Troubles of Heroine

[Oyhuria]

at The Utmost Heist  i get a ctd when im in the horses stables and the game try to teleport pc
the game just crashes at loading screen

[DSHV]

On 1/21/2021 at 11:44 PM, DuskGuard said:

Was the Hypnosis removed from the Real and False heroes questline?

Yes. I removed this in one of the previous updates.

On 1/22/2021 at 1:50 AM, MicroWazzle said:

I'd really love to see if it could actually be continued 

I have no ideas how to continue this yet.

8 hours ago, asdkljfhawekfjln said:

Maybe there can be an MCM option for the quest

There's the "Innocent Child" option, which disable/enable Pirve.

7 hours ago, Oyhuria said:

the game just crashes at loading screen

Something in the room may cause a crash, such as the absence of a model. All the models there are vanilla except ZAZ furniture. Maybe try Crash Fixes and Load Game CTD Fix mods.

[Zanzuki93]

I have to say i really like the option where you can choose not to become a slave when you encounter serpent XD 

[Oyhuria]

1 hour ago, DSHV said:

Yes. I removed this in one of the previous updates.

I have no ideas how to continue this yet.

There's the "Innocent Child" option, which disable/enable Pirve.

Something in the room may cause a crash, such as the absence of a model. All the models there are vanilla except ZAZ furniture. Maybe try Crash Fixes and Load Game CTD Fix mods.

i already use crash fix soo im afraid that this inst the problem
id say that my save file is corrupted or whatever, i didnt tried it in a different save, im literally going to try it rn and then report here  (i still think that this inst the problem too, since i was playing Glenmoril that has some big cells without CTD)

also when i was playing now the same loading ctd happened in service to art too

[Lupine00]

9 hours ago, Oyhuria said:

at The Utmost Heist  i get a ctd when im in the horses stables and the game try to teleport pc

Would not be the first time Skyrim had a problem on player teleport.

This is sometimes a hard problem to solve.

 

CTD usually comes from the same old problems though:

• bad (corrupt) NIF files
• mismatched skeleton
• out of memory
• corrupt texture
• corrupt animation
• corrupt ESP/M file

Tracking down a bad NIF can be very hard.

Mismatched skeleton is usually easy to fix, and is caused by poor ordering of left pane in MO, or bad choices during install for NMM.

Out of memory is often "falsely" reported for corrupt NIFs etc as they try to allocate insane amounts.

It rarely does occur for real, but is usually always solved by re-playing.

Corrupt ESPs and ESMs usually crash on load, so it's probably not that.

[Oyhuria]

that definitely wanst my save
 

30 minutes ago, Lupine00 said:

Would not be the first time Skyrim had a problem on player teleport.

This is sometimes a hard problem to solve.

 

CTD usually comes from the same old problems though:

• bad (corrupt) NIF files
• mismatched skeleton
• out of memory
• corrupt texture
• corrupt animation
• corrupt ESP/M file

Tracking down a bad NIF can be very hard.

Mismatched skeleton is usually easy to fix, and is caused by poor ordering of left pane in MO, or bad choices during install for NMM.

Out of memory is often "falsely" reported for corrupt NIFs etc as they try to allocate insane amounts.

It rarely does occur for real, but is usually always solved by re-playing.

Corrupt ESPs and ESMs usually crash on load, so it's probably not that.

probably something about NIF, Textures or esp
idk what it may be, since i have no experience with esp files or nif, tomorrow i'll just try to reinstall both zaz and ToH, maybe check nifskope but i know i cant do much soooooo..

additional info is that this mod sometimes ctd when i try to check some of its items in Additem menu.
that aint a rlly problem for my gameplay but every information is necessary when solving those kind of stuff. i slep gn

[MicroWazzle]

5 hours ago, DSHV said:

Yes. I removed this in one of the previous updates.

 

What would you think of adding the hypnosis in the real and fake dragonborn quest as a option in the mcm?

[RoxDox]

First up I would like to say I like the premise of this mod, but I feel it needs a lot of work. There are so many quests with seemingly a random amount of markers or no markers at all, a good example is the dragon born quest to find 5 cultists, there is no indicator to where they are only 5 locations the player may not have found. Even once you get to these locations the "cultist" isn't marked out, I failed to find any of them. This makes for a really hard time completing  quests. I don't know if you're going for some kind of minimal guidance thing but it doesn't really work when the grammar in the mod is this poor, I understand English isn't your primary language but maybe consider letting people translate or update the mod with unofficial translations, I've already seen some folks posting edits in this thread. Possibly also integrating with some other frameworks such as DD for devices or items related to what your character is meant to have equipped may make for a better time. For instance the quest where you apparently are having piercings done, nothing comes out of this scene and you don't really get the feeling your character is becoming more and more corrupted by this guild of degenerates. With all that being said though I hope you continue with the mod and improve on everything, I feel it is rather unique and there aren't many other mods like this one out there.

