Wartimes - a daughter's tale LE (Alternate start scenario)

[Monoman1]

Just now, Monoman1 said:

Agreed on the NoStrip for stockings. 

Actually no. I've reconsidered that. 

If you add the nostrip keyword then SLS won't confiscate them. Might be better to make slot 54 not strip in sexlab instead....

[Vuzzar]

20 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Actually no. I've reconsidered that. 

If you add the nostrip keyword then SLS won't confiscate them. Might be better to make slot 54 not strip in sexlab instead....

 

But why would you want to confiscate them with SLS? ? Anyway, I added the keyword to them myself, but if you don't plan on adding it in future versions, I guess I'll just setup sexlab to not strip slot 54.

[Monoman1]

6 minutes ago, Antaufein said:

 

But why would you want to confiscate them with SLS? ? Anyway, I added the keyword to them myself, but if you don't plan on adding it in future versions, I guess I'll just setup sexlab to not strip slot 54.

Why not I suppose. They are clothes after all. Every other piece of clothes can be confiscated, so why not stockings.

+ if we ever do get bra/panty overlays they'll definitely need to be confiscated

 

I've no problem if you want to play another way. This is just my thoughts. 

[CommitNoBreath]

While I the improvements and changes I strongly feel like it's way too easy to completely loose your father's favor without you being able to do anything about it. The penalties for not complying with his fashion demands are too high and stack so quickly. Directly after he asked me to put on lipstick and gave me money to buy it he became disappointed that I am not wearing it and I lost 4 X 6 favor. Same with his other requests and cum request. This, while I think it can be easily fixed, currently completely breaks this mod.

[Monoman1]

4 minutes ago, CommitNoBreath said:

While I the improvements and changes I strongly feel like it's way too easy to completely loose your father's favor without you being able to do anything about it. The penalties for not complying with his fashion demands are too high and stack so quickly. Directly after he asked me to put on lipstick and gave me money to buy it he became disappointed that I am not wearing it and I lost 4 X 6 favor. Same with his other requests and cum request. This, while I think it can be easily fixed, currently completely breaks this mod.

Did you apologize?

 

All the balance is up in the air atm. I might squash all the fashion failures into one single failure. We'll see. 

It IS intended however to put a lot of weight to the apology system. Which in turn pushes you into further depravity. Currently, the only increasing depravity is increased depravity of sex acts with the father. Next update includes Aldo. 

[Ruffled Pigeon]

1 hour ago, Monoman1 said:

Great feedback

 

Buuut the thing is. I literally just put a fork in v2.9. It has a lot of tweaks, improvements and fixes. So much so that it's just one line of the changelog - I didn't really keep track of everything. After updating if you can keep an eye out for the same bugs and post again if they still happening (Just copy and paste). I would have already posted 2.9 but I need to bring SLS beta up with that missing keyword. Spinning plates job.... 

 

I'll keep an eye out for these things myself. I'm pushing to get back to playing the game. Agreed on the NoStrip for stockings. 

 

@Anyone interested. 

I'm still interested in seeing if we can do the same for bra's/panties as is done for stockings in YPS tweak 1.5 - Underwear applied as race menu overlays. If anyone is interested in trying to make textures for this, get in touch. 

 

Because the textures are basically painted onto the skin - I reckon panties would be the easier. Bras often have straps or whatnot that are sometimes not flat against the skin. 

About the textures, overlays don't seem to work well with seperate vagina meshes found on pretty much all modern bodies.

They are all but ignored even if they share the same texture as the main body, meaning the crotch will be covered while the labia will not be.

I'm not 100% certain that this is true for just plain RM Overlays too, but it is for Slavetats which relies on NIOverride aswell, so it probably is.

[CommitNoBreath]

33 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Did you apologize?

 

All the balance is up in the air atm. I might squash all the fashion failures into one single failure. We'll see. 

It IS intended however to put a lot of weight to the apology system. Which in turn pushes you into further depravity. Currently, the only increasing depravity is increased depravity of sex acts with the father. Next update includes Aldo. 

Damn, can't wait to play with Aldo!

Hmm, I think I was stuck in a dialogue when he got dissapointed 4 times. But if I apologize directly there is a timout when it comes to him being disappointed?

Thanks for your great work?

[Vuzzar]

8 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Why not I suppose. They are clothes after all. Every other piece of clothes can be confiscated, so why not stockings.

+ if we ever do get bra/panty overlays they'll definitely need to be confiscated

 

I've no problem if you want to play another way. This is just my thoughts. 

