Wartimes - a daughter's tale LE (Alternate start scenario)

[Clea Strange]

Is their a way to change how the father looks? would think he would be a better looking guy than he is now.

[Monoman1]

10 minutes ago, Hiderius said:

Is their a way to change how the father looks? would think he would be a better looking guy than he is now.

All the guys in wartimes are fairly ugly. I'm fairly sure it's intentional. 

I guess you'd have to edit them in the CK. 

 

7 hours ago, kapibar said:

one thing I noticed - when the father is dead in the slave wife scenario, the mother comes back with no dialogue options, after she was supposedly kicked out like a human garbage and left for death from her "illness". I killed her off via console command, but I believe this is something you would want to address.

Yea the endings need some figuring out. Haven't touched them so far. 

 

 

15 hours ago, tamai said:

Maybe you earn enough favors you can buy days of freedom. But coming back you have to get him something or money etc. Or you could have a forced follower while you're out who is hired by your father using devious followers.

 

13 hours ago, Kharadin said:

This idea seems good to me. Also maybe you can get kicked out of the house by Father some days after bearing a child - with Father's spoken motivation being that he now has two mouths to feed and real one being tiredness of PC. So now if PC wants to visit her child/Father/see home, she would need to accumulate a certain sum of gold and maybe she will be getting some kind of event when returning - she has to service a party, for example, springs to mind, especially since it's already in the mod.

kapibar makes some good points about why father wouldn't want to encourage your freedom of thought or freedom in general. Perhaps after a while he just thinks you're broken enough to be left off for more time or becomes more bored of you. I guess it depends on what way you want to look at it. 

 

Father getting spontaneously/randomly killed in a card game gone bad in town thus trusting you into the world unprepared is also a good idea. I don't think you should be allowed to keep the home in this case. Father probably left the house to your uncle or something. 

[kapibar]

14 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

 father wouldn't want to encourage your freedom of thought or freedom in general. Perhaps after a while he just thinks you're broken enough to be left off for more time or becomes more bored of you. I guess it depends on what way you want to look at it.

Come to think of it, if the father really was bored with the slave daughter, he would've offed her, just like her mother. After all, he spends a lot of time and resources into trapping the daughter in his game, producing an offspring is just a nice byproduct of having a sex slave. If having a kid was all that he wants, there are plenty of ways he could achieve just that (like kill the mother and trap the daughter in the basement). The son of a bitch is highly meticulous, he doesn't drop the ball even for a second. All of his doings serve a purpose, so making a mistake like underestimaning mental state of the PC would be quite uncharacteristic for him, and if he was bored - he would either sell the daughter with a large profit, or just killed her, so that his crimes don't come back to bite him in the ass in the future. He ties up the loose ends with mother when the child is born, so it would be reasonable to assume he'd pull the same stunt with his daughter.
 

Now, selling the daughter as a slave would make sense (after all, he did it with the mother) superficially, but when you think of it, it becomes less reasonable than it would seem.

We know that the price of the female slave via Simple Slavery varies greatly, the highest number I can recall is around 10k septim. All right, now let's look at the value of father's favour, which should give us an estimate on the labor's worth. It's around 10 septim for a favor, the player can earn around 80 septim just for a day of doing simple house chores (not including fashion rewards and other types of favours). So, just by performing simple labor you can earn the money to buy yourself a female slave in less than half a year. The father put a lot of work into molding the daughter into a slave - first the planning, then gathering the resources to poison the mother, then establishing control and training. It's easily something that would require a year of brain and leg work. Father would have to get at least 20k septim for his daughter on the free market, which - as already stated - is more than slave's worth. So basically selling the daughter does not add up. Of course, she already earned her worth in sex work and providing an heir, but either way it's financially less efficient to sell her than to keep her as a maid, or force her to do the whores work and take away all the money.
 

And also there's one more factor - father is abusive man. It's his addiction, he was abusive towards mother, he is abusive towards the slave wife, so I don't believe he'd become bored before he'd found his next victim.

