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Spyder Arachnid

Spyder Arachnid

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So, in case people are unaware, mod piracy is a thing now. I'm serious...piracy of SWS mods is now happening online. And this isn't the end to Skyrim modding. There are those who will soldier forward, making good mods, and tons of good mods that still exist.

 

Yeah noticed this as well. You can now download a Steam Paid Mods pack for free online. Rather funny in my opinion.

 

 

Welp, hope the modders are happy. Now people are pirating their mods because of this. So not only did they lose all rights to their mods, had their reputation destroyed, and are getting paid nothing because enough people won't buy their mod to make a profit, now their mods are being pirated.

 

Completely laughable.

doctorMe

doctorMe

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[–]redditsuckmyballs 134 points

6 hours ago 

Chesko has deleted his reddit account? What is going on? Why is the OP [deleted]?

[–]Pika2525 127 points

6 hours ago 

His twitter got deleted as well. Maybe he got tired of people spamming him with death threats?

[–]redditsuckmyballs 65 points

6 hours ago 

Death threats? really?

[–]Pika2525 153 points

6 hours ago 

Remember, this is the internet.

[–]RNDM_TSK 54 points

5 hours ago 

it's disgusting and rage inducing that this is even considered a valid excuse.

the anonymity that the Internet provides shouldn't be a justification for its users to behave this way.

[–]Glitched_Stupidity 14 points

2 hours ago 

There's a difference between an explanation and an excuse.

[–]Mastersarge 1 point

2 hours ago 

Can you justify it with death threats? No.

[–]SpotNL 15 points

4 hours ago 

It's really awful. A lot of people don't care about how awful the hyperbole is they use.

[–]Linksawake 3 points

an hour ago 

I'm always really sad when people pretend it doesn't happen, I saw this a lot whenever game devs or critics get attacked for whatever reason. People deny it and say they are drumming up sympathy... -_- it's really frustrating and sad to see, because there are people out there who have deep seated insecurities who will engage in negative behaviour and attack others.

[–]SpotNL 2 points

30 minutes ago 

Give a (wo)man a mask, and they will show you their true selves.

And even if it's only a small percentage of gamers who lash out like that, given the large volume of gamers, it's bound to be a huge number of people.

[–]supamesican 3 points

4 hours ago 

With the age we live in I'm honestly surprised its limited to the internet as much as it is. Its a terrible thing and the people that make them should be tracked down and thrown in jail.

[–]RNDM_TSK 1 point

26 minutes ago 

i wager its only a matter of time. /u/SankingDragon just shared with me a description of the online disinhibition effect. How long until peoples' complex come out IRL?

anonymity is great, its a blessing. obviously, one i'm taking advantage of. however, i'm not abusing that privilege by attacking people that disagree with me. I type much in the same way I talk.

the internet is proving more and more how dangerous of a double edged sword it is, and its only a matter of time until someone foolishly wields it with enough abandon to harm the rest of us

[–]thelastevergreen 1 point

15 minutes ago 

The simple answer is that no one is worried about getting their ass kicked over the internet. But IRL....well that's always a chance when your 8 - 16 years old, hormonally charged, and willing to take on the world with your potty mouth.

Thats why it's limited to the net.

[–]SankingDragon 4 points

3 hours ago 

You must not be familiar with the online disinhibition effect. Here, educate yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_disinhibition_effect

[–]RNDM_TSK 3 points

32 minutes ago 

I am not, and thank you. but i feel like this only justifies peoples' inability to show responsibility for their actions.

call me an idealist, or a fool

[–]DavidJCobbRiften 2 points

26 minutes ago 

It's funny that people still say "the Internet isn't real" and the way we act on it doesn't matter when in reality, we're disinhibited when we're on it. We act more like what we really are when we're on the web.

[–]Ric_Adbur 1 point

an hour ago 

There's a lot of children and young adults on the internet. Emotional maturity isn't a given. Kids are often dumb and cruel. Adults too for that matter. Doesn't mean that we should take internet death threats seriously. At least not the vast majority of them.

[–]thelastevergreen 1 point

12 minutes ago 

The kids I understand... but I've seen more than my fair share of 60 year old grandmothers of 5 acting like complete teenage asshats on social media when something they disagree with happens (mostly in politics or religion).

