Submissive Lola: The Resubmission LE/SE

[Naps-On-Dirt]

17 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

I'm looking for feedback from users of the Bimbos of Skyrim mod.

 

I haven't used it, but I recently noticed that it would be easy to have some events in SLTR add bimbo corruption points to the PC, much like a few things in SLTR decrease Devious Followers resistance.  As with Devious Followers, SLTR wouldn't become a fast track for bimbofication, just an immersive way to give a nudge to a character who's already on that slippery path.  My thought is that a configurable option could a allow corruption point to be gained for spanking and whipping, just as corruption can be gained by being the victim of aggressive sex in BoS.  SLTR's hair change event might also apply.  For players who've used BoS, does this make sense?

 

Submissiveness does not equate to being a bimbo, so there's no direct link between the two, but I though the spanking and whipping in SLTR might give a personality that's already inclined toward being a bimbo a little push in that direction.  That is, if players of BoS think that's reasonable.  It's just an idea.  I did investigate enough to know that the owner and playmate can be protected from the bimbo curse if exposed to a bimbo PC.

 

I think that would be great, having Lola events add bimbo corruption.  If the spanking and whipping is the easiest way to do it I say go for it.  

[Hex Bolt]

3 hours ago, kapibar said:

The usual servitute kneeling works just fine, no interruptions. It's just this specific situation: the contract has ran out, the PC is asking for a new contract, the owner orders PC to kneel - here's when the dialogue is broken and has to be repeated.

Hmm, I can't recreate that one.  I tried the yes response and the nod response, clicking through and not clicking through.  There are no condition checks for the next lines at the point where you kneel, so if it did somehow break there, I don't see how doing it again would make it work.  Are you using a voice pack?  I wonder if that might have a glitch.

[SkyAddiction]

6 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

Thank you for the ideas, but what I'd had in mind was a simple, passive integration, very much like what the mod does with Devious Followers, where a few events can optionally reduce DF resistance.  I saw a parallel with BoS corruption, though @SkyAddiction has said that's not a good fit.  Because BoS has a mod event to add corruption points, I was just looking to see if something quick and simple could be done with that.

 

Adding BoS corruption would work fine with higher levels of submission because both BoS and SLTR have internal thoughts and SLTR's default lines would be hard to distinguish from BoS' with a high submission score. Also, BoS has a very strong emphasis on sex and sexualization, much less so on punishment. That's why I think the prostitution, confession, and trophy slave events would fit better with BoS corruption. All three are, by default, much more sexual than any of the spanking/whipping events.

 

What I meant by adding your own content was fairly simple stuff. Checking to see if the PC is a bimbo is fairly simple. If true, the owner might occasionally make comments about it. e.g.: "How about you stop daydreaming and drooling over dicks and get back to work, slut." That way you have full control over it and you can add as much or little as you want. 

[Hex Bolt]

12 minutes ago, SkyAddiction said:

I think the prostitution, confession, and trophy slave events would fit better with BoS corruption. All three are, by default, much more sexual than any of the spanking/whipping events.

Did you mean "I Am Famous" rather than Confession (which doesn't involve sex or even nudity)?  Would public display evets like the Whiterun walk and Pony Express fit?  I'm just trying to figure out what might fit and if it's worthwhile.

[SkyAddiction]

16 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

Did you mean "I Am Famous" rather than Confession (which doesn't involve sex or even nudity)?  Would public display evets like the Whiterun walk and Pony Express fit?  I'm just trying to figure out what might fit and if it's worthwhile.

 

I did mean the confession quest as the default confessions themselves are purely sexual in nature, even if the quest itself is not. "I am Famous" and the Whiterun walk would work too. I've never actually triggered the "Pony Express" quest because it's not my thing (I love SLTR's modularity, btw), so I don't really know about that one.

 

Anything that's overtly sexual in nature, either by inclusion of actual sex or dialogue, would work.

 

Edit: The Bard's College quest would work quite well too.

