Opinions of The Witcher Series on Netflix?

[Wolfstorm321]

4 hours ago, Doctor Cadaver said:

If the author himself is helping to make these changes, arguing about it is a moot point...is it? ?‍♂️

 

Not really. The creation exceeds its creator. After you publish it, and it gains recognition and becomes a egregore in itself, you cant just go back and change the base of it. Appeals to authority will not work.

[FauxFurry]

2 hours ago, Wolfstorm321 said:

 

Not really. The creation exceeds its creator. After you publish it, and it gains recognition and becomes a egregore in itself, you cant just go back and change the base of it. Appeals to authority will not work.

That is pretty much how people felt about the revisions that George Lucas and Steven Spielberg made to Star Wars, E.T. and Indiana Jones in the 1990s. The creators of South Park depicted what they did as a literal rape of Indiana Jones (the character).

Even with copyright laws being as borked as they are (thanks in no small part to Disney), no rights holder will ever have the final say on what the audience feels about an IP nor will IP rights alone preserve a work for posterity if no audience cares for the IP any longer.

[landess]

6 hours ago, RitualClarity said:

an American Indian for Yenn

Yep, works for me.

 

[grundor67]

Though I do think the present actress does a good job portraying Yenn, I always pictured Eva Green in the role:

[Adipsycho]

No idea why and how any of this got signed off, didn't they ask the fans what we wanted? it be lucky get a 3rd season. i managed to watch a few episodes to see what they fucked up and i was amazed.. even had the mages spells wrong not just how they looked... load of tripe, thanks Netflix. one series i won't be watching.

[winny257]

I think my heart is bleeding!  I believe Netflix hates beards.

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[Canaris]

Netflix Yennefer mainly looks faaaar too young. 
Yen was always a right proper MILF, not a young adult chick. The girl they chose isnt bad or god forbid ugly but she just doesnt "work" as Yen. 

15 hours ago, 27X said:

Contrary to canaris magical 4chan interpretation Stregobor is a tenth dan dick, Foltest was a popular king, he sure as hell wasn't a just one,

No he wasnt. 
Book Stregobor was more of a cold, uncaring kinda sorta naive scientist type and completely convinced that the Black Sun shit wasnt just fake raving of a mad man. 
He supposedly had good "evidence" for the mutations and he was kinda begging Geralt for help. He never incited Blaviken smallfolk to attack Geralt, far from it, he even warned him about how what he just will be seen by them and offered him a way to escape. And he doesnt even exists outside the Lesser Evil short story so the entire "Stregobor sent Istredd to seduce Yen and spy on Arethuza and meddle with their shit" plotline is complete asspull because white man bad. 
Marillka was a small kid and her entire role was taken by her father and a town guard called Nosikamyk - in fact Nosikamyk was one that suggested that Geralt show the Kikimora to their village wizard and it was really nice little touch so typical to the Sapkowski prose. But again - those two were straight white males and we cant have that in 2019 so we have forced female brat whose one of the first lines is bullshit about how 'no female witchers" "rule" is wrong.
Foltest in the "Witcher" short story ( about the Stirga ) was specifically caring about both Striga/Adda and his subjects - he plainly states that he knows she suffers and wants her to rest but not without a rescue attempt. He was much more cordial and invested in stopping Striga from the get go, he didnt need stronk whamyn of colour to force him to the action. Thats because Triss was never in that short story and her role was actually made off three different guys. But of course in today PC culture we cant have white guys in charge and doing good job so we are left with a Foltest coward sister fucker and stronk whamyn that forces him to act. 
Including Triss into the series that early changes the entire Geralt-Triss-Yen dynamic, Fringilla was specifically stated as a almost erily pale black haired chick so its a huge mistake to have her played as a black actress, having that huge amount of black extras makes absolute zero sense in the pre industrial world where only blacks are faaaaaaaaar down south beyond Nilfgaard borders and we can list shit like this for a while. 

Go fuck yourself and take that bullshit "muh 4chan" strawman with you. And while you are out, read the damn books and stop talking trash. 

