AAF HARDSHIP - beggar- whore -

[Teddar]

1 hour ago, Tentacus said:

I also realized that people not having lesbian animations showing up could also be related to UAP. When you install UAP, even if using Indarello, do not install the XML for Rufgt's old animations if you want cunnilingus to work in Hardship. If you already did and are not using Mod Organizer you'll need to reinstall Rufgt's old animations to get the original XMLs back. 

 

I'll add this info to the install guide.

Howdy. This is a screen shot of what my AAF reports when FF animations attempt to play. Does this fit in with what youre sayin there chief? 

[nominall]

On 5/30/2020 at 7:00 PM, Tentacus said:

Is this on a save that hardship on it before? Maybe I was wrong and you do need a new save. I don't know what to tell you, it works for me.  

 

Which install method did you use? One Patch or Indarello? Can you bind MCM Hotkeys in other mods? Did you install F4SE directly in your real Data f?‍♀️older or through MO2 or Vortex?

Thanks for the tech support. Its much appreciated, you rock. 

 

I can install the old version of Hardship. And it seems to run fine, dialogue menu shows the right stuff. Two things:

When whoring out the character the other npc will go somewhere more private and then when we get there nothing seems to happen. This could be a problem with named npc's maybe?

The other is that watching your intro video in motherless there is an item in the inventory from the mod:

https://motherless.com/1B7BA9A

0:11 seconds, in apparel. 

 

That does not show up. 

 

When I install the newest version it says beggar_whore.esp is not available. In game it shows up in MCM but dialogue doesn't show up and I cant bind hotkeys or click 'get menu item' 

 

I think I am somehow missing a mod. What mods are needed in the new version but not the old?

 

edit: labeled wrong .esp in my description

[Teddar]

Something is doing more than that for me. As far as what BH uses, i only have Leito and RufGT and nothing is playing for females. AAF is reporting that no FF animations are installed. Looks like i'm going to have to strip everything out and start a new save to see if i can get FF to work at all (i'll see if sex em up works for that purpose). Then i'll try BH again without any of the gay options as i dont use them anyway. I'll report back if i can fix it. 

[Tentacus]

34 minutes ago, Teddar said:

Howdy. This is a screen shot of what my AAF reports when FF animations attempt to play. Does this fit in with what youre sayin there chief? 

You can ignore those "bla bla length is too short" errors. A LOT of existing AAF animations will get those.

 

No what I am talking about is if you install UAP it has an option for gay male versions of the old Rufgt animations. Like One Patch it will install a blank version of the old XML that came with the original animation pack (This is so you don't have multiple different versions of the same animation) Unfortunately Rufgts old animations has never been supported by One Patch, Themes, or Indarello so this removes it from it's original usage completely. 

 

 

This actually doesn't affect Hardship that much as most of my calls for cunnilingus use the custom XMLs from the installer, but I think there might be one or 2 places in the Follower script where I call the vanilla positions. I'll look into changing that. In any case, This won't be an issue as far as Hardship is concerened in version 2.0 because I will be changing all the cunnilingus anims over to BP70 and Atomic Lust.

 

So like I said just don't install that option in UAP. And only install UAP at all if you are doing just gay sex, or are using Indarello for gay and straight both. If you are using just one patch or polistro it will block a bunch of positions for newer packs.

[Tentacus]

I am only gonna provide support for the new version. In general though you should have had that object on install. It is necessary to set up your character. You should ideally install Hardship on a save that is already out of the vault or at least out of the prewar segment.

 

8 minutes ago, nominall said:

 

When I install the newest version it says hardship.esp is not available. In game it shows up in MCM but dialogue doesn't show up and I cant bind hotkeys or click 'get menu item' 

 

"What" says Hardship.esp is not available? Hardship.esp IS the mod so.... Nothing from the mod could "say" anything to you if it wasn't available. uh... no idea what this could mean.

 

8 minutes ago, nominall said:

I think I am somehow missing a mod. What mods are needed in the new version but not the old?

Like I said I am only supporting the new version. That said the requirements haven't changed except for the load order which is covered in Section C of the install guide.

