Submissive Lola: The Resubmission LE/SE

[Vegetius]

I think I got it, when I go in EFF "Inventory", I see the 950 gold, but it seems that the gold the owner takes goes into "Equipment". This is mentioned in the mod description "Roggvir:  EFF compatibility scripts for owner's "inventory" versus "container".  But I can't seem to find those files. I use the last version.

 

After seeing your answer: I tried to rescan, without luck (was pretty sure I did it). I thought EFF was the recommended framework, I have no favorite, should I use another one.

 

It seems the easy fix is to take the gold spawned in to "Inventory", then the owner takes what she need and put it into the right container.

Edited May 28, 2023 by Vegetius

[Hex Bolt]

23 minutes ago, Vegetius said:

It seems the easy fix is to take the gold spawned in to "Inventory", then the owner takes what she need and put it into the right container.

I'm guessing that something didn't work right with EFF.  Did you maybe install it after getting enslaved by this mod?  If so, EFF might not have noticed the owner's starting gold since it would have been in the wrong place.

 

Your situation seems to be unique.  EFF is a popular framework, so if the gold handling isn't working right, that should be broken for all EFF users, and I'd be seeing a lot of bug reports.  If the problem with gold persists, I suggest setting the poverty level to zero, so the owner will never take gold from you.

 

27 minutes ago, Vegetius said:

I thought EFF was the recommended framework, I have no favorite, should I use another one.

EFF is a popular framework, a solid choice.  It's stable, and it's not being changed, so no new bugs are being introduced.  You should not switch follower frameworks mid-game.  My personal preference is Nethers (NFF), particularly for follower sandboxing in towns and inns, but the choice of framework is a personal one based on the features that you like.  This mod should work well with EFF, NFF, or AFT (and vanilla, of course, if you'll never have more than one follower).

[r3mind]

Just before I was about to create the best gold sink in Skyrim with gold sharing + the OwnerExpensePercent slider set to 30-40% (simulating the Master spending all PC's hard earned gold on booze and immersive wenches), I realized it doesn't work at all.

After some testing I figured out the reason: "int IRS = ((MCM.OwnerExpensePercent / 100) * (ownerGold - expenses)) as int" in "vkjmq" script.

"(MCM.OwnerExpensePercent / 100)" always returns 0, because it's converted to int right away (I have very little experience with skyrim scripts, but I know how to make small changes and compile :D).

 

Changing it to "int IRS = (MCM.OwnerExpensePercent * (ownerGold - expenses)) / 100 as int" solves the problem. Now the girl really gotta find some locations with rich bandits and treasure chests if she doesn't wanna end up working in a tavern... 6x Less Loot mod doesn't help it either.

Also I think it would make sense to use ownerExpenseLevel in the calculation above, so the owner spends bigger % of his gold in big towns and lesser in villages, although it would mean he'd just spend all his gold in 1 day in Solitude if OwnerExpensePercent is above 66.

[Hex Bolt]

4 hours ago, Vigor said:

"(MCM.OwnerExpensePercent / 100)" always returns 0, because it's converted to int right away

Thank you for reporting this.  It's fixed now for the next update.  I just changed 100 to 100.0, but it's the same result as your change.

 

4 hours ago, Vigor said:

Also I think it would make sense to use ownerExpenseLevel in the calculation above, so the owner spends bigger % of his gold in big towns and lesser in villages, although it would mean he'd just spend all his gold in 1 day in Solitude if OwnerExpensePercent is above 66.

That would make sense, but I think the percentage expenses is just intended to be a steady gold sink, and I'd be reluctant to change it and possibly surprise players.  As you mentioned, that 1.5 factor for cities is a real kicker.

[Vegetius]

On 5/28/2023 at 6:59 PM, HexBolt8 said:

I'm guessing that something didn't work right with EFF.  Did you maybe install it after getting enslaved by this mod?  If so, EFF might not have noticed the owner's starting gold since it would have been in the wrong place.