[wHOaMiEH]

16 hours ago, asdkljfhawekfjln said:

This mod is great.  One suggestion: can we have a more immersive start to the main quest?  As a lvl 4 coming into Whiterun meeting the kid and being told to buy a house and my spouse and kids are captive... doesn't feel like the best hook.  Maybe there can be an MCM option for the quest to quest to auto start later in a play through after actually getting married or having the first adopted child (or your own through Fertility).  It would feel like a better introduction to actually have a partner or child before being exploited to crazy town for their sake.

 

This a pretty good suggestion actually(the alternative is to simply activate the mod further down the playtrough,as I am doing for now).About Artano content...that thing writes itself(a high elf with a superiority complex and being a thalmor at that).DSHV if you have any more text to be corrected , feel free to send it.

[Lupine00]

Another "logical" start would be one where you meet a hooded old man in an inn and have a conversation about your secret desire to be humiliated and debased.

 

A day or two later ... almost as if by coincidence ... Serpent shows up while you are travelling in the wilderness and says he heard of your wish and has come to grant it.

You can willingly agree, or refuse and fight (as normal start).

 

But in this case, you're basically asking to be debased from the start, and no blackmail or coercion is required - you're totally into it.

[Oyhuria]

just here to report that i reinstalled the mod and everything is fine now. lol

[wHOaMiEH]

3 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

Another "logical" start would be one where you meet a hooded old man in an inn and have a conversation about your secret desire to be humiliated and debased.

 

A day or two later ... almost as if by coincidence ... Serpent shows up while you are travelling in the wilderness and says he heard of your wish and has come to grant it.

You can willingly agree, or refuse and fight (as normal start).

 

But in this case, you're basically asking to be debased from the start, and no blackmail or coercion is required - you're totally into it.

 

 

Even better...no need to have a family for the story to work. The conversation should be long and skillfully managed but this could work . This is also fantastic for high lvl characters who need a new challenge to overcome. ?

[The Lord]

Noticed two small mistakes with the Doppelganger lines I made (corrections in green):

Spoiler

DIAL 04018138 AAADoppelgangerMaster FULL [Strength] You realize that if you don't stop I will have to beat you to pulp?

INFO 04018144 AAADoppelgangerThuum NAM1 All you can do, I can do. All your attributes and skills are mine as well. Such is the nature of my ability. If I were to turn into a different person,

Also, the following lines might have been missed:

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INFO 0401814E AAADoppelgangerNoHoodTopic NAM1 Showing off my face again without permission, are we? Would you rather have it mutilated beyond recognition? No? Then put that hood back on.

INFO 04018150 AAADoppelgangerNoHoodTopic NAM1 Showing off my face again without permission, are we? Would you rather have it mutilated beyond recognition? No? Then put that hood back on. It's gone? Here, I'll summon another one. Maybe you'll take better care not to lose it this time around.

INFO 04018149 AAADoppelgangerYou NAM1 I'm a Doppelganger Daedra. I used to work for Boethiah, but now I'm free of service, travelling Nirn. And ever since whispers of your deeds reached my ears, I have been enjoying myself. Immensely.

DIAL 0401815A AAADoppelgangerDomSpit FULL   [Spit on them]

INFO 0401815E AAADoppelgangerSubTopic NAM1 [Spits on you]

INFO 04087988 AAADoppelgangerQuestPower NAM1 Of course, I am not just some ordinary Daedroth. I'm a Demiprince. I have a high rank. Well, had...

INFO 04087988 AAADoppelgangerQuestPower NAM1 Alas, here I am slightly limited in strength, but you should see what I am capable of in my native plane.

Last but not least, can a native speaker take a look at this line, please:

Spoiler

INFO 04018162 AAADoppelgangerSubTopic NAM1 Maybe once I have beaten you black and blue, your face all swollen from the blows, will people not recognize it anymore.

I am not sure the placement of "will" is correct or sounds very natural even if correct.

[Zanzuki93]

1 hour ago, The Lord said:

Noticed two small mistakes with the Doppelganger lines I made (corrections in green):

  Reveal hidden contents

DIAL 04018138 AAADoppelgangerMaster FULL [Strength] You realize that if you don't stop I will have to beat you to pulp?

INFO 04018144 AAADoppelgangerThuum NAM1 All you can do, I can do. All your attributes and skills are mine as well. Such is the nature of my ability. If I were to turn into a different person,

Also, the following lines might have been missed:

  Reveal hidden contents

INFO 0401814E AAADoppelgangerNoHoodTopic NAM1 Showing off my face again without permission, are we? Would you rather have it mutilated beyond recognition? No? Then put that hood back on.