 

I suggest you reinstall Hardship and the requirements, read the guide closely and Install after the prewar section.

[nominall]

2 hours ago, Tentacus said:

I am only gonna provide support for the new version. In general though you should have had that object on install. It is necessary to set up your character. You should ideally install Hardship on a save that is already out of the vault or at least out of the prewar segment.

 

 

"What" says Hardship.esp is not available? Hardship.esp IS the mod so.... Nothing from the mod could "say" anything to you if it wasn't available. uh... no idea what this could mean.

 

Like I said I am only supporting the new version. That said the requirements haven't changed except for the load order which is covered in Section C of the install guide.

 

I suggest you reinstall Hardship and the requirements, read the guide closely and Install after the prewar section.

I messed up the .esp name and fixed it above but I think you probably started writing this response before the edit. beggar_whore.esp

 

I'll give reinstalling a go. I'll probably try a new save, might as well throw the kitchen sink at it

[Tentacus]

17 minutes ago, Teddar said:

Something is doing more than that for me. As far as what BH uses, i only have Leito and RufGT and nothing is playing for females. AAF is reporting that no FF animations are installed. Looks like i'm going to have to strip everything out and start a new save to see if i can get FF to work at all (i'll see if sex em up works for that purpose). Then i'll try BH again without any of the gay options as i dont use them anyway. I'll report back if i can fix it. 

Definitely test the FF with The AAF browser too. That'll help narrow down if it's a script issue or a general XML issue.

[Tentacus]

4 minutes ago, nominall said:

I messed up the .esp name and fixed it above but I think you probably started writing this response before the edit. beggar_whore.esp

 

I'll give reinstalling a go. I'll probably try a new save, might as well throw the kitchen sink at it

Yeah well even I made the mistake in my reply but I knew what you meant. The point is I don't know what could be telling you that as you need the esp to tell you anything... Unless you just mean you loaded an old save and it said the esp wasn't there   In which case something is quite wrong with the file you installed or you unchecked Beggar_Whore.esp somehow.

[Tentacus]

I'm gonna experiment and see if moving packs like BP70 lower than UAP in my left pane load order doesn't fix the problem and still let you have @Ulfbearth's gay XMLs. In the case of packs like BP70 I can't see why the dummy XMLs are necessary in the first place, For Leito it makes sense because Polistro had gay versions of the Leito positions.

 

Ahhhh but that would break manly moans... shit.

 

Hey @Ulfbearth, Would it be possible to add an option NOT to include the dummy XMLs for all the packs that don't contain any MM positions? Basically eveything but Leito (and maybe AJ). That way people who want both gay and straight sex, but don't want to use Indarello would be able to use UAP.

[nominall]

3 hours ago, Tentacus said:

Yeah well even I made the mistake in my reply but I knew what you meant. The point is I don't know what could be telling you that as you need the esp to tell you anything... Unless you just mean you loaded an old save and it said the esp wasn't there   In which case something is quite wrong with the file you installed or you unchecked Beggar_Whore.esp somehow.

Got it working

[Ulfberto]

27 minutes ago, Tentacus said:

I'm gonna experiment and see if moving packs like BP70 lower than UAP in my left pane load order doesn't fix the problem and still let you have @Ulfbearth's gay XMLs. In the case of packs like BP70 I can't see why the dummy XMLs are necessary in the first place, For Leito it makes sense because Polistro had gay versions of the Leito positions.

 

Ahhhh but that would break manly moans... shit.

 

Hey @Ulfbearth, Would it be possible to add an option NOT to include the dummy XMLs for all the packs that don't contain any MM positions? Basically eveything but Leito (and maybe AJ). That way people who want both gay and straight sex, but don't want to use Indarello would be able to use UAP.

Im afraid not, some xmls dont seem to work by themselves so i had to replace them with empty files to assure no errors/incompatibilities.
+ the point of UAP is for people who want gay animations only, so its also a good way to force one to not have straight/lesbian animations in anyway. While some mods have gender filtering/sexual orientation some dont.