[GrimReaper]

>author is working with the writers on the show

>author that doesn't like video games

>author that didn't like the games that made his works popular in the first place

>author that is a pedantic prick getting mad that CDPR made more money from the IP than he anticipated and wanted to extort more money out of the developers after they got so popular

 

>muh purity of the author's vision

[27X]

I'm not talking about the Black Sun and neither were you, and there is no strawman other than your interpretation, which isn't even kind of accurate, nevermind that every person but one affected by the prophecy turned out to be evil so he was entirely right about its effect. During the Amphisbena Hunt Stregobor and Zavist take credit for the kill and he literally tells Idi Geralt is a liar and a fraud. You were saying something about reading the damn books? Maybe you should.

 

 

Foltest caring about his daughter is a given and doesn't extend to outskirts pr even outside of his castle; secondly in the show Foltest shows up at the keep of his own accord and Triss is nowhere to be found, so your tack isn't even accurate, which is pretty funny because it would actually support your case, but you were too busy being all roided up about the 3 character changes approved by the guy in charge in the first place ruining your pristine vision.

[Canaris]

24 minutes ago, GrimReaper said:

>author is working with the writers on the show

 

And ? You truly believe that he has anything to say that wont be automatically dismissed as "toxic white male hating on strong whamyn of colour" ?
We live in a world where sjw's killed the supposedly immortal franchise that was Star Wars, the obscure Polish franchise is a perfect target for their convergence.  

 

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>author that doesn't like video games

>author that didn't like the games that made his works popular in the first place
>author that is a pedantic prick getting mad that CDPR made more money from the IP than he anticipated and wanted to extort more money out of the developers after they got so popular

 

And ? The fuck video game has to do with this ? 
 

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>muh purity of the author's vision

Its not "author vision", its original source material. Thats the entire point of filming a book/game/comics instead of making your own IP. 
Bonus points to relevancy when those changes make the series worse, less "realistic", less engaging etc. 

 

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I'm not talking about the Black Sun and neither were you, and there is no strawman other than your interpretation, which isn't even kind of accurate, nevermind that every person but one affected by the prophecy turned out to be evil so he was entirely right about its effect. During the Amphisbena Hunt Stregobor and Zavist take credit for the kill and he literally tells Idi Geralt is a liar and a fraud.

So now we are talking about backstory that isnt even present in the series ? Talk about cherrypicking. 
 

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You were saying something about reading the damn books? Maybe you should.

I did multiple times. Thats why i know you are talking shit, typical for a sjw. 
 

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Foltest shows up at the keep of his own accord 

No he doesnt. 
 

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Foltest caring about his daughter is a given and doesn't extend to outskirts pr even outside of his castle;

It doesnt have to. In the books he does care about rescuing Adda and he and Velerad are the ones who enlist a witcher, not some bullshit miners. 
And he is also much more involved from the start, asking Geralt questions, answering his, giving backstory etc. 
 

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were too busy being all roided up about the 3 character changes approved by the guy in charge in the first place ruining your pristine vision.

Nice strawman. Absolute bullshit like every strawman but pretty slick. The changes from the books, in the first 3 episodes alone, are numerous including those who significantly change the entire character dynamic and no amount of bullshit sjw deflection will change that. 

Get bent. 
 

[RitualClarity]

When I first saw the 1 through 3 episode I was like WTF and was deeply upset. The casting and such was off. I understood some of the early settings and the actual. set was pretty good.

 

However, when told it was more basedon the books or source materials I was like WTF?  It was the game that made it mainstream popular and brought light to the entire IP. Why would the book be used over the game?  AS for the characters I am told they are based (mostly) on the book with some liberties taken. I will just have to take people's word for it until I decide to read the books. However, that doesn't mean I will like the series due to this fact.

 

And as for the book adaption.. I believe the original series (iwth subtitles) is better, at least as far as I can see and watched.  Sure the sets aren't as good with the special effects and such but... the casting and direction seems to be more true to the books than the Netflix version.

[RitualClarity]

4 hours ago, grundor67 said:

Though I do think the present actress does a good job portraying Yenn, I always pictured Eva Green in the role:

She does have that... WTF did you say to me Geralt? Face.. lol

[KoolHndLuke]

On 12/26/2019 at 9:07 PM, FauxFurry said:

'bastardizations'

Some bastards are better than others. http://www.hollywood.com/movies/film-adaptations-better-than-book-gallery-60220137/#/ms-21977/1

 

I read Jaws and The Silence of the Lambs and only remember the movies. Jaws, in particular, gave me a phobia. Silence of the Lambs was absolutely brilliant with Anthony Hopkins and Jodie Foster.