It always throws me for a loop when its grown-ass men and women acting like squabbling babies; name-calling each other like they were on a kindergarten playground.

[–]Oscuro87 2 points

4 hours ago 

It doesn't forgive the acts done by the people. Yes it's the internet, but no, it doesn't give you the right to send death threat to anyone.

[–]the_second 1 point

33 minutes ago 

And he is pissing off 12 year olds with bad impulse control.

[–]Beansareno1 -3 points

4 hours ago 

Nonono... its about ethics in the modding community....

/s

[–]Smrtis 20 points

5 hours ago 

Have you seen some of the rhetoric being flung around? Youd think were the fucking young turks come again.

After reading that OP for some reason I actually expected some sympathy, even if only in this thread. But nope, relentless.

[–]redditsuckmyballs 16 points

4 hours ago 

Damn, it seems like he went into this without malice and learned his lesson. What else do people want?

[–]SpotNL 10 points

4 hours ago 

That no one ever takes a risk, apparently.

[–]lupo_grigio 33 points

5 hours ago * 

You see, another reason why mods should be free. Because when it's free, no matter how worse its quality are, criticism doesn't matter much. But when you sell it with money, people will question its quality with their money.
Modders, once known as a bunch of amazing people who bring great mods to their favorite games and people. But one moment of greedy and bam! People see them no more or less as corporates filth like EA and Ubisoft. It's very sad, really. Look how Gaben - our lord and our savior changed the world in a day.

[–]DavidKimJongUn 8 points

4 hours ago 

The criticisms are affected by money, but mod authors aren't incentivized to respond to those criticisms if they are only making a 25% cut, while the customer pays 100%. I can't possibly see this working out.

[–]AML86 19 points

5 hours ago 

Someone claiming to be griefmyst(as grievousmyst), Chesko's collaborator for Arissa, was also in here. They were harassing Dark0ne(nexusmods admin), and possibly others, then deleted their account.

[–]redditsuckmyballs 9 points

4 hours ago 

Time to download Chesko's files from the Nexus.

[–]AML86 9 points

4 hours ago * 

Arissa is already gone. It's back up for now.

[–]redditsuckmyballs 13 points

4 hours ago 

I downloaded all his other files, but yeah I had Arissa's page open for an hour and was going to do it, come back and files are gone and after refresh, mod page is hidden. And here I was defending Chesko to other people. This is ridiculous.

[–]AML86 19 points

4 hours ago 

No its not, the damage is done, I do not want anything I freely gave before this event still up on this mod page no matter that the paid for version is being pulled.

And I guess ZZJay and Apachii will feel the same. They even more so, because their assets were included without a by-your-leave on a profit making mod. For me its a case of the author is now making mods for profit, and is no longer doing things in the spirit of the community that I love, the spirit in which my humble contribution to this mod was originally offered. And I no longer support it so would like the files I contributed removed.

Trust is gone. Original understanding is broken.

-- alt3rn1ty

That was in the nexus comments, which are all hidden now of course. He may have chosen to remove it because the authors he borrowed from are no longer comfortable with being included in his works. It's a real mess.

[–]redditsuckmyballs 6 points

4 hours ago 

Judging from his Arissa paid mod version he had removed any assets that weren't his, Arissa looked very different. There was no Apachii hair or anything like that. He mentioned that in his description.

[–]ROFLMAOtheNarwhal 6 points

3 hours ago 

I really think alt3rn1ty is being a freaking child about that. Chesko has admitted his mistake and withdrawn from the program. There's no reason why he should be blacklisted from the community.

[–]TheXenophobe 3 points

an hour ago 

his content, his decision.

 

Jazzby

Jazzby

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Death threats is too extreme. To be honest, I'm real sad for Chesko. Unlike some of the other modders who pretty much admitted to going with it on a whim, Chesko explained his reasoning for wanting to try this out VERY thoroughly. He even explained that he was going to create a system that allowed the paid content to be a 'pay to get it early' kind of thing, and that patient and understanding people who didn't want to do that would only have to wait 1-3 months(1 for updates, 3 for initial releases)for his mods to hit the Nexus, free of charge.

