Sexlab Survival

[Monoman1]

9 hours ago, ck2modfan said:

i don't have any mods that change inn prices (at least not intentionally). trying to use SLS for inn price changes. using immersive wenches and room charge is always 10 gold. 

 

i looked at xedit and don't see where prices are being overriden. not sure where to look... can someone point me in the right direction? thanks!

Copy global RoomCost into SLS as an override and unflag it as a constant.

8 hours ago, yeetwawawa said:

seems like dialogue with kennel keeper about troll doesn't work correctly for me. i've passed the check (cum addiction) and the keeper just keeps telling me 'bout "it really works, as long as you keep them..." . am i doing something wrong?

Must have spent at least one night in the kennel. 

[Lupine00]

During sex, my character keeps raging on and on "Enough of this!" ... "I'll kill you!" ... pretty much those same two phrases, over and over, also some loud angry grunts.

 

This is happening during STA sex, with spanking, where the PC is begging for more, and ... and in every single sex scene really.

 

She is even doing it while masturbating!

 

She really doesn't say anything else, unless using the "speak" key, in which case she will say STA lines like, "I'm a filthy whore." "More please." etc.

 

Any idea what mod is producing these barks?

It can't be SLS or STA, right? Because surely they wouldn't occur during a scene where the PC can speak, and is begging for more?

Or during a masturbation, even if the mod that started the scene set the victim flag (which was probably SD+).

 

I though Sexist Guards, but I couldn't find an option for it.

[Monoman1]

17 minutes ago, Lupine00 said:

During sex, my character keeps raging on and on "Enough of this!" ... "I'll kill you!"

Probably STA. Someone else reported similar. 

It's probably the invisible dummy squawking vanilla combat shite. Unfortunately it's very difficult to make an npc friendly to all factions it seems. 

What faction is attacking your character?

 

Try turning always use dummy off but I can't remember if that actually disables the dummy. There may be reasons it's always spawned. Can't remember. 

[Lupine00]

31 minutes ago, Monoman1 said:

What faction is attacking your character?

Nobody that I can see. There's no fight going on. But it does sound a lot like combat barks now you mention it ...

 

For example, in the masturbation, it's hard to find a candidate attacker.

 

In other situations, there would be a sex partner, such as Lydia, people in the temple of Kynareth, and NPCs in Misty Gove generally.

 

My "rape" mod is SD+ and sex began initially with the Flowering Spriggan quest, which has a lot of people having sex but I'm not sure if they are strictly rapes.

After that, regular visits to Misty Grove.

SD+ does have faction oddities though, in that SD+ likes to make everyone your friend.

 

But I don't get these noises except during sex, so maybe the problem is that SD+ has made the PC an enemy of the dummy somehow?

I don't know how a dummy can get into combat, or who it would be fighting, but it's very loud.

Maybe you can give it a combat style that consists of "cower silently in place"?

 

 

On another topic, I'm using KuNeruNomu ... SLS support is possibly broken for it.

Despite sleeping lots, with no penalties, sleep value is plummeting into massive exhaustion on random sleeps, and has to be reset regularly.

 

KuNeruNomu is, itself, full of problems too. I know some people love to see you eating a complete wheel of cheese, but other mods will let you SLICE the cheese without a cooking pot.

It uses so many animations it's basically grabbed most of my animation allowance, and it doesn't consider apples or tomatos to give any meaningful food value at all.

And then you have a fight and you're starving. You can turn that off, but it's a "feature" right, so why would you?

Also the English translation ... isn't ... so figuring out how to adjust the settings is mostly trial, error, and solving a cryptic crossword puzzle.

One thing it gets right is the maintenance menu, which makes repairing crazy values easy.

Come back RND, all is forgiven!

Next game, KuNeruNomu is out and RND is back in, even though I have to hand patch dozens of foods and drinks for it.