 

Your situation seems to be unique.  EFF is a popular framework, so if the gold handling isn't working right, that should be broken for all EFF users, and I'd be seeing a lot of bug reports.  If the problem with gold persists, I suggest setting the poverty level to zero, so the owner will never take gold from you.

 

EFF is a popular framework, a solid choice.  It's stable, and it's not being changed, so no new bugs are being introduced.  You should not switch follower frameworks mid-game.  My personal preference is Nethers (NFF), particularly for follower sandboxing in towns and inns, but the choice of framework is a personal one based on the features that you like.  This mod should work well with EFF, NFF, or AFT (and vanilla, of course, if you'll never have more than one follower).

Nope, it was an all fresh install from the start. That's no biggie anyway, it's just for the owner starting gold.

 

Also, I though I might share something funny, I use Alive Peeing from the nexus, and peing on someone is considered an attack. If you ever pee on you owner boots, she will consider it an attack and harshly punish you. I thought it to be a happy accident.

[donttouchmethere]

- Ultimate Combat will cause whipping scenes to not work.

It is compatible with whipping if:

> don't overwrite any FNIS animations with it

> keep UC plugin above FNIS.esp

> deactivate PC stagger in UC MCM (stagger will throw PC out of zap furniture and breaks animations)

 

- Better Dialogue Controls has caused problems for some people, only because they couldn't view more than 5 dialog options.  If you can scroll through dialog choices, you're okay.

> Works fine and shows all dialogues

> if in doubt there is an option in the dialogue windows [more] that shows additional dialogues. So far only additional SL dialogues hides further options there.

 

[Hex Bolt]

53 minutes ago, donttouchmethere said:

Ultimate Combat will cause whipping scenes to not work.  It is compatible with whipping if...

Thanks!  I'll update the mod page with that info the next time.

[donttouchmethere]

8 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

Thanks!  I'll update the mod page with that info the next time.

Thx!

Just tested it (again) on my new LO to make sure UC works with whipping.

 

Another good way to break whipping is to not ticking the "Gender Specific Animations" patch in FNIS.

Just in case someone wants to repeat my errors ?

Edited May 30, 2023 by donttouchmethere

[PolskiHusarz20]

Hello,
I've got some ideas, some better than other, maybe few of them  are good enough to be added to the mod:

- Rework/Variant of getting sold after contract ends - PC gets sold only when the score is too low (currently its used to extend the contract)

- Getting locked in chastity devices when not tasked to have sex or as an punishment (in the latter the belt should have opening for ass so the PC would still be able to fulfil her duties)

- Getting locked in some devious devices/furnitures with time limit - PC has to escape them in limited time, if done too quickly the event should repeat with harder devices, if it takes too long then PC should either be punished in some way like losing points or being forbidden for taking them off. Possibly that can be used as an harder Eye-candy order ending, Master would lock the PC in DD when Lola asks for permission to wear clothes. If she fails to get out of such predicament then she should wear them instead. In terms of devious contraptions - maybe being locked publicly to be mocked and abused by strangers while Master does something else

- Punishment for talking with someone else without Masters permission - another way to dehumanize Lola, might be annoying for people who want to remain adventurers desppite their ordeal

- SLSO integration - right now pleasing master is far too easy, PC just has start sex. SLSO integration would increase the events such as prostitution, offering sex etc. and would make training more important SL Survival has that feature for example. Another possible use is orgasm limit per day for Lola. There is no harm in her trying to tease herself but that aspect of her privacy should be controlled as well - Collar should a device to do just that, not by actively shock her (at least not initially) but by counting them. During collar controls Master would also check the counter and decide what to do.

