Devious Followers (8 June 2019)

[Siudhne]

Playing around with this mod a bit more and starting to really like it. Some random ideas:

 

Gold deal: Take a share of all gold income => since you already took this deal, you are probably low on gold anyway...

Prolongment deal (offered only when other deals are active): Whenever a deal would run out of time or gets bought out, roll a die! If you roll unlucky enough, the deal has increased duration (goes without saying that it can trigger multiple times on the same deal - and even on the prolongment deal itself).

[TokalaSelah]

Just out of curiosity does the simple slavery tie in (as in being sold into deals/enslavement) require any set up like other mods in the MCM where you go and say that it should be tied in? Can't seem to find where to enable it and haven't actually been able to land on it yet and don't see any particular updates for SS to do so.

[Snook001]

9 hours ago, Wyrade said:

It is more-or-less already there with a random event that can happen during enslavement.

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You get a gag while playing (outside of a city?), and the follower whores you around a bit when in town before (s)he removes it.

 

Ok, thanks, I have not been pimped yet,  maybe if we can increase its frequency, I already call Lydia "master", but beside being in bondage gear, used only by her (because of chastity belt and ring gag) and having to tell occasional npc I'm a slut, no pimping has happen yet.  May be she should prostitute the player more to get her money back ?.

[Krazyone]

Problems and Horse thing tweaks, Plus some ideas...

 

Spoilers to stuff that happens in Devious Follower below, with Ideas and Problems that there are in the mod.

 

Spoiler

Ideas...

 

1. When getting locked in the horse gloves, give the player some plus and minus's of wearing them...

 

- Negatives - 

Can't pick up

Horses are attracted to you

Tail makes you even more attractive to horses

Gloves and Tail force you to go onto all fours

 

- Plus's -

The horse gloves let you kick like a horse, with the gloves. In other words, high melee damage.

 

Just some ideas... 

 

 

2. Chains of Debt removal.

 

The Chains of Debt is a game stopping items, how about you swear to do as your follower tells you, in return for your freedom from the chains.

 

She can...

- Dress you however she wants, like a doll.

- Undress you when she wants to admire your body for the day.

- Whore you out, when she needs money.

- Have you breed with anything, to become a cum slut and mother to human and animals. If you have have the mods for it.

- She can have sex with you when she wants.

- Increase your breast size, to suit her fetish and whoring needs. +10% more cash made from whoring, with each increment.

 

Positives...

- Request time off to adventure and do quests.

- Request to wear your own clothes for a day, if you've been doing as you are told.

- Get a cut of the money, when she whores you out.

- Get debts frozen, with a payback scheme. 90% of found money going to your follower, until you are debt free.

 

 

 

I also have some problems with the deals needing tweaking...

 

Problem 1...

The Horse sex deal, there are no horse's in the Vanilla games, and hardly any stables. There are plenty of wild ones, miles away from town, but Lydia can't see them, to complete the deal.

I had bought the only Horse in Whiterun, and parked it at Ivarstead. I was going to pick it up later...

 

Unfortunately, this left Lydia looking bemused, as she couldn't find a Horse to fuck her pet...

 

Solution...

Spawn a Horse, after the deal agreement.

 

I added the mod: More Vanilla Horses to combat this.

 

Additional idea... other animal sex deals, spawning in tame animals.

 

 

Problems 2... 

Chains of Debt is clashing with the arm and leg deals

 

When wearing the chains of debt, I made a deal and got the WEAR ARM AND LEG CUFFS deal.

 

Unfortunately, I cannot equip the arm and leg cuffs over the chains of debt. There is no option to remove them either, the older version did, but it's been removed in one of the updates...

I've been having problems with this clashing with other deals, unequipping deal stuff...

 

 

[valcon767]

7 hours ago, Naps-On-Dirt said:

Is there a way to check the status of your active deals?  LIke to see what level they are at, and how much time is remaining.  If not, could a status question be added to the dialogue? 

 

Also, I'm having trouble trying to dismiss a follower.  I use EFF, first I select "pay debt - follower will be dismissable", then dismiss via the EFF menu option (because there isn't a dialogue option to do it.)  But he keeps following me, and if I try to rehire, the EFF menus don't come back.  I suspect I'm supposed to use a DF dismiss command and that maybe one isn't available because I still have deals going, but I can't tell.  I'm not given the option to buy out my deals either.

as much as i hate to say this you have glitched (broke) that follower.

