Submissive Lola: The resubmission

[Zaflis]

1 hour ago, Krynn said:

the spanking animation doesn't work for me either, there is always just a random sex animation.

That's a different issue, i don't have any animation. You should see DF_Spank or something in FNIS log?

 

Edit: I meant whippings not spanking... and now they are working again for some reason. I saw both kneeling whipping and standing one.

[Krynn]

23 minutes ago, Zaflis said:

That's a different issue, i don't have any animation. You should see DF_Spank or something in FNIS log?

 

Oh no, it is only when I ask my Mistress for spanking me, then a random sex animation appears.
During the punishment it works.

[Hex Bolt]

2 hours ago, Krynn said:

the spanking animation doesn't work for me either, there is always just a random sex animation.

The mod description says, under Recommended Mods:  "Any mod that adds spanking sex animations: You'll need one of these for the spanking events to work right. Otherwise you'll just get generic sex animations instead."

2 hours ago, Zaflis said:

I saw both kneeling whipping and standing one.

This mod selects 1 of  3 PC poses for the whipping scene.  For the reward it's a Zaz idle, standing facing away presenting your butt.  For punishment it's the "inspection" pose from DD 4.3, standing facing your owner.  If that pose isn't found, then the old Zaz kneeling one is used. 

[Krynn]

ok, thanks, I must have missed that one.
One quick question. I'm up to 92,000 sub... is there any particular value to changing hair color?

[Zaflis]

3 hours ago, Krynn said:

One quick question. I'm up to 92,000 sub... is there any particular value to changing hair color?

I had first hair change event somewhere around 80+ today. But it may have a small bug. What i have set for it is "random color", and it was changed to new color while i was playing earlier. But then i loaded game and i only see a flash of the new color and then it swaps back to my original one. The hair event is still ongoing as i can ask follower to stop it.

[Herowynne]

42 minutes ago, Zaflis said:

But then i loaded game and i only see a flash of the new color and then it swaps back to my original one. The hair event is still ongoing as i can ask follower to stop it.

 

I have also seen this occur, in which the hair color reverts to the original color after loading a saved game.

[Hex Bolt]

45 minutes ago, Herowynne said:

I have also seen this occur, in which the hair color reverts to the original color after loading a saved game.

Hmm, there's nothing in the documentation about SetHairColor not persisting after loading the game.  I guess I can save the new color and set it whenever the game is loaded if the event is running.  That won't help quests already in progress though since the new color wasn't saved before. 

[Mehmeme]

2 hours ago, Zaflis said:

But then i loaded game and i only see a flash of the new color and then it swaps back to my original one.

I had this happen with the new hairstyle, it swapped to shaved and right back to my old hairstyle. Thats why I thought that there might be some incompability with yps fashion, which takes over hair growth.

[Herowynne]

1 hour ago, HexBolt8 said:

Hmm, there's nothing in the documentation about SetHairColor not persisting after loading the game.  I guess I can save the new color and set it whenever the game is loaded if the event is running.  That won't help quests already in progress though since the new color wasn't saved before. 

 

The problem does not always happen.

 

I have been testing Submissive Lola extensively over the past several days. I saw the issue occur once, during my first hair color change, in which the hair color reverted after starting the game and loading a save. I'm currently in the middle of my second hair color change, and so far, the changed hair color has persisted across game saves.

[Hex Bolt]

Update:  Confessions of a Slave

 

This is a complete patch for version 0.95.  You don't need earlier patches.  Previous updates are included.

 

 

EDIT:  Removed obsolete patch.

 

This is a different style of quest.  Instead of fast-clicking through dialog, you must read and remember your owner's instructions.  If you don't, you will likely fail.

 

In this new event, you must confess something embarrassing to two NPCs.
It can occur during the day in cities (not towns) or in any jarl's palace.
You're given a generous time limit, over two game hours, so you that you don't have to hurry.
Take your time, read, and remember.  Enjoy the NPC responses.  Some of them are surprises.
If you pay attention, you'll earn a nice score increase in just a few minutes of real time.

