Loverslabs just got some outside attention

[~magic~]

Who really cares.  Seriously.  About the author, about the article, about how different folks feel about it or about what visitors may think of folks dumping on it.  Everyone has an opinion, and NONE of those opinions are any more valid than the others.  

 

As far as the article writers are concerned, they don't give a shit if people love the article or hate the article........AS LONG AS folks are TALKING about the article, it is a win, win to them.

 

"Who really cares.  Seriously."

 

Obviously, those of us discussing the article.

 

"Everyone has an opinion..."

...and everyone else has a right to criticize that opinion. 

 

"None of those opinions are any more valid than the others."

 

If anyone honestly believed that, the world would be a quiet and excruciatingly dull place. 

 

"As far as the article ... win to them."

 

We're talking about the readers, not the writers. 

 

Criticizing us for being heated, combative, or not particularly constructive, would be a good criticism.

 

Criticizing us for criticizing one another is not. 

[gregathit]

Missed the point entirely.  Try reading my post again.  If you still don't get it, then I'll summarize it short and sweet:  "Who freaking cares. Do and say what you want and don't worry about what others think"   - within forum rules of course if you are posting here.

[~magic~]

Missed the point entirely.  Try reading my post again.  If you still don't get it, then I'll summarize it short and sweet:  "Who freaking cares. Do and say what you want and don't worry about what others think"   - within forum rules of course if you are posting here.

 

"Missed the point entirely."

 

I do not believe that I did.

 

 

"If you ... posting here."

 

Do you feel that I am being a drama queen? Am I coming across as a jerk to people? Am I being too combative and need be more approachable to people? Too direct? 

 

Please be constructive in your criticism.

 

"Do and say what you want and don't worry what about what others think" is psychologically impossible.

[27X]

 

 

Isn't cracked one of those buzzfeed tier shite-holes that are infested with clickbait articles with virtually no research into what they write about, only caring about views for dem green bills? Why are we even paying attention to it?

 

Well let's see...Cracked recently had an article written by a guy who read every issue of the official ISIS magazine (yeah, they have that, and it's more baffling than you can imagine), they've had countless articles about interesting historical events and people that I would have never heard of otherwise, and articles written with exclusive first hand accounts from prostitutes, refugees, genocide survivors, former neo-nazis, people who escaped scientology compounds, terrorist kidnappings, and other religious extremists, a girl who has a disease that makes her skin fall off, rape survivors in the military, an actual rapist, some zoophiliacs, a guy who broke out of prison, and a girl who was a sex slave as a child in the US, an article which I desperately wish I didn't read.

So, I'd say they're at least a few notches above buzzfeed.

 

 

Agreed completely.

I feel like many of the people on this page got offended and didn't even read the whole article.

 

I found the article breathtakingly hilarious.

 

As for the claims of "They didn't really experience loverslab and criticized it!", you're completely right! The cracked.com article does, in fact, heavily criticize LoversLab.

The problem is...

 

1 - "They've dedicated a massive chunk of their limited free time on this Earth to eroticizing a game about shouting at fantasy Norwegians"

2 - "I soon learned that adding sex to Skyrim is like adding missile launchers to your car. It's technically feasible, but the framework wasn't built to handle it and will buckle under such a precarious weight. "

3 - "Furthermore, mods can often conflict. You need to install A for B to work, but A doesn't work alongside C, but you can't lose C if you want D."

4 - " I understand why someone would want to add sex to Skyrim. You can have PG-13 sex in games like Fable and Dragon Age, because you're roleplaying as a powerful, attractive adult -- why wouldn't romance be an option? But here it's enacted by unaware participants as part of a fantasy of endless sexual conquest so clinical and detached you feel like a scientist observing a foreign species, complete with statistical tracking."

 

...that the criticism is completely valid.