 

Aaaah yes the clothes license... ? I play with it disabled, so that's why it didn't come to mind quickly. ? I don't play with Slaverun, so I disable it because I think there must be a more immersive way of requiring a clothes license than just existing and happening to be female (I disable most of the mysoginistic stuff too for that reason). It's bloody Skyrim too, so it's cold outside. Walking around naked in subzero temperatures wouldn't be very smart.

 

34 minutes ago, CommitNoBreath said:

Directly after he asked me to put on lipstick and gave me money to buy it he became disappointed that I am not wearing it and I lost 4 X 6 favor. Same with his other requests and cum request.

 

I agree with this, there should be some kind of time limit before father is disappointed with the player for not meeting the fashion requirements. As it is right now, as soon as you get the forcegreet, you have to run to the store and get whatever you have to get and do whatever you have to do, otherwise next time you talk to father you lose favor. That means that if the players is asked to improve her look while the store is close, there isn't anything you can do about it and you are guaranteed to lose favor. I think even father is smart enough to know that the player can't comply to his request yet because she can't go get what she need. And even if the store is open, maybe the player has to serve father before going to the store.

[Monoman1]

26 minutes ago, Ruffled Pigeon said:

About the textures,

Dang. I did not think about that. I guess I'm one of the few that's still not using one of those new bodies. I'm just not that bothered about a CPU eating physics aspect that you'll see only if you pause and 'zoom in and enhance'. Can the genitals be dismembered similar to SOS do you know?

22 minutes ago, CommitNoBreath said:

But if I apologize directly there is a timout when it comes to him being disappointed?

The mod saves a history of favour lost between apology begin and apology fail/success. So even though you had 4 separate disappointments. They should all be saved and you should regain around 80% on successful apology. 

 

And yes. You have 60 seconds to apologise. Otherwise it's automatic fail. 

21 minutes ago, Antaufein said:

That means that if the players is asked to improve her look while the store is close, there isn't anything you can do about it and you are guaranteed to lose favor.

Technically, the initial force greets should happen during store opening hours. So there's no excuse there

After that I think it'd be prudent to have a decent supply of makeup should the situation demand it.

[Vuzzar]

2 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

Technically, the initial force greets should happen during store opening hours. So there's no excuse there

I didn't know that. Only the first one of the three though?

 

3 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

After that I think it'd be prudent to have a decent supply of makeup should the situation demand it.

Well how are you supposed to know you have to spend money to buy more stuff that isn't required for the time being? The player comes from a poor farming family that did not have enough money for luxury like makeup.

[Monoman1]

1 minute ago, Antaufein said:

I didn't know that. Only the first one of the three though?

All of them I think. GameHour must be between something like 8:00 to 18:00 for the FG to start. 

2 minutes ago, Antaufein said:

I didn't know that. Only the first one of the three though?

 

Well how are you supposed to know you have to spend money to buy more stuff that isn't required for the time being? The player comes from a poor farming family that did not have enough money for luxury like makeup.

Preparation is key

 

But yea. It's a fair point. 

I have at least added exceptions for when you're stuck in DDs and can't actually apply makeup at all. 

[Vuzzar]

13 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

But yea. It's a fair point. 

I have at least added exceptions for when you're stuck in DDs and can't actually apply makeup at all. 

So I guess it wouldn't be too hard to add a time limit before father is disappointed either ?

[matt66]

9 hours ago, matt66 said:

 

Well I guess I'll find out in the next few hours lol, Thanks for the reply

 

Update : well did that but still did not work for me, but maybe I did something wrong

 

2nd update : Yes I did something wrong, works now but father is still disapointed.

[Vuzzar]

39 minutes ago, matt66 said:

2nd update : Yes I did something wrong, works now but father is still disapointed.

 

happens to me too, it's a bug. Open console and type "GetGlobalValue pchsRequiredCumQuota" look at what value is returned (probably 2) then type "set pchsMetCumQuota to x" (x being the value of pchsRequiredCumQuota). Do that BEFORE talking to father.

[Ruffled Pigeon]

2 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Dang. I did not think about that. I guess I'm one of the few that's still not using one of those new bodies. I'm just not that bothered about a CPU eating physics aspect that you'll see only if you pause and 'zoom in and enhance'. Can the genitals be dismembered similar to SOS do you know?

Monogramps1 ?