 

to dismiss a Devious Follower you cannot owe them any money at all.  this means if you have a deal you cannot dismiss the follower (you still owe money for

the deal after all). using a follower management mods "force dismissal" option will not work correctly, because you still owe the follower money.

doing so will cause issues with that follower (because the follower is not fully dismissed).

sad to say the only fix (that i know of) for this issue (force dismissing a follower that you still owed money to) was to roll back to a save prior to trying to

force dismiss the follower.

 

as for checking the status of deals, as far as i know you can only check how much it would take to pay off the deal.

 

@bishlapped

i use female for pc and for most followers.

 

[Lupine00]

Speaking of horses...

 

In the "Horse Game", I repeatedly found that no animation played on the first sex scene, but for the second/third scene it did.

In the first scene, the actors (horse, PC) just stood there doing nothing.

 

Also, the horse lacked had no penis in the first scene, but it had one in the second scene.

 

This was at Riften stables, where there are multiple horses, and they all have a turn.

 

DCL and SLAdventures seemed reliably able to conjure scenes with Horses; the problem was only with DF.

[Wyrade]

9 hours ago, Snook001 said:

18 hours ago, Wyrade said:

It is more-or-less already there with a random event that can happen during enslavement.

Spoiler

You get a gag while playing (outside of a city?), and the follower whores you around a bit when in town before (s)he removes it.

 

Ok, thanks, I have not been pimped yet,  maybe if we can increase its frequency, I already call Lydia "master", but beside being in bondage gear, used only by her (because of chastity belt and ring gag) and having to tell occasional npc I'm a slut, no pimping has happen yet.  May be she should prostitute the player more to get her money back ?.

That sounds like you are not currently enslaved, and only have a few deals ongoing.

I played with 1.43, but i don't think that part changed in an update, so when you are enslaved the deals are suspended; there are separate rules during enslavement.

It cannot happen if you have endless mode enabled, the follower can only enslave you if your willpower is low enough, and your debt has to be over the enslavement threshold.

[Naps-On-Dirt]

12 hours ago, valcon767 said:

as much as i hate to say this you have glitched (broke) that follower.

 

to dismiss a Devious Follower you cannot owe them any money at all.  this means if you have a deal you cannot dismiss the follower (you still owe money for the deal after all). using a follower management mods "force dismissal" option will not work correctly, because you still owe the follower money. doing so will cause issues with that follower (because the follower is not fully dismissed).

sad to say the only fix (that i know of) for this issue (force dismissing a follower that you still owed money to) was to roll back to a save prior to trying to

force dismiss the follower.

 

as for checking the status of deals, as far as i know you can only check how much it would take to pay off the deal.

 

Thankfully I went back to a prior save the first time I tried, and now I've been saving before each attempt.  My most recent try was to reset the mod and then dismiss him, but he still follows and then gets bugged out if I rehire him. 

 

If I pay him off then dismiss him via dialogue, he says "Can I please have my share of the gold partner?" and won't go.  I think he's glitched already anyway, he doesn't remember that I have two deals going but those are what are keeping him from being dismissed.

 

I've tried getting new deals to pay them off but I can only pay one at a time, then the option isn't there anymore and I have to take another.  And sometimes I'm not even offered new deals. I'll try chasing through the deals to see if I can get them all removed but not sure if it will work.

[Nazzzgul666]

On 5/29/2018 at 11:58 AM, Lupine00 said:

 

There are so many fancy furnitures in Zaz 8+, so many... It's a huge (too huge) mod. Lots of items don't work well, but some do. Most need some help with cameras at the least, but there's some great potential there. The water-wheels, cage dunking, tree-bondage, funky beds, numerous hanging poses, webs... It's all under-used.

ZAP was always underused. The animation with the broom is there since v6 at least, together with a couple of others pretty much nobody uses ever. The only exceptions afaik are More devious quests (lying there while another character holds a candle over you) which is abandoned and the new Maria Eden (broom) which is incompatible with most other mods.

[xboronx]

Small idea:

Rework the first gambling game in a similiar way to the key casino game.

You might win big jackpot money but you might also "win" deals or follower games.

[crococat]

in dialog menu there is no option to buy out naked deal and its armbinder continuation. other deals are in menu but this missed. cant regain freedom without enslavement, maybe it will be repaired.

[Lozeak]

So, update.

It require DD4.1 Beta.

The new game uses a lot of tricks I've learnt over the last week. The triggers are in the change log...

