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27X

27X

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25 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

What the fuck is a Mediterranean lineage?

The Mediterranean diet is one of the healthiest in the world, certainly better than Britain and America. Funny how you are the expert on what vitamin D can do yet I have not seen any government or health organisation promoting it in the fight against this virus.

By the power of Greyskull, you are fucking dense.  Like animated cartoon dense. Diet and genetic trait expression density and propensity are two completely fucking unrelated things, secondly the Mediterranean diet as pedaled on youtube isn't even KIND of what the people in Morocco/Gibraltar/Spain have available to them, but do go ahead and continue to trip over your own reproductive organs face first on a perennial basis... again. And as a matter of fact the governments of Korea, Japan, and New Zealand have recommended it, particularly to people of african and mediterranean descent.

Grey Cloud

Grey Cloud

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18 minutes ago, 27X said:

Diet and genetic trait expression density and propensity are two completely fucking unrelated things,

I never said otherwise. You mentioned lack of vitamin D in the diet of various countries.

"From about late March/early April to the end of September, most people should be able to get all the vitamin D they need from sunlight.

The body creates vitamin D from direct sunlight on the skin when outdoors."

 

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Sources include:

  • oily fish – such as salmon, sardines, herring and mackerel
  • red meat
  • liver
  • egg yolks
  • fortified foods – such as some fat spreads and breakfast cereals

Another source of vitamin D is dietary supplements."

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vitamins-and-minerals/vitamin-d/

That's obviously about the UK. Spain, Italy and the rest of the Mediterranean countries get a lot more sunlight than we do here. (It rained near enough every day in June where I live and July is not doing much better so far).

 

"A Mediterranean diet incorporates the traditional healthy living habits of people from countries bordering the Mediterranean Sea, including France, Greece, Italy and Spain.

The Mediterranean diet varies by country and region, so it has a range of definitions. But in general, it's high in vegetables, fruits, legumes, nuts, beans, cereals, grains, fish, and unsaturated fats such as olive oil. It usually includes a low intake of meat and dairy foods.

The Mediterranean diet has been linked with good health, including a healthier heart."

https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/what-is-a-mediterranean-diet/

 

 

28 minutes ago, 27X said:

genetic trait expression density and propensity

So this is another subject on which you are an expert? Could you provide any links to back up your claims about the Mediterranean peoples or are we all expected to just boew before your knowledge?

 

30 minutes ago, 27X said:

pedaled on youtube isn't even KIND of what the people in Morocco/Gibraltar/Spain have available to them

Did I mention Youtube? What diet do these people have available?

 

33 minutes ago, 27X said:

And as a matter of fact the governments of Korea, Japan, and New Zealand have recommended it, particularly to people of african and mediterranean descent.

"A review of research by the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence suggests there is no evidence to support taking vitamin D supplements to specifically prevent or treat COVID-19.

But experts do think that it may have some broader health benefits during the pandemic.

According to a report in BMJ Nutrition, Prevention and Health, "As a key micronutrient, vitamin D should be given particular focus - not as a 'magic bullet' to beat COVID-19, as the scientific evidence base is severely lacking at this time - but rather as part of a healthy lifestyle strategy to ensure that populations are nutritionally in the best possible place."

Some researchers have suggested that vitamin D deficiency might be linked with poorer outcomes if someone catches coronavirus. But other underlying risk factors, such as heart disease, are common in these patients too, making it hard to draw conclusions.

Prof Jon Rhodes, Emeritus Professor of Medicine at the University of Liverpool, says vitamin D has anti-inflammatory effects, and there is some research that suggests it may dampen down the body's immune response to viruses.

This could be relevant in very ill coronavirus patients where severe lung damage can result from an inflammatory "cytokine storm" in response to the virus, he says, although much more research is needed to explore this."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52371688

 

From what I can see, the connection between Vitamin D, Covid-19 and non-white people is that the non-whites are more likely to suffer from a Vitamin D deficiency because of lockdown (lack of direct sunlight) therefore they need to boost their intake of the vitamin so they are in better shape to combat the virus if they get it.

