Devious Followers - Continued

[Toxic.S.Kamasami]

spanking as a punishment for slave ? okay I will download right now you got me

[bubba999]

9 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

Partly my bad, as I did mean to verify the version number in the patch check, but forgot all about it.

Everything is working as it should! Finally, my bad girl can beg for what she needs and get it. Thank so much!

[ff7sephiroth]

Damn excellent mod! Hey i wanted to ask, is it possible in the future to extend this mod to include content with your spouse? It seems that we lack any good mods that include the marriage  mechanic in the game, and most of the mechanics this mod ads , i feel  would work well. Anyways many thanks for the hard work!.

[Balgin]

13 minutes ago, ff7sephiroth said:

Damn excellent mod! Hey i wanted to ask, is it possible in the future to extend this mod to include content with your spouse? It seems that we lack any good mods that include the marriage  mechanic in the game, and most of the mechanics this mod ads , i feel  would work well. Anyways many thanks for the hard work!.

For a devious spouse you'd probably want to turn on endless mode otherwise it would get very awkward if they sold you into slavery and you eventually came home to see them again.

[Shion11]

i ran into the no deal/ deep debt deal after trying to max all the classic and modular deals. 

is it possible to make it a option?

i do enjoy having a truly helpless dragonborn.

[Lupine00]

1 hour ago, Shion11 said:

is it possible to make it a option?

There is an option for it already. It's in modular deals, bottom left.

 

Let me know if the option does not work!

 

 

Obviously, you cannot disable it once you have the deal.

[Lupine00]

7 hours ago, ff7sephiroth said:

Damn excellent mod! Hey i wanted to ask, is it possible in the future to extend this mod to include content with your spouse?

If you look on my blog, there's soooo much discussion about this, and how you would pay your spouse, and how that could work...

 

I want DF to be sort-of compatible with Pet Project, but the mod is really built around money right now, so there would be a lot to do.

[Lupine00]

13 hours ago, bubba999 said:

Everything is working as it should! Finally, my bad girl can beg for what she needs and get it. Thank so much!

Great. I was sure it worked... ☺️ You cannot believe how many times I got spanked making this update. Or maybe you can. ?

Keep spanking and see how it works out for your willpower.

Is it too easy? Too harsh? Let's see. 

 

 

[Clea Strange]

I have a suggestion and not sure if its been mentioned or not but how about a prostitution deal where you follower whores your character out

[Lupine00]

20 minutes ago, Hiderius said:

I have a suggestion and not sure if its been mentioned or not but how about a prostitution deal where you follower whores your character out

It has been mentioned. Of course, making a good prostitution experience is not so trivial, but...

 

1) There is, in fact, already a whore deal; one of the original classic deals. It's not really a serious money making endeavor though.

2) You get whored out ... a lot ... if you are enslaved. Again, money is not really a goal.

3) See the roadmap for future work on my blog.

[Shion11]

4 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

There is an option for it already. It's in modular deals, bottom left.

 

Let me know if the option does not work!

 

 

Obviously, you cannot disable it once you have the deal.

 

4 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

There is an option for it already. It's in modular deals, bottom left.

 

Let me know if the option does not work!

 

 

Obviously, you cannot disable it once you have the deal.

i meant to say is it possible to fill up the whole classic and modular deals without running into a load of no deals?

[Lupine00]

1 hour ago, Shion11 said:

i meant to say is it possible to fill up the whole classic and modular deals without running into a load of no deals?

That depends on how many modular deals you use.

You can configure it, and each one will need three active modular deal stages to fill.

 

If you set it to ... one ... you will probably have no issues with getting deals full of "deep debt".

If you set it to five, you will probably see several deep debt items.

 

Alas, classic and modular deals can easily conflict and block each other.

 

The modular deal system is not much like the one I envisaged, described, or hoped for.

Lozeak put most of the effort for the 2.X release into the LDC, but not as much into the modular deal system.

It was, as delivered, even by 2.03 not really working.

 

At this point, you should at least not be in a situation where you are getting the same requirements from a classic and a modular deal, or modular deals that create impossible conflicts.

And the situation where players simply got 'nothing' is resolved as long as they allow deep debt deals.

For players who want to use all modular deals, they should be fairly successful enabling five, and disabling all the classic deals.

For player who want to use no modular deals, that's also an option.

 

Personally, I enable all the classic deals and find having two modular deals enabled in combination with that is about right.

 

In the future, I plan to add some more modular deals that have no conflicts with classic deals or other modular deals.

I almost added them back in 2.11, but then decided it would hold back a bug-fix oriented release that players really needed ASAP.

 

 

In the meantime, 2.12 is probably the biggest minor-version update there's been for DF, and the bug and problem situation is looking pretty good compared to where things were back at 2.04. The only reason this isn't a 3.0 release is that it doesn't need a new game.

There is one big remaining problem - the cloak-based sex-partner scanner - and I think we will say goodbye to that problem in 2.13, one way or the other.

