fishburger67 Posted February 5, 2021 Author Posted February 5, 2021 4 hours ago, getrekt14 said: can i get some get some help ? the ''lore friendly" option's animations dont work anymore with this new version is there a possible fix for that? Don't understand your question. There is no such thing as "lore friendly animations".
fishburger67 Posted February 5, 2021 Author Posted February 5, 2021 14 hours ago, Yokorose said: I have tryed this . i got 80ms all the time and tryed maybe saves still not working . Niri still stand there half way from the camp and vess does nothing when i walk around the camp. so not sure why its not working as i tryed even new chars and same issue. maybe it will randomly work if i play more. Your latency is good. That is almost exactly what mine is. It will not be your issue. Did you follow the quest markers and kill the bandits and disable Vess and heal her and all that? Did you bring a follower with you (check the MCM to be sure,) What stage do you get if you type sqv AQSS_MiaVessInter in the console.
fishburger67 Posted February 5, 2021 Author Posted February 5, 2021 15 hours ago, Crota said: I just started the part with Andrew where you go to the old Hrodlan inn and do the stuff. As soon as we started drinking a collar of ownership was put around my neck with no explanation. Was this suppose to happen at this time? What is your script latency with Elephants script latency checker? That is a scripted scene that should progress on its own until you wake up.
zigster999 Posted February 6, 2021 Posted February 6, 2021 Hello. Back again with more questions. My male character has been playing the Flowergirls version with Jenn, Sasha, a sex-slaved Celestine, and Linda for a couple of in-game weeks now. I'm still not getting any radiant quests at all, not even the first one (buttplug) from Jenn. I've checked everything written on the troubleshooting page. I have faction with J&S (only 0 but it is there), the quests are all set at 0, I've been in and out of Breezehome and have tried the Breezehome cheat command to start the quests, Andrew is not marked as dominant, but still nothing. I have completed the lodge quest but was not able to complete the Andrew's Playroom quest. My followers blocked me in the playroom doorway and Andrew back up the stairway into the playroom. By the time that got sorted, there was no Andrew dialogue available to get the tour. No idea if that is significant at all but the quest is still in my journal. I'm considerably further into the game now but if that's the problem, I can reload a save. Any further clues that might assist me or is it the Playroom quest that's stopping me progressing? I've trawled all the FG pages relating to the mod but nothing has popped up that might help. Cheers Edit... I have the BBLS mod loaded as well. I know that back in 2016 you said it conflicted but up till now there hasn't really been a problem. Does it still conflict? Could this be the problem? Edit again. I went back to an earlier savegame and played the Bulwark Mine quest through 8 times, varying who went with me and where I left everyone afterwards. Got the playroom quest every time but Andrew never gave me a tour of the playroom. There was never an option to ask him in any of the varied quest results. Damned annoying.
getrekt14 Posted February 6, 2021 Posted February 6, 2021 16 hours ago, fishburger67 said: Don't understand your question. There is no such thing as "lore friendly animations". there is an option on MCM menu of the mod that says "lore friendly" animations which means that the sex slaves will rape the player when they are aroused to the max. this feature used to work for previous versions 6.0xx but with the new version the slaves dont force themselves on me anymore...they used to say things like master i cant control it and jump on you but now they dont do that , was that intended with this new version ? if not is there a way to fix this?