 

How confessions work

 

Your owner will give you 2 confessions to say, and 2 NPCs in the area to say them to.
You will say one confession to each NPC (you can speak to them in any order).
When you talk to the NPC, you'll have a line "I'm a slave..." to start the talk.
You'll have 6 possible dialog options.  Only one is correct.  Select the one that your owner told you to say.
Choosing the wrong line penalizes your score.
If you get both confessions wrong, you'll lose a lot of score and be punished.
If you get both right, you'll gain a sizable score increase.
Confessions might not actually be true.  They're something you're ordered to say.

 

The timer doesn't start until your owner finishes giving you instructions.  Don't rush.  You have a lot of time.
After your owner has given you your orders, you have two choices:
- Ask for a summary of what to say.  This is free.  (Recommended at first)
- Proceed without the summary and receive +2 score for being an attentive slave.

 

Some NPCs might have locked responses.  Gulum-Ei in the Winking Skeever kept saying he didn't want to talk to me, so I talked to the other NPC first and when I came back, Gulum-Ei would talk. 

 

There's a loophole that I intentionally didn't close.  Nothing prevents you from saying both confessions to the same NPC.  If one NPC simply won't talk to you, you can say both things to the other one.  It's more fun if you don't cheat, but I left that option open in case you're stuck with one NPC refusing to talk. *

 

If you use the forced prostitution feature, then starting with this update your clients will begin to remember you.  If you're made to tell a former client that you're a prostitute, that NPC will remember having sex with you and won't be surprised at all.

 

* EDIT:  I thought of this after posting this update.  In the next update, you'll receive a small score bonus for confessing to both NPCs (and getting both confessions right) to encourage you to do the quest right.  If you have to use the cheat of talking to the same NPC twice, you just lose the bonus.  

[just_Gina]

Played this mod a little on Monday and all day yesterday. Absolutely love it. Sub Lola has become a truly enjoyable slavery mod. So, thank you so much, the both of you.

The degree of control the MCM allows is really great, allowing for a personalized experience.

 

I have a few suggestions;

The first for immersion sake, remove footwear from the clothing / armor list. The slave would lose their feet from frostbite in less than a day walking around without barefoot.

If playing with Frostfall, shoes would be your only protection from freezing to death.

 

The second regards the Safe Zone. Many players use mods that add bad guys who spawn close to cities and towns. Since it often takes a few moments for the owner to react, it usually ends up being a beat down of the slave. If Safe Zones were inside the cities and towns, that would at least protect the player from many reloads, as they could help the owner stay alive, and keep the PC off the auction block.

 

The third one, with forced prostitution, maybe flag the owner as an innkeeper so the profits of the PC's labors go directly to him, and not the barkeep. Also  allow the PC to work

uninterrupted by the owner who often blocks the dialog with his comments, with are great BTW.

 

And the fourth one concerns the comments. Please allow the PC to answer his questions. It is a very immersive way to allow the player to 'feel' their PC's submission having to admit

it out loud to the owner.

 

Just a few things, that i have no idea if at all possible. Regardless, Submissive Lola; the Re-Submission is a fantastic bit of work that both Mr.Esturk and Hexbolt8 can be very proud of.

Thanks again to the both of you for taking this on and sharing the results.

 

 

[Hex Bolt]

6 hours ago, just_Gina said:

I have a few suggestions

Thank you for the encouragement and the suggestions!

 

Footwear

That's a good point.  I don't use mods like Frostfall myself, though I do sometimes use something to penalize bare feet.  Even without that, I've wondered if your owner really wants a naked slave with dirty feet.  Also, some players like to see their female characters in high heels.  Permitting footwear would support that.  I'll look into allowing footwear when naked.  There will be a few more keyword checks but that should be okay.  I'll send MrEsturk a note to let him know what I'm doing in case he doesn't want that.

