.

[Sabertoothtigerz89]

49 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

After observing something that seems to be impossible, it's useful to go back and confirm the facts.  In this instance, try starting one of the vampiric feeding animations from SexLab's MCM on the Animation Editor page.

 

I don't even see the vampiric feeding animations in sexlab, and i downloaded this 

 plus the merged version, plus the slal pack it's all in the bottom of the load order, both the mods and the plugins, yet sexlab mcm menu doesn't show the animations in their listings.

[Talesien]

55 minutes ago, Sabertoothtigerz89 said:

 

I don't even see the vampiric feeding animations in sexlab, and i downloaded this 

 plus the merged version, plus the slal pack it's all in the bottom of the load order, both the mods and the plugins, yet sexlab mcm menu doesn't show the animations in their listings.

Did you register it using SL AnimLoader?
Perhaps re-read and follow the "Requirements and installation" section of that mod.

Edited May 13, 2023 by Talesien

[Antiope_Apollonia]

22 hours ago, ScroodPooch said:

What about incorporating the "Bathing in Skyrim mod" or even make your own mechanic. I believe  Babo had made some animations for it. But have the owner lead Lola to water in public places such as in front of Dragon's Reach. Or maybe the stream in Markarth, or the lower sections of Riften...Etc...Where the owner orders Lola to strip and bathe publicly.

I've always had a bathing scene in the back of my mind for SLTR, but I've never been able to come up with a good plausible implementation.  That was actually the original context I had in mind for the little collar-removal ritual recently discussed in the context of vampire feeding.  You can't never remove the collar—it'd get disgusting under there!  A good slave is a clean slave!  And bathing scenes are a common trope in B&D erotica stories I enjoy, and they're often really nice.  Having to be washed by someone else is both very submissive and very intimate.  We wash our dogs or our horses both because we don't trust them to take care of themselves and because we care about their wellbeing.  Washing in veritable sewer water in Whiterun or Riften doesn't sound much like a good, hygienic bath, though!

 

If I could ever figure out a way that SLTR could practically implement a bathing scene, I'd love to see it, but I'm not overly optimistic that it's feasible within the design principles of the mod.

 

17 hours ago, CaptainJ03 said:

This always annoyed me so I installed

Zak's Imperial Female guards and Soldiers

If you haven't tried it, one of the most underrated mods in my load order is Full Random NPC.  It not only adds plenty of the best-looking female Imperials from any of the alternatives I've seen, but it also just adds a tonne of diversity to non-unique NPCs of all kinds.  They're really nice looking aesthetically, and in my thousands of hours of play with it, I've never had any issues.  Mostly, it's just fleshing out the roster of possible bandits, mages, etc., but it also adds some nondescript students to the College, some random travellers on the roads, some servants to the cities (which I've patched to re-cast as fellow slaves—I can make a shareable version if people want it), etc.  

 

5 hours ago, Sabertoothtigerz89 said:

I've downloaded your patch, unfortunently on mo2 i can't set data as priority so it won't work properly, i ignored that warning and launched skyrim regardless, i checked the tags on vampire and feeding and there's nothing, no tags associated with any animation, no animation is pre-set to those tags, it's as if i got no animations for vampiric feeding at all, yet i do, i downloaded and installed vampiric feeding se from here loverslab on multiple ocassions.

Hmm.  I don't use MO2, so I don't know how to troubleshoot it.  How would you install a pure texture replacer, with no ESP, using MO2?  This should basically be the same thing.  I've tested it with Vortex, and it works fine there; with as passionately as some people would argue for the unequivocal inferiority of anyone who doesn't use MO2, it's hard to imagine it can't handle something Vortex can. ? It's really simple, though; tags are just defined by JSON files.  You can open the archive I made to see the correct file path for where to look—or it's just Data\SLAnims\JSON\—and then manually replace your JSONs with mine, or even just edit them yourself.  Or, of course, you also can use SLATE, but I always found it really unwieldy, and editing the JSONs is really easy once you know what to do.  

[Antiope_Apollonia]

3 hours ago, Sabertoothtigerz89 said:

 plus the merged version, plus the slal pack it's all in the bottom of the load order, both the mods and the plugins, yet sexlab mcm menu doesn't show the animations in their listings.

You don't need the merged version or any ESP.  You just need the SLAL pack, and you need SLAL to install it with.  If you don't know what SLAL is, start here.

[Sabertoothtigerz89]

3 hours ago, Talesien said:

Did you register it using SL AnimLoader?
Perhaps re-read and follow the "Requirements and installation" section of that mod.

 

yes, i double checked right now the requirements and installations and all it's dependencies, i checked the mods it needs.

it needs jcontainers, sexlab se, and sexlab se needs sexlab framework which i also have, fuz ro d'oh is optional and i chose not to install it.

i downloaded the main sexual vampire animations, the sexual vampire slal pack, and the merged version, i skiped the .esl one because all it does is prevent the mod to be an .esp for the 255 plugin count max, which i'm not close to, so i'm fine there.

i did install all of those mods and then followed the instructions proper, i even ran fnis everytime before i launch skyrim through skse on mo2.

while in game, i did open sexlab anim loader, i can't find the vampire feeding pack or sexual vampire pack in it, there's no packs to be found, i just click enable all, register, registering says "register 0 new animations", when i count them the number is always 110 animations which i believe is the base sexlab animation counting.

i did however update jcontainers because i had an older version and submissive lola won't give custom confessions to our masters/mistresses unless u use jcontainers but the updated version, since i'm on the latest version of se before ae, i don't know if that affects anything...

 

While inside the slal mcm menu i don't see any option to find any packs to install...can someone guide me on that step?