SOS Schlongs work differently from vaginas I'm afraid. Schlongs are Armors while the actual body mesh has a hole in the crotch. CBBE actually has the vagina inside the body nif, it is however a separate NiTriShape / BSTriShape. I've looked at the source code on expireds Github really quick, and while my understanding of C++ is limited, the Overlay methods seem to work on predefined areas which hold information such as the NiTriShape name. Quickly swapping the names of the labia and the body in NifSkope confirms that, no overlays on the body but on the labia. Nothing can be done here I'm afraid, other than forking NiOverride lol

[tholos]

9 hours ago, Tenri said:

That all seems to be working the SD functions for whipping and adding devices aren't working but the Wartimes functions themselves seem to be, you reached the forced slavery ending for the mod.

On the flowchart that would be one of the red endings off of Get stage = 190.

At this point in the mod is should work like normal SD+ enslavement to Father.

There are the few dialogue options added by wartimes but other than attempting to trigger SD+ events they don't do anything.

 

If you want to get the bulk of the mod you have to be a good girl during the opening quests.

Damn it I misread that flow so badly and always thought I was on a different branch... Lost so much time for nothing due to my misunderstanding of pchsFatherRep on my own. Thank you for your answer.. that makes much more sense  

[Monoman1]

8 hours ago, Antaufein said:

happens to me too, it's a bug. Open console and type "GetGlobalValue pchsRequiredCumQuota" look at what value is returned (probably 2) then type "set pchsMetCumQuota to x" (x being the value of pchsRequiredCumQuota). Do that BEFORE talking to father.

 

9 hours ago, matt66 said:

2nd update : Yes I did something wrong, works now but father is still disapointed.

Can't seem to reproduce this issue but it might be something I've fixed already.

[kapibar]

@Monoman1 you're the MVP, man!

[kapibar]

@Monoman1 I have a suggestion. When the daughter becomes pregnant father should belt and plug her anyway in case the little breeder tries something stupid, like aborting his beloved child. Safety first, right?

[Silvain]

I played around with this for a few hours, exploring the different endings and most of it worked fine or is fixed with the new 2.9 update. Great work as always!

 

Only the stockings don't work for me. They show up as items and as far as I can tell they also work as far as functionality is concerned. I can buy them, I can equip them and the father reacts to them.

But they are invisible. On equipping nothing shows up. I tried to find the stocking overlay in racemenu but it wasn't registered. I use SE so I use a the SE Conversion of YPS and all recommenended addons. All of it works fine. So maybe I fucked up the conversion (just ran CAO over it) or there is something else going on.

 

 

Concerning gameplay this struck me as a bit strange:

- The father disallowed me to bath.

- Directly after that he gave me the order to fill a cumtainer.

- To fill a cumtainer I need to be clean enough.

- So I need to bath and get punished for it. Or don't bath and get punished for not delivering the filled container.

 

It's a loss - loss situation which struck me as a little bit strange. Not out of place, it is fitting, but I don't know if it was intended.

 

Edit: Another bug (?) report. At the start the "Residents are exempt from gate tolls" feature worked fine. It did stop working halfway through. Currently running errands for the father but I still need to pay the tolls.

[Monoman1]

29 minutes ago, Silvain said:

Edit: Another bug (?) report. At the start the "Residents are exempt from gate tolls" feature worked fine. It did stop working halfway through. Currently running errands for the father but I still need to pay the tolls.

This can happen if your favour drops below zero. I guess it's a little taste of failure.

29 minutes ago, Silvain said:

It's a loss - loss situation

You must have missed this from 0.662 changelog:
- Added third option to cum swallow events - Collect cum. Must have an empty cumtainer and cum fullness must be >= 80% full.

29 minutes ago, Silvain said:

Only the stockings don't work for me.

Hmm. Don't know about this one. Are there normally problems with overlays in SE? I don't know. Didn't think there was....

Maybe do a search in your logs for 'YPS:'

Might provide some clues. 

 

1 hour ago, kapibar said:

@Monoman1 I have a suggestion. When the daughter becomes pregnant father should belt and plug her anyway in case the little breeder tries something stupid, like aborting his beloved child. Safety first, right?

Hmm. I don't really know how pregnancy mods respond to DDs. I've never used them all that much. But wartimes seems to expect father to be close-by, after or during birthing. If you're somewhere else then how do you get the belt off....?

[Silvain]

29 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

This can happen if your favour drops below zero. I guess it's a little taste of failure.

 

You must have missed this from 0.662 changelog:
- Added third option to cum swallow events - Collect cum. Must have an empty cumtainer and cum fullness must be >= 80% full.

