Devious Followers (8 June 2019)

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Lozeak said:

So yea another update!!!!!!

 

Now there is a way to get keys from your follower and it's super devious . I know some of you will enjoy this!

This is the motivation for characters to get a follower! With Cursed Loot, you constantly need keys to free the tied up people you find in every city. So player character reluctantly goes along with the follower to be able to help out those people.

[LazyBoot]

36 minutes ago, Lupine00 said:

Random key handouts is what DCL does. Yes, there's "Prefer useful keys" but it's never worked, and often denies you the exact keys you need completely.

Isn't that one of the things Kimy said she's going to look into?

[valcon767]

37 minutes ago, Lupine00 said:

So, you did this without a clean save? Just a swap-in-place...

 

It sounds a bit risky. I'm not sure whether to clean save or not now.

yeah it was a bit risky but so far has worked fine.

 

to do a clean save would not take much effort, just the actual running of a save game cleaning tool in between steps 9 and 10. 

i just cut that part out due to laziness (did not feel like running the tool at the time - i wanted to finish that dang quest i was on)

 

 

[Lupine00]

1 hour ago, LazyBoot said:

Isn't that one of the things Kimy said she's going to look into?

Yeah... And if you recall, this was "fixed" over six months ago, but still isn't.

Now we'll be waiting until DCL 7.0 comes out ... don't hold your breath for that ... with the best will on Earth, she won't turn that out in a weekend.

[Lupine00]

1 hour ago, Bobbert6996 said:

This is the motivation for characters to get a follower! With Cursed Loot, you constantly need keys to free the tied up people you find in every city. So player character reluctantly goes along with the follower to be able to help out those people.

You're joking right?

 

If you mess with bound girls, you get bound about half the time. They're a trap!

[LazyBoot]

2 minutes ago, Lupine00 said:

Yeah... And if you recall, this was "fixed" over six months ago, but still isn't.

Now we'll be waiting until DCL 7.0 comes out ... don't hold your breath for that ... with the best will on Earth, she won't turn that out in a weekend.

Well, yeah, she's kinda busy getting DD4.1 ready.

[Pupkin]

I was looking at the Follower Commentary Overhaul - FCO

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/52019?tab=files

and was wondering if there are some sex-themed follower comments in the mod? Like the follower commenting on the PC looks (or the looks of other NPCs), or how they would like to have sex with the player, or threatening to rape PC if they don't take care of their arousal. There is nothing said about that in the mod description so I guess it is not implemented.

 

If some mod already does that, clearly it's not needed. But I don't know any.

[Lozeak]

4 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

Random key handouts is what DCL does. Yes, there's "Prefer useful keys" but it's never worked, and often denies you the exact keys you need completely.

 

The key percentages in DCL are one of the less effective parts of it. People ask for it, people expect it, but it's very cumbersome to adjust it to get what you want out of it, and it simply can't deliver complex or interesting scenarios. The only choices I ever use are the equivalent of NEVER, RARELY, and LOTS. DD is trying to edge away from keys as a core mechanic anyway.

 

As for the key-holder feature, it's had a lot of problems, often leaving players with no recourse but FREE ME!!!, because it stole a quest (restraint) key. Please, don't go down that particular path. I've never used keyholder, and will never use it, because it's a mass of problematic unforeseen consequences.

 

 

I see a strong case for fixing the "exploit" where you give the follower keys to look after, so they can't be stolen...

But followers don't need to hand out keys, followers already remove items directly. Why would you want keys?

 

IMHO, followers just need a way to remove rare key items for a much higher price - and perhaps only in restricted locations, such as inns.

Look, check out how I've added so the follow gives out keys in the latest version and you'll see how awesome the feature is ^^. 

Why it's needed people want a way to remove devices when they have a Block Generic/Quest item on and I'm not gonna make so the follower touchs devices when that happens so the key game is the answer for that.

 

As for rare key, I'm guessing your talking have head/body/feet Restraint keys, my mod will never touch them they are exclusive to DCL and should only be handled by DCL.

 

3 hours ago, LazyBoot said:

Isn't that one of the things Kimy said she's going to look into?

 

2 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

Yeah... And if you recall, this was "fixed" over six months ago, but still isn't.

Now we'll be waiting until DCL 7.0 comes out ... don't hold your breath for that ... with the best will on Earth, she won't turn that out in a weekend.