 

The writer quite clearly sympathizes with the desire, but criticizes the execution. It requires a huge amount of specific knowledge to get detached sex scenes, and requires roleplaying experience and creativity for those sex scenes not to feel detached. It requires a lot of learning for a new modder to even begin to figure it out, and the end result is often terrifying rather than sensual. 

 

As a female, the three biggest reasons I ever got myself to get past those obstacles were isolation, a vivid imagination, and pre-existing technical knowledge.

 

 

Cracked is an infantile magazine at best and yes the article was made at the community's expense. Cracked is part of the same journalistic circle that comprises Ars technica, Gawker, and such unbiased sources as The Mary Sue and Gammasutra before Leigh Alexander was politely asked to Gated Community Concern Troll somewhere else.

 

If you can't really get that from the tone of their writers/articles, you are legally context blind and should probably see a doctor.

 

[~magic~]

 

Cracked is an infantile magazine at best and yes the article was made at the community's expense. Cracked is part of the same journalistic circle that comprises Ars technica, Gawker, and such unbiased sources as The Mary Sue and Gammasutra before Leigh Alexander was politely asked to Gated Community Concern Troll somewhere else.

 

If you can't really get that from the tone of their writers/articles, you are legally context blind and should probably see a doctor.

 

 

 

"Cracked is part of the same journalistic ... somewhere else."

 

Cracked has been around since 1958 and is now under Demand Media, and is completely unrelated to every single one of those you mentioned. 

 

It's strange you mention Gawker as if it were linked to Cracked -- Not only is Cracked completely unrelated Gawker, I've seen a number of Cracked articles criticizing Gawker.

 

There are plenty of reasons not to like cracked. The website is notoriously dominated by left-wing and feminist articles. The titles change randomly and are undeniably clickbait, but unlike Gawker and Buzzfeed, the titles are unrelated to the content of the article (hence the "Title-Guy" inside jokes at Cracked, referencing how the titles often have little relation to the actual article).  I have no quarrel with that reasoning.

 

But let's not be dishonest and try to repackage criticism of Buzzfeed and Gawker and apply it to Cracked, especially as an Ad Hominem against a satirical article within  -- it does not fit. 

[GrimReaper]

 

 

I don't like being made fun of and painted as a degenerate because I am not some prude puritan who thinks he upholds the morals of the free world.

But I guess, to each their own.

 

His article tried to be funny at the expense of this community. He laughed at us not with us. I do not consider him funny in any way and there might be some quality stuff on that site but his "article" definetly isn't one of them. 

 

 

He made fun of everyone at the expense of everyone. He made fun of LL, the people who develop mods and the people who download and play with these mods and most importantly, he made fun of himself. I don't think a prude puritan would 1) try out these mods and 2) let a dog fuck his male character just because he spent time on getting it actually to work. In the article, he plays the role of the average joe, often called normie or normalfag in meme-speak. He says he is alienated by how people could spent their free time on developing virtual sex in a videogame that doesn't support any of the stuff that happens with the mods - at the same time says he lets a dog fuck his character just because and at the end of the article he admits his penis out of his pants. It's not a serious article and it doesn't target you or anyone in particular other than the author himself.

 

I mean, people come here for the virtual porn. There's no need to describe that as the ultimate pinnacle of human society. That's cringeworthy. All communities and fandoms are the target of a joke every now and then. As long as there is no malicious intend to be found, I don't see the problem. Getting overly defensive is something insecure people do, who need to remind themselves constantly that they are the ones being normal.

[27X]

 

 

Cracked is an infantile magazine at best and yes the article was made at the community's expense. Cracked is part of the same journalistic circle that comprises Ars technica, Gawker, and such unbiased sources as The Mary Sue and Gammasutra before Leigh Alexander was politely asked to Gated Community Concern Troll somewhere else.

 

If you can't really get that from the tone of their writers/articles, you are legally context blind and should probably see a doctor.

 

 

 

"Cracked is part of the same journalistic ... somewhere else."

