Submissive Lola: The Resubmission LE/SE

[Antiope_Apollonia]

 

2 hours ago, Roggvir said:

My voice packs are not good for everybody.

Seems like a great approach as far as I can tell.  I can't think of any reason that wouldn't work for me, so if you do share it, I'd be very grateful!  

 

2 hours ago, Roggvir said:

and i still have to do manual tweaking of many "owner-only" lines (but only for the follower voices i like, which is female dark elf, and maybe female condescending).

If you need help with transcriptions, I assume you're the sort of person who could easily write a script to convert IPA transcriptions to ARPAbet or whatever the bizarre, non-IPA phonetic transcription thing that xVASynth uses instead of the IPA is called.  I'm a linguist, so I can do IPA transcriptions for you in my sleep if needed.  I looked at that alternative system when I saw that it's what xVASynth uses, though, and I don't think I'd be any better with it than the next layperson.

[valcon767]

19 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

Yeah, I've mostly broken the habit of relying on fast travel, and I agree it makes for a more interesting experience in the aggregate.  Not only does the world feel bigger, but you just get to know it a lot more intimately.  But just relying on abstinence causes tension between the roleplaying part of my brain and the competitive gaming, optimising part.  So I'm thinking it's time to implement a mod setup that will resolve that tension in advance.  

 

So even if Hex doesn't use such mods, I'm interested in anyone else's setup they're willing to share!

currently playing fallout, but i did look up what i was using last.

 

combination of Better Fast Travel (more carriage locations) and Sexlab Survival map mechanic (can not fast travel without a map or map and compass) and

i just never bought/made a map.  you can still fast travel without a map if you look at a map somewhere (like in Dragonsreach).

 

 

[Roggvir]

4 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

 

Seems like a great approach as far as I can tell.  I can't think of any reason that wouldn't work for me, so if you do share it, I'd be very grateful!  

 

If you need help with transcriptions, I assume you're the sort of person who could easily write a script to convert IPA transcriptions to ARPAbet or whatever the bizarre, non-IPA phonetic transcription thing that xVASynth uses instead of the IPA is called.  I'm a linguist, so I can do IPA transcriptions for you in my sleep if needed.  I looked at that alternative system when I saw that it's what xVASynth uses, though, and I don't think I'd be any better with it than the next layperson.

I will drop a message here, once the voice pack is finished.

Regarding the IPA/ARPAbet, i think i would manage, but having a help from somebody who knows what they're doing, would be of course better, so thank you.
I am not at that point yet, but if i feel like i could use the help, i'll let you know.

[belegost]

Just wanted to clarify something that I asked several weeks ago in this (I think it was in here) thread, namely the matter of SDA Serana and if she can become a mistress after completing Dawnguard. Back then I didnt know if that was possible, but now after finishing it, I do know.

 

She can't.

SDA edits her extensively and she is not even considered a follower by the game itself. She has her own logic and special status. As an evidence of this, my PC was caught in Winterhold by SLS enforcer for supposedly not having an "escort", despite Serana being with her, ported to Windhelm and forced a generic SLS-generated follower on her. When SDA Serana is with you, you can take another human follower, even without something like NFF, as she does not occupy a follower slot. Yes, technically you could achieve this in vanilla as well, but that was actually due to a bug and you could not dismiss that "extra" follower for the rest of the game if you wanted to have both her and another person, but that's neither here nor there.

Bear in mind this is SDA I am talking about. I have no idea about vanilla. Maybe you can make her a  mistress, maybe you can't. That's irrelevant in this particular case and I leave that for someone else to test out.

Edited April 18, 2023 by belegost

[Antiope_Apollonia]

4 hours ago, belegost said:

SDA

Has nothing to do with SDA.  Everything you describe is vanilla behaviour. 

 

It has long been a source of great sadness to be unable to submit to Serana's guiding hand, but SLTR would need to set up a whole special mechanism for handling just her, and the squeeze has been deemed too great for the juice.

[ratolas]

6 hours ago, belegost said:

Just wanted to clarify something that I asked several weeks ago in this (I think it was in here) thread, namely the matter of SDA Serana and if she can become a mistress after completing Dawnguard. Back then I didnt know if that was possible, but now after finishing it, I do know.

 

She can't.

SDA edits her extensively and she is not even considered a follower by the game itself. She has her own logic and special status. As an evidence of this, my PC was caught in Winterhold by SLS enforcer for supposedly not having an "escort", despite Serana being with her, ported to Windhelm and forced a generic SLS-generated follower on her. When SDA Serana is with you, you can take another human follower, even without something like NFF, as she does not occupy a follower slot. Yes, technically you could achieve this in vanilla as well, but that was actually due to a bug and you could not dismiss that "extra" follower for the rest of the game if you wanted to have both her and another person, but that's neither here nor there.