 

As for the content maybe it's too much the aim of it was humiliation of the player and I figured if the player has the animations installed they are consenting to those kind of things. (I will tone it back if people want).

 

The other thing I added was basically a system to remove the kid from the game ... they really suck like if your running a pornified skyrim a kid walks past at times it's just made me turn my game off and when I was making this content it was too much so I had to deal with it.

 

For quests and stuff that use kids, I have made it so they reappear when the follower is fully paid off and has no deals. Reversing this .... I don't think I can, honestly it's too much to make the content I do with kid running about so it'll stay, Unless it CTD people but then I'll do something else to get rid of them.

[tuxagent7]

18 minutes ago, Lozeak said:

The other thing I added was basically a system to remove the kid from the game ... they really suck like if your running a pornified skyrim a kid walks past at times it's just made me turn my game off and when I was making this content it was too much so I had to deal with it. 

 

I know how you feel but i find it a little bit extreme to make them all disappears when you are in debt with the follower.  That means when i take a follower then all kids disappears from the planet skyrim.  I now find myself asking do i update or not

 

Yes it suck having a kid walk by a sex scene but i also dont like having them all disappears.

 

[Lozeak]

On 5/29/2018 at 11:31 AM, bathoz said:

Yeah... Slaverun (particularly at the painslut training part)... too much whipping.

 

It has its place. But needs to be used waaaaaaay more conservatively. One strike. Something like that.

 

Milk Mod seems an obvious connection.

Tattoos are another (and then another from stripping). Of course, in that case, it would be better to get custom tattoos done, as opposed to generic rape tattoos.

YPS is good (and might even work against the follower. "I look good" extra willpower)

Maybe introduce rituals – having to introduce yourself to the innkeeper as "the slut, if you need anything."

 

 

Different question: how does the detection for leaving settlements go? I've never noticed a "oh, you can get dressed" line.

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On 5/29/2018 at 10:58 AM, Lupine00 said:

 

Whipping is pretty boring. I totally burned out on it in Slaverun, and now all I see is how silly it is when the NPC does one of those twirls when they whip. Zaz has non-twirling whipping, but it's still super-dull. Also, so many mods do whipping so you slide about all over the place, which is silly.

 

Also, I think the feel of DF has the follower more mischievous than vicious. It's a bit tongue in cheek, not dark and gritty.

 

If you did do it, it ought to do some decent damage, so you can be pushed into injured or exhausted states and have them trigger more things as a result.

 

There are so many fancy furnitures in Zaz 8+, so many... It's a huge (too huge) mod. Lots of items don't work well, but some do. Most need some help with cameras at the least, but there's some great potential there. The water-wheels, cage dunking, tree-bondage, funky beds, numerous hanging poses, webs... It's all under-used.

It's not gonna spam thing at you (I try to avoid things like that) and if i don't think it'll be fun I won't use it, I think having a little bit of spanking or whiping would be fun. That said I'm miles of trying to make content like that.

On 5/29/2018 at 10:20 AM, Nazzzgul666 said:

Honestly so far i only tried this mod for a few minutes, had some incompatibility with another mod i wanted to try (still not sure which one, i reported it as a bug here that a collar tied my hands on the back... i suspect ZAP 8 but not sure) so i can't really say much, BUT if you wanna use ZAP for deals... please don't use whipping just like everybody else. There are more animations that almost nobody uses, and imho great ones. For example the one where you use a broom to clean, the somebody comes and sticks it up your butt.

There is also this, some sexy but non-sexual animations which could be used for some"I want you to workout in public" or "I've placed the key for your devices somewhere in the house, search for it" games/deals.

 

Also, not sure if it doesn't already do that but reading about changing the way games are triggered and slavery... imho the obvious choice would make stuff that was a suggestion earlier mandatory if enslaved, i.e. you can't say no to games. Just a thought, though.  

Right now my game is at the border of "99% stable, few cases where i have to reload because some scripts lagged to bad to be executed" and don't want to add any mod, but in my next playthrough this mod is definitly added.

 

And since you mentioned you learned how to use soft dependencies, some ideas for more deals/games (i honestly don't know the difference):

- yps fashion. Let's get you pierced/manicured/shaved/whatever. Depending on the settings in yps, this may lead to addiction.

- Skooma whore/Milk addict would be other obvious candidates

- Just get drunk at a bar. May have intresting consequences with sexlab drunk (or add your own).