 

Cracked has been around since 1958 and is now under Demand Media, and is completely unrelated to every single one of those you mentioned. 

 

It's strange you mention Gawker as if it were linked to Cracked -- Not only is Cracked completely unrelated Gawker, I've seen a number of Cracked articles criticizing Gawker.

 

There are plenty of reasons not to like cracked. The website is notoriously dominated by left-wing and feminist articles. The titles change randomly and are undeniably clickbait, but unlike Gawker and Buzzfeed, the titles are unrelated to the content of the article (hence the "Title-Guy" inside jokes at Cracked, referencing how the titles often have little relation to the actual article).  I have no quarrel with that reasoning.

 

But let's not be dishonest and try to repackage criticism of Buzzfeed and Gawker and apply it to Cracked, especially as an Ad Hominem against a satirical article within  -- it does not fit. 

 

 

Nothing feminist about the site, and you're one the citing an Ad Hominem in their defense ironically enough. Also semantic correcting earns you no points either; the site falls squarely within the above content purveyors in tone, article type and demographic  make up, said point has nothing to do with whom owns the magazine. I know full well as I used to read the actual magazine as a kid, but thanks for the completely topic-aside heads up.

 

Meanwhile Cracked is an infantile holier-than-thou "it's only funny when I do it" site.

 

[~magic~]

 

 

 

Cracked is an infantile magazine at best and yes the article was made at the community's expense. Cracked is part of the same journalistic circle that comprises Ars technica, Gawker, and such unbiased sources as The Mary Sue and Gammasutra before Leigh Alexander was politely asked to Gated Community Concern Troll somewhere else.

 

If you can't really get that from the tone of their writers/articles, you are legally context blind and should probably see a doctor.

 

 

 

"Cracked is part of the same journalistic ... somewhere else."

 

Cracked has been around since 1958 and is now under Demand Media, and is completely unrelated to every single one of those you mentioned. 

 

It's strange you mention Gawker as if it were linked to Cracked -- Not only is Cracked completely unrelated Gawker, I've seen a number of Cracked articles criticizing Gawker.

 

There are plenty of reasons not to like cracked. The website is notoriously dominated by left-wing and feminist articles. The titles change randomly and are undeniably clickbait, but unlike Gawker and Buzzfeed, the titles are unrelated to the content of the article (hence the "Title-Guy" inside jokes at Cracked, referencing how the titles often have little relation to the actual article).  I have no quarrel with that reasoning.

 

But let's not be dishonest and try to repackage criticism of Buzzfeed and Gawker and apply it to Cracked, especially as an Ad Hominem against a satirical article within  -- it does not fit. 

 

 

Nothing feminist about the site, and you're one the citing an Ad Hominem in their defense ironically enough. Also semantic correcting earns you no points either; the site falls squarely within the above content purveyors in tone, article type and demographic  make up, said point has nothing to do with whom owns the magazine. I know full well as I used to read the actual magazine as a kid, but thanks for the completely topic-aside heads up.

 

Meanwhile Cracked is an infantile holier-than-thou "it's only funny when I do it" site.

 

 

 

"Nothing feminist about the site..."

 

Then you haven't read much on the site.

 

"...and you're ... ironically enough."

 

How exactly am I citing an Ad Hominem in their defense? >.<

 

"tone, article type, and demographic make-up."

 

That makes even less sense than comparing them by parent company.

 

Gawker is a tip-based tabloid-style news site with a gossip tone whose top demographic, according to their own parent company, is men aged 25-50. 

Cracked.com is an article-driven website aimed at (and written primarily by) women and men under 40 with a variant tone. It doesn't even have a news portion.

 

Gawker has more in common with The Daily Mail than Cracked. Either your circle is bullshit, or it's one of Saturn's rings.

 

The magazine is a predecessor to the website and has no writers or producers in common. Judging the website by the magazine is like judging Barack Obama based on the performance of JFK. 