Bear in mind this is SDA I am talking about. I have no idea about vanilla. Maybe you can make her a  mistress, maybe you can't. That's irrelevant in this particular case and I leave that for someone else to test out.

Serana has been my character's mistress for more than a year and no conflicts with SDA, just finish the DLC, open console commands, add her to the potential follower faction and there you have it, and it also counts for SLS followers, and more importantly, it won't break her AI so it's fine to do it 

[akssi]

Is this lola extension compatible with your lola?

[coffeeink]

@akssiit is. It is an add-on to this lola. I hook into the existing Lola content.

 

this mod is basically the hard requirement.

But i recommend using the latest version from discord (I currently overwrite 1,2 scripts from mods which I needed to modify because of what i think are bugs).

I'm currently polishing the last quest, MCM needs to be done and than it's ready for release for the first content wave.

 

But be aware it's a dev version. not fully tested yet

[akssi]

12 minutes ago, coffeeink said:

@阿克西这是。它是这个萝拉的附加组件。我连接到现有的 Lola 内容。

 

这个mod基本上是硬性要求。

但我建议使用来自 discord 的最新版本（我目前覆盖了 mods 中的 1,2 个脚本，我认为这些脚本是错误的，因此我需要修改它们）。

我目前正在完善最后一个任务，MCM 需要完成，并且已经准备好发布第一波内容。

 

但请注意，这是一个开发版本。还没有完全测试

OK
But I also want to ask what is the specific content of this MOD?

[coffeeink]

tbh. I would wait until it's fully released and documented. Currently, every new release could mean a new save is required.

It contains basically new rules and tasks for Lola.

[ecastellvi]

Hi, let me tell you first that I love this mod, everytime I come back to skyrim this is on the top of my priotirties. 

 

Now, I'm having an issue with the spanking... it's not happening, it's not that I don't have spanking animations but when the spank comes on the table, Lola and her Mistres don't do anything, they just stay there looking at each other. They also get stuck and I have to load a previous save. Any idea what could be hapening? Thanks!

[Hex Bolt]

21 minutes ago, ecastellvi said:

Hi, let me tell you first that I love this mod, everytime I come back to skyrim this is on the top of my priotirties. 

Great to hear!

 

21 minutes ago, ecastellvi said:

I'm having an issue with the spanking... it's not happening, it's not that I don't have spanking animations but when the spank comes on the table, Lola and her Mistres don't do anything, they just stay there looking at each other. They also get stuck and I have to load a previous save.

Check that your installed animations have at least one that does not use furniture (does not have the "Furniture" or "Chair" tags) or that your MCM setting for "Spanking with furniture" allows it anywhere.

[assassin394]

This mod only work with vanilla companion? Who should I choose as a Mistress? Maybe Aela?

[Antiope_Apollonia]

2 hours ago, assassin394 said:

This mod only work with vanilla companion? Who should I choose as a Mistress? Maybe Aela?

It works with any follower who uses the vanilla follower system, which is almost all of them.  There are a handful of follower mods—Arissa the Wandering Rogue, for example—that have a whole separate behaviour system that bypasses the vanilla follower mechanic entirely.  Those won't work, but the vast array of "just another pretty face" follower mods out there work fine.  As to whom you should choose, well, no one can answer that but yourself; whom do you think you would enjoy serving?

[ScroodPooch]

1 hour ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

It works with any follower who uses the vanilla follower system, which is almost all of them.  There are a handful of follower mods—Arissa the Wandering Rogue, for example—that have a whole separate behaviour system that bypasses the vanilla follower mechanic entirely.  Those won't work, but the vast array of "just another pretty face" follower mods out there work fine.  As to whom you should choose, well, no one can answer that but yourself; whom do you think you would enjoy serving?

The thing that I dislike about the vanilla follower system is the form list grouped voice types. All of Bethesda's followers use it. It's a feeble attempt to separate out dialogue from character to character.

 

The problem with these kinds of "framework" mods is that it tries to accommodate all the different options. It has to really. So you end up playing with one particular follower but so much time and effort went into making the mod compatible with any character. And so the issue you have with dialogue. Especially if you use the voice packs, is that you end up with conflicting dialogue.

 

Hexbolt even tried to compensate for this with Lydia. She admits there is a split in her dialogue between being a housecarl and a master.

 

Because of the form list based dialoge, it remains extremely easy to get an NPC to say anything you want. However. It's nearly impossible to get them to refrain from saying somethign you don;t want.  Even in the vanilla dialogue, Uthegerd has contradictory dialogue. At one time she barks out a command "Now let's move!" and the next statement is "What can I do for you today?"