Or maybe I'll dare trifle with Minineeds again ... Bloatyneeds more like ... all those buffs and debuffs, it's almost half an SLD ... but at least you can indulge your pee fetish if you're into that sort of thing. Just needs a prostitution mod where people will pay to watch.

[Monoman1]

10 minutes ago, Lupine00 said:

But I don't get these noises except during sex, so maybe the problem is that SD+ has made the PC an enemy of the dummy somehow?

Hmm. Never thought of that. Dunno how I'd fix it though. 

14 minutes ago, Lupine00 said:

On another topic, I'm using KuNeruNomu ... SLS support is possibly broken for it.

Don't think I actually wrote the interfacing with KNM. Someone submitted it. Never used KNM myself. 

[ck2modfan]

Been playing around with factors to keep cum addiction high. Took an enemy poison spit attack spell and added _SLS_PotionCumXXXMgef. When hit by the attack, the PC goes into drink anim. 

 

Is there a direct MGEF to apply cum potion effect without the animation? I also use the excellent Cum Overlay mod. Would applying any of the Covered in Cum effects give the same desired effect?

 

Thank you!

[43deadwood]

11 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

And thus you can just set the global from the console if that's all you want.

If you want more complicated results, Realistic Room Rental is the way to go (and then merge conflicts ahoy).

 

The problem with RRR is it couldn't just change some inn prices ... instead it makes widescale edits to inn cells that conflict with just about everything else that touches an inn, such as lighting mods. And while there is an ELFX patch, it's not great and doesn't cover the ELFX variants like enhancer or hardcore.

 

The edits will probably also drive you crazy if you're trying to use Radiant Prostitution, because some of the beds you can use are in unexpected places. Plus, lamps and things from lighting mods end up in the way of doorways.

RRR basic changes only the room prices, makes no edits to any cells

[Lupine00]

44 minutes ago, 43deadwood said:

RRR basic changes only the room prices, makes no edits to any cells

Wow, I had forgotten that even existed.

Long ago I wanted the "long term booking" feature, and installed the Enhanced version, and had completely forgotten then was a basic version that just does basic things.

I need to remember it for my next game.

[Corsayr]

3 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

Wow, I had forgotten that even existed.

Long ago I wanted the "long term booking" feature, and installed the Enhanced version, and had completely forgotten then was a basic version that just does basic things.

I need to remember it for my next game.

 

Devious Followers also changes room prices by changing the global directly. So you wouldn't need RRR just go into DF and change the global to whatever you want. 

[KLongad Sirtup]

@Monoman1 Currently the willpower based feature for the sex tolls isn't working, possibly due to an issue on the mod interface for "Devious Folllowers - Continued". Is it possible for it to be fixed please? Currently it display's a series of what possibly likely are error messages when, performing a interface reset (restart) with version 2.12.2 or above installed.

[Lupine00]

5 hours ago, KLongad Sirtup said:

Currently the willpower based feature for the sex tolls isn't working

What is this feature supposed to do?

 

In what specific way is it not working?

 

DF already reduces resistance based on sex with the victim flag set - which is why it's so troublesome when mods set it inappropriately on consensual sex.

However, toll sex should be consensual, so DF would not modify resistance itself and if you want to lose resistance from it, then that would need to be handled by SLS.

 

Other SLS resistance modification seems to be working for me, so I'm not sure why it wouldn't work, if that's what it's doing.

 

Losing resistance to drugs and tattoos seems more important.

Whether you lose it to consensual sex? If you have high arousal when you start I'm not sure you should.

[Corsayr]

35 minutes ago, Lupine00 said:

However, toll sex should be consensual

I believe SLS MCM lets you set this as consensual or non-consensual giving the user the choice.

 

Some people (Like me) would call coerced sex non-consensual as it is similar to your boss telling you to give him a blow job or your fired. 

[Lupine00]

8 hours ago, Corsayr said:

Some people (Like me) would call coerced sex non-consensual as it is similar to your boss telling you to give him a blow job or your fired. 

