GrimReaper Posted November 29, 2019 Posted November 29, 2019 8 hours ago, megamantaray said: That just means when they do put on these shows with SJWs that don't even have a good enough knowledge base to lie properly it's very much intended, no? Not necessarily. It's just that the system produces one-sided content. For example: A likes B but dislikes Y (B and Y can be anything from people to ideas) A only says positive things about B and only negative things about Y. Those don't have to be lies but what A says about B and Y always serves a purpose. If B and Y did something of equal value, the bias decides what A will say. If they both did something good, only B will be mentioned. If they did something bad, only Y will be mentioned. This is obviously manipulation but without the use of lies, technically speaking. There's also X that likes Y but dislikes B, it's the same for them. There doesn't need to be a conspiracy or agenda behind the system itself. It's basic human nature that you think you're right and the other one is wrong, hence you're more likely to see the things you want to be true in a positive light and the things you want to be wrong in a negative light. The key point to take away here is that there are no exceptions to this. Just because you like B more than Y or vice versa doesn't mean you're the only one who is able to see the truth.
2dk2c.2 Posted November 29, 2019 Posted November 29, 2019 There *must* be exceptions. Greta Van Susteren is one of the good ones. If A was banned or outed or on TMZ for cheating, if they groped a woman and someone else saw and now it's all "we're shocked and outraged" it won't do B a lot of good. B will leave quietly, leaving a vacuum for Y to fill. Y may or may not be qualified, they just get automatically more respected. X has every right to dislike B Y, the bounding cad. And if anyone professes to dislike one or the other, their (B,Y, the one being dissed's) gender,color,race, creed and headwear will be brought to the fore and the disapproving one will be damned to twitter-hell. #lifeisunfair (I'm seething at the pomposity of the world. Life isn't only unfair, they rub it it like you're some mentally deficient remedial client who just doesn't get it and their pompous ways. I swear I don't know what you're protesting, and if you tried that here you'd get arrested or shot, but you're the flavor right this second, and we love you because we hate Them.) And when you get into line with a week's full of groceries and a woman with a carrot or a man with a candybar comes up just behind. NO One will read this~! O, hello, candybarholder nonusnomeni, please, go ahead. .
GrimReaper Posted November 29, 2019 Posted November 29, 2019 10 hours ago, 2dk2c.2 said: There *must* be exceptions. Greta Van Susteren is one of the good ones. If A was banned or outed or on TMZ for cheating, if they groped a woman and someone else saw and now it's all "we're shocked and outraged" it won't do B a lot of good. B will leave quietly, leaving a vacuum for Y to fill. Y may or may not be qualified, they just get automatically more respected. X has every right to dislike B Y, the bounding cad. And if anyone professes to dislike one or the other, their (B,Y, the one being dissed's) gender,color,race, creed and headwear will be brought to the fore and the disapproving one will be damned to twitter-hell. #lifeisunfair (I'm seething at the pomposity of the world. Life isn't only unfair, they rub it it like you're some mentally deficient remedial client who just doesn't get it and their pompous ways. I swear I don't know what you're protesting, and if you tried that here you'd get arrested or shot, but you're the flavor right this second, and we love you because we hate Them.) And when you get into line with a week's full of groceries and a woman with a carrot or a man with a candybar comes up just behind. NO One will read this~! O, hello, candybarholder nonusnomeni, please, go ahead. . It's not about anyone in particular, it's about the system itself. B and Y are replacable, A and X function as publishers sometimes disguising themselves as platforms. So even if you're a part of A and want to have a more nuanced discussion about B and X the system will twist you into serving its needs eventually. Most people simply do not have enough endurance or backing to change the status quo. Not to mention that the audience will tune in for A (or X) to hear what they always have to say. This also happens in the sciences, which is why we're currently facing the replication crisis. Studies don't stand for themselves, they have to serve the established dogma on one hand and need to be numerous on the other. The acquisition of knowledge is secondary at best, the interest in furthering your career is the primary motivation for most scientists. And if you're one that values knowledge more than politics, you will quickly sink to the bottom where you're voice won't be heard anymore. Naturally, this means that at the end of the day, the scientists that value their standing and career more than anything will be the only ones still standing when the dust settles.
megamantaray Posted December 2, 2019 Posted December 2, 2019 On 11/28/2019 at 3:39 PM, RitualClarity said: I believe that is the default way they do ice cream now. I can't be 100% but I have had that happen many times myself. (well when I am with someone that actually eats that stuff as it isn't actual ice"cream" . I actually learned from a friend of mine who works at one that the reason they say it's "broken" is because those machines are extremely finicky to clean and in order to stay within the cleanliness and health guidelines they gotta do it thoroughly. It can take up to 4 hours to clean them entirely and so instead of saying "sorry we're cleaning" which would make the Karens of the world REEE they say it's broken. Very interesting. Still annoying.