[Monoman1]

51 minutes ago, kapibar said:

Come to think of it, if the father really was bored with the slave daughter, he would've offed her, just like her mother. After all, he spends a lot of time and resources into trapping the daughter in his game, producing an offspring is just a nice byproduct of having a sex slave. If having a kid was all that he wants, there are plenty of ways he could achieve just that (like kill the mother and trap the daughter in the basement). The son of a bitch is highly meticulous, he doesn't drop the ball even for a second. All of his doings serve a purpose, so making a mistake like underestimaning mental state of the PC would be quite uncharacteristic for him, and if he was bored - he would either sell the daughter with a large profit, or just killed her, so that his crimes don't come back to bite him in the ass in the future. He ties up the loose ends with mother when the child is born, so it would be reasonable to assume he'd pull the same stunt with his daughter.
 

Now, selling the daughter as a slave would make sense (after all, he did it with the mother) superficially, but when you think of it, it becomes less reasonable than it would seem.

We know that the price of the female slave via Simple Slavery varies greatly, the highest number I can recall is around 10k septim. All right, now let's look at the value of father's favour, which should give us an estimate on the labor's worth. It's around 10 septim for a favor, the player can earn around 80 septim just for a day of doing simple house chores (not including fashion rewards and other types of favours). So, just by performing simple labor you can earn the money to buy yourself a female slave in less than half a year. The father put a lot of work into molding the daughter into a slave - first the planning, then gathering the resources to poison the mother, then establishing control and training. It's easily something that would require a year of brain and leg work. Father would have to get at least 20k septim for his daughter on the free market, which - as already stated - is more than slave's worth. So basically selling the daughter does not add up. Of course, she already earned her worth in sex work and providing an heir, but either way it's financially less efficient to sell her than to keep her as a maid, or force her to do the whores work and take away all the money.
 

And also there's one more factor - father is abusive man. It's his addiction, he was abusive towards mother, he is abusive towards the slave wife, so I don't believe he'd become bored before he'd found his next victim.

While I agree with most of what you say (I think you read a little too much into translating the value of one mod's economy to another ) the mod has to... conclude somehow to allow you to proceed with the rest of the game. Right now it's basically about making a conscious decision (or some outside event - captured/enslaved) to leave home - Leave home and let father's favour run out and get thrown out (need to check if you lose access to the home in this case) And that's a perfectly fine approach IMO. 

 

Allowing father as a follower or relaxing daily requirements in exchange for favour would give you a little freedom and leeway to explore the rest of the game without 'cutting the cord' so to speak. 

[kapibar]

@Monoman1yeah, I know, different economy etc., but even by normal Skyrim's logic father's work input would be much more valuable than what he could get for selling his daughter (Dragon Bone is worth mere 500 septim, and you have to succesfully kill a dragon to get it, so...).
 

6 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

 Right now it's basically about making a conscious decision (or some outside event - captured/enslaved) to leave home - Leave home and let father's favour run out and get thrown out (need to check if you lose access to the home in this case) And that's a perfectly fine approach IMO.

That I already tried and it's basically impossible to get kicked out if you don't start to act out of character. Got thrown in jail for 10 days, then kidnapped, then I wandered Skyrim bound (thanks to Devious Carriages). I was out for like 15 days straight and when I got home father wasn't all too happy, but I could go back right to re-earning favours and in no time I managed to once again have a plus on my favour account. So basically the player would have to break the roleplay to earn being thrown out. The problem here is the father does not respond immediately and with dilligence the player can regain his favour and the loop continues.

One more thing that I thought of would be a special mission, where the father sends his new slave bride to invite her uncle to the wedding, just so the uncle could voice his displeasure in this turn of events (because he himself wanted to fuck the PC, or whatever), so he rapes her and sells her to slavery, or imprisons her in his basement for a few months. Anyway, when the daughter finally gets out, the door to her home are locked, the father is gone and that's the end of that. You could add a search scenario to get the kid back, or it could just end with the note that father is disappointed his bride disappeared on the slave altar, so he took the child and left to Hammerfell.