If it were the real world, I'd agree such a situation would not be ethically consensual.

 

But... in this crazy Skyrim game scenario, sex is one choice amongst other options, such as "don't leave town", "pay to leave town", "sneak out of town", "take drugs", "get tattoos", and "leave town in bondage, because putting restraints on women who want to travel totally makes sense if you're complaining about how women are in danger outside the gates". Consensual in this situation means more like, "not violently raped and brutalized".

 

There is a qualitative difference. In one situation you are punched to the ground, stripped, then hate-fucked, maybe while being strangled. In the other, you're actively participating, even if you would rather not do that, and some questionable pressure was applied to get you to play along. The victim flag is helpful to determine when a sex act is "forced" rather than reluctant, because that's an obvious pivot point for applying damage or trauma.

 

 

I don't mean to devalue the mental aspect of real world rape trauma, but from the debuffs commonly applied for rapes in Skyrim, the implication is that they're overall more tied to the physical aspect than the mental. SexLab never delivered that level of nuance, and so I admit the situation is ambiguous, but mental effects could reasonably be applied whether the flag is set or not, if we're aware of a reliably coercive context.

 

 

There are situations where the PC is actively participating in the toll payment scene - e.g. to feed their cum addition - in which case it's hard to argue it's coerced at all. We can't reason about the realistic rules for cum addictions, as they are completely fantastical. I suppose there are people in real life who have convinced themselves they have a cum addiction, but they are not physiologically addicted.

 

In terms of the results in Skyrim, there are mods that will apply serious and debilitating trauma to the PC if they are victim flagged - and it devalues that trauma to apply it in situations where the circumstances aren't the brutal defeat rape it was intended for.

 

 

That's really what the flag is for, defeat rapes and physically forced slave rapes. And if it gets set all the time, we lose the ability to distinguish them when simply processing a mod event. You can disagree, but then you're just making it really hard to write a whole class of mods. That's why I rattle on about this all the time.

 

 

But to address the actual point. I'm trying to find out in what way the feature is not working.

Establishing the player's configuration settings for resistance loss is relevant, and my aside on arousal is merely that, an aside.

 

The aside being to imply that its safer not to apply the flag than to apply it, unless woefully inappropriate animations are being selected. Even if you have the option to pick, and you turned it on, you might end up feeling it was inappropriate for certain occurences.

[ttpt]

On 1/21/2021 at 3:57 AM, Lupine00 said:

During sex, my character keeps raging on and on "Enough of this!" ... "I'll kill you!" ... pretty much those same two phrases, over and over, also some loud angry grunts.

 

This is happening during STA sex, with spanking, where the PC is begging for more, and ... and in every single sex scene really.

 

She is even doing it while masturbating!

 

She really doesn't say anything else, unless using the "speak" key, in which case she will say STA lines like, "I'm a filthy whore." "More please." etc.

 

Any idea what mod is producing these barks?

It can't be SLS or STA, right? Because surely they wouldn't occur during a scene where the PC can speak, and is begging for more?

Or during a masturbation, even if the mod that started the scene set the victim flag (which was probably SD+).

 

I though Sexist Guards, but I couldn't find an option for it.

 

 

Could also be Sexist Guards, that one also has dialogue for sex

[Lupine00]

1 hour ago, ttpt said:

Could also be Sexist Guards, that one also has dialogue for sex

As I said at the bottom of my post there, I couldn't find any option to disable sex dialog in Sexist Guards. Am I just being blind? Is there one? I don't know.

 

I turned off the option I could find on day one: "Player Rape Dialogue" but I don't think that produced grunts and curses anyway.

 

Another situation that causes the annoying noises and yells is being milked.

 

While in the milker, the PC will yell "Kill you!" "Enough of this!" "You'll pay for this!" rather repetitively.

