Sanguine Debauchery (SD+) (January 2025)

[DeepBlueFrog]

 

 

 

 

 

Ok.. in that case, you can stop worrying... this is normal behavior for SD+

 

The sex scenes managed by SD+ have some built in logic to adapt to the situation.

 

This is to enforce gender restrictions from the menu and to prevent some animation from playing when it doesn't make sense. For example, there should be no oral sex if you character is using a gag.

 

The reason I asked about Devious Devices is that, if you are wearing a Chastity Belt, you will in effect remove both anal and vaginal animations from your range of choices.

 

I am still tweaking that system, and it is possible it will result in impossible choices for SexLab.

 

Take a look at your logs. There should be messages about SexLab searching for available animations based on tags.

This will tell you what the system is looking for and if it found any animation matching the tags.

 

 

I figured that was likely the case, but there seems to be an error in the system. This ONLY effects one or two races, and it changes depending on what I have gender preference set to. Also, the restrictions don't make sense, I have no gags or anything on (except the usual arm/leg chains) and yet Nords currently only play one animation (I think rough behind, can't remember but it's either that one or the very similar kneeling one) from the ones I have selected as "Aggressive" (all the default aggressive animations + a few extra and - fisting). I'll check my logs and maybe I can find the tag that's limiting it so much.

 

 

Also.. is this for Coveted or Hate Rape animations? or does it happen for slavery animations as well?

 

It would help if you could get a copy of the logs with the selection of tags from SexLab when that happens. 

[pearson]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ok.. in that case, you can stop worrying... this is normal behavior for SD+

 

The sex scenes managed by SD+ have some built in logic to adapt to the situation.

 

This is to enforce gender restrictions from the menu and to prevent some animation from playing when it doesn't make sense. For example, there should be no oral sex if you character is using a gag.

 

The reason I asked about Devious Devices is that, if you are wearing a Chastity Belt, you will in effect remove both anal and vaginal animations from your range of choices.

 

I am still tweaking that system, and it is possible it will result in impossible choices for SexLab.

 

Take a look at your logs. There should be messages about SexLab searching for available animations based on tags.

This will tell you what the system is looking for and if it found any animation matching the tags.

 

 

I figured that was likely the case, but there seems to be an error in the system. This ONLY effects one or two races, and it changes depending on what I have gender preference set to. Also, the restrictions don't make sense, I have no gags or anything on (except the usual arm/leg chains) and yet Nords currently only play one animation (I think rough behind, can't remember but it's either that one or the very similar kneeling one) from the ones I have selected as "Aggressive" (all the default aggressive animations + a few extra and - fisting). I'll check my logs and maybe I can find the tag that's limiting it so much.

 

 

Also.. is this for Coveted or Hate Rape animations? or does it happen for slavery animations as well?

 

It would help if you could get a copy of the logs with the selection of tags from SexLab when that happens. 

 

 

Slavery animations. I have Coveted and the Artifact disabled. I'll get you that log in a bit.

[Clangeddon]

 

im having an issue with the dream sequence. I already went in the dream the first time and sanguine let me go. but when I go back to bed  it keeps sending me back. I need to rest. my Char is tired.

 

Someone noticed that it was possible to break that cycle after sleeping more than 4 hours... try that.

 

I still haven't been able to reproduce that but I found a couple of places that can create that situation and fixed them. It will be part of the next update.

 

 

 

im having an issue with the dream sequence. I already went in the dream the first time and sanguine let me go. but when I go back to bed  it keeps sending me back. I need to rest. my Char is tired.

I was (am) still having the issue...4 hours worked...for a bit...now it's back to every time :-\ lol...just reinstalled everything too :-(

[pinky6225]

I've just updated FNIS to 5.0.2 as i figured I'd try and get it working before it becomes a requirement but when I run the generator it doesn't seem to find the SD+ version but I can't honestly remember if there was a version number listed when you ran the 4.1.1 generator so should FNIS be finding 1.15?

 

At the moment that part of the FNIS report looks like

 

Reading sanguinesDebauchery V?.? ...

 

But everything seems to work ingame

[DeepBlueFrog]

I've just updated FNIS to 5.0.2 as i figured I'd try and get it working before it becomes a requirement but when I run the generator it doesn't seem to find the SD+ version but I can't honestly remember if there was a version number listed when you ran the 4.1.1 generator so should FNIS be finding 1.15?

