Wartimes - a daughter's tale LE (Alternate start scenario)

[Monoman1]

2 hours ago, AoE_Freak said:

In one of the patch notes, it says "If Devious devices is installed..." I thought devious devices was a requirement for this mod, since Sanguine Debauchery requires it and that is listed as a hard requirement for Wartimes. Am I wrong? I don't care much for devious devices, so if I can play this without that installed, I'd prefer that. I tried just deactivating DD and running it like that, but that just made the game crash on startup.

DD's not a hard requirement so I doubt the crash is this mod. 

Zaz is the only non-vanilla requirement at this point.

2 hours ago, AoE_Freak said:

One other question: do you need to have Bathing in Skyrim installed in order to get the cum quest? I still haven't gotten it despite swallowing father's cum multiple times, and I wasn't sure whether it was due to not having BiS or just some side effect of me updating the mod without making a new game.

Only requirement is that you swallowed his cum. Apology sex doesn't count currently. Fixed next version. 

 

5 hours ago, lcewolf said:

Maybe eventually we will be able to pick in the mcm menu the ''license'' gived by father?

I won't be going crazy adding options. You'll have to make do with setting favour required to 100.

5 hours ago, lcewolf said:

I have to report a probably a missing part. When the PC is on Diet, For 50 gold my father give at my pc food/drink. Do you plan to change the food by Cum eventually?

It does currently. But you need to be forbidden from bathing. Fixed next version

5 hours ago, lcewolf said:

There also when our father ask us to serve the dog, it's dosen't take count if our mother is back or not.

You mean the dialogue mentioning her? It's a minor issue tbh. But it still makes sense that your mother would be in charge. She doesn't have to be present in the room. 

[kapibar]

@Monoman1 I don't know if it's a problem of my setup or a bug, but after becoming slave wife the milking machine disappears, but the father still demands a quota of milk. Don't know if this is intended or not.

 

Btw.: Are you planning on expanding marriage slavery? Some kind of ceremony maybe, additional tasks...?

[Silvain]

On 5/17/2021 at 4:58 PM, Ruffled Pigeon said:

I have made a hacky fix for the Special Edition Nylons problem.

I have hardcoded the Index lookup, not ideal but it works and it's better than nothing for now.

 

This is for Skyrim Special Edition only!

Simply overwrite Monomans YPS Tweak with this

Monoman YPS Tweak v1.6 SE-Patch.zip 112.06 kB · 5 downloads

 

I've probably made a mistake or two in there, so if you get the wrong or no Overlay tell me the item ?

 

Played around with it for a bit and it works flawlessly so far. Thank you for doing this.

[lcewolf]

On 5/12/2021 at 6:00 AM, Monoman1 said:

 

v3.1

- Fix for naked reputation scan not stopping when failing supply run.

- Supply run will lock your end table. 

 

 

 

 

Are we suppose to made the supply run naked?

 

Never see that it could be indeed interresting.

 

The only thing i found out of the context it's our home outside door's is locked when do the quest. I just teleport father for complete it then he unlock the door.

[AoE_Freak]

On 5/18/2021 at 2:40 AM, Monoman1 said:

DD's not a hard requirement so I doubt the crash is this mod. 

Zaz is the only non-vanilla requirement at this point.

 

On 5/18/2021 at 2:40 AM, Monoman1 said:

Only requirement is that you swallowed his cum. Apology sex doesn't count currently. Fixed next version. 

Thanks for the helpful answers! I love all the work you've done making this mod better.

[Monoman1]

3 hours ago, lcewolf said:

Are we suppose to made the supply run naked

Shouldn't have much choice as all your clothes should be gone. Your only choice should be to wear a hood or not wear a hood. I recommend wearing a hood. 

3 hours ago, lcewolf said:

The only thing i found out of the context it's our home outside door's is locked when do the quest. I just teleport father for complete it then he unlock the door

You're supposed to use the door on return. 

[Monoman1]

19 hours ago, tamai said:

 

can confirm it disappeared at one point for me too.

 

On 5/19/2021 at 7:47 AM, kapibar said:

@Monoman1 I don't know if it's a problem of my setup or a bug, but after becoming slave wife the milking machine disappears, but the father still demands a quota of milk. Don't know if this is intended or not.

 

Btw.: Are you planning on expanding marriage slavery? Some kind of ceremony maybe, additional tasks...?

You'll have to get the id of the machine and enable it again. Not sure if you should continue to have access to free lactacid forever though. 