[Monoman1]

Posted Wartimes tweak 3.8 and YPS tweak 1.7. 

https://www.loverslab.com/topic/149018-wartimes-a-daughters-tale-le-alternate-start-scenario/?do=findComment&comment=3378897

 

Regarding bondage training. Not sure where to go with it. Arm/leg cuffs + boots/gloves is about as far as I can go without being intrusive to general gameplay. Piercings I want to save for YPS fashion and chastity interferes with pregnancy/fhu mechanics (+ I don't generally like chastity)

 

I think the best I can probably do is 'in home only' heavy bondage. So like a ring gag and maybe a hobble dress. Ask father to release you before you leave to remove the gag/dress. Favour -- if entering the home without your gag/dress.

 

Is there an 'open' hobble dress? I don't think there is.... Seems like a missed opportunity  

[kapibar]

6 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

I think the best I can probably do is 'in home only' heavy bondage. So like a ring gag and maybe a hobble dress. Ask father to release you before you leave to remove the gag/dress. Favour -- if entering the home without your gag/dress.

 

Is there an 'open' hobble dress? I don't think there is.... Seems like a missed opportunity  

There is a transparent hobble dress plus transparent gloves, restrictive boots and corset. The gag is a great idea, but there is one device that is criminally underused - the hood. With all of this equipped the PC would be nothing more than a doll, and if she ever wanted to leave the house she would have to ask for permission (device removal), so it adds a layer of control.

[MysticDaedra]

I have YPS installed and functioning, but I cannot interact with the option for the Fashion Job. Likewise I cannot take the cum slut job or select beastiality... 

[Monoman1]

29 minutes ago, MysticDaedra said:

I have YPS installed and functioning, but I cannot interact with the option for the Fashion Job. Likewise I cannot take the cum slut job or select beastiality... 

Cum slut requires SL Survival. 

Beatiality should be free to toggle. 

 

I think you're an SE user? Did you convert the mod?

After that I'd suspect installation issues or baked in problems with a save so Uninstall, reinstall and new game I'd say. 

[MysticDaedra]

huh, got here from a link on another page, didn't realize I was in the LE side of the forum lol. I'll convert and try again. Thanks!

[Monoman1]

Sorry folks. 3.8 is missing one script. Will post an update shortly. 

Edit: Should be ok now.

[Nazzzgul666]

1 hour ago, Monoman1 said:

Sorry folks. 3.8 is missing one script. Will post an update shortly. 

I started my new game just recently, mother was just sent away. Should i restart again or can i just update? Also, thanks for all that stuff you added... sounds truely amazing. ❤️

[Monoman1]

8 minutes ago, Nazzzgul666 said:

I started my new game just recently, mother was just sent away. Should i restart again or can i just update? Also, thanks for all that stuff you added... sounds truely amazing. ❤️

Honestly I don't know. I'm in the same boat so I guess I'll find out later when I get back to playing. 

The script in question is the enforcement of father's 'diet' on the player. So anytime food enters the players inventory he should FG and remove it. 

[Monoman1]

2 hours ago, Nazzzgul666 said:

I started my new game just recently, mother was just sent away. Should i restart again or can i just update? Also, thanks for all that stuff you added... sounds truely amazing. ❤️

Seems fine. Just exit the home and reenter to fix the scripts state. 

 

3.9 with a quick fix for father confiscating his dinner due to your diet control.... soonish. 

[Nazzzgul666]

7 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Is there an 'open' hobble dress? I don't think there is.... Seems like a missed opportunity  

Mhhh.... there is an outfit that might serve as one, i suggested it but it was only added to cursed loot, not DD. Unfortunatly i can't remember the name or location at all, it has been years... searching cursed loots thread with all my posts was rather tiresome as well, best i could find was this: 

But then again... this thread has some really nice outfits that could be used for bondage things without requiring DD. As it's all CBBE conversations, likely UNP versions are around somewhere as well.

[Monoman1]

Posted 3.9. This'll be it for a while I reckon (hopefully).