As an aside, most of the hits that came up for Covid-19 and Vitamin D were from newspapers around the world.

https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1548/rr-6

 

 

ItsPiggle

ItsPiggle

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I think the sooner we realise and accept that we know nothing credible about the global situation and/or c19 the better off we will be. Misinformation and ignorance kills. Everyone has their own 2 cents. News outlets print anything because, well, views = money. Who cares about it being factually correct... right. Countries can't manage and record the c19 statistics correctly and most hide harsh facts *insert economic conspiracy*

 

When it takes the WHO 4 months after countries have gone into multiple lockdowns to finally announce that they "think" c19 can be airborne and "maybe" wearing masks might help -> this says everything about how inept the people in leadership positions are. Any news outlet or article regarding this global pandemic should be taken which a massive side of caution. Incubation periods range from days to weeks, with multiple external factors that can't be isolated such age or health, or pre-existing health conditions or types of immune systems

 

On topic: We have a police station 2 blocks down from where i stay(less than 2 minutes walking distance), It was closed down two month's ago due to an outbreak of Covid. The staff were not quarantined, but sent to other offices in the surrounding areas to work out of, until the BUILDING was cleared. Personally never knew buildings could get infected by hey, learn something new everyday *sarcasm*.  Not a single person in the surrounding area was concerned at all and continued to exist day to day as if everything was still "normal".

 

Then what do we as humans do? we lick windows or cough in others faces. No point arguing who knows more about our situation, because we all know nothing except what has directly impacted us.

Tron91

Tron91

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@gregathit

 

Being dismissive about what other's are saying is not proving you are always correct. And, stop with that F*** word bullshit, you are a moderator if am correct.

 

And you also need to update your knowledge about Covid-19. You can't make an assumption of recoveries from a disease when you have not even fully analyzed the lung conditions of recovered patients.

 

Here Read On: https://theconversation.com/coronavirus-can-cause-lasting-lung-damage-but-the-effects-may-ease-over-time-140398

 

And also these two PDF's attached. Read the ajr pdf and see what the disease is doing to the lungs.

PIIS2213260020302228.pdf ajr.20.22954.pdf

gregathit

gregathit

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37 minutes ago, Tron91 said:

@gregathit

Being dismissive about what other's are saying is not proving you are always correct. And, stop with that F*** word bullshit, you are a moderator if am correct.

I'll use whatever fucking word or words I fucking well feel like fucking using dude.  This is an adult site.  So fucking deal with it.

38 minutes ago, Tron91 said:

@gregathit

And you also need to update your knowledge about Covid-19. You can't make an assumption of recoveries from a disease when you have not even fully analyzed the lung conditions of recovered patients.

I don't need to update anything.  You made dumbass statements and I corrected you.  Deal with it.  I have made ZERO assumptions about COVID.  You stated lungs can't recover.  That is wrong.  Get it through your head that NO ONE KNOWS SHIT ABOUT COVID right now.  It will take months, hell maybe years, before all the data is crunched and the FACTS are known.  All we have right now are theories.  Theories are NOT FACTS.  That you don't know how to distinguish between the two is not surprising given the nonsense you have been spouting.  Do everyone a favor and stop.

45 minutes ago, Tron91 said:

Here Read On: https://theconversation.com/coronavirus-can-cause-lasting-lung-damage-but-the-effects-may-ease-over-time-140398

Would you please stop posting links to obscure news and opinion outlets.  They are unreliable.  I gave you a link to medical website.  You are giving back third hand opinion pieces.  Do you not know how silly that is?  Besides, your blathering isn't even backed up by the link.  It says, and I quote: "the vast majority who contract COVID-19 will make a full recovery."  Oh and that link also pulls from this article (see below link) of a study of two people.  Two.  Hell the article even states that since the study only had two people and was for a very short term, much larger and longer term studies are needed.  IE, for the laymen, they fucking don't know shit.  Link:  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7251349/

 

Can it.  You fucked up.  Own the shit and move on.  You are just going to make this worse for yourself if you keep on.