 

 

Safe Areas

I'll have to look into how "Safe Areas" are implemented, but the problem is likely because of the way that city & town boundaries are designated in the game.  Sometimes they extend far out, but a mod can only know if you're in or out.  For example, that road south of Whiterun up to the meadery is all technically city, though you can have hostile encounters there.  I can add a new Walled Cities option that would only apply inside the walls, if that's something people would use.  You can still get vampire raids but the guards react quickly to those. 

 

 

Prostitution Cut

MrEsturk & I had talked about that and settled on saying that your owner has an arrangement with the innkeeper and gets a cut.  You're free to imagine it as a large cut.  Maybe it's 90% of what the innkeeper gets and the innkeeper just gets an "agent" fee.  Or are you saying that you want gold to actually be added to the owner's inventory?  We don't do that because it's so easy for you to just take it.

 

I use NFF with the sandboxing option, so when I'm soliciting my owner is actually sitting at table, apparently relaxing while I "work" and the innkeeper handles the money.  It's really free gold while the owner enjoys a few beers.  I also use Scent of Sex with a rule that has the owner find a partner and have sex in inns.  I'm having to do sex for pay with some sweaty farmer but my owner is doing it for pleasure.  How unfair!  Sometimes we're in the same room.  My owner is nearby having great sex and I imagine her glancing over at me and winking.  "You're doing great there, Lola!"  After an enjoyable climax she has another beer.  I have 3 more clients to go.  Shit.

 

 

Prostitution Comments

When are the owner idle comments annoying for you?  When you're in dialog with a client?  During sex using Apropos?  I'd like to target a solution to the problem rather than potentially shut down comments for hours while you're working.  Actually, a few specific comments about you working could be fun, if they don't interfere.  

 

 

Idle Comments

What did you have in mind there?  It's not possible to answer them directly.  The owner NPC is simply saying things out loud.  Some of them could be made into force greetings where the owner runs up to you and initiates a conversation, but we've had mod conflicts in that area and interruptions like that might be irritating.  Possibly the owner could have a new dialog "About the thing you just said", but you'd have to approach your owner and click through dialog options to respond.  Is that what you were looking for?  

 

For what it's worth, not being able to respond is also a way to feel your character's submission.  Your owner is teasing you and you can't reply.  You've learned not to try to defend yourself; it doesn't work.  Teasing is all it's intended to be.  Your owner would criticize you for not complimenting his or her beauty even if you recently did so, or your owner will find some other little thing you didn't think to do.  You both know you're not at fault, but your owner's power is demonstrated by criticizing you anyway.  Your performance will never be good enough, even if it's flawless.

 

There might be room to add some interactive comments to the events where the owner approaches you (or you offer service) and you get zapped or something.  Sometimes the owner could ask a question.  Are there any questions from the idle comments that you think might work there?  I've had a concept for a loaded question that I've talked about before, something like "What do you like best about me?" and you have to guess the answer that the owner wants to hear this time.  But that's probably not what you had in mind.

[just_Gina]

Safe Areas, i thought might be hard coded in the game.

 

Footwear would be a great thing, even if it has to be unarmored.

 

As for the pimp's cut, i can just add the owner into the innkeeper faction so he gets all my gold. Or, as you said, use my imagination and role play.

 

The idle comments and the servicing notifications during work are manageable thru the MCM, so no biggie.

 

The idle comments, well, i figured they couldn't be made to have responses. Otherwise at least some of the slavery mods would have incorporated it. Thing is, from experience, being made to answer a question like "Lola, do you like it when I spank you?" with, "Yes Sir, I like when you spank me, Sir."  is effective as a training tool. Having to own your submission out loud works wonders to deepen it.

 

i have taken that 'haven't complimented me' comment as a hint to ask for a punishment or spanking. But sometimes he asks a question that i wish i could answer, or respond to, especially the comments about the slave being proud of her collar or how happy she should be, being able to serve him. 

