windpl Posted December 11, 2015 Posted December 11, 2015 Obviously thing that he was looking for couldn't be satisfied by mods. Maybe if he just stick his penis in to pc case, it would get him at last close to his call. After breaking this article in to logic parts it looks really poorly written, even as for comedic piece.
Speakers Posted December 22, 2015 Posted December 22, 2015 Hey, that article is why I'm here. Once upon a time, Cracked was actually great. Now it's total fucking shit, but every now and then, something interesting comes up.
LibertyPrime Posted December 22, 2015 Posted December 22, 2015 Is everyone here forgetting that this is Cracked we're talking about? They shouldn't be taken seriously at all.
Guest Real Posted December 22, 2015 Posted December 22, 2015 That was pretty damn funny. Got to admit it brought about some nostalgia from when I first found this place.
prinyo Posted December 22, 2015 Posted December 22, 2015 What the article is definitely correct about are the technical difficulties. I came to the game modding just 5 months ago and it is been a wild ride. I'm sure there are lots of players who come here, look around and run away with fear and confusion. With some mods my first reaction was to panic and give-up. When you see a support forum with hundreds of pages... it is scary and it is an impossible task to find a solution sometimes. Sure you can ask and almost always people will try to help you. There are two problems with this. If I asked everything that I do not understand there would have been hundreds of posts by me right now. I know some of the answers are on the site already, but how do I find them? And not only technical stuff. For example to this day I'm still confused about the difference between Submit and Defeat (and how DA fits in all this). There is no easy way to find some explanation about it. Sure somewhere in the hundreds of pages with posts in the threads of those mods there are explanations about it, but that would be hours and hours of reading on top of the hours and hours of installing/crash fixing, debugging and so on. The other problem is that sometimes the answers are too technical for the user to understand and use. If your reply contains words such as "mesh", "normal map" and so on, then it is not an answer for a "normal" end-user. Several times I have found posts from user with exactly the same problem that I have but the answers were so confusing that I simply gave up on the mods. I think there should be 2 support forums for a mod (especially a big one) - one for users and one for modders (and advanced users). On the other side there is the technical part. Installing some mods feels like installing Linux apps 10 years ago. Find and install dependencies, find and install the dependencies of the dependencies. And if the game crashes debug all those mods you just installed. Sometimes the authors give very helpful instructions about that. Sometimes they don't and actually confuse you. Sometimes trying to find out what to install is quite a challenge. For example at the moment making the creature functionality work (and finding the information about how and what) is harder than installing a Samba server on Linux 15 years ago. Things have changed and morphed and it is not easy to find out what to do. And while the installation is not that hard, finding the correct info is. For example the MNC description sends you to check for updates for Nude Creatures in the middle of some thread where there is nothing understandable by the end user except for the word "obsolete"... Then the chain breaks and you sit looking helplessly. I've given up on installing the creature functionality several times before finally deciding to spend several hours in detective research . It would have all been avoided and more people would use it if there were simply 5 lines of text explaining what exactly is needed to install. I understand for the majority of the community those are non-issues as people have been here for years and have naturally formed an understanding of what is what, which mod is changes in what way, what merged with what, dependencies were installed not at once, but whenever they were released so the debugging was easier and so on. But for an user who comes here now there is a glass wall of technical and information issues that would simply make them give-up. Or if not - try to download and install stuff hoping it would work. So the attitude in the article is quite understandable for me - people want to spend more time playing and less time decoding cryptic walls of text. I gave the Linux examples on purpose - right now the modding community feels to me exactly as other open-source communities with all the good and bad that comes from this. I'm not complaining about it, I'm actually extremely happy that it exists. But in order to appreciate it you need to become part of it. And this is not for everybody.
windpl Posted December 22, 2015 Posted December 22, 2015 But for an user who comes here now there is a glass wall of technical and information issues that would simply make them give-up. Or if not - try to download and install stuff hoping it would work. So the attitude in the article is quite understandable for me - people want to spend more time playing and less time decoding cryptic walls of text. I gave the Linux examples on purpose - right now the modding community feels to me exactly as other open-source communities with all the good and bad that comes from this. I'm not complaining about it, I'm actually extremely happy that it exists. But in order to appreciate it you need to become part of it. And this is not for everybody. Attitude in article is rather perplexing. Author states that he is reaching for forbidden fruit, something than only few should see and he expect for it to be easy? Please... Natural way of things is that people go to adult mods with experience carried away from normal modding.
gregathit Posted December 22, 2015 Posted December 22, 2015 The real problem is that most folks want modding to work like a trainer. They just run it and hit a key. Modding in general won't ever be that, just due to the increasing complexity of both games and the hurdles that the modding community has to overcome to get things to work. An example of this is Skyrim, which is "supposed to be" modding friendly. However, if FNIS had not been developed, then look at all the mods that would have never been able to be made.
Speakers Posted December 23, 2015 Posted December 23, 2015 But for an user who comes here now there is a glass wall of technical and information issues that would simply make them give-up. Or if not - try to download and install stuff hoping it would work. So the attitude in the article is quite understandable for me - people want to spend more time playing and less time decoding cryptic walls of text. I gave the Linux examples on purpose - right now the modding community feels to me exactly as other open-source communities with all the good and bad that comes from this. I'm not complaining about it, I'm actually extremely happy that it exists. But in order to appreciate it you need to become part of it. And this is not for everybody. Attitude in article is rather perplexing. Author states that he is reaching for forbidden fruit, something than only few should see and he expect for it to be easy? Please... Natural way of things is that people go to adult mods with experience carried away from normal modding. I am exactly that kind of person. I just want to be able to fuck the occasional chick in Skyrim to add a measure of realism to the game. So...yeah. By modding standards? Not great!
BringtheNoise Posted December 23, 2015 Posted December 23, 2015 going thru the comments on that page and there was this one It's still not as bad as the "Hulk wrecking Black Widow" gif" So a little googlefu and now I know what they were talking about... and now so do you http://i.imgur.com/BYbd4Fl.gif
Jarl Ballsdeep the Greater Posted December 28, 2015 Posted December 28, 2015 Well...this is certainly an ego booster for me since it took me like 5 minutes to get Sexlab up and running with all the mods. Not counting download times.
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