Tron91

Tron91

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@gregathit

 

A doctor in a medical website just making an assumption is your full proof concept? Where is his research data to support his claims? Do you know what is tissue scarring? What did I originally say in my statement? "It never goes back to the default factory state", did you understand plain English? You didn't even want to read or hear what others gotta say. The second PDF I uploaded shows what comes out in CT scans of Covid patients.

 

And by the way who are you to correct me without facts?

gregathit

gregathit

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On 7/11/2020 at 4:04 PM, Tron91 said:

@gregathit

A doctor in a medical website just making an assumption is your full proof concept? Where is his research data to support his claims?

Fuck me, you can't comprehend a fucking thing can you?  I'm done talking with you as you can't follow a logical thought if you tried.  Seriously.  You are utterly incoherent.  Shockingly so.  Are you using a translator?  THE ABOVE WAS YOUR PROOF, NOT MINE.  YOU are the one that claimed something originally.  I pointed out you were wrong.  Even the so called proof that you tried to pass off proved you were wrong.  How in the fuck can't you follow this?  You just embarrassing yourself.  Stop.

On 7/11/2020 at 4:04 PM, Tron91 said:

@gregathit

What did I originally say in my statement?

Go fucking back and read it.  WTF?  You can write but not read?  Shit, that would explain a lot come to think of it.

On 7/11/2020 at 4:04 PM, Tron91 said:

@gregathit

"It never goes back to the default factory state", did you understand plain English? 

WHICH IS WRONG.  Every single article that I quoted, and even YOU quoted says MOST FOLKS RECOVER.  Which means it DOES go back to normal.  Yes, there are some that don't.  SOME.  Some is not ALL.  Learn how to choose the correct word.  There are NO long term studies that say otherwise because the whole fucking thing is quite recent.  Tell me you at least understand that fucking much.  If you don't, then you are a lost cause.

On 7/11/2020 at 4:04 PM, Tron91 said:

@gregathit

You didn't even want to read or hear what others gotta say.

Nope.  I don't.  Not when what they have to say is stupid, wrong, and incoherent.  Not to mention logically untenable.  But hey, wear that tin foil hat proudly my friend.

On 7/11/2020 at 4:04 PM, Tron91 said:

@gregathit

And by the way who are you to correct me without facts?

You wouldn't know a fact from a fart, so why should waste my time.  Seriously.  Who are you to demand that I bow to your fucktard logic?  Fuck that noise.  I gave you facts and you can't parse them or the logic behind them.  

Grey Cloud

Grey Cloud

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2 minutes ago, spoonsinger said:

Dr. Hubbard from an era when killa bees were going to kill everyone.

 

 

Never heard of Dr Hubbard but I'm old enough to remember Dr Kildare.

Grey Cloud

Grey Cloud

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2 minutes ago, gregathit said:

They are "murder hornets"

The mind boggles. 'Murder' suggests premeditation or at least intent. I admit that I don't follow hornet evolution closely but I'm pretty sure they haven't reached that stage yet so surely it should be 'Manslaughter Hornets'?

 

gregathit

gregathit

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1 minute ago, Grey Cloud said:

The mind boggles. 'Murder' suggests premeditation or at least intent. I admit that I don't follow hornet evolution closely but I'm pretty sure they haven't reached that stage yet so surely it should be 'Manslaughter Hornets'?

I'm having to clean up my coffee after spewing it from laughing.  Our best and brightest don't work in the news media, so expecting logic from them is a bit much.

spoonsinger

spoonsinger

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Right having followed this thread almost religiously for about five minutes I can surmise the effects of COVID-19 through the art of review.

 

I think you'll agree, pretty horrifying. Someone should probably do something about it.

Grey Cloud

Grey Cloud

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3 minutes ago, spoonsinger said:

Right having followed this thread almost religiously for about five minutes I can surmise the effects of COVID-19 through the art of review

You might be on to something



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rdrakken

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On 7/7/2020 at 10:40 PM, Tron91 said:

Well what you say may be correct, but just remember what you saw in Italy, Britain, USA, Spain and now whats going on in Brazil. Those are not Cattle they were humans.