- Combine all of the above and attend to a party with some nobles. PC might become the attraction for the evening independently from other mods, maybe only if enslaved.

yps fashion - I used it a little, I think that having a forced aspect to that mod would be fun.

Skooma whore- Liked it once but it's so hard to set it up so i never used agian

Milk mod economy - I really like this mod but my game lags out too much when I use it so I probably won't touch it maybe when all mods at Skyrim SE script lag won't be so much of a thing.

Never tryed sexlab drunk maybe I should.

 

On 5/29/2018 at 3:40 PM, Snook001 said:

Hi,

 

I've been playing with your mod for a while now and.... oops, i'm enslaved?.  I was wondering if it would be a lot of work to have the follower turned into a pimp when they are both back in town?  She could bring the player to the inn and have her sell her services until a predifine amount of money in the mcm is reached.  She could tell the player whore yoursel and bring me 500 septims.  I found it's a waste to sell the player to slavery when she can bring more money throug prostitution.  You could make TDF Prostitution a requirement which would simplify this part.

 

Just an idea like that, hope you'll like it.

 

Great mod by the way, i love it?.

Next deal will have a little of what you want

On 5/29/2018 at 5:00 PM, Wyrade said:

Btw even on 0 willpower and naked with the slut deal, the npcs don't react more than pinching nipples when i tell them i'm a slut. Is that normal?

I'd assume some forced sex or something would be "realistic".

(v1.43)

 

Another issue of mine is that the Chains of Debt (during endless mode over enslavement limit) do not show for me for some reason.

They do have the chain sound, the character does get into position (hands placed in front of her), it is in the inventory and equipped, the chains are just not visible.

My first guess would be that I need to build it in bodyslide, but I checked, and the PrisonerChains01_go.nif is included in DDx4.0 already, and there is no entry for it in my bodyslide to build. (I use CBBE body, I don't see how that could matter in this case though.)

The other kind of chain the mod gives (Iron Prisoner Chains?) show properly.

Any ideas?

Can it possibly be script lag or something? (I did try to wait a lot, but this is modded skyrim we are talking about.)

Chains are glitchy and I need to fix, I might use a different device. 

On 5/29/2018 at 5:29 PM, soldaten44 said:

This mod has a great potential to be one of the most interesting devious mods ever! Keep up the good work!

It needs some tinkering, balancing, testing etc. But it's very entertaining already.

I played it for a while, maybe you could use an idea or two about enslavement state of the player character...

 

1. Enslavement mechanics.

Well it's not nice to be enslaved in the middle of a battle or essential quest dialog. And it's kinda silly too

Idea: the Dragonborn goes to sleep after a day of hard work but awakens in chains with his former Follower, now Owner, telling him how to behave. Whoops...

 

2. Payment mechanics while enslaved.

Being free the Dragonborn pays his Follower her fair cut. Now she takes unfair cut from her slave.

Idea: Whenever the Dragonborn earns money through trading, quest rewards, etc. - his owner takes some percentage based on willpower. The lower willpower the more she takes. And it should be really unfair cut. This makes character development and getting out of slavery fairly difficult, as it should be.

 

3. Treating such slave as the Dragonborn.

The Dragonborn is strong, capable, competent, very valuable piece of property! He's definitely not wothless. He'll make his Owner rich in no time.

Idea: Owner tracks her wealth status. She won't even speak about her slave's freedom until she's wealthy enough. After that... well, you guess Okay honey, I give you a chance to continue making me rich as a free man. Do not fail me again! So former slave is now free, but with a bunch of deals to pay off first, huh.

 

4. More means to gain or lose willpower. 

When the Dragonborn levels up or discovers Words of Power he regains some of willpower. When he shows disobedience he regains some too at the cost of being punished. The goal of the Owner is to keep her slave at low willpower earning her money. The goal of the slave is opposite.

Btw there are some spanking animations in Zaz animation pack  

 

5. A trap for a slave who's been too obedient and nice.

No, honey, you're too good to set you free. And the Dragonborn gets stuck in slavery permanently. The probability of such outcome should be fairly low though. The whole point is to keep the player in constant fear of such an outcome. You had it coming honey!

 

All in all, it would be great achievement for the player character to get out of slavery, very satisfying. And fun!

 

 

 

1. It shouldn't do much midcombat cause follower idle shouldn't activate in combat. In dialouge maybe, I can look into that.

 

2. I need to be careful with these kind of things too harsh and there is no hope, the best thing imo is giving a player hope and them throwing it away in a gamble or a misjudgement.