 

He looks to have digested everything about this situation slowly and made what he thought were the best decisions and responses for both testing out how this could potentially work, and at the same time keep people who wanted the mods to be free happy, all while being very open about the whole thing. I'd say this is half and half. Half Valve/Steam screwing him over on rights to things, and half unreasonable folk burning him at the stake without even hearing him out.

 

I really hope he comes back. I loved Frostfall, and read that he found a way to make it WAY less script intensive that he was working on for his new version that would also be made to work alongside Campfire. Not to mention Last Seed. I hope he returns. He made some damn fine mods.

mellowtraumatic

mellowtraumatic

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I gotta feel bad for all of the modders who chose to be involved in it but did they really not realize how terrible it could get? 

 

I'm not going to begrudge any modder who wants to do it but I could never try to charge for any of my mods. It just doesn't feel right to. 

Dingaling22

Dingaling22

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I will leave my opinion on this here:

 

 

While I think mod authors are entitled to ask for and recieve donations for their effort, having valve and bethesda in on this makes it questionable at best and downright dirty at worst.

 

Im certainly willing to donate to good mod authors, but I don't want valve and bethesda's grubby little hands on that money, frankly they don't deserve it. And blocking content we have already had access to behind a paywall is inexecusable, it would be less so for new games with currently little to no modding community at the time, but not for an established community that has been going for years.

pornphile

pornphile

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People don't seem overly troubled with monetizing mods in Team Fortress 2 & Dota 2, even at 75/25 split. I guess it's no small feat to go against dogma in Skyrim modding culture.

 

Regarding Chesko situation: talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

 

 

Dingaling22

Dingaling22

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People don't seem overly troubled with monetizing mods in Team Fortress 2 & Dota 2, even at 75/25 split. I guess it's no small feat to go against dogma in Skyrim modding culture.

 

Regarding Chesko situation: talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

 

If I remember correctly the monetizing of those games was right off the bat correct? If so thats a different story to suddenly just up and putting up a paywall where there used to be none... I can see why people are upset by that.

pornphile

pornphile

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People don't seem overly troubled with monetizing mods in Team Fortress 2 & Dota 2, even at 75/25 split. I guess it's no small feat to go against dogma in Skyrim modding culture.

 

Regarding Chesko situation: talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

 

If I remember correctly the monetizing of those games was right off the bat correct? If so thats a different story to suddenly just up and putting up a paywall where there used to be none... I can see why people are upset by that.

 

I guess it's no small feat to go against dogma in Skyrim modding culture.

 

Clearly people have no trouble compensating modders for mods. 75/25 split isn't even the issue. Paid mods isn't something Valve just cobbled together.

 

But when your modding world experiences a 180° paradigm shift(always wanted to use that word), people turn to dogma to see them through.

Jazzby

Jazzby

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Anyone got a link to the pirated mods?

Is it against the rules to say that those who've been following this on Reddit know the way to that? Censor this and warn me if it is.

Swissenergy

Swissenergy

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This situation at hand:

1. It sucks - fact is, businesses will always make business decisions.

2. Yes, it's actually happening - A quote from a former professor, "When changes happen, you either accept it (doesn't mean you like or agree with it) or get run over by it."

3. There's nothing that change this*

 

*Except for the underlying reason behind it all, MONEY. Screaming and yelling because you're pissed off or upset won't do anything. Don't misunderstand me, I'm just as angered and upset as other users are, I'm just trying to think rationally not emotionally.

 

There are only two things that could perhaps possibly change the "paying" for downloading mods but only one of which will make an impact:

1. Traffic (Users playing) - Skyrim is on its 3rd year and still is among the top games played on Steam, the reason for that is of course the FREE mods that users have done knowing that money was not involved. It makes business sense that Valve/Beth would want to use this for profit, as after all, it's Bethesda's game and tools(mostly) that are being used and hosted on the Valve run Steam site. Just like investing though, would you invest in a company that was declining? I wouldn't, thus if the number of players plummets to abysmal numbers, then it doesn't make sense to invest in something that is declining.

 

This doesn't protect future games at all (especially after the success of Skyrim and even Oblivion), but if Skyrim were to rapidly fall in the number of players then using resources to try and make money off it would be a waste of time.