 

 

I would recommend using any one of the custom followers on Nexus. Use the ones that have one of the vanilla voice types, which is EXTREMELY easy to change using TES5Edit / SSEEdit. So it's a little easier to lose SOME of the contradictory dialoge.

[Hex Bolt]

23 minutes ago, ScroodPooch said:

I would recommend using any one of the custom followers on Nexus.

This is my own preference.  Unless I have a story in mind that requires a vanilla follower or hireling, I like a blank page.  Custom followers can have any background, personality, and motivations.  I usually make a few edits to the follower mod to exclude lines that just don't fit, like "Not sure you should be walking around naked" when this is the person who ordered the nudity.

[TheSweetest1234]

hello, please help me, what should I do if after I put on the collar and introduce myself to the lady, nothing else happens, this is normal, I have already played a lot, as a result, I was not ordered to do anything, if I start a dialogue with her, he only says that he will not call me by name

Edited April 21, 2023 by TheSweetest1234

[ecastellvi]

On 4/20/2023 at 6:27 PM, HexBolt8 said:

Check that your installed animations have at least one that does not use furniture (does not have the "Furniture" or "Chair" tags) or that your MCM setting for "Spanking with furniture" allows it anywhere.

Ooops I thought I had answered this... I have at least two spanking animations without any kind of furniture tags and the MCM setting allows the furniture anywhere.

[Hex Bolt]

2 hours ago, TheSweetest1234 said:

what should I do if after I put on the collar and introduce myself to the lady, nothing else happens

Nothing at all?  The follower should at least respond "So you did it." or "Changed your mind?"

 

2 hours ago, TheSweetest1234 said:

...this is normal, I have already played a lot, as a result, I was not ordered to do anything...

I do not know why you are saying that this is normal, or how it is related to playing a lot.  I really don't understand what you are saying.

 

2 hours ago, TheSweetest1234 said:

...if I start a dialogue with her, he only says that he will not call me by name

Unfortunately, I do not understand this either.  There is a conversation after the success with the collar (when the follower says "So you did it") when the follower changes your name to Lola, and you can then say that you like it or don't like it, that's not what you are describing, so I'm confused.  Before I can help, I need a good description of what is happening.

 

It seems that English might not be your first language.  It can be really hard to explain a problem in another language, so that might be why we're having trouble communicating.  It might help if you describe the problem in your native language and use an online translator to translate that to English, or if that is not practical for you, just explain it here in your native language and I will use an online translator.  Please provide as much detail in your description of the problem as you can.

[Hex Bolt]

1 hour ago, ecastellvi said:

I have at least two spanking animations without any kind of furniture tags and the MCM setting allows the furniture anywhere.

This mod looks for animations with the tags "Spanking" or "Spank".  Do your spanking animations have these tags?  Have you tested these animations to be sure that they work, such as by using the Animation Editor page on the SexLab MCM?

[assassin394]

9 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

It works with any follower who uses the vanilla follower system, which is almost all of them.  There are a handful of follower mods—Arissa the Wandering Rogue, for example—that have a whole separate behaviour system that bypasses the vanilla follower mechanic entirely.  Those won't work, but the vast array of "just another pretty face" follower mods out there work fine.  As to whom you should choose, well, no one can answer that but yourself; whom do you think you would enjoy serving?

So follower mod with custom AI like Daegon, Auri won't work? too bad I think Daegon would make a great mistress. As for vanilla follower I don't have anyone in mind that fit the role playing perspective. Maybe Serana but I just started a new playthrough and I don't feel like going through Dawnguard questline for the 100 times now.

Edited April 22, 2023 by assassin394

[CaptainJ03]

1 hour ago, assassin394 said:

As for vanilla follower I don't have anyone in mind that fit the role playing perspective. Maybe Serana but I just started a new playthrough and I don't feel like going through Dawnguard questline for the 100 times now.

Serana is an un-vanilla as you can get, and it states on this mod's first page that she is no valid choice for being your mistress (not until you've finished that Dawnguard questline, and then still needs a tweak)

[assassin394]

 What is the SubmissiveLolaResubmission -Optional - RidingCrop SE.7z file is for?

[CaptainJ03]

10 minutes ago, assassin394 said:

 What is the SubmissiveLolaResubmission -Optional - RidingCrop SE.7z file is for?

There is one scene when you enter your home, Mistress orders you to bring her something t beat you with. You can ask her to get things from her toybox, and as there are no riding crops or canes in the vanilla game, Hexbolt made some, that you can even display on a weapon rack.

[ecastellvi]

6 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

This mod looks for animations with the tags "Spanking" or "Spank".  Do your spanking animations have these tags?  Have you tested these animations to be sure that they work, such as by using the Animation Editor page on the SexLab MCM?

I don't seem to have FF spanking animations or at least none with that tag. Could that be the issue?