RitualClarity Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 7 hours ago, megamantaray said: I actually learned from a friend of mine who works at one that the reason they say it's "broken" is because those machines are extremely finicky to clean and in order to stay within the cleanliness and health guidelines they gotta do it thoroughly. It can take up to 4 hours to clean them entirely and so instead of saying "sorry we're cleaning" which would make the Karens of the world REEE they say it's broken. Very interesting. Still annoying. Also. they say it is broken because they just don't what to clean that shit
megamantaray Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 13 minutes ago, RitualClarity said: Also. they say it is broken because they just don't what to clean that shit Could be that too, frankly can't blame 'em if it is that, the machine looks really annoying to clean if you look up pictures of it.
gregathit Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 7 hours ago, megamantaray said: It can take up to 4 hours to clean them entirely and so instead of saying "sorry we're cleaning" which would make the Karens of the world REEE they say it's broken. Very interesting. Still annoying. Just to mess with people, I'd tell them they are too fat to have any. I'd say I have to enter their weight to "unlock" the machine. Let the good times roll and make sure to have the camera rolling!!!!! ? Oh and I want to waffle stomp folks that refuse to clean up after themselves at the coffee counter at work. You know who you are. Freaking savages.
megamantaray Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, gregathit said: Just to mess with people, I'd tell them they are too fat to have any. I'd say I have to enter their weight to "unlock" the machine. Let the good times roll and make sure to have the camera rolling!!!!! ? Oh and I want to waffle stomp folks that refuse to clean up after themselves at the coffee counter at work. You know who you are. Freaking savages. Lol, might as well make the day fun if you're already working there. Gotta imagine it's soul-sucking. Only work I had in the service industry was at a fairly uptight high-brow restaurant and it was the worst few months of my life, I can't imagine working fast food. I recall one specific dude that was a regular on Fridays, guy ate like a pig and left droppings all over the table and floor but he was a regular and he always ate a lot so we had to deal with it, he was especially shitty around the female servers, always hitting on us. Anyone else we'd be able to reject or ignore of course, but because it was him we'd have to play along at least a bit so he didn't stop coming and left big tips. At some point I think he died or something cos he stopped coming around, in the back of my mind I had this bad feeling he did something to someone, probably paranoia but he always had this dead fish look in his eyes I didn't like. If there's one major pet peeve I have though is people eating with their mouths full or open-mouthed chewing and he was just the loudest motherfucker I'd ever seen, I shudder thinking about it even now and that was easily 8-9 years ago. Looked like Jabba just chomping away at those chicken wings. Ughhh...
megamantaray Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 Spoiler Can't do edgy content or you get flagged, can't do family friendly content or you get flagged. Thanks, COPPA. No revenue either way, and possibly $40k fine PER VIDEO if Youtube's fucking bots forcibly flag your video as either kid-friendly or adult-oriented and the FTC feels otherwise. Which are both bad still because either of these totally retarded groups can fuck up and the other will fuck you! All this because 'Murica's off pointing fingers again. Blame media, blame games, blame Youtube, but BY ALL MEANS do not fucking BE A PARENT and control the shit your kids absorb. Fucking Christ. (Ignore the title, he's having a giggle, or don't watch the video at all it's fine too, just look up COPPA.) The literature on the law itself is so fucking vague as well, if they THINK you're aiming your content at kids which means referencing anything like toys, games, music, pets, etc. but you're actually making content for an adult which means cursing(which you can't do because you get demonetised), violence(video games are kid things but they're also not so fuck you!), or anything news related you can arbitrarily get fined. I think I posted an animation before about this but I didn't rant in it like I am here, same idea. Spoiler In essence it means if you're on Youtube you can't make content for adults because that includes cursing or coarse language or edgy jokes, etc. because you get demonetised, but you also can't be referencing anything that relates to children which arbitrarily means toys or things like that because that just doesn't get ad revenue, period. Pewdiepie in that video lists a few channels that have been struck by this, one of them is a channel that talks about figurines but not toys, collectables, including R-Rated ones and a channel that I believe is all about dolls, but it's instructional videos and in-depth coverage on how to make dolls and such. Neither of which is for kids but they were both flagged as for kids by the youtube bots. Great. He talks about channels he knows personally as well, other Youtubers he's done videos with. Essentially if you've played Minecraft, or Fortnite regardless of how edgy your commentary is or what you do in those games you can be flagged as a children's channel. Even though the Youtubers he mentions curse a ton and are always yelling. His own audience is mostly late teens but because he's made Minecraft videos his content despite being edgy and adult-oriented, dumb jokes aside, can be flagged as kiddie content. Does this even go here? It's a rant but I'm pissed about it, these threads are redundant. :L
FauxFurry Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 13 minutes ago, megamantaray said: Reveal hidden contents Can't do edgy content or you get flagged, can't do family friendly content or you get flagged. Thanks, COPPA. That reminds me of this scene from The Hudsucker Proxy.
megamantaray Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 1 minute ago, FauxFurry said: That reminds me of this scene from The Hudsucker Proxy. Disgustingly accurate.