Martok73 Posted February 7, 2021 Posted February 7, 2021 Ok, so I just finished reading all 36 pages of this and I do not understand your argument for why you are not allowing a female pc to train new sex slaves. Every single animation included with SexLab by default works just fine with female pc's using the included strap-on and default options to allow females in the male role. Many other mods utilize this feature and a female aggressor using a strap-on on female npcs, and even on male npcs works just fine with the default sexlab tag settings. SexLabs Defeat is a perfect example of how this works. So that argument is out the window. As for the "dialog" was made from a male perspective argument, most females doms are more masculine than men in that regard so the dialog should be fine, and honestly so what if a few pronouns are referencing him to a female pc instead of her? It really doesn't matter, and to be quiet frank I know there are many many people that play female characters (mainly male players, not just the female ones), who would absolutely love if that sexist arbitrary requirement of forcing the player to be a male character in order to train new sex slaves was removed completely and people were allowed to play how they want to play. After spending several hours reading thru this entire 36 page thread to find out if the current version allowed it or not, which would thus influence my descision of whether or not to download the mod and try it out, has my greatly disappointed to see that as of this posting that archaic requirement is still in place. Which greatly saddens me because I wanted to play the mod just to be able to enslave/whip/torture several vanilla npcs that have pissed me off over the years while playing as a female pc. As long as this requirement to be male is in place I won't be trying this mod at all, even tho from all my reading I believe it is a great mod that should be played, because I want the freedom to choose whether to be male or female in the game I play and not be "TOLD" which gender I "HAVE" to play to be able to access every feature available. I think, and from what I've read so does a couple other posters, the mod would be perfect if you simply turn off that requirement and let it go as is, sexlab can handle the rest using strap-ons and default settings. But if your dead set on leaving it as it is, then I just wasted about 5 hours of my time reading thru 36 pages just to find out if the mod will do what I want to do in the game, and welp, it does not all because of a gender flag setting. Oh, and female voice acting isn't an issue either as sexlabs has many many female voice options that work just fine, see again the afore mentioned SL Defeat mod. See also SexLab Dialogue mod. I suggest putting it on the front page that in order to train new sex slave your pc must be male to save other people from wasting their time reading thru 36 pages just to find that shit out so they can pass on this mod early. I want my 5hrs back please.
BigOnes69 Posted February 7, 2021 Posted February 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Martok73 said: Ok, so I just finished reading all 36 pages of this and I do not understand your argument for why you are not allowing a female pc to train new sex slaves. Every single animation included with SexLab by default works just fine with female pc's using the included strap-on and default options to allow females in the male role. Many other mods utilize this feature and a female aggressor using a strap-on on female npcs, and even on male npcs works just fine with the default sexlab tag settings. SexLabs Defeat is a perfect example of how this works. So that argument is out the window. As for the "dialog" was made from a male perspective argument, most females doms are more masculine than men in that regard so the dialog should be fine, and honestly so what if a few pronouns are referencing him to a female pc instead of her? It really doesn't matter, and to be quiet frank I know there are many many people that play female characters (mainly male players, not just the female ones), who would absolutely love if that sexist arbitrary requirement of forcing the player to be a male character in order to train new sex slaves was removed completely and people were allowed to play how they want to play. After spending several hours reading thru this entire 36 page thread to find out if the current version allowed it or not, which would thus influence my descision of whether or not to download the mod and try it out, has my greatly disappointed to see that as of this posting that archaic requirement is still in place. Which greatly saddens me because I wanted to play the mod just to be able to enslave/whip/torture several vanilla npcs that have pissed me off over the years while playing as a female pc. As long as this requirement to be male is in place I won't be trying this mod at all, even tho from all my reading I believe it is a great mod that should be played, because I want the freedom to choose whether to be male or female in the game I play and not be "TOLD" which gender I "HAVE" to play to be able to access every feature available. I think, and from what I've read so does a couple other posters, the mod would be perfect if you simply turn off that requirement and let it go as is, sexlab can handle the rest using strap-ons and default settings. But if your dead set on leaving it as it is, then I just wasted about 5 hours of my time reading thru 36 pages just to find out if the mod will do what I want to do in the game, and welp, it does not all because of a gender flag setting. Oh, and female voice acting isn't an issue either as sexlabs has many many female voice options that work just fine, see again the afore mentioned SL Defeat mod. See also SexLab Dialogue mod. I suggest putting it on the front page that in order to train new sex slave your pc must be male to save other people from wasting their time reading thru 36 pages just to find that shit out so they can pass on this mod early. I want my 5hrs back please. He can design his mod any way he wants its in the Loverslab rules. You are the one violating the rules. For you to come here and rant is the waste of time and insulting to someone that gave their free time. Just move along and be happy you have a place that gives you free mods. Say something productive or nothing at all. 3