 

Could be that instead of force greeting, it could be part of the "may i be of service"  or a longer dialog tree under Master. i will have to think this through to see if it makes any sense.

 

Loaded questions can be fun, especially having to try and guess the compliment he is looking for. Sort of like your girlfriend asking if she looks fat in her favorite jeans. Change the subject fast, as it is a no win question.?

In this case a no win situation can be very interesting!

 

This play-through, the settings are arranged for an ideal slave game. Wanted to see how far the PC is taken down that road. So far so good. It was easy to get to 100, but don't see any advantage to staying there. 

 

Only problem i found so far, is that the guards in Whiterun won't actually spank the PC even though they agreed to... No big deal, 

 

Thank you for the reply, and again for the work you're doing.

 

[Hex Bolt]

3 hours ago, just_Gina said:

Safe Areas, i thought might be hard coded in the game.

Most things like this are keyword driven.  It's fast, efficient, and simple.  But one has to live with how things were set up in the base game.  There are a few exceptions.  I hard coded the locations for the inns in the 5 cities in Skyrim province because I really wanted the Confessions event to be able to trigger in larger taverns but not smaller ones.  I might have to do something similar for a walled city safe area setting, but 5 isn't bad.

3 hours ago, just_Gina said:

Loaded questions can be fun, especially having to try and guess the compliment he is looking for. Sort of like your girlfriend asking if she looks fat in her favorite jeans

That is exactly what I had in mind.  ?  But it should be somewhat fun and give you the feeling of progress as you begin to sense a pattern.  By design you'll never be right all the time, though, not even close.  I'm not sure when I'd get to it though, or how many people would enjoy that kind of thing.

3 hours ago, just_Gina said:

Could be that instead of force greeting, it could be part of the "may i be of service"  or a longer dialog tree under Master. i will have to think this through to see if it makes any sense.

Please think about that, and if you come up with something that seems fun and workable, post a suggestion here.  If I don't get to it, maybe MrEsturk will.  The only thing I specifically have in mind in that area is more begging for sex as your score increases.  It's very easy to get sex now.  Having to beg for something you know your owner wants to do seems right for this mod. 

 

The idle comments don't reflect owner mood, just things the owner might be thinking, mainly as atmosphere.  Most are actually situational, commenting on your wearing a certain device or being in a particular location to give the impression that the AI is aware of what's happening.

3 hours ago, just_Gina said:

the guards in Whiterun won't actually spank the PC even though they agreed to

I've never tried to test this.  Has anyone else seen it work or not work?

[Mehmeme]

10 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

I've never tried to test this.  Has anyone else seen it work or not work?

Had exactly the same thing happen, thought the game just glitched out or so.

[just_Gina]

The dialog topic " Master may I..." might be the best choice, though it disappeared for me around level 60, before i had the chance to test the "I love you" choice.

In life, many Doms require their subbies to keep a journal, which is something you can't do in the game. But if, as you level up, lines like "I'm ashamed to admit this, but 

I like...need...love"...fill in the blanks with different behaviors like control, rules, games. Eventually "ashamed to admit" morphs into "Your slave is so very happy that...so very proud..."

 

As you level up, closer to 100, the safety valve of complaining would slowly disappear, until at 100, it disappears completely* and only very submissive responses remain. Lola has

become a well trained slave who finds pride and contentment in serving the owner.  *Except for the "I love you," which should remain as it's a very natural reaction for a subbie. After all, the Dominant is providing the sub something they desperately need and long for.

 

i use the journal Take Notes in my games in the same way that i use my real one. Not as a chronicle of what happens but an exploration of how what happened made me feel.

For instance; apparently Lola is almost as into humiliation as her owner. The humiliating action soon becomes rote, and ceases to be humiliating. Admitting you like being treated that

way to others, including your owner, is the true humiliation. That is why being forced to tell others of your slavery and depraved needs is such a cool addition to this mod.