I see you are trying to recommend people to use the empty sound files tho, you should include those in your mod then. There are many sound files but they are all like 0-1kb (almost weightless / corrupted) so they are not read by the game.

[Ulfberto]

on a second thought it may be worth though... i need to think about it a bit more.

 

[Tentacus]

24 minutes ago, Ulfbearth said:

on a second thought it may be worth though... i need to think about it a bit more.

 

Ok, just keep us posted.  If not , it does work well alongside Indarello as it is since he also uses the basic One Patch style format.

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I see you are trying to recommend people to use the empty sound files tho, you should include those in your mod then. There are many sound files but they are all like 0-1kb (almost weightless / corrupted) so they are not read by the game.

Sure if you don't mind. It'd be easy enough to add as an option.  Dunno why I didn't think of it. Guess I just figured there was no harm recommending your mod, hadn't yet realized there could be this kind of issue.

[Ulfberto]

13 minutes ago, Tentacus said:

Ok, just keep us posted.  If not , it does work well alongside Indarello as it is since he also uses the basic One Patch style format.

Sure if you don't mind. It'd be easy enough to add as an option.  Dunno why I didn't think of it. Guess I just figured there was no harm recommending your mod, hadn't yet realized there could be this kind of issue.

oh i dont really mind, its not like i have any ownership over them ?
Anyone can corrupt some sounds file just the same.

But yeah, in general animators shouldnt bake sound files to their animations. Well, except sound effects, but for voices it would be better to use AAF topics for that to make it more flexible/optional.

[Tentacus]

8 minutes ago, Ulfbearth said:

But yeah, in general animators shouldnt bake sound files to their animations. Well, except sound effects, but for voices it would be better to use AAF topics for that to make it more flexible/optional.

*sigh* Yeah man... I couldn't agree more, but nobody was really planning ahead. It's just an unavoidable side effect of the way Fallout 4 sex modding slowly lurched into existance. Just a couple of years ago it was doubtful there would even BE a significant sex modding scene. I really appreciate everything everyone has done to get us where we are, now, it's just a shame that more of the experience from the Sexlab world didn't translate over.

 

[fred200]

To UAP or to not UAP...

I think I will give this a week or so before I try again to get the AAF side of things working.

Part of me is glad you get to see what the rest of us go through, trying to make AAF happy.

Misery loves company.

[Tentacus]

Update:

 

Okay, I am deep into testing tag combinations now. I'll try to get it to a place in a few days where all the tags do exactly what they are supposed to... as well as checking on some of the issues people are having, and then I'll release one last update (1.5.9a). 

 

It is a constant struggle to fight the urge to try to perfect this which is really fucking stupid as I should be saving that effort for Hardship Final which I really need to get back to working on... That said I don't want to leave people with an inferior version in the interim. 

[magehunter12]

Amazing mod really, as someone who pestered you in the past for solutions to animations not playing, i can confirm everything works like a butter now. This will be a milestone in adult modding to be honest. My every playtrough will contain this amazing mod. Thank you really!

 

I am also curious that if you have any major projects planned to do in future? What can we expect from you?

[Tentacus]

19 minutes ago, magehunter12 said:

Amazing mod really, as someone who pestered you in the past for solutions to animations not playing, i can confirm everything works like a butter now. This will be a milestone in adult modding to be honest. My every playtrough will contain this amazing mod. Thank you really!

 

I am also curious that if you have any major projects planned to do in future? What can we expect from you?

After I finish Hardship final, which will add a few major features, I'll probably go back to working on Hospitality, especially since MXR just really effectively made fun of it  

 

 

Just FYI all the cribs and shit are not from my mod ? My goal is to have all the scenarios be somewhat different, but in general revolve around asking permission to stay places that aren't inns.

[Malphias]

Uh...my game is functional...for the most part. So I sure as hell don't want to start pulling my hair out with AAF shit all over again. I understand there is a new Hardship but something has changed with install? From these posts I read UAF is an issue depended on load order. I have it, plus every damn thing under the sun and my game works. So...don't want to fuck with it. But, man, I was really looking forward to a version of Hardship where I can turn it on and off myself and not have something in game turn it on (Real Handcuffs) when I don't want it on.