Gukahn Posted February 7, 2021 Posted February 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Martok73 said: Ok, so I just finished reading all 36 pages of this and I do not understand your argument for why you are not allowing a female pc to train new sex slaves. Every single animation included with SexLab by default works just fine with female pc's using the included strap-on and default options to allow females in the male role. Many other mods utilize this feature and a female aggressor using a strap-on on female npcs, and even on male npcs works just fine with the default sexlab tag settings. SexLabs Defeat is a perfect example of how this works. So that argument is out the window. As for the "dialog" was made from a male perspective argument, most females doms are more masculine than men in that regard so the dialog should be fine, and honestly so what if a few pronouns are referencing him to a female pc instead of her? It really doesn't matter, and to be quiet frank I know there are many many people that play female characters (mainly male players, not just the female ones), who would absolutely love if that sexist arbitrary requirement of forcing the player to be a male character in order to train new sex slaves was removed completely and people were allowed to play how they want to play. After spending several hours reading thru this entire 36 page thread to find out if the current version allowed it or not, which would thus influence my descision of whether or not to download the mod and try it out, has my greatly disappointed to see that as of this posting that archaic requirement is still in place. Which greatly saddens me because I wanted to play the mod just to be able to enslave/whip/torture several vanilla npcs that have pissed me off over the years while playing as a female pc. As long as this requirement to be male is in place I won't be trying this mod at all, even tho from all my reading I believe it is a great mod that should be played, because I want the freedom to choose whether to be male or female in the game I play and not be "TOLD" which gender I "HAVE" to play to be able to access every feature available. I think, and from what I've read so does a couple other posters, the mod would be perfect if you simply turn off that requirement and let it go as is, sexlab can handle the rest using strap-ons and default settings. But if your dead set on leaving it as it is, then I just wasted about 5 hours of my time reading thru 36 pages just to find out if the mod will do what I want to do in the game, and welp, it does not all because of a gender flag setting. Oh, and female voice acting isn't an issue either as sexlabs has many many female voice options that work just fine, see again the afore mentioned SL Defeat mod. See also SexLab Dialogue mod. I suggest putting it on the front page that in order to train new sex slave your pc must be male to save other people from wasting their time reading thru 36 pages just to find that shit out so they can pass on this mod early. I want my 5hrs back please. First respect for reading all the pages and doing your research as everyone SHOULD before installing a mode. Thats something i do every time. Applause everybody. So only to get thinks straight, the mod has a feature for a gender you don't want to play and you decide to rent about it like a kid instead of moving on like me majority of others? Many Mods here in LL are gender specific, most of the great and extremely well done mods i would love to use are for female Characters . You don't see me on the page of, lets say Sexlab Pheromone and writing a Textwall about how dumb i think it is that you can't let an Npc drink the potions so i can just watch a scene. So i have to either life with it that my male pc gets raped by a spider while the only thing i want was for my followers to get assaulted OR whats more reasonable for me just. Don't. USE. It. It's just how the mod works and the Author want it to be. It's their mod they can implement features and block others like they want. Their freetime, their work and their creative property Long story short: Congrats you found a mod that's not entirely to your liking and nagged about it like a kid. now lets get on with our life again.
fishburger67 Posted February 8, 2021 Author Posted February 8, 2021 On 2/5/2021 at 10:56 PM, zigster999 said: Hello. Back again with more questions. My male character has been playing the Flowergirls version with Jenn, Sasha, a sex-slaved Celestine, and Linda for a couple of in-game weeks now. I'm still not getting any radiant quests at all, not even the first one (buttplug) from Jenn. I've checked everything written on the troubleshooting page. I have faction with J&S (only 0 but it is there), the quests are all set at 0, I've been in and out of Breezehome and have tried the Breezehome cheat command to start the quests, Andrew is not marked as dominant, but still nothing. I have completed the lodge quest but was not able to complete the Andrew's Playroom quest. My followers blocked me in the playroom doorway and Andrew back up the stairway into the playroom. By the time that got sorted, there was no Andrew dialogue available to get the tour. No idea if that is significant at all but the quest is still in my journal. I'm considerably further into the game now but if that's the problem, I can reload a save. Any further clues that might assist me or is it the Playroom quest that's stopping me progressing? I've trawled all the FG pages relating to the mod but nothing has popped up that might help. Cheers Edit... I have the BBLS mod loaded as well. I know that back in 2016 you said it conflicted but up till now there hasn't really been a problem. Does it still conflict? Could this be the problem? Edit again. I went back to an earlier savegame and played the Bulwark Mine quest through 8 times, varying who went with me and where I left everyone afterwards. Got the playroom quest every time but Andrew never gave me a tour of the playroom. There was never an option to ask him in any of the varied quest results. Damned annoying. There is no playroom tour for male players. Check the troubleshooting page for clues on the radiant quests. Check both the SSE version and LE versions for why they don't trigger. I guess I am going to re-write this for the SSE version sometime soon as it is a little out of date.