 

3. Didn't really understand what you mean.

 

4. I thought about but having a simple system is good for the player.

 

5. I have thought about this and want to do it cause I love the race to get free, like having 5 quest and once they are done you can't buy out of certain things maybe a timer on deals that if exceed you will never be able to get free. I want to flash the mod out more though first.

On 5/29/2018 at 6:02 PM, tualmaril said:

Do animal followers count?

Nope, too many issues if i do.

On 5/29/2018 at 6:19 PM, Reesewow said:

Agree that the Enslavement portion is one of the weaker parts of the mod and it makes sense that it is IMO since it hasn't really changed from the original setup and has been bypassed by some of us by "endless" mode anyway.

 

Some suggestions on how "enslavement" as a mechanic may be more interesting and fit into the current DF framework better:

 

Enslavement "Deal" as a replacement of being enslaved:

• Could remove the current "enslavement" system/status in favour of a special enslavement "deal" set
• When the player goes over Enslavement debt - the follower could now offer a "choice" when they get angry
• One of the choices could be the same outcome as currently happens at high willpower - they take some items (based on MCM menu) and gold to pay down your debt, and sell them, with the player being able to go to the particular NPC to buy them back if they want.
• The other option is for the player to agree to become the follower's "slave" instead of paying them off.  This would start a special "deal" (Slave deal) and freeze all other DF mechanics, meaning no new debt would be added while under the slave deal.
• If the player has low willpower, they will be forced to take this Slave Deal, just like how hitting enslavement debt with low willpower works now

When taking the enslavement deal, the player's debt and current other deals would be cleared.  Instead, they would enter into a deal that they could not buy out of for a certain period of time (MCM toggle available).  The deal could have a bunch of rules in place, such as required nudity in towns, wearing a collar ect.  The follower would "own" the player's body for the duration of the deal, meaning they could trigger any type of sex scene whenever they wanted (same idea as the other high-level deals).  If the player breaks the rules of the deal, time is added to the deal instead of debt, and they are required to do "something" every 24 hours or more time is added (to block cheesing the deal by waiting/sleeping in place for a week straight).  There could be a slavery "failure" mechanic still, if the player ends up with more time than a maximum set in the MCM menu (if you aren't going to abide by the slavery deal, your follower could sell you as a real slave via Simple Slavery or just abandon you completely covered in DD).

 

Some other ideas for follower "activities" while enslaved

• they may choose to play dressup with the player - giving the player a semi-random DD item to wear for at least 24 hours 
• they could randomly choose to let someone/something nearby have sex with the player in town
• they could demand the player earn them some extra cash and prostitute the player out (similar to old pig slave game, but triggers in town/inn at max once per 24 hours and a bit shorter)
• they could trigger any of the currently existing games while "games" are on cooldown, without pre-reqs
• there could be tie-ins to other slavery style mods via soft dependency - example would be randomly offering the player a few days off their "slave" debt if they earn some money for the follower by running a SLUTS delivery.

Basically, the idea I have is that being "Enslaved" could work better if it was just a more hardcore deal that you can't buy out of, with some aspects of all of the other deals and a lot more forced nudity/sex scenes (without it taking too much control away from the player).  Since it is actually offered as an option instead of gear stealing, people could even use it as an alternate playstyle, if they would prefer to have a lightweight "dominant follower" that triggers sex scenes and demands some light bondage/nudity from the player, but not be constantly scrounging for money to pay them.  With Simple Slavery now a possible outcome for complete failure, I think more hard-core slavery styles would be better left to those mods that specialize in that gameplay.

 

Enslavement deal .... maybe but I think having that enslavement outcome as a deterate from exceeding debt is awsome and even more fun when a player has so many deals the enslavement mode acutly gives you more freedom. infact I'm thinking of making the enslavement system a way to buy out from deals or debt.

On 5/29/2018 at 7:33 PM, Naps-On-Dirt said:

Is there a way to check the status of your active deals?  LIke to see what level they are at, and how much time is remaining.  If not, could a status question be added to the dialogue? 

 

Also, I'm having trouble trying to dismiss a follower.  I use EFF, first I select "pay debt - follower will be dismissable", then dismiss via the EFF menu option (because there isn't a dialogue option to do it.)  But he keeps following me, and if I try to rehire, the EFF menus don't come back.  I suspect I'm supposed to use a DF dismiss command and that maybe one isn't available because I still have deals going, but I can't tell.  I'm not given the option to buy out my deals either.