Edited April 4, 2023 by SkyAddiction

[kapibar]

6 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

Are you using a voice pack?  I wonder if that might have a glitch.

Yup, I do.

 

6 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

so if it did somehow break there, I don't see how doing it again would make it work.

Oh, that's simple. When your PC goes into kneeling position, the dialogue breaks. But when you restart the dialogue immediately, PC is already in the kneeling position assumed in the previous attempt, thus doesn't need to kneel and the dialogue progresses.

Edited April 4, 2023 by kapibar

[Hex Bolt]

1 hour ago, kapibar said:

When your PC goes into kneeling position, the dialogue breaks.

I don't see how kneeling would break dialog.  The mod does this in other places.  Were you perhaps in first person view mode?

[kapibar]

11 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

I don't see how kneeling would break dialog.  The mod does this in other places.  Were you perhaps in first person view mode?

I think you might be right and it's the voice pack that's messing stuff up.

[Hex Bolt]

46 minutes ago, kapibar said:

I think you might be right and it's the voice pack that's messing stuff up.

Voice packs will be playing catch-up soon.  I added some alternative lines today for the strict owner attitude.  The existing wording is too playful.

[kapibar]

29 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

Voice packs will be playing catch-up soon.  I added some alternative lines today for the strict owner attitude.  The existing wording is too playful.

I don't disagree. The difference between playful/strict is not really that noticeable. Have you thought about changing the entire "strict" experience into something more... strict in more than words only?

[shiagwen]

19 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

No.

 

Submissive Lola: The Resubmission

why then is new hair style faded out in mcm and not usable ?

and the licking boots scene when entering palace does work in the meaning that master tells pc that, but nothing going on anymore. earlier versions did work the licking boots scene, the enough of the master and standing up. now nothing. 

and forced prostituition seems to not start anymore.

 

whats new in my load order ? troubles with heroine and the ancient profession.

[kapibar]

Another oversight - the owner doesn't recognize Hearthfire home as a city and tends to bind PC when they exceed weight limit. This is rather ridiculous and the player needs to go out of their way in order to visit the city, that's usually not exactly within the walking range from HF houses.

[Psalam]

13 minutes ago, kapibar said:

Another oversight - the owner doesn't recognize Hearthfire home as a city and tends to bind PC when they exceed weight limit. This is rather ridiculous and the player needs to go out of their way in order to visit the city, that's usually not exactly within the walking range from HF houses.

I've noticed this but it appears that what SLtR does not recognize is the EXTERIOR of a Hearthfire home.  Once I've gone inside it appears to work normally.

[kapibar]

2 hours ago, Psalam said:

I've noticed this but it appears that what SLtR does not recognize is the EXTERIOR of a Hearthfire home.  Once I've gone inside it appears to work normally.

I went inside and still there was no dialogue to remove the binder. Plus I was bound inside.

Edit: Fuck me. It happened again, identical situation, armbinder equipped inside, but this time the option for release was actually present o.O.

Edited April 4, 2023 by kapibar

[Rylalei]

Hey, I saw some talks about a more "intrusive" type of events, and honestly, I for one kinda like that idea, but I also see your point about not wanting it in the main file, so I was wondering if you, or someone with the know how, could maybe add those more intrusive events as an add-on similar to SLTR extension?

 

That way, people who want that more intrusive gameplay early on can get it, while those that don't want it, don't need to bother with it as it's not in the main file.

 

I find the idea of having the "intrusion" level be kind of a reverse bell curve quite interesting, at the start Lola needs to be educated on what being a slave entrails, which means she's mostly getting little to no time for herself, after a while she understands the rules, her duty, etc, so she's able to do her own stuff while also serving her master, and later at high scores, she's the one going out of her way to satisfy her master.