- SL skills training - mostly an addon to previous suggestion but can work on its own too, increased points from having sex with Master and/or Playmate, reward for Tomb Raider, mod event when PC has low skills 

- Spanking/Whipping rewards only after receiving it from the Master - the mods theme is that the Lola does not know what is good for her so its kinda weird when suddenly at some point she wants to get spanked and/or whipped, even if she never received such treatment

- Generall expansion of device selection in the mod

- Keeping high morale - slight tie in to the civil war questline, if the PC and Master show up near the camp/fortress/city which belongs to side which Master supports (imo player should decide which one is preffered by the Master) then Lola should be made to cheer them up a bit. 

- Seeking glory - Master knows that he has the direct control of the most powerful being in Skyrim and wants to abuse it for its own gain, he might sometimes force Lola to go to the Jarl/Inn to get the newest bounty letter for either whatever they want dead, get the job done and after that admit that the Master was the real hero in this errand

- Magicka and/or Stamina redistribution - Master knows that Lola is slowly but surely getting stronger and stronger but he does not want that, well at least a daily basis, so tinkered with the devices to make them absorb magicka and/or stamina from Lola in daily life but in a fight they will overload her with energy to make sure she will deal with any threat. That should only apply when PC reaches certain level so the starting the game as a slave right away would not make the game too hard

Also I cannot get enslaved when using any other method than dialogue, I used Public Whore and Simple Slavery and neither seem to work. I selected buyer and after the event simply nothing happens except the quest start. I would be grateful for any suggestion regarding that issue.

That's all for now.
Thanks for your attention.

[Gudulba]

When visiting Solitude with the mistress, first the fashion event triggered (my PC got dressed accordingly) and then shortly after that the pony girl quest triggered. I got a quest entry along the line "you have 24 hours to go to the dispatcher and make the delivery". But I had hardly finished reading the new quest entry when this quest ended itself automatically and moved down to the finished quest entries.

 

Is this a known behaviour? I use S.L.U.T.S. Resume 3.1 on SE.

[Hex Bolt]

2 hours ago, Gudulba said:

When visiting Solitude with the mistress, first the fashion event triggered (my PC got dressed accordingly) and then shortly after that the pony girl quest triggered. I got a quest entry along the line "you have 24 hours to go to the dispatcher and make the delivery". But I had hardly finished reading the new quest entry when this quest ended itself automatically and moved down to the finished quest entries.

That's a bug.  I'd recently made a change to be sure that the quest would always end when the SLUTS job is completed.  I've found a gap in the logic, so unfortunately the quest ended very quickly.  I've fixed that oversight for the next update.  SLTR supports both SLUTS Redux and Resume, and Resume has more quest paths than Redux, so catching the state changes correctly has been a little challenging.

[Hex Bolt]

5 hours ago, PolskiHusarz20 said:

Rework/Variant of getting sold after contract ends - PC gets sold only when the score is too low (currently its used to extend the contract)

Thank you for the ideas!  This is less of a threat than it might seem.  You don't like your master, so you misbehave until you're given a new master, who hopefully you'll like more.  If not, repeat.  If only this worked in real life if you don't like your boss!  Anyway, the owner understands this and isn't going to let you have your way.

 

5 hours ago, PolskiHusarz20 said:

Getting locked in chastity devices when not tasked to have sex or as an punishment (in the latter the belt should have opening for ass so the PC would still be able to fulfil her duties)

I have a note to look at belts, but they do limit sex options, especially for other mods.  It might work as a fairly short-term punishment.

 

5 hours ago, PolskiHusarz20 said:

Getting locked in some devious devices/furnitures with time limit

Not quite the same, but I have a possible "play time" feature idea like the one in DD Helpers.

 

5 hours ago, PolskiHusarz20 said:

In terms of devious contraptions - maybe being locked publicly to be mocked and abused by strangers while Master does something else

I'm really reluctant to immobilize the PC for more than a minute or so without something interesting happening.  Some mods have done this well, but usually as a one-time scene.  I'll add a note to consider immobilization for very low score.  That would be a real punishment.