 

At the moment that part of the FNIS report looks like

 

Reading sanguinesDebauchery V?.? ...

 

But everything seems to work ingame

 

FNIS 5.0.2 is missing version numbers on many mods... it doesn't seem to be an issue so far.

[pearson]

Alright so I got the log. To test I started a completely new game, made my character, let everything settle for a bit, and then started SD+ from the MCM menu. Then, I spawned a male Nord NPC and got him to fight and enslave me. The tags it searched for were "aggressive" "anal" and "doggy style" which left it with "Rough Doggy Style" as the only animation it found. Then, I did the exact same thing except with a Breton NPC, and the tags it searched for were "aggressive" "dirty" "doggystyle" "anal" "doggystyle" (yes, doggystyle twice) and that returned 0 animations, then it says "GetByDefault" and returns all aggressive animations (so I was able to cycle through the entire list of aggressive animations with the Breton NPC). What's supposed to be happening here?

 

Coveted is off, the artifact is off, gender preference was set to "opposite only", hardcore mode was off, everything else was left at default.

[Mdy]

Hi, I need some help updating. I installed 113 with Nexus Mod Manager, but am in the meantime using Mod Organizer to allow for different profiles. Will it work if I simply do the virtual install of the new version with MO and deactivate the old one?

 

MO uses your Skyrim folder as a skeleton and forming the body virtually.

So if you'd already installed SD in your Skyrim folder (manually or NMM, guessing WryeBash, too), then make sure to delete the old one.

 

Dunno what MO does when importing NMM mods. Switched to MO when my HDD died.

 

If I'm wrong, please correct me, thanks.

[DeepBlueFrog]

Alright so I got the log. To test I started a completely new game, made my character, let everything settle for a bit, and then started SD+ from the MCM menu. Then, I spawned a male Nord NPC and got him to fight and enslave me. The tags it searched for were "aggressive" "anal" and "doggy style" which left it with "Rough Doggy Style" as the only animation it found. Then, I did the exact same thing except with a Breton NPC, and the tags it searched for were "aggressive" "dirty" "doggystyle" "anal" "doggystyle" (yes, doggystyle twice) and that returned 0 animations, then it says "GetByDefault" and returns all aggressive animations (so I was able to cycle through the entire list of aggressive animations with the Breton NPC). What's supposed to be happening here?

 

Coveted is off, the artifact is off, gender preference was set to "opposite only", hardcore mode was off, everything else was left at default.

 

Ok. Thanks for looking.

 

I found leftovers from an early attempt at a more dynamic selection of animations.

 

The basic sex effect looks at the morality of the NPC and selected either 'aggressive, dirty, doggystyle' for low morality and just 'aggressive' for high morality.

 

On top of that, other tags are added based on what you wear (gags) and gender restrictions.

 

I will check why the two doggystyle are added.

[draginass1968]

Ok I will apolagize beforehand if this has been covered before. But I am running prison overhaul and SD but when I get imprisoned and sleep of course I get woke up by a guard having sex with my toon. Then I get the SD dream sequence start but I get CTD right then also. Is there anything to help with this?

[pinky6225]

Ok I will apolagize beforehand if this has been covered before. But I am running prison overhaul and SD but when I get imprisoned and sleep of course I get woke up by a guard having sex with my toon. Then I get the SD dream sequence start but I get CTD right then also. Is there anything to help with this?

 

I have prison overhaul as well and the simplest way is just to use wait rather than rest to get through the interim between the guard attacks till you get out.

 

It shouldn't CTD though but will just count as escaping when you go back to the cell which can mess it up (when this has happened to me i've been able to surrender to the guards again and just spent a extra day in prison)

 

[DeepBlueFrog]

Ok I will apolagize beforehand if this has been covered before. But I am running prison overhaul and SD but when I get imprisoned and sleep of course I get woke up by a guard having sex with my toon. Then I get the SD dream sequence start but I get CTD right then also. Is there anything to help with this?

 

That's an issue with the dream sequence kicking in after sex already started with the guard.

 

You will also see that occasionally with Dangerous Nights and SD+.

 

I have not found a good way to check if sex already started before starting the teleport to Dreamworld.

[draginass1968]

Ok Thank you both Pinky and Skyrim for your replies. I will just do the wait thing instead of sleep.