 

Obviously this is almost 100% impossible that such a thing would happen, we're here because we enjoy playing Skyrim and don't want to stop and also 80-90% of the players aren't even aware of what's really happening. So a boycott is out of the picture.

 

2. Money (The only voice you have) - You don't speak with words or grammatically incorrect sentences, like the ones I write, for yourself to be heard, you speak with your wallet.

Money says everything, do not purchase any and I mean ANY mod from the workshop, do NOT BUY ANY Game that has mods you need to pay for.

 

The one and absolutely only chance in our wildest dreams for modding to become 100% free again, is to close your wallet.

 

Businesses make business decisions, but when businesses start to lose customers(don't care about) and their money(only care about) because of said business decision then, changes will happen. Doesn't mean that the changes will be better, could be worse, but if future Beth games like Fallout 4 and TES VI, come with "for sale" mods only then not buying/playing games those is the only way that changes might possibly occur.

 

This whole situation sucks, it really does and all that I can think of is why do have to be so greedy? Aren't you satisfied with what you have? But of course that never EVER true in business. I do think that Valve/Beth are playing too aggressive here, they're jeopardising the reason behind Skyrim's 3+ years of success, the mods. Without mods Skyrim would be no where near as big as it is now. Sure some would still be playing it, but not in the 30,000-50,000+ range every day. If mods cost money then it destroys the modders desire to make what they would like, instead now they're forced to make whatever brings in more money (boobs, boobs and more boobs).

I know, I did the whole YouTube thing for almost 3 years, did decent with it and once money became a part of making videos, things changed from what I enjoyed making, to what will get me more views. The same will happen with mods, not immediately though but before too long you'll see what I mean.  

 

I do applaud the modders against the "pay for download" mods, as in reality they have more of a say in how this situation unfolds than the rest of us put together.

Sleeping4Ever

Sleeping4Ever

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I bought skyrim two times first time on ps3 then for PC after stumbling into the marvelous world of mods. I think I paid Beth enough money. If I have to invest more money into skyrim it will only be when what I pays go straight into the mod authors pockets.I think Beth and Steam shouldn't and are not entitled to any cut of the profits that modding can make since its the authors that are working and those two companies are basically collecting the fruits of those author's labor especially with that 25/75 cut. I really think that if authors want to sell their content they should at least be smart enough to not let other people make a profit out of their work. I  believe that its better to net get paid than to just whore yourself to some companies that wont even give you half of the profit that your work created while they just sit down relax and just chill in their meeting room.

 

I really hope the plague known as greed will not infest modding and that instead the authors get more retribution for their hard work which they have no obligation to give us access to
 

merryMalfunctioning

merryMalfunctioning

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So is Chesko gone for good? I mean, it's no big loss at this point... It just sucks that he decided to abandon the community in favour of greed in the first place.

 

I'd have taken his whining more seriously if he had been giving part of his 25% to the makers of SKSE, part of it to Fore, and part of it to the makers of all the other free tools he used. You can't leech off of a free community and then act entitled to keep all the profits.

ao2thend

ao2thend

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At this point, I'd like to hear something, anything from Bethesda/Zenimax/Valve about what they will do now that they have seen such a heaping pile of backlash.  If they actually care about the few customers they have left, and don't want to have assorted fruits, vegetables and throwing stars tossed at them everywhere they go, they will most likely say/do something soon to dump a small bucket of water on this large uncontrolled forest fire of a debacle.  

 

Of course that would be the responsible thing to do, but i'm betting that they will sit on this, and hope it dies out so they can go ahead with their plans to do this for FO4 and other future games because they weren't forced to stop anything by community pressure.  

 

What do you all think?  First off has there been any official statement from any of the involved companies about this?  If not, what do you think they'll do? 

 

I know they already have said some small stuff here and there, but no official statements were made yet (were they?). 

Jexsam

Jexsam

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Chesko's also the only mod author I'm aware of that said he would continue updating his mods for free, just a few months after the paid update went out. None of the other modders I'd heard about taking part made similar claims. Chesko, for making as bad a decision to start with as he did, at least attempted to come up with a solution that didn't permanently lock his stuff behind the paywall. I won't say he didn't deserve decisive backlash for reneging on his previous claims of not going paid, but to speak of him like he's straight out of Mos Eisley is uncalled for.

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