 

5 hours ago, PolskiHusarz20 said:

Punishment for talking with someone else without Masters permission

Hmm, difficult to detect and enforce, and it would conflict with any mod or quest that uses a force greeting.

 

5 hours ago, PolskiHusarz20 said:

SLSO integration

Just my opinion, but mods that try to integrate with SLSO tend to get overly complex, then they become fragile.  I like the idea, but the implementation is a concern.

 

5 hours ago, PolskiHusarz20 said:

SL skills training - mostly an addon to previous suggestion but can work on its own too, increased points from having sex with Master and/or Playmate, reward for Tomb Raider, mod event when PC has low skills

Well, I'm not sure how this would work.  Tomb Raider already teaches a skill point.  Nethers Follower Framework also lets a follower teach skills (I'm not sure if EFF or AFT do that).  There's also the question of whether sex should really be rewarded.  Lola is a fuck toy.  She doesn't have a choice about sex.  A reward for doing it well could make sense, but there's the complexity issue with SLSO.

 

5 hours ago, PolskiHusarz20 said:

Spanking/Whipping rewards only after receiving it from the Master - the mods theme is that the Lola does not know what is good for her so its kinda weird when suddenly at some point she wants to get spanked and/or whipped, even if she never received such treatment

You must be a very well behaved slave.    Actually, it's probably because score increases so easily and there aren't many ways to fail and be punished without being unlucky (though the optional motivational punishments would get you an early whipping).  As a point of interest, the default score increase setting in the next version will be 50%, which might slow reaching very submissive levels in just a few days (if players use the defaults).

 

I think I can add a restriction that the PC must have been spanked or whipped during the current enslavement before being able to request it.

 

5 hours ago, PolskiHusarz20 said:

Generall expansion of device selection in the mod

Any specific suggestions?  For the next update, I've already included a few color variants that DD 5 added.  I'm considering adding boxbinders, but there hasn't been much feedback with regard to them and they have the forced-nudity aspect.  I also have a to-do item to revisit Fashion Slave to look at new options, such as a corset rather than a hobble dress, but that would probably be for a later version.  There's another to-do item to look at using butt plugs.  Inflatable ones would be especially easy since they're a "fire & forget" device; let Lola escape from it when she can.

 

6 hours ago, PolskiHusarz20 said:

Master knows that he has the direct control of the most powerful being in Skyrim...

Only if one plays as the Dragonborn.  Various alternate start mods let people play as just a regular adventurer.  So, SLTR ignores the Dragonborn thing.  Maybe you are, maybe you're not.

 

6 hours ago, PolskiHusarz20 said:

Master knows that Lola is slowly but surely getting stronger and stronger but he does not want that, well at least a daily basis, so tinkered with the devices to make them absorb magicka and/or stamina from Lola in daily life but in a fight they will overload her with energy to make sure she will deal with any threat.

Isn't that just making combat a lot easier?  I'd pay good money to buy a device that would reduce magicka & stamina normally but supercharge them in a fight.

 

6 hours ago, PolskiHusarz20 said:

I cannot get enslaved when using any other method than dialogue, I used Public Whore and Simple Slavery and neither seem to work. I selected buyer and after the event simply nothing happens except the quest start.

A key difference is that the dialog start requires that the future owner already be a follower (except for the SS option when the current follower owner buys you at the auction).

 

This mod uses the standard function call to make a potential follower a current follower.  Follower frameworks often replace those scripts, but that's okay because they use the same function.  However, if you have a custom follower that has a unique recruitment script (such as a follower with a custom voice), recruitment will fail and SLTR can't continue.  Also, a very slow PC or script-lagged game might fail to recruit the follower fast enough.  If recruitment fails, SLTR displays a pop-up message, "Unable to make a follower of [name]".