 

But because the bug situation is looking good, I'll finally be able to put more effort into content, and there should be some movement on the roadmap ... which I originally predicted probably wouldn't begin to see progress until mid 2020.

 

But where things are right now, there are a lot improvements to old features that really weren't as useful as they ought to be. Those features aren't new, but they should feel new.

 

In combination with the cost configuration system, it's possible to set up Chaos and have it work sensibly from the start of your game to the end, without having to go in the MCM and fix the ranges repeatedly. Chaos is more useful now: easier to set up, easier to adjust, better to have in your game, and I recommend that everyone have a little chaos in their game. You can set min and max the same for a value you don't want to to vary.

 

The willpower regain options are less confusing now, and you should have some idea that what you configured is what you expected. You can set willpower regains to be low, or high, or nothing at all.

 

I am pleased with how the new spanking works as an experience. I still want more dialog around it, more "roleplay", more ways to interact with the follower and other NPCs, but Spank that Ass already works nicely with it, and you get some surprisingly appropriate lines from NPCs. It's great that the animation creators came through and let me make the SLAL pack, so users can have an easy experience setting this up. It was a ton of extra work, right at the end of the release, but I think it was worth it.

 

I'm currently working on SLAX, and there will be a bugfix release for that shortly, followed by a feature update after that. It's safe to assume that DF 2.13 will require SLAX as a hard dependency, so it can use the new scanner that will be part of it. That is, assuming I don't release 2.13 quite shortly to fix problems with 2.12, but so far, I only have a couple of little niggles I would urgently like to fix, and neither is really a bug as such.

[Rolgar]

I played so far around 4hours with the last beta's and the current release. My playstyle is such that the dragonborn resists to it's best for deals. I had her into like six deals but she was able to buy out again. However, so far there was no spanking. I don't see an option for "spanking deal" in the MCM as well. I have STA 3.7 installed and her progression towards Masochism is roughly in the middle between Hates and Likes. So when will Spanking start? Do I have to do anything?

[Rolgar]

1 hour ago, Rolgar said:

I played so far around 4hours with the last beta's and the current release. My playstyle is such that the dragonborn resists to it's best for deals. I had her into like six deals but she was able to buy out again. However, so far there was no spanking. I don't see an option for "spanking deal" in the MCM as well. I have STA 3.7 installed and her progression towards Masochism is roughly in the middle between Hates and Likes. So when will Spanking start? Do I have to do anything?

I found it. For some reason (?) it did show up as a dialog option. However, I have the next problem. It is related to STA. Device spanking no longer seems to work. At least it is not triggering in my game. Even if I kind of provoke it. First I thought it is related to SLAX and replaced it by SLAR, but issue is not getting resolved. Any ideas?

[Lupine00]

7 hours ago, Rolgar said:

However, so far there was no spanking. I don't see an option for "spanking deal" in the MCM as well.

There is no spanking deal, that is still to come. The existing spanking is all voluntary and on request, which is what I said I'd do when I first raised it on the STA/SLS forums.

At the time I designed the spanking deal I thought it would require STA; actually it won't.

 

5 hours ago, Rolgar said:

Device spanking no longer seems to work.

Did you install To Your Face, or something like that?

I find that furniture spanking is working normally for me, and I have both SLAX and DF 2.12

 

There are numerous complaints about furniture spanking stopping, and they predate DF 2.12 by months.

TYF was found to be the culprit in every reported case, but there may be other mods that do something similar to mess with Hellos.

If you have a mod that is blocking them due to dialog priority, that could be a cause.

 

5 hours ago, Rolgar said:

First I thought it is related to SLAX and replaced it by SLAR

Having been through the SLAR code line by line, I would never run it again. The SLAX WIP is just that though, it's not even a beta really. However, it will get a proper release soon.

 

There is no way that SLAX could impact your device spanking as that has nothing at all to do with arousal, while that is all that SLAX deals with.

OK... Keywords... If you wanted to test keywording issues, you could use the alchemy table naked just to check  

A keywording issue would block bump spanks too.

 

The keywords in SLAX are just keywords. If you apply them statically via the ESP, there is no difference between the SLAX ones and the Babo ones, except there are more in SLAX and one incredibly egregious spelling error is changed, but that doesn't change the form ID and would only impact get keyword by name, which IMHO should be avoided if at all possible as it's caused horrors in the past.

 

The dynamic keyword system may sometimes not apply a keyword, but that's an MCM issue rather than in the lower level logic. If you apply, unapply and reapply, they are always registered correctly.

[Nazzzgul666]

Uh... how difficult is it to encounter events by chance? And are there any changes to the old DF? I believe to remember that wearing a pet suit when talking with Balgruuf (any Jarl) would trigger one but it didn't happen. Is there also something like a chance? Or maybe because i also wear a corset and gloves and piercings?

The old DF description mentions an event with Jarl when wearing a collar, but wearing the one that prevents magic from SLS didn't trigger anything either. Does it matter if i manipulated the locks?