Hmm. Don't know about this one. Are there normally problems with overlays in SE? I don't know. Didn't think there was....

Maybe do a search in your logs for 'YPS:'

Might provide some clues.

 

Alright thanks! I did miss it indeed, but I also need to test it again. I'm pretty sure I did have the 80% requirement, performed oral sex and didn't get an option. Maybe because the instant cum swallow feature from SLS prevented the option to pop up because the character was too hungry? If that is the case everything is working as it should, I guess.

 

The only thing the log says about yps is this:

 

Spoiler

[05/12/2021 - 08:11:40PM] Error: Attempting to set the volume of an invalid sound instance
stack:
    <unknown self>.Sound.SetInstanceVolume() - "<native>" Line ?
    [YPS01 (B30073BC)].ypspiercingticker.PlayYpsSound() - "ypsPiercingTicker.psc" Line ?
    [YPS01 (B30073BC)].ypspiercingticker.ApplyNylons() - "ypsPiercingTicker.psc" Line ?
    [alias playerAlias on quest ypsNylonsQuest (B309F4E1)].ypsNylonsAlias.ProcQueue() - "ypsNylonsAlias.psc" Line ?
    [alias playerAlias on quest ypsNylonsQuest (B309F4E1)].ypsNylonsAlias.OnObjectEquipped() - "ypsNylonsAlias.psc" Line ?
[05/12/2021 - 08:11:44PM] Error: Attempting to stop an invalid sound instance
stack:
    <unknown self>.Sound.StopInstance() - "<native>" Line ?
    [YPS01 (B30073BC)].ypspiercingticker.PlayYpsSound() - "ypsPiercingTicker.psc" Line ?
    [YPS01 (B30073BC)].ypspiercingticker.ApplyNylons() - "ypsPiercingTicker.psc" Line ?
    [alias playerAlias on quest ypsNylonsQuest (B309F4E1)].ypsNylonsAlias.ProcQueue() - "ypsNylonsAlias.psc" Line ?
    [alias playerAlias on quest ypsNylonsQuest (B309F4E1)].ypsNylonsAlias.OnObjectEquipped() - "ypsNylonsAlias.psc" Line ?

 

I don't think that is related to the textures/meshes just not appearing.

 

Another little thing concerning nylons/stockings:

Wearing the fathers heels and engaging in sex causes the nylons to unqeuip, but the heels stay on (with default sexlab settings). So after the scene the game tries to equip the nylons again but since the heels are equiped already a message pops up saying that you need to strip your heels first before you can equip the nylons again.

[Monoman1]

37 minutes ago, Silvain said:

Wearing the fathers heels and engaging in sex causes the nylons to unqeuip, but the heels stay on (with default sexlab settings). So after the scene the game tries to equip the nylons again but since the heels are equiped already a message pops up saying that you need to strip your heels first before you can equip the nylons again

Yep. This came up somewhere already. 

Catch 22. If you want stockings to be confiscated as clothes by SLS then you can't add the NoStrip keyword. If you've no problem with that then keyword away. 

Personally I think I'll just flag slot 54 to not be stripped during sex in sexlab. 

37 minutes ago, Silvain said:

I don't think that is related to the textures/meshes just not appearing.

Appears to be some issue with the PlayYpsSound() function. Don't think that's one I've changed. Guess it depends If the function call is aborted at playing the sound (I love yps and all but Emily seems mad about sounds/delays/realism, overly so IMO - all these delays for sounds and realism make yps really sluggish). 

 

There are 2 calls to PlayYpsSound() within ApplyNylons(). Both occur before the actual application of the overlays. If I do any more work on Yps then that function has to go. It should have been threaded off to stop it holding up the whole show with delays. Try this script I've commented out the two sound calls. 

 

YpsPiercingTicker.pex

 

Edit: I did change the parameter for the duration of sound to 0. So that's probably why it's spitting those errors. 

[Silvain]

I tried the script and it works a lot faster. The messages on the top left updating the status and the fx come out almost instantly now, way better than before.

The stockings are still invisible though.

 

I'm gonna try to find a tweaked version of your YPS on which you still use Slavetats. If that also doesn't work I must have fucked up something while converting.

[Monoman1]

18 minutes ago, Silvain said:

I tried the script and it works a lot faster. The messages on the top left updating the status and the fx come out almost instantly now, way better than before.

The stockings are still invisible though.

 

I'm gonna try to find a tweaked version of your YPS on which you still use Slavetats. If that also doesn't work I must have fucked up something while converting.

Check the logs too.