I have something in the works for it ^^. I have built a message system I just need to implement it.

On 5/29/2018 at 8:55 PM, Fenroo said:

Yes, please!!! If you need ideas I'm sure we could contribute ?

I have some rough ideas atm but more ideas the better. The issue is I need a way to communicate that the player is frustrated if I can work a good way to do that, I think it will be awesome.

 

On 5/29/2018 at 9:27 PM, soldaten44 said:

Yeah it needs some polishing but still has its moments

Overcoming gameplay obstacles while enslaved is very amusing to me.

Just one examle out of many: following the Thieves Guild's main questline. You need to lockpick the door to follow Gulum-Ei but you can't because of mitts! And you follower won't remove them. Solution: trade for a restrains key, unlock mitts, quickly pick the lock before they notice and put restrains back on.

So I believe enslavement part isn't so bad and can become even better.

Just make the mod aware of NPCs' sexlab/aroused preferences 

Like, I know people enjoy it and love the transforming mittens! I thought about scrapping it and using stuff in deals and stuff ...... but it is there to deter the player from breaking failure debt so I think improving it is the best way. I have no plans yet cause the things I want to do will take time.

 

On 5/29/2018 at 11:01 PM, Siudhne said:

Playing around with this mod a bit more and starting to really like it. Some random ideas:

 

Gold deal: Take a share of all gold income => since you already took this deal, you are probably low on gold anyway...

Prolongment deal (offered only when other deals are active): Whenever a deal would run out of time or gets bought out, roll a die! If you roll unlucky enough, the deal has increased duration (goes without saying that it can trigger multiple times on the same deal - and even on the prolongment deal itself).

When you have 9 deals you have a chance to get a deal to extend a random deal ^^ which is simular. That said I do like the gambling aspect of your idea more things to tempt the player deeper into slavery is always fun.

 

23 hours ago, TokalaSelah said:

Just out of curiosity does the simple slavery tie in (as in being sold into deals/enslavement) require any set up like other mods in the MCM where you go and say that it should be tied in? Can't seem to find where to enable it and haven't actually been able to land on it yet and don't see any particular updates for SS to do so.

 

I recommend use simple slavery in 1 of 2 ways.

 

Set it so DF sends you to Simple slavery instead of enslavement then you can use a Mod like SD+ or WhiterunBrothel (Everyone should check that mod out) or you can use Simple slavery to send you to a deal/enslave/both follower and you can work  your way to freedom. You can have DF use SS to send you to DF which is dumb unless you want a risk of capping all deal out instantly.

 

 

23 hours ago, Snook001 said:

Ok, thanks, I have not been pimped yet,  maybe if we can increase its frequency, I already call Lydia "master", but beside being in bondage gear, used only by her (because of chastity belt and ring gag) and having to tell occasional npc I'm a slut, no pimping has happen yet.  May be she should prostitute the player more to get her money back ?.

 

So, your gonna like my next deal >.0 that's all I'll say. The idea is solid and all i need to do is alter a texture of a device and I'll start making it.

 

edit: missed a ton of posts.

[Lozeak]

1 minute ago, tuxagent7 said:

 

I know how you feel but i find it a little bit extreme to make them all disappears when you are in debt with the follower.  That means when i take a follower then all kids disappears from the planet skyrim.  I now find myself asking do i update or not

 

Yes it suck having a kid walk by a sex scene but i also dont like having them all disappears.

 

Use pause and they'll all reappear (they should) for quest. Outside of that if your follower is making you walk naked through town or using you, I don't want any kids there.

[valcon767]

23 minutes ago, Lozeak said:

Use pause and they'll all reappear (they should) for quest. Outside of that if your follower is making you walk naked through town or using you, I don't want any kids there.

nod i can totally understand wanting the kids out of the way

 

2 other mods that people can use to remove kids are 

SLSF (SexLab Sexual Fame)

DDMDQ (Devious Devices More Devious Quests) - this on is abandoned but still works fine (but can be heavy on usage if Slut Madness is left on)

 

i currently use DDMDQ (i like the jobs aspect of it) turning everything off except the jobs/child remover/comments parts and find it very light that way.

just an FYI for those interested.

 

[Lozeak]

1 hour ago, crococat said:

in dialog menu there is no option to buy out naked deal and its armbinder continuation. other deals are in menu but this missed. cant regain freedom without enslavement, maybe it will be repaired.