 

As for expanding... the great thing about this mod is the possibility of the scope it could have. There's a million ways things could be expanded. As for it actually happening, it depends on time and interest. Pchs is also interested in adding a new scenario so I can't hold him up forever. 

[kapibar]

1 minute ago, Monoman1 said:

As for expanding... the great thing about this mod is the possibility of the scope it could have. There's a million ways things could be expanded. As for it actually happening, it depends on time and interest. Pchs is also interested in adding a new scenario so I can't hold him up forever. 

This mod is actually one of the most intresting projects in recent years and the way pchs expanded on its original concept is amazing. However you managed to not only expand the expansion, but go even further in its development. At this moment this is the most underappreciated project on LL and I believe it doesn't get the love it deserves. It would be great if the "marriage slavery" was developed, because at this moment the story hits a dead end after the birth. Playing role play style the PC is completely and utterly at her father's mercy, has no way to go and knows nothing except sex and abuse. I don't see any possible scenario in which a person that was corrupted into beeing a voluntary sex slave could just leave her abuser and child behind and go do some adventuring quests. I actually managed to break the loop via Deviously Enslaved which forced my character into leaving home (Simple Slavery).

Anyway, these are just my thoughts on the subject. As much as I love what you and pchs have done, I believe there's a lot of room for development and I can't wait to see where will you go with this mod.

[lcewolf]

12 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Shouldn't have much choice as all your clothes should be gone. Your only choice should be to wear a hood or not wear a hood. I recommend wearing a hood. 

You're supposed to use the door on return. 

I am going to try with a new fresh game because i didn't get strip or anything. Do you have a patreon or something Similar @Monoman1?

 

 

[thranoshue]

Any chance of this have an update? I really want end the story 

[lcewolf]

4 hours ago, lcewolf said:

I am going to try with a new fresh game because i didn't get strip or anything. Do you have a patreon or something Similar @Monoman1?

 

 

lol interresting thank you with a fresh start it's working

[Highborn]

1 hour ago, thranoshue said:

Any chance of this have an update? I really want end the story 

I mean, the objective of the mod is to roleplay as a slave until you decide to run away and start your adventures. I don't think the story is supposed to have an ending after you become a slave. The only stuff to add is more tasks to do I guess.

[lcewolf]

6 hours ago, thranoshue said:

Any chance of this have an update? I really want end the story 

5 hours ago, Highborn said:

I mean, the objective of the mod is to roleplay as a slave until you decide to run away and start your adventures. I don't think the story is supposed to have an ending after you become a slave. The only stuff to add is more tasks to do I guess.

It's mostly an unending blackmail.

 

Our father must always have leverage to keep the PC under control. It is blackmail. The PC love her mother and he use that again her.

He enjoy showing he's in control of the situation.

 

There is something missing to make that thing credible. What would make the PC do such unnatural things?

Why not do the basic things and harvest the amount more slowly?

Because actually its possible.

 

This pressure effect is missing from the main quest. YPS-immersive remove some of our gold but not enough.

What would make our PC freak out to say I absolutely must have more money faster!

Probably just raising the amount required per day could have caused this effect.

If it takes 2 days, collect the amount for one mother's day care should be suffisant.

 

The amount to be collected on the other hand to bring mother back actually is too easy to have $ 2000 is really too low.

After less than 2 weeks I can bring mother back. Why father will accept to return at her former life.

Why and how could our father let our PC go and come back to his former life?

He will never be able to be satisfied with what he had before. Each of his sentences reminds

us when he compare the PC with her mother. He don't want her back at all. He poison her own wife

to get rid of her. He desire something else.

 

I would find it more logical if the amount of $ 2000 would make our mother come

home and have her arms and legs amputated. The PC will be forced to collect another larger amount for restoring her mother.

 

Subsequently another complication which would force the PC to have to accept the father's request to become a mother.

Our father, he wants to have his own children. Why put so mush effort to break the mind of her daughter to let her go?

He is happy the way the PC serve him. He want her to be her Slave-wife.

 

The way our father sees it, he likes to have a control effect on the PC. He has pushed the limits of the

PC ever further towards the perversion he desires.  He has used this tactic before to make her docile

and make her do unimaginable out of love for her mother. What wouldn't she do out of love for her own child?

 

The psychological effect of mod on such taboo subjects made it one of a kind.

 

PCHS had not fully finished the main plot but I am sure he would ad liked what Monoman1 did with is mod.