[PolskiHusarz20]

4 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

 

 

Any specific suggestions?  For the next update, I've already included a few color variants that DD 5 added.  I'm considering adding boxbinders, but there hasn't been much feedback with regard to them and they have the forced-nudity aspect.  I also have a to-do item to revisit Fashion Slave to look at new options, such as a corset rather than a hobble dress, but that would probably be for a later version.  There's another to-do item to look at using butt plugs.  Inflatable ones would be especially easy since they're a "fire & forget" device; let Lola escape from it when she can.

Well I think that corset might look quite well with the dress.
Catsuits and harnesses too would look great on Lola. 
I'm not sure but if they are already included in the mod but I personally really like these thigh high ballet boots.
Also I wouldn't mind having an option to replace the pony gear with something less animalistic like corset and boots mentioned above + ballgag/ring gag.
Good think you mentioned different ways of playing the game, maybe some people might want to keep as much immersion as possible and returning to society just after being publicly humiliated (more or less) by choice, maybe she should have an option to wear a face mask in certain areas (at least until her score reaches certain threshold). That might also provide some options for blackmail dialogues.
Another idea I have is asking Master to for these devices which otherwise are available only through task, to wear them at any given time (except tasks which require other equipment of course), maybe for a passive small score increase for each day spent wearing them. 

And back to the ending of contract for a moment - maybe istead of reenslavement Master might provide another form of punishment like putting Lola in set of devious devices if she dissapoints him (or he might be a d*** and do it no matter what, kinda like current chance for auction option). 

About immobilizing Lola - locking her in static contraptions might be used for whipping, but yeah indeed there are limited amount of options for meaningful integration which would not involve waiting and trial and just continously clicking at different escape options.

Anyway - thanks for the solution to my SS++ problem, oh and that gave me an idea, maybe make it more foolproof by providing a special dialogue with follower which would go a bit like that:

PC: There are many dangers out there, the slavers, terrify me the most.
NPC: Well, I might have a solution for that, but that requires your complete trust in what I might have to do in that situation. 
PC: Why is it so important?
NPC: Because they will not allow me to simply release you like so, only their freedom fund can do that and you know that any money you put into it are gone.
PC: So what you propose, I can try to bid your way out but you'll need to fullfil an enslavement contract just to get everything right in the paperwork, lucky for you I don't want your gold for that/I want less money than the fund/I will give you your money back any time you want but I will not bid for you then.
PC: I'm not ready for that/Thank's! Here's money/More dialogue which will inevitably lead to having to choose one of the previous options

[Hex Bolt]

5 minutes ago, PolskiHusarz20 said:

I'm not sure but if they are already included in the mod but I personally really like these thigh high ballet boots.

They're not, though that's a good suggestion.  You can see much of them with the hobble skirt, but you' see all of them with the restrictive corset.  Although the corset is visually a lot more revealing, hobble skirts are technically "naked" because they don't have the keywords for body clothing or armor, so vulnerability to rape mods would be the same.  A corset would look nice with panties, though the player would have to provide those.

 

18 minutes ago, PolskiHusarz20 said:

I wouldn't mind having an option to replace the pony gear with something less animalistic like corset and boots mentioned above + ballgag/ring gag.

Possibly for another event, but the pony theme is key to Pony Express.

 

20 minutes ago, PolskiHusarz20 said:

maybe istead of reenslavement Master might provide another form of punishment like putting Lola in set of devious devices if she dissapoints him (or he might be a d*** and do it no matter what, kinda like current chance for auction option). 

That's a good idea, a chance to be bound head to toe in devices and the owner takes all your keys.  A chastity belt with shocking plugs would top off the bondage.  Enjoy the freedom you wanted!

 

31 minutes ago, PolskiHusarz20 said:

freedom fund

You can sort of role play that in your head.  If the freedom fund buyout fails (not enough gold), and you have the follower's name as your agent, and Lola is the only outcome, you could image that the follower you trusted to buy your freedom actually used your own gold to buy you as a slave.

 

I was actually looking at that just yesterday, but the freedom fund failure message is fixed, and it doesn't fit that scenario because it says your agent failed to buy you.  You'd have to pretend a bit.