 

I've turned of dialogues in STA completely (changed from Butchered to Off) also set the during sex idle comment chance to 0% and turned off always use dummy.

 

I wondered if Sex Worker's Life was somehow to blame, but it has no options for dialogs.

Another possible, "Slaverun Reloaded" but I'm sure Monoman would have noticed if it did that.

 

 

Maybe there's a good spot to go in the code and comment out a call or two that might clarify whether it's STA or SLS that's to blame?

[PenPen]

hi due to some save bugs I had to use recycleactor on my character, now cum addiction doesn't work. Is there a way to restore or do I need to reinstall the mod? 

[HexBolt8]

1 hour ago, PenPen said:

hi due to some save bugs I had to use recycleactor on my character, now cum addiction doesn't work. Is there a way to restore or do I need to reinstall the mod? 

 

RecycleActor is a very bad thing to do to your character.  Among other things, it strips away all spell effects except racials, so you lose Standing Stone buffs, Agent of Mara/Dibella buffs, and various spell effects placed on you by mods (some of which might be hidden).  Possibly that's the problem here.  Regardless, seriously consider going back to before you did RecycleActor and try to find a better way to resolve the bugs you had.

[KLongad Sirtup]

@Lupine00 @Monoman1 I'm referring to the part of Sexlab Survival where your amount of willpower (Devious Followers - Continued statistic) determines the type of sex used (constentual or non-consentual). As your willpower changes so does the likely of the type of sex used on you, when it is high you get one kind when it low you get the other kind. Then the exact likely hood is

[NoppaiKohai]

MM1 / Corsayr, any plans for more gold theft based "features"?  It doesn't seem like you get robbed as much as you'd expect when you are strolling around blindfolded, handcuffed, and naked, while carrying 15,000 gold in your built in natural pocket 

[theanarchistotaku]

Having a slight issue devious follower isn't being counted as escort(I'm using eff) and thus puts me into an infinite loop of trying to complete the golden claw quest

[Lupine00]

I encountered a problem with automated SLSO sex in SLS.

 

SLS popped up (for the first time ever) that my character was compromised and it would bash the sex keys for me.

Which was fine.

 

At the end of sex, I was being spammed by BiS status messages.

It appears that SLS is continuing to "press" that key. Even if I quit and reload.

If I try to define a key binding now, I immediately get a warning telling me it's also used for Frostfall, even though I didn't press anything.

BiS continues to spam status messages, despite now being disabled.

 

I looked at BiS and the only reason it spams that status is because of an OnKeyDown.

Fortunately, the key it's constantly pressing isn't anything completely fatal to the game.

 

Save cleaning SLS would be highly damaging to my game, so I guess I'm left with reverting to an older save, or possibly modifying the SLS source so it doesn't bind this key, or press it for sex, then disable the auto-sexing feature in-game?

 

 

 

Also, with the constant annoying speech during sex, I found that NPCs also do it.

Slaverun Slaves are raging on about how they'll kill people, enough of this, etc.

[Buridan]

On 1/21/2021 at 4:57 PM, Lupine00 said:

During sex, my character keeps raging on and on "Enough of this!" ... "I'll kill you!" ... pretty much those same two phrases, over and over, also some loud angry grunts.

 

This is happening during STA sex, with spanking, where the PC is begging for more, and ... and in every single sex scene really.

 

She is even doing it while masturbating!

 

She really doesn't say anything else, unless using the "speak" key, in which case she will say STA lines like, "I'm a filthy whore." "More please." etc.

 

Any idea what mod is producing these barks?

It can't be SLS or STA, right? Because surely they wouldn't occur during a scene where the PC can speak, and is begging for more?

Or during a masturbation, even if the mod that started the scene set the victim flag (which was probably SD+).

 

I though Sexist Guards, but I couldn't find an option for it.