 

As I kinda agree with the take that at the start, there's kinda little in terms of what to do, so while the stuff in the main file could be considered the "right now, I don't trust you with more than this", the additional file could have more chores and restrictions. Some things that I can say off the top of my head could be:

- when entering a player home/inn, get a timer of "can't leave for X hours" with X being MCM configurable randomly between Y and Z amounts, to complete the "quest" just have Lola ask "Are we leaving?" or something similar

- when entering a walled city, same as above, with the addition to maybe even have it limited not only to hours, but days as well, afterall, the master needs time to relax/has errands in the city, potentially MCM configurable with randomly between 1 day up to 7 days max. That way players have the option to leave whenever, have to stay a few hours in the city, or stay a few days, based on their own preferences.

 

The above two could have a score threshold, or be permanent, aka, unless stopped in the MCM, they are active regardless of score.

 

- not use melee/ranged/any weapon picked randomly for X hours or until X score, if it's for hours, it can be repeatable quest until a certain score, aka when the master trusts Lola enough, or if it's until a certain score, it can be something like say 0-30 can't use any weapon, 30-45 can only use ranged weapons, 45-60 can use ranged or heavy weapons (greatsword/warhammer, etc), 60+ can use any weapon. I for one would prefer the score system one, as that one came to mind more from the perspective of a more "skeptical" master, as in, if Lola is bought, how can the master know if she won't try to kill him/her in order to escape when they are in the wilderness or somewhere more secluded, or if Lola started with the book, how can the master know if she doesn't have ulterior motives? I could see some people preferring the time based one, others the score based, others neither.

- some more errand type quests, such as "go get X from Y", with Y being a randomly designated NPC

[Hex Bolt]

6 hours ago, shiagwen said:

why then is new hair style faded out in mcm and not usable ?

If the style is already in the list, you're prevented from adding it again.

 

6 hours ago, shiagwen said:

the licking boots scene when entering palace does work in the meaning that master tells pc that, but nothing going on anymore.

I tried it just now.  It worked okay for me.

 

6 hours ago, shiagwen said:

forced prostituition seems to not start anymore.

Keep in mind that it has a cooldown and a chance setting, it will only start between 8 AM and 10 PM, your score must be above the threshold setting, and the PC must not have a belt equipped that blocks anal sex.

[Hex Bolt]

11 hours ago, kapibar said:

The difference between playful/strict is not really that noticeable. Have you thought about changing the entire "strict" experience into something more... strict in more than words only?

Generally, no, because the mod settings let the player adjust the severity of events; the owner's unreasonableness; how much score (the measure of the owner's opinion of Lola's submissiveness) increases, decreases, and decays; how easy it is to satisfy daily service goals; how much of the gold the owner keeps; and the frequency of rough sex.  The mod settings give the player control over the owner's deeds and reactions.  The attitude setting changes the owner's words.  As of now, the only effect of attitude on events is that one minor event is excluded for the strict attitude, because a player made a good argument that it just didn't fit (I have a to-do item to look at building a separate dialog for that event, if possible).

 

5 hours ago, Psalam said:

I've noticed this but it appears that what SLtR does not recognize is the EXTERIOR of a Hearthfire home.  Once I've gone inside it appears to work normally.

That's right.  It's a game limitation.  There is no keyword for the yard of a player house, or a good way to assign it (exterior cell boundaries are not modifiable and they rarely line up with anything reasonable).  You must be inside your home to be "at home".

 

A small convenience feature is that Time To Relax will not start while the PC is in range of one the mod's nudity markers, since their intended purpose is to mark an area outside a player home for required nudity.  This lets you lug around heavy stuff near your house, such as gathering materials to work at a forge.  Unfortunately, the reverse isn't practical, so nudity markers don't let you finish that quest.

[Hex Bolt]

3 hours ago, Rylalei said:

...not use melee/ranged/any weapon ... until a certain score, it can be something like say 0-30 can't use any weapon, 30-45 can only use ranged weapons...