fishburger67 Posted February 8, 2021 Author Posted February 8, 2021 On 2/6/2021 at 7:31 AM, getrekt14 said: there is an option on MCM menu of the mod that says "lore friendly" animations which means that the sex slaves will rape the player when they are aroused to the max. this feature used to work for previous versions 6.0xx but with the new version the slaves dont force themselves on me anymore...they used to say things like master i cant control it and jump on you but now they dont do that , was that intended with this new version ? if not is there a way to fix this? I'll check this out myself as soon as I get done playing CP2077 in a week or two.
shadychild Posted February 9, 2021 Posted February 9, 2021 i cant make Mia Lorenz a sex slave, i whipped her a lot and gave her a lot of food and i changed the setting from 20 to 2 but no new dialogues are appearing. Is it because i have a female character? i would appreciate help.
getrekt14 Posted February 9, 2021 Posted February 9, 2021 16 hours ago, fishburger67 said: I'll check this out myself as soon as I get done playing CP2077 in a week or two. have fun sir, i'll be looking forward to ur update on this : ) , good day
232434534524 Posted February 9, 2021 Posted February 9, 2021 I've been trying to make a patch for the mod but every time I load it into the Creation Kit I get the ";CODE NOT LOADED" error in the scripts box. Any idea how I could load the mod scripts with the mod file. (MO2 by the way)
fishburger67 Posted February 9, 2021 Author Posted February 9, 2021 10 hours ago, shadychild said: i cant make Mia Lorenz a sex slave, i whipped her a lot and gave her a lot of food and i changed the setting from 20 to 2 but no new dialogues are appearing. Is it because i have a female character? i would appreciate help. Never tried with a female PC. That might be an issue. 1
fishburger67 Posted February 9, 2021 Author Posted February 9, 2021 7 hours ago, 232434534524 said: I've been trying to make a patch for the mod but every time I load it into the Creation Kit I get the ";CODE NOT LOADED" error in the scripts box. Any idea how I could load the mod scripts with the mod file. (MO2 by the way) Extract the bsa into separate folder somewhere that starts with "Data" and then use 7zip to create a .7z file called something like miaslairloose.7z, then uninstall the bsa and install the loose version. Then you'll have all the code. You'll also need the Sexlab code as well, but I think it comes that way as I recall.
232434534524 Posted February 11, 2021 Posted February 11, 2021 I've been trying to enable the options to enslave Vess, Niri, and Allison. I've got Allison and Vess working completely fine but Niri runs off sometime around me freeing or capturing Allison and only has follower dialogue. Am I missing something?
fishburger67 Posted February 12, 2021 Author Posted February 12, 2021 21 hours ago, 232434534524 said: I've been trying to enable the options to enslave Vess, Niri, and Allison. I've got Allison and Vess working completely fine but Niri runs off sometime around me freeing or capturing Allison and only has follower dialogue. Am I missing something? Allison is no longer enslavable. Go find vess and niri after completing the main quest at falkreath and roikstead.
fishburger67 Posted February 12, 2021 Author Posted February 12, 2021 13 hours ago, Anxiety Man said: Hi Fishburger, First and foremost, great job with the mod. I am enjoying the storyline and the detailed character background for every NPCs. I seem to be constantly running into a problem with Andrew. This is my 5th time playing with a female character trying to get passed the "A Love Slave" and "Find Andrew's Sister" quest. When I first recruit Andrew and enter a big city, I get the mead quest. After reaching lvl 2, I get the two food quests. When I reach lvl 5, this is where it gets a little tricky. From my understanding, you reach lvl 5 after completing the Special Skooma quest and you acquire this quest when you reach lvl 4. After the Special Skooma quest, I get the "Andrew Likes you More" notification on the top left and reach lvl 5. I believe this is also when you get the "A Love Slave" quest where your objective is to get Andrew to Love you. Once I reach lvl 5 however and hit 100%, it seems to constantly drop back to 0% and accumulate the percentages, to only drop back to 0% after fast traveling to a different location. I know it's not a scripting issue, as I hover around 79~80% from Elephants Scripting Latency Tool. Can you let me know what I am doing wrong? FYI: I get the courier to get Jarl Siddgeir's letter to initiate "Find Andrew's Sister" quest. After reading the note, the next objective marks me to "Talk to Andrew". But there is no option for me to further advance in the quest. Again, any suggestions or pointers would be helpful. Thanks again; huge fan! I am assuming that you are playing as a female. If so, approach andrew and talk to him. If you can't talk to him about this quest, a script did not run. Try loading a save from before you got the letter.