 

Also posted a tiny tweak for Aroused Creatures TWEAK (a tweak of the tweak) that allows you to exclude a character from SLAC. Aldo acts like a sex crazed lunatic without it - guaranteed to fire sex at a bad time and mess things up. See the log for how to use. 

[Ruffled Pigeon]

Updated Nylon fix for YPS Tweak v1.7

Special Edition only, not needed on LE. Simply overwrite 1.7 and only 1.7

 

Official fix on Page 24

 

Edited June 18, 2021 by Ruffled Pigeon

[lcewolf]

13 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Father getting spontaneously/randomly killed in a card game gone bad in town thus trusting you into the world unprepared is also a good idea. I don't think you should be allowed to keep the home in this case. Father probably left the house to your uncle or something. 

Whoa I like it! It's a very good idea!

[Nazzzgul666]

I do get this right that i don't need SD cages anymore, right? For some reason at my second visit at the hounds, clicking the door didn't do anything anymore... maybe i was too hasty, the first time i clicked it it was locked. 

[Monoman1]

1 hour ago, Nazzzgul666 said:

I do get this right that i don't need SD cages anymore, right? For some reason at my second visit at the hounds, clicking the door didn't do anything anymore... maybe i was too hasty, the first time i clicked it it was locked. 

Yea someone reported problems with the dog task. I haven't really looked at it yet. I don't really feel I have any reason to do the task myself so I've never really bothered. 

[jc321]

Not sure if it helps but in my experience there are two names for the cage door. One that doesn't do anything and one that does. It's not immediately obvious as when you put the cursor over the door you see what you think is the correct prompt to open, but then if you move the cursor slightly to the left a slightly different name appears.

 

One thing ... if you potentially managed to squeeze in another update, I don't think the Home actually has a fast travel location, or reference on the map. Didn't know if that was intentionally planned or not. Not a major issue, I do tend to fast travel from town via Laura's shop (which is conveniently opposite) but aware that adds a crippling time penalty if used for speeding up the run into town delivery (which I think is good btw!) 

[Nazzzgul666]

2 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Yea someone reported problems with the dog task. I haven't really looked at it yet. I don't really feel I have any reason to do the task myself so I've never really bothered. 

Huh. You don't ask father for tasks and eventually get it?

[Monoman1]

19 minutes ago, Nazzzgul666 said:

Huh. You don't ask father for tasks and eventually get it?

Oh I get them alright. What I mean is that there's no real pressure to do them. There's no time limit. You don't lose favour etc. I'm trying to level out my characters wear and tear so less sex = better. And 30 gold for 3 hours of work (time passed) doesn't seem worth it. I could probably find more than 30 gold in 3 hours just wandering around Skyrim. 

1 hour ago, jc321 said:

One thing ... if you potentially managed to squeeze in another update, I don't think the Home actually has a fast travel location, or reference on the map. Didn't know if that was intentionally planned or not. Not a major issue, I do tend to fast travel from town via Laura's shop (which is conveniently opposite) but aware that adds a crippling time penalty if used for speeding up the run into town delivery (which I think is good btw!) 

Everyone knows I'm not a big fan of fast travel

[Vuzzar]

22 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Posted 3.9. This'll be it for a while I reckon (hopefully).

 

I found a bug in the apology quest. The breeder branch ("We need to keep filling that little pussy of yours with cum sweetheart. Spread those legs for daddy.") is always picked even if player is not breeder. There is no conditions for it in CK and it doesn't have the flag R. That might be why it's always picked over all the other branches.

 

EDIT: Also found a mistake in the dialogue itself. Shouldn't there be a comma between the word "cum" and "sweetheart"? Like this: "We need to keep filling that little pussy of yours with cum, sweetheart. Spread those legs for daddy."

[TacticalBacon]

On 5/22/2021 at 11:43 PM, lcewolf said:

If you cannot use the door or load another savegame , sleep few day. When you speak with him again something between 2-3 day it will set the quest completed.Did that trick few time and it did work.

 

Thanks for the reply, it worked after sleeping 2 days.