[Monoman1]

3 hours ago, lcewolf said:

t's mostly an unending blackmail

And PC corruption. 

3 hours ago, lcewolf said:

amount to be collected on the other hand to bring mother back actually is too easy to have $ 2000 is really too low.

I'm finding it fairly difficult personally. I think I've like 900 gold built up after several weeks of game time. And thats after bringing mother back to the home to decrease her upkeep by 50%

 

But I think you're right. After a certain point Father would never let the pc go. (And the PC probably wouldn't want to go - mind broken)

[Desvati]

3 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

But I think you're right. After a certain point Father would never let the pc go. (And the PC probably wouldn't want to go - mind broken)

The idea that came to mind for me for this point would be that once you become his Slave Wife, he'd essentially become a follower/enforcer at this point. The player is supposed to eventually leave the nest somehow so you can explore the rest of the game, but that's hard to do in this setting without either ignoring father (and the roleplay surrounding obeying him) or incurring a bad end. But with you being "bound" to him through ceremony, he could start wanting to explore more than the ailing farm as a really aggressive follower (allowing him to hook into Devious Followers, SLS enforcer stuff and his own Wartimes traits) all while you get to explore Skyrim — you'd still have to obey him of course, carry his loot, sate his needs, do his bidding, but at the same time you've got easy access to licenses through him and a strong potential follower.

[Monoman1]

19 hours ago, Desvati said:

The idea that came to mind for me for this point would be that once you become his Slave Wife, he'd essentially become a follower/enforcer at this point. The player is supposed to eventually leave the nest somehow so you can explore the rest of the game, but that's hard to do in this setting without either ignoring father (and the roleplay surrounding obeying him) or incurring a bad end. But with you being "bound" to him through ceremony, he could start wanting to explore more than the ailing farm as a really aggressive follower (allowing him to hook into Devious Followers, SLS enforcer stuff and his own Wartimes traits) all while you get to explore Skyrim — you'd still have to obey him of course, carry his loot, sate his needs, do his bidding, but at the same time you've got easy access to licenses through him and a strong potential follower.

Its a decent idea but would require a lot of adjusting of the rules. Things like regular sex with father, fashion upkeep would be mostly fine i think. But things like sex with aldo or milking might be problematic. 

 

Wrt Aldo, Perhaps as an alternative/upgrade/wedding gift Father could gift you your very own horse which of course you'd have to service regularly. And keeping it requires upkeep of fathers favour of course

[lcewolf]

12 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Its a decent idea but would require a lot of adjusting of the rules. Things like regular sex with father, fashion upkeep would be mostly fine i think. But things like sex with aldo or milking might be problematic. 

 

Wrt Aldo, Perhaps as an alternative/upgrade/wedding gift Father could gift you your very own horse which of course you'd have to service regularly. And keeping it requires upkeep of fathers favour of course

Aldo and father could both become follower if you intent to go that way.

 

For myself if father ever become a follower, i will probably use Devious follower or Submissive lola with wartimes. It's made a good closure.

 

I am curious what he will do with is child if he become follower? Mother will take care of him?

[TacticalBacon]

First, thanks for the great mod.

 

I got stuck in the dog walk quest, I interact with the cage door, but nothing hapens.

I've installed the latest sd cages and zaz 8, but can't continue the quest

[lcewolf]

5 hours ago, TacticalBacon said:

First, thanks for the great mod.

 

I got stuck in the dog walk quest, I interact with the cage door, but nothing hapens.

I've installed the latest sd cages and zaz 8, but can't continue the quest

If you cannot use the door or load another savegame , sleep few day. When you speak with him again something between 2-3 day it will set the quest completed.Did that trick few time and it did work.

 

[lcewolf]

About the Party quest, @pchs mention there is a "less devious version" of the quest. One you didn't need to be naked. Did someone manage to see it?

 

I don't know how many hour i play with this mod but i never see it.

 

 

[Monoman1]

4 hours ago, lcewolf said:

About the Party quest, @pchs mention there is a "less devious version" of the quest. One you didn't need to be naked. Did someone manage to see it?

 

I don't know how many hour i play with this mod but i never see it.

 

 

I'm nearly sure I've seen it. Maid outfit. No collar or heels. Just serving drinks/food. 