I think this was caused by a glitch in the pause function i did a quick fix in 1.51a so it should be better. if you don't want to update.... reset _DflowDealH should reset the deal and don't use the pause function.

[xboronx]

54 minutes ago, Lozeak said:

The other thing I added was basically a system to remove the kid from the game ... they really suck like if your running a pornified skyrim a kid walks past at times it's just made me turn my game off and when I was making this content it was too much so I had to deal with it.

 

For quests and stuff that use kids, I have made it so they reappear when the follower is fully paid off and has no deals. Reversing this .... I don't think I can, honestly it's too much to make the content I do with kid running about so it'll stay, Unless it CTD people but then I'll do something else to get rid of them.

 

What if you remove all generic kids without own quests and leave those with quests in but replace them with 18 year old teens? Then we are rid of all the annoying kids and all quests can still be made without hassle and we have a few new beautiful NPCs

[Reesewow]

1 hour ago, Lozeak said:

So, update.

It require DD4.1 Beta.

The new game uses a lot of tricks I've learnt over the last week. The triggers are in the change log...

 

As for the content maybe it's too much the aim of it was humiliation of the player and I figured if the player has the animations installed they are consenting to those kind of things. (I will tone it back if people want).

 

The other thing I added was basically a system to remove the kid from the game ... they really suck like if your running a pornified skyrim a kid walks past at times it's just made me turn my game off and when I was making this content it was too much so I had to deal with it.

 

For quests and stuff that use kids, I have made it so they reappear when the follower is fully paid off and has no deals. Reversing this .... I don't think I can, honestly it's too much to make the content I do with kid running about so it'll stay, Unless it CTD people but then I'll do something else to get rid of them.

Thanks for the update and the mega-reply thread, always fun to see what a mod author is thinking.  Don't feel you have to reply to *every* suggestion/comment IMO, but it is fun to get feedback to feedback.  I'll probably hold off on trying this and further versions myself until 4.1 is fully released, but it doesn't sound like that should be too far away.  Definitely looking forward to trying it however, along with any content you add using the new DD4.1 items.

 

I fully understand the problem of the annoying Skyrim kids running around what is basically an adult porn fantasy for a good chunk of us - I will probably use such a feature myself as long as it doesn't break anything outright or cause game instability. 

 

I do think it might be better as a toggled option in the MCM menu that players can opt out of, since I could see problems arising from someone not knowing that Devious Followers is the mod causing that effect and having problems with some of the game's quests and scenes as a result (the Ebony Blade quest and the scenes in the Dark Brotherhood sanctuary where the vampire child has lines for example may have issues with this feature).  The other option would be to put more help text on the "pause" button to indicate pausing will re-enable children.

[Lozeak]

24 minutes ago, Reesewow said:

Thanks for the update and the mega-reply thread, always fun to see what a mod author is thinking.  Don't feel you have to reply to *every* suggestion/comment IMO, but it is fun to get feedback to feedback.  I'll probably hold off on trying this and further versions myself until 4.1 is fully released, but it doesn't sound like that should be too far away.  Definitely looking forward to trying it however, along with any content you add using the new DD4.1 items.

 

I fully understand the problem of the annoying Skyrim kids running around what is basically an adult porn fantasy for a good chunk of us - I will probably use such a feature myself as long as it doesn't break anything outright or cause game instability. 

 

I do think it might be better as a toggled option in the MCM menu that players can opt out of, since I could see problems arising from someone not knowing that Devious Followers is the mod causing that effect and having problems with some of the game's quests and scenes as a result (the Ebony Blade quest and the scenes in the Dark Brotherhood sanctuary where the vampire child has lines for example may have issues with this feature).  The other option would be to put more help text on the "pause" button to indicate pausing will re-enable children.

I don't mind reply a lot of people support and help me here and replying and stealing there ideas is only fair !!!

 

Child thing - I have made it so you can do quest either by using pause or dismissing your follower (they should reappear within 20 seconds) 

Which means there is no reason to have kid in my content even on a support thing.

 

One thing, I may work on is a save state system..... which will store your dealtimer/debt/will meaning you can save the state of your player and delete DF then reinstall and continue where you left off to fix some bugs people may have.

[steelmagpie]

Will you be adding a link to the DD beta pages in the main description like you did before as this made it very handy for people to use to update with...   Cheers in advance and looking forward to trying out the new update..  Each one adds to the fun of this mod for sure..