Daedric_Cat Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 20 hours ago, RitualClarity said: Also. they say it is broken because they just don't what to clean that shit Years ago some guy shot up a Mcdonalds when told that the ice cream machine was broken.
RitualClarity Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Daedric_Cat said: Years ago some guy shot up a Mcdonalds when told that the ice cream machine was broken. "Must be a side effect of eating too much dessert" 0:35 Always makes me think of what is in that shit.
RitualClarity Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 23 hours ago, megamantaray said: Could be that too, frankly can't blame 'em if it is that, the machine looks really annoying to clean if you look up pictures of it. From what I was told.. they have to break it completely apart and clean each piece in the triple sink.. Clean, sanitize and rinse.. etc.
megamantaray Posted December 4, 2019 Posted December 4, 2019 19 minutes ago, RitualClarity said: From what I was told.. they have to break it completely apart and clean each piece in the triple sink.. Clean, sanitize and rinse.. etc. Yup yup, everything short of picking it up off the floor and getting a new one in parts from IKEA. And you gotta do it daily.
megamantaray Posted December 4, 2019 Posted December 4, 2019 Spoiler Some animal species will go very far to be lazy, I've seen dogs pretend their legs are broken to get snacks or just actively refuse to do tricks which is fine, I've seen cats do silly things, mine loves to climb up into my shirt and be taken everywhere, that's adorable. Others just play dead to get some pity rubs or yell when their favourite toy isn't within reach. Humans, oh we're a special kind of stupid, we're actively enabling self-destructive behaviour on our kids so we don't have to do anything about the world fucking ending.
Daedric_Cat Posted December 4, 2019 Posted December 4, 2019 22 hours ago, RitualClarity said: "Must be a side effect of eating too much dessert" 0:35 Always makes me think of what is in that shit. Then there was the twinkie defense.
winny257 Posted December 4, 2019 Posted December 4, 2019 On 11/23/2019 at 8:45 PM, Wisky said: The world would be better if a giant asteroid hit the earth. Thanks ♥ It would not be better, because everything dies! The animals can not anything for the stupidity of humans.
steelpanther24 Posted December 5, 2019 Posted December 5, 2019 On 12/2/2019 at 9:15 PM, megamantaray said: All this because 'Murica's off pointing fingers again. Blame media, blame games, blame Youtube, but BY ALL MEANS do not fucking BE A PARENT and control the shit your kids absorb. Fucking Christ. (Ignore the title, he's having a giggle, or don't watch the video at all it's fine too, just look up COPPA.) Really? Only a fool would believe that. This is NBC, ABC, CBS, NetFlix, HBO, etc etc. working to protect market share. Most people, (at least gen X men, as well as younger generations) tend to watch more youtube than anything else. So, how can big TV gain back some of the market share? You might say "Get better content" or "deliver your product better' but as political parties (in the US, can't speak for other countries) have discovered, it is far easier to trip up your opponent through shitty laws like this one. This law will NOT affect the majority of channels. A couple of US based content creators who are "edgy" (think Shoeinhead or ssniperwolf) will likely get smashed as examples along with a few little fish, then advertisers will flee back to broadcast TV and the law will go unenforced. A few show trials, and the content will go away for a while, letting big TV catch up and secure the best content creators for their own networks (i.e. buy the rights to Oddonesout content or Pepe le Pew pig or whatever it is called content), shelve it and go back to making barely decent shows. While it pains me to say this, I think COPPA is payment to the major networks and has nothing to do with helping people. The UG Gov't knows better than to stick its nose too far into the average American's house, though sometimes they forget (prohibition anyone?). At least the EU's well meaning but totally prone to be abused by bad actors "right to be forgotten" law attempts to help normal people. It will just suck that some con people will be able to work their con game over and over after suing to "be forgotten".