This is a good example of a set of rules best handled by roleplay.  In some games, I've done exactly that -- thought up a set of weapon restrictions based on score and self-enforced them.  You can image the work to build mod rules for this, with the chance for bugs or unanticipated problems, especially with all the weapon and combat mods that add new weapons and change different aspects of the game.  Those rules would need an interface in the MCM.  We can't leave out mages, so the rules and settings would have to cover spells as well as shouts.  That's a complex system.

 

In general, it's best for the mod to do things to you (or keep track of things for you) rather than restrict you.

 

Certainly, the mod does impose some restrictions (you must wear a collar and must be nude in some areas), but it's easy enough for players to come up with their own restrictions and enforce them.  For example, I require my slave to wear one outfit in town, another for prostitution, another at home, and often another one when visiting a jarl.  Some of those outfits also change depending on score.  This would be a complex system to build in the mod.

 

Development time is better spent having the mod do things that you can't do yourself, like following the owner for the Whiterun walk, having dialog with NPCs (Confessions, I Am Famous, etc.), being put on display at the slave market, and so on.  It's also useful for the mod to count for you (tracking prostitution earnings, especially if it takes several game sessions to finish) or time you for Run, Lola, Run.  So, I tend to focus on this kind of functionality, and leave complex restrictions to the player.  I welcome suggestions, but understand that complex restrictions will probably lose out to other features.

[Rylalei]

4 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

This is a good example of a set of rules best handled by roleplay.  In some games, I've done exactly that -- thought up a set of weapon restrictions based on score and self-enforced them.  You can image the work to build mod rules for this, with the chance for bugs or unanticipated problems, especially with all the weapon and combat mods that add new weapons and change different aspects of the game.  Those rules would need an interface in the MCM.  We can't leave out mages, so the rules and settings would have to cover spells as well as shouts.  That's a complex system.

 

In general, it's best for the mod to do things to you (or keep track of things for you) rather than restrict you.

 

Certainly, the mod does impose some restrictions (you must wear a collar and must be nude in some areas), but it's easy enough for players to come up with their own restrictions and enforce them.  For example, I require my slave to wear one outfit in town, another for prostitution, another at home, and often another one when visiting a jarl.  Some of those outfits also change depending on score.  This would be a complex system to build in the mod.

 

Development time is better spent having the mod do things that you can't do yourself, like following the owner for the Whiterun walk, having dialog with NPCs (Confessions, I Am Famous, etc.), being put on display at the slave market, and so on.  It's also useful for the mod to count for you (tracking prostitution earnings, especially if it takes several game sessions to finish) or time you for Run, Lola, Run.  So, I tend to focus on this kind of functionality, and leave complex restrictions to the player.  I welcome suggestions, but understand that complex restrictions will probably lose out to other features.

 

I mentioned it as I saw other people add-ons for SLTR, so maybe someone might be interested to make an add-on with more restrictions.

 

 

[madagg]

 

Is there a way to spawn a follower? I'm in a new game and I'm too lazy to get them through conventional missions.

[Hex Bolt]

46 minutes ago, madagg said:

Is there a way to spawn a follower? I'm in a new game and I'm too lazy to get them through conventional missions.

Install any of the zillions of follower mods, go to that follower's location, and say "Follow me".

[Naps-On-Dirt]

1 hour ago, madagg said:

 

Is there a way to spawn a follower? I'm in a new game and I'm too lazy to get them through conventional missions.

OR you could console yourself 500 gold and hire one.  (player.additem f 500)

[Hex Bolt]

47 minutes ago, Naps-On-Dirt said:

you could console yourself 500 gold and hire one.

Any hireling can also be acquired as a follower for free if the PC agrees to become the hireling's slave.  That might be the laziest way to do it.

[madagg]

it said  sexlabutil.dll file is outdated or missing. I try both versions of it. The AE and SE and nothing i dont know how to manually install it. (Im using Vortex and skyrim se last version) help

Edited April 5, 2023 by madagg

[Hex Bolt]

29 minutes ago, madagg said:

it said sexlabutil.dll file is outdated or missing.

That file does not come from this mod.  If you're having installation problems, the Skyrim Technical Support forum can help.