Willingly admitting those things to the owner, and thanking him for taking the time to teach you about your inner desires would really drive that point home.

 

 *I use NFF with the sandboxing option*  Never tried that one, i use IAFT and pretty sure i have auto relax turned on. Never tried Scent of Sex, but the idea of having Master taking 

his pleasure with another while i am providing the coin to pay her sounds like an interesting few paragraphs in my journal. Will have to check it out, think i've room left in my plugins.

[Dyshonoriusz]

2 minutes ago, Mehmeme said:

Had exactly the same thing happen, thought the game just glitched out or so.

Tried several times, same for me too.

[Hex Bolt]

2 hours ago, Mehmeme said:

Had exactly the same thing happen, thought the game just glitched out or so.

I'll look at it.  Thank you everyone for reporting this.

2 hours ago, just_Gina said:

The dialog topic " Master may I..." might be the best choice, though it disappeared for me around level 60, before i had the chance to test the "I love you" choice.

I think you're referring to "I want to tell you something."  It has three topics, an I set it up so that you can only choose one every 24 hours, to encourage the player to choose what's most important for the character.  "I love you" never disappears, but if you're choosing another topic then you lose out on this one.  By design you never get much expression of affection from your owner for this one.  Either your owner just sees you as a sex object, or can't/won't express those feelings, or chooses not to as to not seem too soft.  As the player you can fill in the reason. 

2 hours ago, just_Gina said:

But if, as you level up, lines like "I'm ashamed to admit this, but 

I like...need...love"...fill in the blanks with different behaviors like control, rules, games. Eventually "ashamed to admit" morphs into "Your slave is so very happy that...so very proud..."

The rather general "Thank you for making me your slave" topic touches on this.  It could be expanded a lot, and perhaps having to choose one of three topics could go away.  The complaining topic morphs greatly depending on your score, from "You can't treat me like this!  I'll never submit to you.  Never!" at Rebellious to "I like when you tell me what to do.  Lola is good and always obeys." at the highest level, and the score adjustments likewise range from negative to positive.  I wanted to get these in as a start.  They certainly could be expanded.  I'd like to see more roleplay options in the mod, but features and fixes had to come first.  If you or anyone else would like to write some basic text for things the PC might say, that would be welcome. 

 

"Admissions" might even work well as a force greet outcome, in which your owner wants you to admit to something you like about being a slave.  As you said, it could progress from "ashamed to admit" to "very proud".

2 hours ago, just_Gina said:

i use the journal Take Notes in my games

I spend so much time in my Take Notes journal trying to record my character's attitude and mental state.  I like to play a wide variety of characters, and this process helps me understand (and remember) what direction this one is taking.

3 hours ago, just_Gina said:

Scent of Sex

That mod can be script heavy if you set up far-reaching conditions and have NPCs engaging in sex everywhere you go.  But I haven't noticed any impact because I only use 1 or 2 very specific rules, such as owner seeks out a partner of a specified gender and excluding some races in an inn when arousal is above a threshold.  When it triggers, it seems natural.  I also kind of feel left out, which was the point.  The owner can have my character any time, so this happens when we get to an inn.

[just_Gina]

i wouldn't know about " I want to tell you something " as it disappeared from my dialogues when i reached around level 60. i thought it was supposed to be like that once you were mostly submissive. It was there on Tuesday and gone Wednesday....hmmm, maybe today...

 

Be happy to write some dialog, from either POV.

 

Resubmission is leaps and bounds over the original mod, which was very good in its own right. So much more fleshed out and intense, in fact, that i actually broke down and made suggestions, which i never do.

 

i understand that the owner only sees you as property, and has no more fondness for the slave then they would a tunic or a vase. Great when they serve their purpose, otherwise forgotten about, unless more training is required. But for a subbie, and the consensual slave it is a completely different dynamic. They are being cared for, given the type of relationship they crave, and treated in accordance with their needs. How can they not love the Dom / Owner. Maybe not a romantic love, but a love none-the-less.