INFO 04018150 AAADoppelgangerNoHoodTopic NAM1 Showing off my face again without permission, are we? Would you rather have it mutilated beyond recognition? No? Then put that hood back on. It's gone? Here, I'll summon another one. Maybe you'll take better care not to lose it this time around.

INFO 04018149 AAADoppelgangerYou NAM1 I'm a Doppelganger Daedra. I used to work for Boethiah, but now I'm free of service, travelling Nirn. And ever since whispers of your deeds reached my ears, I have been enjoying myself. Immensely.

DIAL 0401815A AAADoppelgangerDomSpit FULL   [Spit on them]

INFO 0401815E AAADoppelgangerSubTopic NAM1 [Spits on you]

INFO 04087988 AAADoppelgangerQuestPower NAM1 Of course, I am not just some ordinary Daedroth. I'm a Demiprince. I have a high rank. Well, had...

INFO 04087988 AAADoppelgangerQuestPower NAM1 Alas, here I am slightly limited in strength, but you should see what I am capable of in my native plane.

Last but not least, can a native speaker take a look at this line, please:

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INFO 04018162 AAADoppelgangerSubTopic NAM1 Maybe once I have beaten you black and blue, your face all swollen from the blows, will people not recognize it anymore.

I am not sure the placement of "will" is correct or sounds very natural even if correct.

for the final line "Maybe once i have beaten you black and blue, your face all swollen from the blows, people will not recognize it anymore".

[Lupine00]

6 hours ago, Zanzuki93 said:

for the final line "Maybe once i have beaten you black and blue, your face all swollen from the blows, people will not recognize it anymore".

But it would be more natural if it was something like...

 

"Maybe, if I beat your face to a pulp, then people won't recognize it?" OR

"Maybe, if I beat your face to a pulp, then people won't recognize it so easily?" OR

"Maybe, if I beat your face black and blue, then people won't recognize it so easily?" OR

"I'll beat your stupid face until it's unrecognizable."

 

You could drop the maybe off the other variants too.

e.g. "If I beat your face to a pulp, people won't recognize it."

[Ds4nch3z]

I've been trying a couple of mods that go well with ToH

 

One is submissive Lola re submission which when paired with one of the characters from ToH works really well to add even more things to the characters. I like having the ToH characters as followers so this adds even more interesting stuff.

 

They beat the PC, humiliate them, make them do things, pierce them, make their piercings vibrate. So much stuff you can do with it if anyone hasn't tried that yet. I don't know if you could incorporate some of that code towards the ToH characters themselves (with permission). If not it goes well with ToH for example making Bruiser or Real Dragonborn or whoever into your follower and then activating the quest.

 

In Lola there is also something where the piercings will vibrate after you absorb a dragons soul and if you're wearing restrictive devices you are freed so you can fight the dragon which i think goes well with ToH

 

Another one is Devious training and heat rise. Training affects the character's body and if the PC is wearing devious stuff for a long time it warps and shapes the PC's body. Deforms it in various ways. Again i don't know if you could incorporate some of that code into the events of ToH (with permission) but just using it alongside with ToH it works well.

 

Heat rise is basically increasing your resistances through a quest where the PC is put into a chastity belt with plugs and the PC gets "trained" by the plugs to resist heat, shock, ice as they vibrate and torture the PC

 

If anyone wants to try these mods alongside ToH they work well. I don't know if DSHV is interested in doing something similar into ToH itself but its just an idea. Regardless if people haven't tried those mods they should give them a try with the ToH characters as your followers

[Lupine00]

1 hour ago, Ds4nch3z said:

I've been trying a couple of mods that go well with ToH

I used DF with Bruiser, and he fit quite well.

The constant demands for money are perfectly reasonable for him.

The only problem is that the Devious Follower speaks too kindly too you. Bruiser does not sound like that.

I had no other issues with DF and ToH, they went well together.

 

I should imagine Submissive Lola is similar, but the SubLola follower is even more polite to you most of the time; again, needs an alternate dialog set fit perfectly.

One thing with DF, is that once your resistance is low, the follower is more aggressive in their speech, and so it feels better at that point.

 

Possibly, a better alternative than Devious Training is Devious Body Alteration - it's less script load and I find it a lot more reliable. I never had DBA do anything strange or buggy that wasn't easily overcome, while Devious Training was a constant cause of trouble for me.

 

SexLab Survival is another obvious add-on, which makes so many characters abusive to you.

 

One issue with Devious mods is that ToH does not support DD, but adds Zap items that you can simply remove, and which look dated. Most were made many years ago and the meshes haven't been updated in forever. Often the Bodyslides for them are ... not great.

 

It's probably a good thing in some ways, as Bruiser has no mechanics to remove devices.

And we know, many ToH users have an extreme hate for DD, or even just a mild dislike, but they still don't want to install or use it.