 

For me what worked was going into the Voices and SFX tab in SexLab's MCM and unchecking everything that wasn't vanilla (mine had a lot of options named after vanilla voice sets - MaleNord, FemaleEvenToned and the like), so that only the default SexLab ones (Classic, Breathy, Young etc.) remain. I think it's from SexLab Vanilla Voices.

[Monoman1]

26 minutes ago, Lupine00 said:

I was being spammed by BiS status messages.

Papyrus bug. Update BiS tweak. 

https://www.loverslab.com/topic/158818-modder-psa-re-registerforkey/

 

27 minutes ago, Lupine00 said:

Also, with the constant annoying speech during sex, I found that NPCs also do it.

Slaverun Slaves are raging on about how they'll kill people, enough of this, etc.

 

On 1/22/2021 at 2:10 PM, Lupine00 said:

Another situation that causes the annoying noises and yells is being milked.

 

These two quotes make me less convinced it's STA. There's no milking dialogue in STA that I can remember. And I can't remember if the dummy applies only to the player or to Npcs and the player but I don't see why it would:

A) Apply outside of sex and 

B) Apply specifically to slaverun slaves. 

 

7 hours ago, theanarchistotaku said:

Having a slight issue devious follower isn't being counted as escort(I'm using eff) and thus puts me into an infinite loop of trying to complete the golden claw quest

I'd be willing to bet it's a highly custom follower that isn't using the vanilla follower system or EFF. 

 

21 hours ago, NoppaiKohai said:

MM1 / Corsayr, any plans for more gold theft based "features"?  It doesn't seem like you get robbed as much as you'd expect when you are strolling around blindfolded, handcuffed, and naked, while carrying 15,000 gold in your built in natural pocket 

Maybe some day. 

 

On 1/22/2021 at 9:18 PM, KLongad Sirtup said:

@Lupine00 @Monoman1 I'm referring to the part of Sexlab Survival where your amount of willpower (Devious Followers - Continued statistic) determines the type of sex used (constentual or non-consentual). As your willpower changes so does the likely of the type of sex used on you, when it is high you get one kind when it low you get the other kind. Then the exact likely hood is

I'll check it out sometime. 

 

On 1/22/2021 at 7:11 PM, PenPen said:

hi due to some save bugs I had to use recycleactor on my character, now cum addiction doesn't work. Is there a way to restore or do I need to reinstall the mod? 

What hexbolt said. 

[theanarchistotaku]

2 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

Papyrus bug. Update BiS tweak. 

https://www.loverslab.com/topic/158818-modder-psa-re-registerforkey/

 

 

These two quotes make me less convinced it's STA. There's no milking dialogue in STA that I can remember. And I can't remember if the dummy applies only to the player or to Npcs and the player but I don't see why it would:

A) Apply outside of sex and 

B) Apply specifically to slaverun slaves. 

 

I'd be willing to bet it's a highly custom follower that isn't using the vanilla follower system or EFF. 

 

Maybe some day. 

 

I'll check it out sometime. 

 

What hexbolt said. 

Its from interesting NPCs specifically gorr

 

nvm searched for interesting npc's on here and notice they are incompatible 

[Lupine00]

3 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

These two quotes make me less convinced it's STA. There's no milking dialogue in STA that I can remember. And I can't remember if the dummy applies only to the player or to Npcs and the player but I don't see why it would:

A) Apply outside of sex and 

B) Apply specifically to slaverun slaves. 

Really, who knows?

That's why I ask. There must be somebody else has this happening and thinks it's neat, who can tell me what mod is doing it.

Slaverun itself?

Sexworker's Life?

 

I think I'm going to have to cannibalize this game and start over just to track down what's causing it.

 

 

  

3 hours ago, Monoman1 said:

There's no milking dialogue in STA that I can remember.

No, but milking is also sex. Milk pumps are a fucking machine. You can orgasm.

I don't think they use SexLab, but perhaps they produce some of the same events for compatibility purposes with mods that are trying to detect if you're being fucked?