 

None of these actors have just "owned" their character in this series by comparison with the exception of Jodhi May and MyAnna Buring.

[landess]

I grew up with television - How many of you remember getting your first color tv? How about that 4th network, beside ABC, CBS, NBC?

 

I escaped the indoctrination of television close to 20 years ago, yet occasionally check the cable networks ( less/no commercials ) when a show is considered a major hit and keeps this status for a few years. Still this doesn't guarantee a successful conclusion - looking at you G.O.T., or any kind of conclusion at all - looking at you Walking Dead.....

 

Last time I 'tried' to watch something on TV it was painful.... nothing more than some tripe to keep you around for commercials - not to mention the computer controlled wavy cam that didn't create a feeling of excitement - more like nausea.

 

I really hope the Witcher is a success - anything which has ties to a game needs some love and recognition. I just don't have any faith in corporate america when it comes to just about anything.

[Vuulgar]

I thought the acting was quite good and almost all the writing as well in spite of changes to the original. Some of the production value seemed low but if it remains popular that will improve. My only real complaint, small as it is, I hope the monster fighting doesnt happen off screen as it did a couple times, I assume this was for cost savings for the first season. All in all, lots of potential on a good start.

[Vuulgar]

5 minutes ago, landess said:

I grew up with television - How many of you remember getting your first color tv? How about that 4th network, beside ABC, CBS, NBC?

 

I escaped the indoctrination of television close to 20 years ago, yet occasionally check the cable networks ( less/no commercials ) when a show is considered a major hit and keeps this status for a few years. Still this doesn't guarantee a successful conclusion - looking at you G.O.T., or any kind of conclusion at all - looking at you Walking Dead.....

 

Last time I 'tried' to watch something on TV it was painful.... nothing more than some tripe to keep you around for commercials - not to mention the computer controlled wavy cam that didn't create a feeling of excitement - more like nausea.

 

I really hope the Witcher is a success - anything which has ties to a game needs some love and recognition. I just don't have any faith in corporate america when it comes to just about anything.

Yup, a giant console black and white with a small screen, damn thing was like 5 feet long. I was in my mid-teens before we had more than NBC and CBS....that being said, my parents bought one of those 10ft satellite dishes and at that time nothing was scrambled. Dozens of movie channels and also several porn channels that I am sure my parents never knew about.

[landess]

36 minutes ago, Vuulgar said:

my parents bought one of those 10ft satellite dishes and at that time nothing was scrambled.

I was pretty amazed you could watch news feeds before they actually started 'feeding'. The talking heads would sit there chatting , etc.  Then bang they were serious, and you could see what was being aired normally, before ending and returning to a 'non-televised' status.

 

Yep, lot's of porn, pretty cheap too. I just never said anything to my parents, I just paid the bill, gave the satellite receiver I.D. and boom, hope the parents never surfed those satellites and channels.

 

I was always curious how Cable companies avoided the twice a year 'sun out' which occurred for around 15 minutes when the tilt of the earth caused the sun to cross behind the transmitting satellite, basically over powering it's signal with cosmic static. I'm guessing they had several satellite dishes within a few miles and they just picked the best signal.

[Canaris]

5 hours ago, KoolHndLuke said:

Some bastards are better than others. http://www.hollywood.com/movies/film-adaptations-better-than-book-gallery-60220137/#/ms-21977/1

 

I read Jaws and The Silence of the Lambs and only remember the movies. Jaws, in particular, gave me a phobia. Silence of the Lambs was absolutely brilliant with Anthony Hopkins and Jodie Foster.

The public opinions are divided but i vastly prefer Expanse tv series to books.. I like how Drummer got a bigger, better role, i like Alex character, i like the fact that Ashford is less of a cunt and more of a dedicated and caring about OPA wellbeing etc. 

[winny257]

15 hours ago, KoolHndLuke said:

Some bastards are better than others. http://www.hollywood.com/movies/film-adaptations-better-than-book-gallery-60220137/#/ms-21977/1

 

I read Jaws and The Silence of the Lambs and only remember the movies. Jaws, in particular, gave me a phobia. Silence of the Lambs was absolutely brilliant with Anthony Hopkins and Jodie Foster.