[Shion11]

not sure if the two new  deals are in the list, but i updated DDi/x to the 4.1 beta, but the deals list doesn't show it in there

[donttouchmethere]

just updated DF from 1.45 to 1.51a via NMM

DF 1.51a overwrites a file from Devious World 0.02

i think it has something to do with sleeping in Cages

the end result:

- rented a cage because of low willpower

- after entering the cage i get endless loop:

enter cage -> tingle clothes removed -> screen fades to black -> but no sleep -> [tingle <-> fade screen] in loop

tried to leave the cage but that ends with a short escape -> immediate reenter the cage -> escape -> reenter

 

will test if that happens if i dont overwrite the cage scene with 1.51 now

 

[and MCM related: same as shion11]

 

EDIT 01:

Dworld file name that wants to be overwritten by DF1.51a:

_DWSleep.pex

makes somewhat sense now

 

EDIT 02:

to NMM users:

dont overwrite the Devious World  _DWSleep.pex  with DF 1.51a

to prevent the sleep in cage bug

[crococat]

just idea. fully paid and dismissed followers may remember your slaveslut nature and leave some special attitude to you. maybe specific fraction must be created. and many things may be happened. it is not right that slave and master immediately forgot their relationships.

 

and where are dds 4.1? could only find 4.0beta2. could i upgrade df on dd4.0?

[Nazzzgul666]

6 hours ago, Lozeak said:

 

It's not gonna spam thing at you (I try to avoid things like that) and if i don't think it'll be fun I won't use it, I think having a little bit of spanking or whiping would be fun. That said I'm miles of trying to make content like that.

yps fashion - I used it a little, I think that having a forced aspect to that mod would be fun.

Skooma whore- Liked it once but it's so hard to set it up so i never used agian

Milk mod economy - I really like this mod but my game lags out too much when I use it so I probably won't touch it maybe when all mods at Skyrim SE script lag won't be so much of a thing.

Never tryed sexlab drunk maybe I should.

 

 

I guess i should go more to detail.

Whipping: just saying, there are more and imho good animations and kinda punishments avaivalbe that could be used, with no more or even less work than adding whipping. I don't dislike the whipping in general, but the amounts of mods using it is... enough.^^ If you still just want to add it, i'd request to make it a little more intresting than just whiiping the PC silly, tie her to a furniture first.

What i could imagine for the broom for example:

- If in player home, offer a deal to clean the home naked. That your follower uses the broom on you during the progress might be guaranteed or just a chance...

- If enslaved you're commanded to clean naked - in town! Any passing NPC has a chance to use it on you. Might cause people gathering and cheering, while your follower collects tips.

 

 

yps fashion: Since it has plenty stuff, there can be several deals, randomly or progressive. That's what i thought:

- a simple deal to put some makeup on your face, possibly additional fingernail polishing. (Doesn't sound too bad for a deal, the PC can agree to that easily, right?)

- toe nails polishing, maybe earings piercing additionally 

- shaving pubits and armpits

- more face piercings, possibly navel

- Nipple and clit piercings, although i'm really uncertain what happens if you're pierced there from yps and a DD mod tries to add piercings there too. Might cause problems, maybe just leave it be.

 

To make it more intresting from the beginning, even with only some makeup... yps has it's own "feeling pretty vs addicted" system, not sure if there is some kind of Api that could be used, would fit great imho. For yps feeling pretty just increases speech, BUT if you become addicted, the buffs are more and more removed and you need makeup etc just to feel normal.  While this would rather fit a confidence than "willpower" system... it might add something here too.

 

Since you already mentioned some whoreing when enslaved, yps might be used again - if PC is pretty, she earns more money. Less if she feels ugly. Proper preparations might be enforced instead of optional. The necessary tools (cream for shaving, makeup etc) will be bought and added to the players debt.

 

 

Skooma whore: honestly never liked it that much myself, but i can't remember spending much time to set it up either... just thought it would be a thing for those who like it.

 

MME: Similar to Skooma whore, i always felt there is a lack of content/story. Didn't notice too much of performance hit, though, maybe because i just disable the Milk Market thing by default. But now there are a couple of mods that hopefully make it actually intresting, one of them is by you.  Most important reasons are milk addict and Beeing a cow. I'll definitly give it another try in my next game. 

 

Didn't try SL drunk much either, it worked ok in first tests, but in the long run... i never had a reason to drink a lot of alcohol, and i need some kind of background story to make my character do stupid things. This mod might provide one.