[Lupine00]

55 minutes ago, Nazzzgul666 said:

Uh... how difficult is it to encounter events by chance? And are there any changes to the old DF? I believe to remember that wearing a pet suit when talking with Balgruuf (any Jarl) would trigger one but it didn't happen. Is there also something like a chance? Or maybe because i also wear a corset and gloves and piercings?

You have that mixed up, that's why it isn't working for you.

 

Events aren't changed at all, except that the sex animations you get should be less inappropriate to worn devices.

 

The conditions for events are various, but usually involve low willpower, high debt, and wearing one specific device and not other devices that will block the event.

 

You may want to try with a collar. The corset gloves and piercings are probably ok, I don't recall exactly.

[Nazzzgul666]

38 minutes ago, Lupine00 said:

You have that mixed up, that's why it isn't working for you.

 

Events aren't changed at all, except that the sex animations you get should be less inappropriate to worn devices.

 

The conditions for events are various, but usually involve low willpower, high debt, and wearing one specific device and not other devices that will block the event.

 

You may want to try with a collar. The corset gloves and piercings are probably ok, I don't recall exactly.

Ah, didn't remember the high debt part which might be a reason nothing triggered so far, i tried to avoid that.^^ 
Did you add own events already i should look for? It feels kinda cheating asking for it, but without at least knowing which devices would block something... imho they are quite easy to miss.

[Lupine00]

1 hour ago, Nazzzgul666 said:

Did you add own events already i should look for? It feels kinda cheating asking for it, but without at least knowing which devices would block something... imho they are quite easy to miss.

There's nothing new from me yet. There's a list of possible ideas in the roadmap post. Feel free to suggest more.

[valcon767]

1 hour ago, Nazzzgul666 said:

Ah, didn't remember the high debt part which might be a reason nothing triggered so far, i tried to avoid that.^^ 
Did you add own events already i should look for? It feels kinda cheating asking for it, but without at least knowing which devices would block something... imho they are quite easy to miss.

IIRC the Jarl one needs a collar, low will, high debt.

if trying to trigger this one i would try with collar (and piercings) only, anything else i would try to be out of first to give best chances for it to trigger if

other parts are met (low will and high debt).

 

there are dungeon events 1 for boots and 1 for blindfold, but i don't remember offhand if they have other triggering requirements.

 

[bubba999]

It's me again. I found something weird. Character had no deals. I have them set for seven days. Made a new deal to wear bondage boots and it took 500 gold off the debt. I then went in to check on buying out of a deal and it gave me a choice to buy out of the deal I just made for around 250g immediately! So I think something is strange there.

Sorry to be a bother!

 

[Lupine00]

2 minutes ago, bubba999 said:

It's me again. I found something weird. Character had no deals. I have them set for seven days. Made a new deal to wear bondage boots and it took 500 gold off the debt. I then went in to check on buying out of a deal and it gave me a choice to buy out of the deal I just made for around 250g immediately! So I think something is strange there.

Possibly not. If you don't tell me your deal scale, deal buyout scale, early buyout penalty, it's hard to say. 

 

Did you set the early buyout penalty to zero?

[bubba999]

32 minutes ago, Lupine00 said:

Possibly not. If you don't tell me your deal scale, deal buyout scale, early buyout penalty, it's hard to say. 

 

Did you set the early buyout penalty to zero?

Let's see, the only thing I changed was deal duration to 7 days.

 

Deal Debt Relief = 200%

Early Removal Scale = 500%

Deal Removal Cost = 100%

 

It used to be a huge amount of gold before the latest changes if she tried to buy out early. Now it's 270 gold to buy out of a deal that did 500 g in debt relief and only one day later. Maybe the early removal scale is not kicking in?

 

[Lupine00]

2 hours ago, bubba999 said:

Now it's 270 gold to buy out of a deal that did 500 g in debt relief and only one day later. Maybe the early removal scale is not kicking in?

It was working for me. Many times. I'll see. Maybe it is a timer problem.

[Nazzzgul666]

7 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

There's nothing new from me yet. There's a list of possible ideas in the roadmap post. Feel free to suggest more.

I have started to read through your blog, not nearly finished but commented on your cash alternative and roadmap. In this order, likely best to read them that way too. I might be a bit late for the cash alternative since i read you already started working on it... overall, i think my suggestions should at least be compatible to your plans, though.

And while reading through the blog i remembered one thing that currently bothers me currently ig and did so since the old DF: i really, really want a cooldown for the "I'm a slut" deal. I think i don't even know how any further stages look like because i get rid of it asap, or at least before i see stage 2. That it triggers 3 times in a row when i try to talk to 3 different NPCs... is still okish. What freaks me out though is when i try to talk to somebody specific, it triggers. Dialogue closed. I talk to him again, it triggers again - with consequences. I try again, triggers again. Then, for a change, it does not trigger. Instead, DCL triggers. Comment about my devices, maybe actions. Try again. The deal triggers again. Next try. DCL again, with consequences. Next try. This time i actually can talk to somebody.
That it takes me up to 20 minutes for a single "here is your stuff" comment to finish a quest is... not what i want, really.