zigster999 Posted February 15, 2021 Posted February 15, 2021 So, the ongoing Jenn/Sasha radiant quests... After failing to get any quests from the girls last time I asked questions, I started a new game to try again. Deleted the BBLS mod and a few others as well. Playing as a male with the vanilla start (Helgen). Got to level 5, did the Mia's quests (with Recorder and Celestine) and collected Jenn and Sasha. Sent Recorder and Celestine back home then. Broke Mia and turned her into a slave. Left her at Sanguine's Palace. After a few quests to help me level up, I did the Andrew Annabelle quest (avoided getting the Andrew playroom quest this time) with just Sylvia and Andrew. Now level 26 with a team of Jenn, Sasha, Celestine and Serana (doing the Auriel Bow quest). I have Breezehome as my central home (I have Honeyside as well but I don't use it). Jenn and Sasha have sex at least twice a day, mostly with me but sometimes with C&S. With me, oral sex and spankings with a slave crop are very prominent. I feed them and give them drinks afterwards though they never use them. After 20 levels with Jenn and Sasha, I have yet to see a radiant quest. I have been through your troubleshooting guide with a fine tooth comb. Everything that I need to have done to have a radiant quest pop has been done. I have tried using the Breezehome quest-pop cheat to no avail. So, with all the dungeons we've crawled and all the sex we've endured, the faction rank I have with the two of them is still 0. And no radiant quests. What am I not doing? I thought it might have been food and spankings at first but no. Sex Slaves For Dummies tells me I am doing everything right. I do love having Jenn and Sasha with me, and the work done on these followers is amazing. I can see them being part of my every playthrough from now on. They are energising, diverting and very funny. And rather more deadly than most any other follower out there, modded or vanilla. I'd just like to be able to get their quests as well as enjoy their company.
fishburger67 Posted February 16, 2021 Author Posted February 16, 2021 On 2/15/2021 at 1:38 AM, zigster999 said: So, the ongoing Jenn/Sasha radiant quests... After failing to get any quests from the girls last time I asked questions, I started a new game to try again. Deleted the BBLS mod and a few others as well. Playing as a male with the vanilla start (Helgen). Got to level 5, did the Mia's quests (with Recorder and Celestine) and collected Jenn and Sasha. Sent Recorder and Celestine back home then. Broke Mia and turned her into a slave. Left her at Sanguine's Palace. After a few quests to help me level up, I did the Andrew Annabelle quest (avoided getting the Andrew playroom quest this time) with just Sylvia and Andrew. Now level 26 with a team of Jenn, Sasha, Celestine and Serana (doing the Auriel Bow quest). I have Breezehome as my central home (I have Honeyside as well but I don't use it). Jenn and Sasha have sex at least twice a day, mostly with me but sometimes with C&S. With me, oral sex and spankings with a slave crop are very prominent. I feed them and give them drinks afterwards though they never use them. After 20 levels with Jenn and Sasha, I have yet to see a radiant quest. I have been through your troubleshooting guide with a fine tooth comb. Everything that I need to have done to have a radiant quest pop has been done. I have tried using the Breezehome quest-pop cheat to no avail. So, with all the dungeons we've crawled and all the sex we've endured, the faction rank I have with the two of them is still 0. And no radiant quests. What am I not doing? I thought it might have been food and spankings at first but no. Sex Slaves For Dummies tells me I am doing everything right. I do love having Jenn and Sasha with me, and the work done on these followers is amazing. I can see them being part of my every playthrough from now on. They are energising, diverting and very funny. And rather more deadly than most any other follower out there, modded or vanilla. I'd just like to be able to get their quests as well as enjoy their company. That is very odd. Can you post me the results of the test you should have done as outlined in the troubleshooting guide?