megamantaray Posted December 5, 2019 Posted December 5, 2019 10 hours ago, steelpanther24 said: Only a fool would believe that. Ok boomer. Youtube Kids came about because "AAA THINK OF THE CHILLEN" but there's no point making alternatives if parents don't know or don't care, same with age restrictions, or website warnings, it was wholly ineffective as it usually is and Youtube got fined because parents weren't using the dedicated kid app, kids ended up watching shit on Youtube because that's where everything is. Blame the platform, not the parents, it's always the platform not the organic filter that should exist in real life for children. This goes back to Video Games again, goes back to music earlier still, and further back even comic books, or even normal storybooks. This has always been a thing. Old Media's clumsily trying to step on New Media to get ahead, yeah, but that's just our version of this trend, this goes beyond corporate greed, it's parents refusing to do their job and it's always been a thing. That said that was a single sentence out of my entire rant and you decided to call me an idiot over it. Thanks.
steelpanther24 Posted December 8, 2019 Posted December 8, 2019 On 12/5/2019 at 9:56 AM, megamantaray said: Ok boomer. <snip> That said that was a single sentence out of my entire rant and you decided to call me an idiot over it. Thanks. That is certainly one way of looking at it. Anyway, COPPA will face a tough battle in court because, contrary to your statements, Youtube was fined for collecting data on viewers who are defined as children without consent. A content creator does not participate in any of the collection of user data, unless they as people to voluntarily provide that data. It would take some fancy lawyering to draw the connection between a Youtube practice governed/controlled/implementing to a content creator. In short, this new law will be as strong as CDA (1996), CIPA (1998) and COPA (2000), all of which have had key provisions struck down or are currently being challenged in court (with an injunction against enforcement.) None of the challenges used the presumed duty of parents to monitor their children's activities as a reason to challenge the law, but feel free to attribute the darkest interpretation to a single statement of those who are on your side of the COPPA issue (though for different reasons.)
2dk2c.2 Posted December 8, 2019 Posted December 8, 2019 "and then came the drama" I'm pissed but only to be topical
megamantaray Posted December 8, 2019 Posted December 8, 2019 16 hours ago, steelpanther24 said: That is certainly one way of looking at it. Anyway, COPPA will face a tough battle in court because, contrary to your statements, Youtube was fined for collecting data on viewers who are defined as children without consent. A content creator does not participate in any of the collection of user data, unless they as people to voluntarily provide that data. It would take some fancy lawyering to draw the connection between a Youtube practice governed/controlled/implementing to a content creator. In short, this new law will be as strong as CDA (1996), CIPA (1998) and COPA (2000), all of which have had key provisions struck down or are currently being challenged in court (with an injunction against enforcement.) None of the challenges used the presumed duty of parents to monitor their children's activities as a reason to challenge the law, but feel free to attribute the darkest interpretation to a single statement of those who are on your side of the COPPA issue (though for different reasons.) They were collecting data on children because children were using the normal Youtube app and had accounts when they shouldn't have had them, Youtube Kids was made for the express purpose of children using it but kids still end up using the normal version because parents don't know and don't care. The TOS clearly states you gotta be 13 or older to register but a parent doesn't look at that, it then becomes the platform's responsibility to take care of some boomer's kids. It all leads back to parents being shit, yeah the government and these old media giants are being opportunistic and using it to take Youtube down a peg or two but it's a parenting issue at the core that's creating that opportunity, and an issue that's been around since the 20s. I get that the other laws you mentioned didn't necessarily outright state this was the reason for their creation but COPPA is pretty explicit about kid-friendly content and what can and can't be on Youtube without explicitly saying so before uploading a video. Problem is Youtube is a different beast now and at the end of the day this will end up hurting creators regardless because Youtube's already plugged in their new bots to sift through content and forcibly flag it as child-friendly or adult content using arbitrary data, they're mostly going through videos uploaded before this change but it's very much affecting a bunch of channels whose content isn't child-friendly necessarily, or directed at them but the bots think so. The creators now can't make mature content because it doesn't make them money, they can't curse or be edgy because it doesn't allow them monetisation this has been a thing for a while. HOWEVER, they also can't be too kiddy because the bots will flag them for just playing Minecraft or showing toys since they're so good at what they do, so if they don't curse and they play Minecraft it's flagged and if they're flagged they're not allowed to be monetised because you can't have ads on kids' stuff I think. I think animators are gonna have it the worst because they don't typically curse in their animations and a LOT of them are artsy edgy stuff but the bots don't detect that. Like Runmo: Spoiler Either way it's a stupid law. 14 hours ago, 2dk2c.2 said: "and then came the drama" I'm pissed but only to be topical <snip> That's one of my favourite skits. It's been a long time since I've watched SNL.
Guest Posted December 8, 2019 Posted December 8, 2019 On 12/4/2019 at 4:00 PM, winny257 said: It would not be better, because everything dies! The animals can not anything for the stupidity of humans. Death is just another stage of life, don't worry about it. Humans are the most stupid living being on earth, we agree on that.
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