[Guest Mogie56]

After actually reading the article and not just going off of what others said about it, it was the funniest read I've had in a good long time. He definatly has a comical way with words. as much as he used the word "Horror" it was his own. Of course he can't speak for his readers. Only tears I'd shed are out of laughter. Much of his trials of trying to get shit to work any one of us could relate to even if the mods had nothing to do with sex and didn't come from LL. I don't believe he left anyone out, everyone got poked fun at and mainly himself for his own ineptness. Granted most articles about LL anywhere on the Net are nothing more then click bait, hell most articles on the "Net" about any subject could have that finger pointed at them.

after actually reading it I found nothing to be offended over. 

[Dr. Thang]

 

Nothing feminist about the site, and you're one the citing an Ad Hominem in their defense ironically enough. Also semantic correcting earns you no points either; the site falls squarely within the above content purveyors in tone, article type and demographic  make up, said point has nothing to do with whom owns the magazine. I know full well as I used to read the actual magazine as a kid, but thanks for the completely topic-aside heads up.

 

Meanwhile Cracked is an infantile holier-than-thou "it's only funny when I do it" site.

 

You sure say "infantile" a lot, I don't think it makes you sound as smart as you think it does. Meanwhile, I've been getting a major "it's only funny when it's not us" vibe from the criticism of this article, but you don't seem to have a problem with that way of thinking. Also, it's ironic that you call the site "hollier-than-thou" when you repeatedly dismiss it as if it's beneath you because they have list-based articles.

You've clearly never spent any time there, but I go there every day, I can guarantee I am more familiar with the place than you are. Right now I'm reading an article from today about all the scientific problems that would come from living on another planet, and just yesterday there was an article disputing popular negative myths about poor people, none of that sounds like something you'd see on gawker to me.

[Kendo 2]

Read the article.  Meh, the guy's not that funny.  To me, the gist of what he said reminds me of downloaders who don't understand a few simple mod install basics and it was obvious he didn't configure the Sexlab MCM to fix the clipping and NPC alignments.  Maybe that was intentional on his part to get 'a laugh' and prove his preconceived point about sexualized modding being a waste if time.  Some of the lines in his article read like user comments in a download section; comments by the types of users who have less 10 posts and expect mods to work like magic.

 

Anyway, I've never heard of him or Cracked before reading this thread so his opinion amounts to a squirt of piss on a raging bonfire.

[Jexsam]

I lol'd.

 

He's a writer doing a comedy article for a list website on the internet.  He didn't come here for hermaphrodite deathclaw fucking, he came here to get material to elicit a laugh from his readers.  That's all it really is.  No point reading any further into it, because at that point we're putting more thought and consideration into it than he did.

[Ashal]

If you can't laugh at yourself, then don't laugh at others. It's all in good fun. Hell, the fact that they both named and linked to the site from the article instead of just alluding to it says a lot about that I'd say.

 

Main thing I got from this is primarily that the install and usage instructions for sexlab really really need improvement. But that's something I've known for awhile and just haven't been able to convince myself to finish for whatever reason.

[Ashal]

And in case anybody is morbidly curious, as I just was; here's the sites referral traffic for December 9th

 

[Chaos63]

I can fully understand how somebody can get overloaded when starting up sexlab with all these numerous features that all have even more numerous requirements. Hell, when I started sexing skyrim we only had AP and SexIS(was that the name?), nowdays you have over a hundred mods adding all kinds of situations and sex immersion effects that could easily take an amateur user a week to set up, fix all the kinks and finally get it to a somewhat working state.

Guess all we can do is pitch in and help out at the technical section.

[Arhon]

The comments game more Laugh than the article

[Aluminium]

When I first stumbled across LoversLab, my mind was boggled by how much more complex a simple sex mod can be compared to a vanilla-assets quest (in terms of scripting).

The guy still isn't funny though.