[akssi]

I want to ask you gentlemen
Do you guys have any MCO combat moves tied to Devious Devices?

[PolskiHusarz20]

9 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

10 hours ago, PolskiHusarz20 said:

maybe istead of reenslavement Master might provide another form of punishment like putting Lola in set of devious devices if she dissapoints him (or he might be a d*** and do it no matter what, kinda like current chance for auction option). 

That's a good idea, a chance to be bound head to toe in devices and the owner takes all your keys.  A chastity belt with shocking plugs would top off the bondage.  Enjoy the freedom you wanted!

And one last thing at least for now, imo it there also should a be chance a chance for goodbye party with one last gangbang because why the hell not

[Hex Bolt]

1 hour ago, PolskiHusarz20 said:

there also should a be chance a chance for goodbye party with one last gangbang because why the hell not

The whipping seems sufficient for a sendoff, and players might just want to get on with the game if they weren't enjoying the mod enough to keep using it.

 

Thigh-high boots (DD calls them "restrictive boots", which is confusing because ballet isn't in the name, just the description) are now available for the Fashion Slave event.  I've also included catsuit boots for those who'd rather not see the PC walk on her toes.  Corsets and body harnesses are new alternatives to the hobble dress.  Tomorrow will be lots of testing to see what I just broke.

Edited June 1, 2023 by HexBolt8

[Talesien]

15 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

Thigh-high boots (DD calls them "restrictive boots", which is confusing because ballet isn't in the name, just the description) are now available for the Fashion Slave event.  I've also included catsuit boots for those who'd rather not see the PC walk on her toes.

If you don't mind, I would love to see the Waxed Bondage Heels as an option. The only pair of DD foot gear that actually looks stylish IMHO, thus the most fitting for that event (again IMHO of course ^^).

Edited June 1, 2023 by Talesien

[Hex Bolt]

4 minutes ago, Talesien said:

Waxed Bondage Heels

I don't see anything in DD like that.

Edited June 1, 2023 by HexBolt8

[Miauzi]

Vor 9 Minuten sagte HexBolt8:

So etwas sehe ich bei DD nicht.

 

They are from Mod Laura's Bondage Shop - but they only use DD stuff.

Edited June 1, 2023 by Miauzi

[Gräfin Zeppelin]

3 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

 

Those are called Ballet Heels or so. Might I ask you what ENB you use ? It looks interesting.

[Miauzi]

1 minute ago, Gräfin Zeppelin said:

Man nennt sie Ballet Heels oder so. Darf ich Sie fragen, welches ENB Sie verwenden? Es sieht interessant aus.

 

ENB?

No - I have not installed - this is all "vanilla" in the game - probably this comes from the mod.

(Info I added only a few minutes ago)

 

 

[Hex Bolt]

So, when the talk turns to shoes, who pops up to talk?   

 

19 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

They are from Mod Laura's Bondage Shop - but they only use DD stuff.

Those look like the Black Leather Slave Ballet Heels.  Those are already available, first choice in the list.

[Miauzi]

Vor 9 Minuten sagte HexBolt8:

Wenn es also um Schuhe geht, wer kommt dann zum Reden?  

 

Die sehen aus wie die Sklaven-Ballettabsätze aus schwarzem Leder. Diese sind bereits verfügbar, erste Wahl in der Liste.

 

I assume that this is exactly what he means.

 

I can tell you... my companion recorder... when she sees these shoes on Laura for the first time...

?

[shrtjsrtj]

10 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

I have a note to look at belts, but they do limit sex options, especially for other mods.  It might work as a fairly short-term punishment.

 

 

What about chastity piercings? Unfortunately there aren't any in DD so I had to mod one into my own game, but they work a lot better visually for sexlab animations.

 

YPS has a couple of sets of rings in an addon it uses for chastity piercings and Toys has something too, some labia rings that can be locked together.