zigster999 Posted February 17, 2021 Posted February 17, 2021 On 2/17/2021 at 7:33 AM, fishburger67 said: That is very odd. Can you post me the results of the test you should have done as outlined in the troubleshooting guide? This is the list. I'm using the Flower Girls version of the mod, version 71 according to the MCM for Sexxslaves. The actual Flower Girls mod is v 3.0.2. I'm also running Sexlab v 1.63. sqv miafindbuttplug: enabled no, state stopped, current stage 0, priority 60 sqv miafindbunnytail: ditto sqv miafindslavestuff: ditto getglobalvalue sexslslavequestrunning 0.00 getglobalvalue sexslbuttplugcount 0.00 getfactionrank 0.00 for both Jenn and Sasha (I note that, after spankings, Jenn's faction drops to -2.00 whereas Sasha's doesn't change) In Breezehome, 'setsexslslavequestlasttime to 0' produces no result when I head back into Whiterun. I don't get any message after I hit 'enter' on that command; I suppose that's as it should be. I'm using Anna's Breezehome mod but after disabling that (just in case) nothing has changed. Days between radiant quests is set to 2. The Andrew dominant box is not ticked. I'm using Nether's Follower Framework for all 4 followers, Jenn, Sasha, Celestine and Serana. The 4 followers are recognised in the MCM entry for Sexslaves. The girls are wearing rings, necklaces and circlets and are armed with daggers and bows. My character is now level 30 after wiping out Harkon, but still no quests. Edit: I should mention that I've run the various mods through SSEEdit and can't find any conflicts. Also I have run everything through LOOT to try for optimised mod loading, and LOOT hasn't report any errors.
SomeNewfy Posted February 19, 2021 Posted February 19, 2021 HELP I'm having a problem advancing Andrews story line, I've had no issues up until receiving the letter from Jarl Sidgier of Falkreath pertaining to Andrews missing sister. When I read the letter I got the quest prompt to speak to Andrew, but nothing happens. I get no dialogue options to discuss the letter or to go to the lodge. I get nothing. I have tried dismissing him, reloading an old save, tried moving on hoping he would initiate the dialogue. I am rather lost at this point. If anyone knows how to fix this or has any suggestions, it would be appreciated! Thank you
Centrophy Posted February 21, 2021 Posted February 21, 2021 Reinstalled after several versions. So the latest versions have less options now? Niri has no dialogue option to go with you to the castle? She also doesn't have options to join in in breaking Vess? Vess can no longer be enslaved after the quest and can just be made a normal follower? Ingrod can no longer be enslaved? What? I've rarely seen an update that removes features. I can only guess there was a good reason for this but I can't for the life of me figure out why. It also looks like the appearances of all the characters were changed a lot which is cool though with my body mesh/skin texture setup they're looking more plasticy or sims-like. Still, some good stuff here but just had to comment on the missing stuff. I miss Niri's reactions in the introduction. I didn't see anything in the changelog about these changes but it looks like only the latest changelog is here. 2
zigster999 Posted February 24, 2021 Posted February 24, 2021 My last comment was the one dated 17 Feb. Since then I've tried another two new games, each of which failed to get any radiant quests. So in the end I stripped out a number of heavy mods (Cathedral Weather and Skyrim Reputation among them), deleted all the Flower Girl mods and then installed the Sexlab version of Mia's Lair. And it worked. Got Jenn and Sasha, broke Mia and turned her into a sex slave and headed off to return Allison Ravencrone. As soon as I walked into the Jarl's home, Jenn gave me the butt plug quest. I am not a huge fan of Sexlab over Flower Girls (SL seems fairly crude in comparison to FG), but will put up with it for the nonce. You can relax now Fish. I don't have to harass you any more
fishburger67 Posted February 25, 2021 Author Posted February 25, 2021 23 hours ago, zigster999 said: My last comment was the one dated 17 Feb. Since then I've tried another two new games, each of which failed to get any radiant quests. So in the end I stripped out a number of heavy mods (Cathedral Weather and Skyrim Reputation among them), deleted all the Flower Girl mods and then installed the Sexlab version of Mia's Lair. And it worked. Got Jenn and Sasha, broke Mia and turned her into a sex slave and headed off to return Allison Ravencrone. As soon as I walked into the Jarl's home, Jenn gave me the butt plug quest. I am not a huge fan of Sexlab over Flower Girls (SL seems fairly crude in comparison to FG), but will put up with it for the nonce. You can relax now Fish. I don't have to harass you any more Glad you got is resolved.
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