[jessegt]

I havent read said article, but i did some reading here and i got an idea of whats what. People are judging and quick to assume. Human nature to some degree. What id like to add.... i told my aunt about skyrim. Her family 7 brothers and her, are perveted. Good people, but perverted. She associated devious devises with something you we see in snuf film. Few weeks later she discussed how she saw and liked the movie... 50 shades of grey.

[mybrainhurts]

I havent read said article, but i did some reading here and i got an idea of whats what. People are judging and quick to assume. Human nature to some degree. What id like to add.... i told my aunt about skyrim. Her family 7 brothers and her, are perveted. Good people, but perverted. She associated devious devises with something you we see in snuf film. Few weeks later she discussed how she saw and liked the movie... 50 shades of grey.

 

Please, by all means, do continue.

[jessegt]

Read article. Guy is taking narrow perspective and applying it to a board spectrum. Definitely was attacking great community. Being someone who has been modding for 9-10 months i can say on my end i have had road blocks, what do you expect? I wasnt a professional skateboarder first time i got on skateboard. Never became professional. I am comedy writer myself, pro-bono. This guys wants a virtural reality sex game with indepth personality so he can have sex with dog, cause he "likes animal fucks". Let us,as a community hope he gets off his pestal,rather than falls.

[pinky6225]

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Overall, the article is a lot more embarassing for the author than it is for this community.

 

Really? Because the only thing I find embarrassing here is this thread. Seeing this guy poke some mild fun at us and having so many respond by saying he's not funny at all and his site sucks and he just doesn't get us, it made me cringe a bit.

 

 

i never thought this day would come but i actually agree with Dr. Thang

 

Worlds probably gonna end tomorrow now

 

 

Hey, what did I ever do to you?

 

 

You've done nothing to me but in every other thread either of us have posted in you have either posted stuff that is wrong that i disagree with or have disagreed with me which is also obviously wrong

 

Was just an acknowledgement of that
 

[gregathit]

 

Missed the point entirely.  Try reading my post again.  If you still don't get it, then I'll summarize it short and sweet:  "Who freaking cares. Do and say what you want and don't worry about what others think"   - within forum rules of course if you are posting here.

 

"Missed the point entirely."

 

I do not believe that I did.

 

 

"If you ... posting here."

 

Do you feel that I am being a drama queen? Am I coming across as a jerk to people? Am I being too combative and need be more approachable to people? Too direct? 

 

Please be constructive in your criticism.

 

"Do and say what you want and don't worry what about what others think" is psychologically impossible.

 

 

Yes, you did miss the point and apparently continue to do so.  The point was this thread has dissolved into pointlessness, being as it started that way, it is no small shock that it quickly hit the bottom of the barrel and started digging.  Opinion is NOT equal to fact.  There are no facts here.  Debating opinions can be fun, but in the end, no one changes their opinion based on the debate, so what is really accomplished?  

 

I am not been criticizing you or anyone else.  Never have been, which is probably part of the reason you have missed the point I've been trying to make with a touch of sarcasm thrown in.

 

And no, it is most definitely not psychologically impossible to ignore what others think (or worry about it).  I and others do it every single day.  If this was impossible then nothing new would ever be invented, Hell, nothing new would even be postulated for fear of being "contrary" to what everyone else thinks or believes.  Thousands of facts to back this one up, world being flat, micro-organisms and so on.

 

So in a nutshell, I was making a general point and just happened to quote you.  And yes, you are taking stuff way too personal in my opinion.  Often that is a sign of insecurity.  However, since I don't know you from a hole in the wall, I won't speculate about that or anything else concerning you.

 

I've made the point I wanted to make, which is that all of this is "irrelevant" and am checking out.

 

Best of luck,

Greg

[Alva]

It is too bad that this "journalist" preferred to write a snarky article (trying to hide it as "humour") about LL and marking every user here as "masturbators that jerk off to a videogame" instead of writing an article about how creative people can be, how helpful towards each other and how open minded.