 

[Sabertoothtigerz89]

1 hour ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

Hmm.  I don't use MO2, so I don't know how to troubleshoot it.  How would you install a pure texture replacer, with no ESP, using MO2?  This should basically be the same thing.  I've tested it with Vortex, and it works fine there; with as passionately as some people would argue for the unequivocal inferiority of anyone who doesn't use MO2, it's hard to imagine it can't handle something Vortex can. ? It's really simple, though; tags are just defined by JSON files.  You can open the archive I made to see the correct file path for where to look—or it's just Data\SLAnims\JSON\—and then manually replace your JSONs with mine, or even just edit them yourself.  Or, of course, you also can use SLATE, but I always found it really unwieldy, and editing the JSONs is really easy once you know what to do.  

Well unfortunently i do not have the know how experience on how to edit JSON's, i'm just a casual skyrim player "yes those exist", who isn't very proficient at modding, and basically only knows how to do easy 1 or 2 steps in modding and let the mod manager do most of the hard work I even struggle with SSEdit. But back onto my problem, I didn't find SLATE to be helpful at all, yes I get it, I know what it is meant to do, but you are saying I should basically copy paste your JSON file onto the sexual vampire feeding mod?

[Sabertoothtigerz89]

1 hour ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

You don't need the merged version or any ESP.  You just need the SLAL pack, and you need SLAL to install it with.  If you don't know what SLAL is, start here.

I figured i wouldn't need the merged version, but that doesn't seem to be any problem right now, my problem is with SLAL, i do have the pack, it is installed at a lower or rather bottom order than SLAL, as to load after the SLAL mod itself, i read through it, and all seems easy enough, just as I thought previously, but I still for the life of me, cannot manage in game to install or know or see how to install the SLAL Vampire pack through SLAL, it just is not there.

[Sabertoothtigerz89]

Everyone, I finally managed to install the animations, case closed lol

[Antiope_Apollonia]

18 minutes ago, Sabertoothtigerz89 said:

downloaded the main sexual vampire animations, the sexual vampire slal pack, and the merged version, i skiped the .esl one because all it does is prevent the mod to be an .esp for the 255 plugin count max, which i'm not close to, so i'm fine there.

You installed a bunch of redundant stuff.  For SLTR, you only need the SLAL pack.  If you also want a bunch of prostitutes wandering Skyrim with dialogue for a vampire PC to feed on them and some other similar content for vampire PCs, then install the merged version instead.  Presumably, if your Mistress is a vampire, you're not, so you don't have a use for that content and only need the animations.

  

11 minutes ago, Sabertoothtigerz89 said:

but you are saying I should basically copy paste your JSON file onto the sexual vampire feeding mod?

There are about half a dozen ways to skin this cat.  One of them—maybe the easiest for a novice modder?—would be to extract the SLAL Pack - Sexual Vampire Feed SE.7z, replace its JSON with mine, then re-archive it with 7zip, winrar, winzip, or whatever you use, then install that with your mod manager.  

[Talesien]

2 hours ago, Sabertoothtigerz89 said:

it needs jcontainers, sexlab se, and sexlab se needs sexlab framework which i also have, fuz ro d'oh is optional and i chose not to install it.

Umh, last time I checked Fuz Ro D'oh is not optional for SLTR. I suspect it becomes kinda optional if you also use the voice file, but then that's likely slightly outdated by now, so you could end up with some lines zipping by.

[Sabertoothtigerz89]

2 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

You installed a bunch of redundant stuff.  For SLTR, you only need the SLAL pack.  If you also want a bunch of prostitutes wandering Skyrim with dialogue for a vampire PC to feed on them and some other similar content for vampire PCs, then install the merged version instead.  Presumably, if your Mistress is a vampire, you're not, so you don't have a use for that content and only need the animations.

In this case my character isn't a vampire but I have Serana as a vampire and she's my dommy mommy lol I just wanted her to feed on me but i needed the sexual vampire feeding stuff instead of the oral default sexlab animation.

[Hex Bolt]

2 hours ago, Sabertoothtigerz89 said:

...fuz ro d'oh is optional and i chose not to install it.

Fuz Ro D-oh is listed as requirement for this mod because you do need it.  Even with a voice pack, new lines are often added and existing lines can change, so you'll miss some NPC dialog without it.  It's only an SKSE plugin (plus a few sound files), so there's no reason not to install it.  It's only optional in the sense that SLTR won't flat-out fail if it's not installed.

 

16 minutes ago, Talesien said:

Umh, last time I checked Fuz Ro D'oh is not optional for SLTR. I suspect it becomes kinda optional if you also use the voice file, but then that's likely slightly outdated by now, so you could end up with some lines zipping by.

I'd meant to comment on that earlier, but I forgot, then you reminded me.  

Edited May 14, 2023 by HexBolt8

[Sabertoothtigerz89]

36 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

Fuz Ro D-oh is listed as requirement for this mod because you do need it.  Even with a voice pack, new lines are often added and existing lines can change, so you'll miss some NPC dialog without it.  It's only an SKSE plugin (plus a few sound files), so there's no reason not to install it.  It's only optional in the sense that SLTR won't flat-out fail if it's not installed.

oh. i don't wanna miss out on content then, i'll gladly add it now.

 

(edit) uhh i already had it installed my bad.. weird lol, yea i wish that our mistress could be voice acted like by vxsynth or whatever that voice program is.

Edited May 14, 2023 by Sabertoothtigerz89

[Antiope_Apollonia]

6 hours ago, Sabertoothtigerz89 said:

(edit) uhh i already had it installed my bad.. weird lol, yea i wish that our mistress could be voice acted like by vxsynth or whatever that voice program is.

She can, but it's from about a dozen versions ago, so a lot of new lines aren't voiced, and some that have changed are slightly mismatched.  There's an update file somewhere in this thread that brings it up to 2.0.55, but I'll let you dig that up.