 

However, it makes ToH somewhat incompatible with DD items, because ToH is oblivious to them.

I did mean to write up how to solve that issue without making DD a dependency, but then ... things ... but it is not too hard.

[Ds4nch3z]

38 minutes ago, Lupine00 said:

I used DF with Bruiser, and he fit quite well.

The constant demands for money are perfectly reasonable for him.

The only problem is that the Devious Follower speaks too kindly too you. Bruiser does not sound like that.

I had no other issues with DF and ToH, they went well together.

 

I should imagine Submissive Lola is similar, but the SubLola follower is even more polite to you most of the time; again, needs an alternate dialog set fit perfectly.

One thing with DF, is that once your resistance is low, the follower is more aggressive in their speech, and so it feels better at that point.

 

Possibly, a better alternative than Devious Training is Devious Body Alteration - it's less script load and I find it a lot more reliable. I never had DBA do anything strange or buggy that wasn't easily overcome, while Devious Training was a constant cause of trouble for me.

 

SexLab Survival is another obvious add-on, which makes so many characters abusive to you.

 

I haven't tried devious body alteration i might have to try that one out sounds interesting

 

and yeah both DF and Survival work great with ToH as well although i recommend giving Lola a try. It just seems to blend in really well with the premise of ToH. One can always tweak the dialogues with Sseedit if needed

 

I do like that the more submissive/ less will power the PC has for DF and Lola the worse the events get which fits right in with ToH

[Lupine00]

6 minutes ago, Ds4nch3z said:

i recommend giving Lola a try

I last used Lola a long time ago, before the Esturk changes, and the latest version has more, plus also a patch that adds stricter scenes.

I'd like to try it again.

But... I don't really have time. I'm always testing DF when I play, and DF+Lola seems a bit excessive/contradictory.

Maybe I'll try and find time to give it a bit of a run through, and see if there are any good ideas to steal. ?? ? ?

[lPalpatinel]

Hello,i need help,on the quest breaking chains,how obtain the way to speak safe ?

[onionlover76]

About the Oldest Profession quest, I talked to the Ancient Whore and click everything including the teaching old technique etc. but was unable to proceed with the quest and stucked. My character is male btw if that is important.

 

Anyone knows how to bypass this, or has questID & stages? Much appreciated.

[Svettlana]

Thanks again for the great mod. There are several desires for the addition, like many who write)) 1. A couple of offensive sexist ... dragons !!! It would be epic. Desirable in the plot. Dream straight. And so that zoo sex content for those who wish does not contradict. Well ... we'll play it ourselves, just hints at least. 2. By the way, about this zoo content. I don't use any potions of agony at all. Could you make creature pheromone potions? Such a mod seems to exist, but there are potions from pheromones, but you need them for them. According to "rumors" ... they can attract a surprise attack "from the bushes." Or the heroine was smeared with "oil", which is difficult to remove, and now trips to the forest are dangerous. 3. I dream of connecting a kidnapping mod (or an alternative to fashion to be made by the author) into quests, but to do it without stealing things, as if anyone wants to take her into sex. use: Thalmor, soldiers and others. Free evenings ... where she has to pay tribute there also 1000 septims. 4. Remote communication cube of the Serpent, otherwise you can't see it. Let him seem to be with the heroine all the time and can see what she is doing or not doing and from time to time he says something to her, maybe even during the main plot of the game. Random mini-quests in real time from him in the capital cities. Sex. servicing a specific NPC, to all Argonians or Orcs ... Or there is an insult to merchants, after which it will be necessary to make amends.

[unshatter]

I liked this mod (although I haven't played most of the quests) when I was playing Skyrim LE, but I'm starting to mod SE and I'd like to play this again. I'm not sure about this mod's incompatibilities with other mods.

 

I won't ask for a list of mods that are incompatible with this mod because a lot of the time it is almost impossible to find them all.

 

Would it be possible to give a list of things that could cause incompatibilities (at least the major ones)? Like I saw in the "possible problems" section that it will unequip the body slot 32, are there other things like this or is this the only possible cause of incompatibility?

[MicroWazzle]

Any plans to make content for the dark brotherhood?

[DuskGuard]

3 hours ago, unshatter said:

I liked this mod (although I haven't played most of the quests) when I was playing Skyrim LE, but I'm starting to mod SE and I'd like to play this again. I'm not sure about this mod's incompatibilities with other mods.

 

I won't ask for a list of mods that are incompatible with this mod because a lot of the time it is almost impossible to find them all.

 

Would it be possible to give a list of things that could cause incompatibilities (at least the major ones)? Like I saw in the "possible problems" section that it will unequip the body slot 32, are there other things like this or is this the only possible cause of incompatibility?

The only issue I had was HDT hair. The Doppelganger is incompatible  with that.