 

None of these actors have just "owned" their character in this series by comparison with the exception of Jodhi May and MyAnna Buring.

not everything is gold what glitters.
These are the 20 worst video game films!
sorry, german.

https://www.giga.de/spiele/street-fighter-30th-anniversary-collection/gallery/das-sind-die-20-schlechtesten-videospielfilme/

https://www.gameswelt.de/top-10/special/enttaeuschende-filmumsetzungen,261503

[KoolHndLuke]

1 hour ago, winny257 said:

not everything is gold what glitters.
These are the 20 worst video game films!
sorry, german.

https://www.giga.de/spiele/street-fighter-30th-anniversary-collection/gallery/das-sind-die-20-schlechtesten-videospielfilme/

https://www.gameswelt.de/top-10/special/enttaeuschende-filmumsetzungen,261503

Kinda reminds me of old Godzilla movies I watched as a kid. They were terrible movies in almost every way, but they had their own special charm, lol. 

 

"So bad that it's good" is a tricky honor for a creative piece to earn. The people making the game, show, book or whatever have to work on the project knowing that it's shit and just have fun with it because there's an audience for it. I've known women that love trashy romance novels for instance and of course there's always porn. But, those are for niche markets anyway.

 

What's extremely difficult, I think, is to try and gauge what will work in a visual story or a game as opposed to a book meant for a wide audience- especially in an adaptation. Some writers, directors are just gifted like that and it's why we want to see their films or play their games. Witcher 3 by CDPR is a prime example of how to do things right in almost every regard- save for how they fucked the modding community. With film, the core is the actor(s). If you don't have talented director/actors, then nothing will see it's potential realized and I noticed that this show has used several different directors so far.

[GrimReaper]

22 hours ago, Canaris said:

And ?
 

The point is that the author himself doesn't seem to care that much as long as he feels he's getting enough money out of it. And he created and owns the source material.

[Canaris]

1 hour ago, GrimReaper said:

The point is that the author himself doesn't seem to care that much as long as he feels he's getting enough money out of it. And he created and owns the source material.

And ? Why does that matter ? 
Where is the evidence that he "doesnt care" as opposed to "is inteligent enough to know that he will never get his way so keeps his mouth shut" ? 

[27X]

1 hour ago, Alkpaz said:

Is that a bad thing? I mean YTers who display mods make money off the mods they display (often times thousands of dollars a month), while the creator of the mod barely makes a dime. The author of The Witcher books probably is in the same situation as a mod creator, compared to the income generated from the games (which probably surpasses a billion and change when adding all 3 games, along with advertisement revenue, etc) I mean ATM his net worth stands at: Andrzej Sapkowski $2.3 Million. GOT actors have more net worth than that. 

 

To put that to scale: "Murderer Jodi Arias had an estimated net worth of over $10 million."

I think you'll find his net worth considerably more than that following his netflix and cdpr (re)deals.

[winny257]

4 hours ago, GrimReaper said:

The point is that the author himself doesn't seem to care that much as long as he feels he's getting enough money out of it. And he created and owns the source material.

do not forget that age plays a certain role, Andrzej Sapkowski is already 71 years old.
i don't think that much money plays a big role at this age, but an old man is much more likely manipulable and influenceable! 

[merManc]

1 hour ago, stingray1995 said:

Yennefer's too young - I expected to see a woman, not a brat.  And they must've screwed up on the casting for Triss; when I saw Geralt's mother at the end - the redhead -  I thought of Triss right away.  I mean, how hard could it have been to cast a fiery redhead to play the part of Triss Merigold?

 

Geralt was pretty great; even sounded like the dude out of the game.  Ciri?  Same thing as Yen and Triss:  meh.

 

All of those points would be perfectly fair enough if the games were the source material. The books are the primary source material, however, where Yennefer looks very young due to her magic, Triss isn't a fiery redhead, and - in the early stories this first season was based on - Ciri is a young girl. Obviously they have made some big changes with some characters, and it seems clear that the games heavily influenced their depiction of Geralt himself, but Yenn, Triss and Ciri are pretty faithful to the novels.