 

And it really shows how narrowminded that author is because he thinks every mod author has to know english or be a native english speaker. It seems, it never crossed his mind that people from all around the world are part of this lovely community.

 

Would you seriously expect that on the internet?

It's generally a cesspool of humanity where few people are actually nice to each other.

Especially the more mainstream media/sites - the worse people will generally behave. Even on something like Facebook under real names will people be complete jerks.

The fact that most in general seem friendly and helpful around here I think is actually more a testament to the "undergroundness" of the content because then it seems that people actually do understand "you get what you give", because it's harder to come by.

[Sarathis]

"I tried to seriously install sex mods but I couldn't do it in a half an hour so I got frustrated and decided to point a finger at all the "freaks" so I could make myself popular with all the sheeple, lol!" - Mark Hill

 

Thought I'd sum up the article for anyone who wanted to save brain cells by not reading it. Oh, and he also linked a .gif Pajman uploaded a little while back as an example of how deviant everyone who posts here is. I know I feel offended. *yawn*

[UZero]

He's a writer doing a comedy article for a list website on the internet.  He didn't come here for hermaphrodite deathclaw fucking, he came here to get material to elicit a laugh from his readers.  That's all it really is.  No point reading any further into it, because at that point we're putting more thought and consideration into it than he did.

That's what I was thinking. Most of the article was just alright, but there were a few lines...

"I gazed too long into this abyss, and it ejaculated on my face."

....like that one that had me laughing pretty damn hard.

 

I mostly lurk here, I rarely post, and just as rarely download anything. It's more the amusement of seeing what people are doing, and sometimes the shock value of the extremes people sometimes go to (and every so often discovering hidden gems about myself and the things that amuse me, admittedly).

 

A lot of it is also what people have done.

...the basic fact that Skyrim was not built with sex in mind. It's like trying to bathe in your kitchen sink. It's technically possible, but it was never intended for that purpose.

 

He's right with this one, even if it was more meant in a derogatory tone. This community has done amazing things with a game that was never meant to do what you're trying to do, and I'm positive that there's been many advances in Skyrim (and soon to be Fallout 4) modding that never would have happened without the sex to back it up. And that's not a negative point either!

 

It only takes a little bit of research to discover how many technological advances the human race has had in general because of, or heavily influenced by, the porn industry. Polaroid cameras' popularity was estimated to source from quite a few pictures that were never meant to be seen, because of the privacy they introduced. VHS beat out Betamax because of its significantly longer recording duration and smaller size, and with the porn industry backing the technology it was the only way to get dirty moving pictures easily. Sony straight up gave blu-ray tech out to various groups in the porn industry in an attempt to take advantage of the same phenomenon that surrounded the VHS. On top of all of that, I believe there are also several filming techniques and technologies that were spawned from making the filming of dirty pictures easier, and are now used regularly in Hollywood productions.

 

In the same vein, this community goes to great lengths to do what they do, and I wouldn't be surprised to know that many of the tools and techniques used here were adopted for other content. More efficient, an easier way of doing something... look at BodySlide and Outfit Studio. Sure you could edit every single object by hand, but it's so much more efficient to use a batch tool, right? Especially one that gives you a live preview of the changes you're making rather than having to reload the game repeatedly to see changes. Hell, I used them when they first came out, the differences between then and now are absolutely incredible. And you know EXACTLY what those tools were designed for!

 

-----

 

You guys should be proud. People have talked crap about the porn industry since the dawn of time (and obviously still do), but so many good things have come out of it. This community may be a smaller, more focused example, but it still applies.

 

Keep doing what you do! Even the craziest mods pave the way for others, inspiring things that people may not have considered before. If nothing else, you're making people smile, or cringe, or just straight up wonder why, and if you've created any sort of emotion at all in someone, you've done your job well. This is definitely art, and what's art without emotion? Obviously the author of that article was feeling SOMETHING.