 

This shit is like a house of cards...one wrong move, and the whole fucking thing collapses and you start over...I've started over enough times.

 

[Ulfberto]

Hey @Tentacus, while i was working on the new SC version i took the opportunity to remove the dummy xmls for it.

Turns out i didnt get any errors. I may do the same for other animation packs but its gonna take a while because there are still few projects that have to be done.

[Teddar]

On 5/31/2020 at 5:43 PM, Tentacus said:

This business of individual animations balking sounds like an AAF issue to me. I've noticed with the newest build that there is more situations where the animation actors become deysynched, it has nothing to do with Hardship.

Ok. So i removed my AAF installation entirely and re-installed everything with One patch and Indareello then started a new game. I dont make use of MM content so i didn't need UAP. I checked out the Indarello instructions and used the animation pack versions mentioned there, so not the latest version of Savage cabbage i think?  Then i followed your guide and everything is working again including the FF animations i was having problems with. Phew!  Whilst i was at all that, i noticed that sometimes AAF looks like its bugging out slightly. There's a box that appears as the animations concluded that says "Position unjoining" and that seems to get stuck on my screen. It doesn't look like its supposed to be there to me but i'm no AAF expert and it doesn't seem to be hardship related. 

[Tentacus]

29 minutes ago, Ulfbearth said:

Hey @Tentacus, while i was working on the new SC version i took the opportunity to remove the dummy xmls for it.

Turns out i didnt get any errors. I may do the same for other animation packs but its gonna take a while because there are still few projects that have to be done.

Cool. I think you can probably do it for all of them except Leitos, and the AJ positions  (Polistros patch used the same XML name as Leito did and IIRC it did have MM animations in it). 

 

35 minutes ago, Malphias said:

Uh...my game is functional...for the most part. So I sure as hell don't want to start pulling my hair out with AAF shit all over again. I understand there is a new Hardship but something has changed with install? From these posts I read UAF is an issue depended on load order. I have it, plus every damn thing under the sun and my game works. So...don't want to fuck with it. But, man, I was really looking forward to a version of Hardship where I can turn it on and off myself and not have something in game turn it on (Real Handcuffs) when I don't want it on.

 

This shit is like a house of cards...one wrong move, and the whole fucking thing collapses and you start over...I've started over enough times.

 

As my old friend Shane Gooseman used to say, No guts, no glory.  

 

I always suggest anyone back up their whole data folder/MO2 mods folder... or.... whatever Vortex uses... folder before an upgrade... and just in general. The new instructions are mostly for beginners and because I have made it practical for a just One Patch install by adding a tagData XML that adds tags to One Patch's Leito staged positions. and also to help people with Indarello installation (If they choose it) which can be daunting. I suggest looking over the guide, but if you have a working Hardship install, chances are you can install this no problem even if you are using Polistro's patches. 

 

UAP isn't an issue if you are using Just UAP, Or UAP + Indarello. This is all covered in the guide.

 

29 minutes ago, Teddar said:

Ok. So i removed my AAF installation entirely and re-installed everything with One patch and Indareello then started a new game. I dont make use of MM content so i didn't need UAP. I checked out the Indarello instructions and used the animation pack versions mentioned there, so not the latest version of Savage cabbage i think?  

Yeah, Indarello hasn't updated for SC 1.2 yet. I updated my instructions to reflect that a few days ago when i found out. Glad to hear everything is working now.

 

[sexgoatnine]

really enjoying the mod so far.

Could there be an option for a rape or coercion event from begging? something like people getting sick of being asked for change and assault the player or alternatively giving into prostitution because the player is so desperate?
I'd like to rp someone who's desperate.

[izzyknows]

1 hour ago, sexgoatnine said:

really enjoying the mod so far.

Could there be an option for a rape or coercion event from begging? something like people getting sick of being asked for change and assault the player or alternatively giving into prostitution because the player is so desperate?
I'd like to rp someone who's desperate.

Just keep begging.