For a non-consensual slave it would probably be the exact opposite. In the consensual Lola when she says she loves him, he might respond with something like..."Yes Lola, I know you do. Pets usually love their owners."  or, "Not that I care, but it's nice to know your response to my strong hand guiding you."

 

i have to say the prostitution part of the mod is my favorite. i've always hoped for a forced prostitution mod, and this fits the bill better than any other whoring mod. Set it to 8 - 12 hours and you begin to feel a bit hopeless about ever being allowed to get enough rest. Of course all you need do is change it back to 48 hours and you're off to the races again. Great feature!

Especially now i told the owner to "wait here." Can't wait to try Scent so he can play while she works her tush off.

Didn't realize Scent has 66 pages of instructions....rotf

 

 

[darktej]

hi @HexBolt8. tried the recent patch. when the Motivation event happens...nothing happens. I am guessing the whipping animation should play. but nothing is happening.  and when I try to interact  with the owner after this,  no dialogue tree appears. I have EFF as a floower framework. t is it a known issue or an issue on my end.? I have ZAP and ran FNIS. 

[Hex Bolt]

45 minutes ago, darktej said:

tried the recent patch. when the Motivation event happens...nothing happens. I am guessing the whipping animation should play. but nothing is happening.  and when I try to interact  with the owner after this,  no dialogue tree appears.

You're the only one to report this so far.  Apparently something went badly wrong.  If you can, revert to an earlier save so you can talk to your owner again.  If not, use "StopQuest vkjOwnerComment" to try to clear the dialog.

 

Check your installation.  If you don't have a script file vkj_zMotivate, you're missing some stuff.

 

When you can talk to your owner, use the console to "set vkjTest to 1" and use the "Master/Mistress?" dialog.  You'll see several test options like "[TEST] I've been bad."  Test spanking and whipping.  They should work.  Those are real punishments so be sure your game is saved first. 

[darktej]

30 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

You're the only one to report this so far.  Apparently something went badly wrong.  If you can, revert to an earlier save so you can talk to your owner again.  If not, use "StopQuest vkjOwnerComment" to try to clear the dialog.

 

Check your installation.  If you don't have a script file vkj_zMotivate, you're missing some stuff.

 

When you can talk to your owner, use the console to "set vkjTest to 1" and use the "Master/Mistress?" dialog.  You'll see several test options like "[TEST] I've been bad."  Test spanking and whipping.  They should work.  Those are real punishments so be sure your game is saved first. 

no just checked my script folder ...I do not have the vkj_zmotivate file. checled the August 11th file as well. there is no file like that as well in the rar file. am I missing something?

 

I looked through the previous comments and found out that you had introduced this feature around Aug 7th. And I missed that patch. I downloaded the Aug 11th patch directly.

[Hex Bolt]

19 minutes ago, darktej said:

I downloaded the Aug 11th patch directly.

That patch is intended for the official release 0.95.  Get 0.95 from the main mod page and install that first, then overwrite with the Aug 11 patch.  If you try patching an older version, you'll have a mess. 

[darktej]

@HexBolt8 I think I figured what I did wrong. I will try and reinstall 0.95 ( I have 0.84) and install the latest patch. 

[Hex Bolt]

6 hours ago, just_Gina said:

i wouldn't know about " I want to tell you something " as it disappeared from my dialogues when i reached around level 60. i thought it was supposed to be like that once you were mostly submissive.

It never goes away, but it does have a 24 game-hour cooldown.  The way I have it now, if you choose any topic under "I want to tell you", that makes "I want to tell you" disappear for 24 hours.  It didn't seem right to be able to fish for score increases by using "I love you" and "Thank you" in the same day.  Even the complaint topic eventually becomes a declaration of obedience at high score, also with a chance for a score reward.  Anyway, it should return when a full day passes.