I recently found the reasons why it didn't work and explained them to kimy, in 6.4 she fixed the function for normal keys the fix for rare key will be out in 7.0.

 

 

[Lozeak]

18 minutes ago, Pupkin said:

I was looking at the Follower Commentary Overhaul - FCO

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/52019?tab=files

and was wondering if there are some sex-themed follower comments in the mod? Like the follower commenting on the PC looks (or the looks of other NPCs), or how they would like to have sex with the player, or threatening to rape PC if they don't take care of their arousal. There is nothing said about that in the mod description so I guess it is not implemented.

 

If some mod already does that, clearly it's not needed. But I don't know any.

There is content where the follower has sex with the player in the mod.

If you want a load of comment 

Try that. 

[Wyrade]

7 hours ago, El_Duderino said:

10 hours ago, Lozeak said:

12 hours ago, Wyrade said:

Might not be the best place to ask, but:

 

Where can I find a list of changes between DD 4.1 and 4.0?

I do know there is a DD Development/Beta thread with links to github repositories, which I do know how to download, but I didn't find any comprehensive list of features (...)

It's probably in the github somewhere and it is in the post if you follow it, like atm just wait unless you have content that uses it (mine works with 4.0 and there is nothing to miss)

Hi,

 

I don't think there is a proper changelog (yet) for DD 4.1, though with some (well, a lot) of patience you can find new additions by looking through the announcements in the DD beta thread here on LL. There have been numerous new beta builds since DD4.0 went live, each with bugfixes and/or new items added.

 

Some key additions are:

- petsuit with new alternate animnation set (crawl on your knees & elbows)

- many new rope bondage items

- transparent rubber items

- new struggle animations for several devices

- new pony walk (high stepping) alternate animation set

- sounds for rubber catsuits/dresses and gasmasks

- changed MCM with now three difficulty sliders to tinker around with
- and more...

Thank you, these additions look awesome! I might even try out the development version before proper 4.1 release, I'm not sure yet. But I sure am looking forward to DD 4.1!

[Wyrade]

3 hours ago, Lupine00 said:

5 hours ago, Bobbert6996 said:

This is the motivation for characters to get a follower! With Cursed Loot, you constantly need keys to free the tied up people you find in every city. So player character reluctantly goes along with the follower to be able to help out those people.

You're joking right?

 

If you mess with bound girls, you get bound about half the time. They're a trap!

Doesn't change the fact I want to help those poor bound girls.

[S4WDU5T]

On 4/23/2018 at 9:20 PM, MrMagoo said:

My follower won't remove devices or tell me how much I owe because she is tired... but no matter how many times I rest at an inn for over 6 hours she remains stuck in this state...

I tried searching and skimming thru the thread as I'm having this same issue, but can't seem to find anything relevant to fixing it or just some way to tell the follower to GO TO BED ALREADY! 

 

We've been haunting the Winking Skeever for over 2 days now, rented and re-rented a room for us, follower is too tired to tell me how much debt is owed but she will not sleep/rest no matter what I do. She stands at the foot of the bed staring at me when I sleep, she hasn't moved when I wake up. The only noticeable reaction I got was by sitting in the room chair next to the bed and eating something made the follower wander off downstairs to sit at a table and listen to the bard, but no sleep. I've gone thru all the dialog choices thinking there was something I missed but the only choices are for fucking or for tying me up... neither activity being particularly restful ?

[Lozeak]

You need to rest for 6 hours at least, maybe you can't exit the sleep menu (you probably can).

 

If it isn't working it's likly a bug.

 

If you change the live value in the MCM it will reset they lives anyway try that if the sleeping isn't working. 

[S4WDU5T]

16 minutes ago, Lozeak said:

You need to rest for 6 hours at least

Thanks, but while this mod needs "at least 6", iNeed states "at least 7", so by default I usually sleep for 8-hr stretches just to cover all the bases.

 

Tried an 8- and then a 10-hr stretch but the follower didn't care

 

It could just be some small leftover glitch from the updating process, probably need to remove and cleansave to try it again, I'll get to that later today and see how it goes

[Pupkin]

2 hours ago, Lozeak said:

Try that. 

I'm using that but I don't see much content for the followers. 