People die every day from something...

The initial panic was justified, a death rate of over 10% is crazy high and worthy of fear and trying everything to stop its spread...what we know now though? Not even close.
 

rdrakken

rdrakken

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On 7/11/2020 at 3:46 AM, Grey Cloud said:

So after months of a conspiracy theory saying that China was underplaying the death toll we now have a new conspiracy theory saying that China overplayed the death toll. Is there any reason given as to why China would over play the death toll?

 

 

Are you SERIOUS? Actual information is not a conspiracy theory.

Go do a simple search for "China hid information about virus" and look at the sources for the news articles about it. Washington Times. MSN. CNBC. USnews. FoxNews. Bloomberg. USAToday. AP. ABCNews. NBCNews. CBSNews. BBC. CBC. Independent.co. Al-Jezeera, NYTimes. BusinessTimes.

Its not a "Right-wing" thing or a "Left-wing" thing...not an "American" news thing...its been all over the place. Even outside normal media sources. You will find everything from how China knew about it in November, how they kept outside experts from getting in or finding out about it, how the WHO worked with them hiding information including it being transmitted from human to human...

As for that asinine ending question...please go read some books about Communism, and dictatorships and why they control information...

Grey Cloud

Grey Cloud

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19 minutes ago, rdrakken said:

As for that asinine ending question...please go read some books about Communism, and dictatorships and why they control information...

In other words you cannot answer my question. I have a degree in Politics and Contemporary History and am a life-long student of history. I've read more academic level politics and history books than you have had hot dinners. I don't get my info from mainstream media or muppets on the Internet.

 

Before you get hysterical and hit the capslock key again, I suggest you read what I wrote. I didn't make any comment about whether China told the truth about the virus. My comment was about the fact that previously everyone was adamant that China was under playing the death toll and now you are saying they over played it. I also asked why they would over play it.

 

Trykz

Trykz

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On 7/11/2020 at 4:43 PM, gregathit said:

NO ONE KNOWS SHIT ABOUT COVID right now.  It will take months, hell maybe years, before all the data is crunched and the FACTS are known.  All we have right now are theories.  Theories are NOT FACTS.

 

This.

 

But as true as it is, I prefer to err on the side of caution for precisely that reason. At 55 years old (today actually ?), I feel I'm better off safe than sorry. Because many times *theories* bear out into *facts*. Though my wife and I are relatively safe here in the mountains of Upstate New York, my daughter and granddaughter are still in the Orlando area of Florida. We're currently discussing the possibility of my granddaughter coming to New York for school. Given that so little is factually known about this virus, we just don't feel it's safe for her to attend school in Florida. Our daughter (a college grad) is fully capable of home-schooling her, but it would mean giving up her job, and I'm simply not in a position right now to support them from a distance, AND help out with the families here while my sons are deployed. Having our granddaughter stay with us for school simply makes the most sense. But ultimately, the choice is hers.

 

Trykz

gregathit

gregathit

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1 hour ago, Trykz said:

But as true as it is, I prefer to err on the side of caution for precisely that reason. 

In a nutshell, I agree wholeheartedly.  You do what makes you comfortable and I'll do want I want.  That is as fair as it can get.

I am sorry about the tough choice you have before you and those of your family. 

Unfortunately all the misinformation, politics and hysteria has prevented the facts from coming out so that folks can make informed decisions.  To me, that is sad.  There needs to be a reckoning for this, so that if anything similar happens in the future, the nonsense that has happened, doesn't happen again.

I would rather have the facts, even if they are horrific, so that I can make an informed decision.  

winny257

winny257

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12 hours ago, rdrakken said:

As for that asinine ending question...please go read some books about Communism, and dictatorships and why they control information...

and you believe capitalism is better?
espionage against the world population is the rule, even Microsoft does it!
Here is an example, when secret documents get to the public! :classic_wink:

Spoiler

 

 

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