Thing is you progress very quickly in wartime. By the time you get the job you may already be past the threshold

[Desvati]

On 5/22/2021 at 7:42 AM, Monoman1 said:

Its a decent idea but would require a lot of adjusting of the rules. Things like regular sex with father, fashion upkeep would be mostly fine i think. But things like sex with aldo or milking might be problematic. 

 

Wrt Aldo, Perhaps as an alternative/upgrade/wedding gift Father could gift you your very own horse which of course you'd have to service regularly. And keeping it requires upkeep of fathers favour of course

Replacing Aldo with a horse, or simply bringing the dog along as another follower both sound like workable options, even simply ending that part of the relationship if necessary (could potentially be replaced with father ordering you to submit to random creatures as another alternative!)

I do like the idea of him giving you a wedding gift of more work though, sounds perfectly in line with him!

 

6 hours ago, lcewolf said:

About the Party quest, @pchs mention there is a "less devious version" of the quest. One you didn't need to be naked. Did someone manage to see it?

 

I don't know how many hour i play with this mod but i never see it.

 

 

I saw it on the run I'm doing now, it only happens if the party happens before you're serving father naked.

[kapibar]

On 5/22/2021 at 8:42 AM, Monoman1 said:

Its a decent idea but would require a lot of adjusting of the rules. Things like regular sex with father, fashion upkeep would be mostly fine i think. But things like sex with aldo or milking might be problematic. 

 

Wrt Aldo, Perhaps as an alternative/upgrade/wedding gift Father could gift you your very own horse which of course you'd have to service regularly. And keeping it requires upkeep of fathers favour of course

I don't think Father becoming a follower is a good idea. The follower mechanism would make him somewhat subservient to the PC. I believe the best course of action would be to remove option to capitalize on father's favours. This would functionally force the PC to move her ass and earn money - either as a whore or an adventurer. On the other hand the negative favours could open the way to being kicked out of the house if the PC neglects her slave wife duties. After the birth of the child Father has at least two leverages - the first is the kid, and the second - PC's corruption, which at this point would make the character little more than an abuse addict.

[Kharadin]

2 hours ago, tamai said:

Maybe you earn enough favors you can buy days of freedom. But coming back you have to get him something or money etc. Or you could have a forced follower while you're out who is hired by your father using devious followers.

This idea seems good to me. Also maybe you can get kicked out of the house by Father some days after bearing a child - with Father's spoken motivation being that he now has two mouths to feed and real one being tiredness of PC. So now if PC wants to visit her child/Father/see home, she would need to accumulate a certain sum of gold and maybe she will be getting some kind of event when returning - she has to service a party, for example, springs to mind, especially since it's already in the mod.

[kapibar]

6 hours ago, Kharadin said:

This idea seems good to me. Also maybe you can get kicked out of the house by Father some days after bearing a child - with Father's spoken motivation being that he now has two mouths to feed and real one being tiredness of PC. So now if PC wants to visit her child/Father/see home, she would need to accumulate a certain sum of gold and maybe she will be getting some kind of event when returning - she has to service a party, for example, springs to mind, especially since it's already in the mod.

I think kicking the PC out of the house wouldn't be something father would do. He put a lot of work to twist his daughter into a depraved slave and a large part of his power is the control he has and exposure. Father becomes PC's entire world, if she experiences the world and all those larger than life adventures, the father quickly becomes nothing more than a nuisance. A good manipulator would know how to keep his power from dwindling, so I don't believe father would willingly expose his slave daughter, the fruit of his labor to the world.

Accidentaly I did something that gave me an idea, one that is - I think - worth mentioning. I was kidnapped via Deviously Enslaved and sold into Cidhna Vampire scenario. Long story short, I got drain powers and forgot about them. I escaped, returned home, and everything was like it used to be, except the fact I was slowly but surely reducing father's health until he dropped dead when I left the house. It got me thinking - father's spontaneous death might be the best option here. For one, the PC is left directionless and still pretty much addicted to abuse, which she has to find somewhere. Also, there is one character in the mod that is there, but barely serves any purpose - the uncle. So here's an idea - after father's death the uncle shows up and takes away the child, so his good for nothing slut mother wouldn't change her kid into a bimbo. This would force the PC to go look for her child, simultaneously she would still be depressed by her father's passing and - well - completely unable to face the world as a normal human being would.

@Monoman1one thing I noticed - when the father is dead in the slave wife scenario, the mother comes back with no dialogue options, after she was supposedly kicked out like a human garbage and left for death from her "illness". I killed her off via console command, but I believe this is something you would want to address.