[Siudhne]

On 5/22/2018 at 6:53 PM, CGi said:

indeed, but the dependencie can be removed without doing any harm. Or download this plugin. it has Dawnguard removed.
But looking at this i noticed that the new cuffs point to FormiD's not present in DD:i V4.0.

 

 

Thanks for your help, but the game then crashed after showing the main screen (though Mod Organizer gives no missing Dawnguard.esp warning). Tried both replacing the .esp in the mod aswell as adding it as a seperate mod. Anything I'm missing (except dawnguard :-D)?

[Reesewow]

14 minutes ago, Pupkin said:

I'm using that but I don't see much content for the followers. 

Followers talk a lot more in specific places like player homes and draugr tombs/dwemer ruins.  The draugr ones are especially relevant to Devious Followers because they will warn the player to make sure to share the loot properly or they'll chain them to a wall for the undead to play with ect.

 

Also, if you are using some of the fancier custom followers they may not be recognized by Sexist Guards (In my game Zora from Interesting NPCs uses Sexist Guards dialogue, but M'rissi doesn't).  I think whether or not they are considered housecarls changes dialogue as well, I seem to recall actual mercenary followers were more likely to have "pay me or I'll do nasty things to you" dialogue than a follower sworn to carry your burdens.

[Reesewow]

10 minutes ago, Siudhne said:

Thanks for your help, but the game then crashed after showing the main screen (though Mod Organizer gives no missing Dawnguard.esp warning). Tried both replacing the .esp in the mod aswell as adding it as a seperate mod. Anything I'm missing (except dawnguard :-D)?

Make sure you are *not* installing the "Devious World" mod - that is a experimental .esp without much content yet, and requires a lot more masters like Heretical Resources/ZEP ect.

[Pupkin]

59 minutes ago, Reesewow said:

Also, if you are using some of the fancier custom followers they may not be recognized by Sexist Guards (In my game Zora from Interesting NPCs uses Sexist Guards dialogue, but M'rissi doesn't).  I think whether or not they are considered housecarls changes dialogue as well, I seem to recall actual mercenary followers were more likely to have "pay me or I'll do nasty things to you" dialogue than a follower sworn to carry your burdens.

that could be it, thanks.

[valcon767]

6 hours ago, S4WDU5T said:

Thanks, but while this mod needs "at least 6", iNeed states "at least 7", so by default I usually sleep for 8-hr stretches just to cover all the bases.

 

Tried an 8- and then a 10-hr stretch but the follower didn't care

 

It could just be some small leftover glitch from the updating process, probably need to remove and cleansave to try it again, I'll get to that later today and see how it goes

before you go to the trouble of clean save updating (if you haven't yet) you might want to try the reset mod button (on debug page).

that button has fixed minor errors for me in the past.  no clue if it will fix your error or not, but it might and would save you having to do the clean save

routine.   i usually make sure i know what Willpower and Resist stats are at first and put them back in console if i use the reset mod button.

 

[Wyrade]

Is there a (mcm) option to disable notifications about debt being added in the top left corner?

The follower mentions it in a proper comment line most of the time too, so it feels especially redundant because of that.

 

I'd like to not have a pretty much unmissable notification about it, I like when I have to pay attention to it on my own and go to the follower to ask what my current debt is. 

If possible I'd use an option to disable both the topleft notification and the follower comment about it ("don't forget my share, hun" or stg like that), but I'd like to at least disable the topleft notification, and I couldn't find an option for that.

(I suppose I could (try to) edit the scripts, but a proper toggle option would be much preferred, especially with how much (great) version updates there are. :P)

[xboronx]

Does 1.43 already need the DD beta files or is it the last version without?

[Wyrade]

5 minutes ago, xboronx said:

Does 1.43 already need the DD beta files or is it the last version without?

Doesn't need them afaik, and I would assume that requirement would be written at the very least in the changelog with big/bold letters.

[Lozeak]

22 minutes ago, Wyrade said:

Doesn't need them afaik, and I would assume that requirement would be written at the very least in the changelog with big/bold letters.

You are correct, 1.43 adds a message box based game lol so yea no additional requirements needed ^^

[xboronx]

Ok great, because i am still unsure if i should install the DD betas or wait till they are out of beta. Once this mod needs them i won't resist to install them i think

 

P.S.: The new key gambling game is superb. I guess i turn off key finding via DCL completely.