[xboronx]

 

In SD+, I am still getting a kick from the random slave comments NPCs are giving my character ('out without a leash dog?').

 

 

Those are nice indeed, and i'm having great fun with apropos, adding lots of messages. And the mod has so much additional potential.

 

I think replacing "dog" with "bitch" would make this line even better.

 

 

 

Thanks. If you have any idea along those lines.

 

One of my favorite mods is 'Give anyone a gift'... very simple and so useful.

 

 

 

I have some ideas indeed.

 

Beggar:

-Add a very small chance to get reported to the guards. This would simply mean a small bounty of 10-50 gold.

-Add a small chance they give you a food or drink item instead of money.

 

Guards:

I always like corrupt guards, and they haven't gotten too much attention by mods so far afaik. Life as a guard in a Skyrim ancient/medieval like environment should be pretty harsh, and boring at the same time. So many of them shouldn't be much better than the bandits they shall guard the city from and abuse their power by forcing people to bribe them.

I suggest that they randomly approach you, unless you are a thane of the city, and have the following options:

 

-If wearing a sleazy outfit or naked (checked via sexlab arousal for example) they stop you assuming you are a prostitute. They say something like prostitutes have to pay for a prostitution license, demanding ~50-100 gold. You have the following dialogue options then:

  - "Ok, i pay, you cutthroat"

  - "I don't have the money" Guard replies: "Ok, then pay in kind. You have a nice body, show me if you're a good whore". You can accept then, resulting in a random sex scene, or refuse, then the Guard says something nasty and reports you, resulting in a 100-200 gold bounty.

   -Intimation check, refuse to pay. If the check succeeds nothing happens, if it fails the guard rapes you, says something very filthy afterwards and gives you a 200-300 gold bounty.

 

-If clothed normally they might approach you with some random made up story, demanding an obscure tax, like the guards when you enter Rifton the first time. You can either pay then, suggest to pay with sex or try to intimidate them. So it would be the same like above, just the starting line would be different.

 

 

Tavern:

"Flirt" option, the purpose is to get invited, thus getting a free meal/drinks.

Possible results:

-NPC accepts, you get a free meal/drink.

-NPC accepts, but disappears quickly, letting you pay.

-NPC accepts, afterwards wants sex. Then the NPC either gives you a small tip or asks for payment. If you refuse, report to guards, bounty of 50-100 gold.

-NPC accepts, you both drink a lot, blackout, then Sanguine beams you to him in his dreamworld, mocking you a bit, laughing at your poor drinking abilities.

 

Skooma addiction:

Maybe you could make a simple needs plugin. Each time you drink Skooma you have a small percent chance to get addicted. You have to drink a bottle of Skooma like every 3 days. If you fail to do so and are not enslaved currently, you get withdrawal symptoms, resulting in a blackout. Then you wake up somewhere in Skyrim randomly, having lost the addiction, but also random amounts of equipment and remember nothing.

Alternatively Sanguine could beam you to his dreamworld, cure you, but also punish you in some way, like randomly sending you back to Skyrim bound, grumbling something about his disappointment that the dragonborn became a dumb skoomawhore.

 

Alcohol addiction:

RND adds many nice alcoholic drinks and a drunkeness gauge. Maybe you could alter RND.

Inebriation has 5 stages: With visual and stumbling effects.
Sober - I'm sober. (no bonus or negative effect)
Dizzy - Good stuff, just a bit dizzy. Unarmed Damage +5, Damage Resist +10.
Drunk - My head is spinning. Unarmed Damage +10, Speech -15, Magicka regeneration -15, Spells 50% less effective, duration -50%.
Wasted - I'm completely wasted...Magicka and Stamina regeneration -25, Spells 85% less effective, duration -85%.
Blackout - Knocks you out right on the spot, only to wake up 4 hours later head spinning. 

From the RND page at nexus. If you are an alcoholic you get stat boosts and normal vision instead as long as you are not sober. If you are sober you get severe penalties instead, cumulating the longer you are without alcohol.

 

This would add another immersive way to play a whore/beggar style character, because the alcohol is expensive, thus leading to a much higher daily upkeep. Furthermore the random rape chance from NPCs could be higher while you are drunk.

 

- Vigilants wrath

 

Some mods add more traveling Vigilants of Stendar, for example the populated series. So they are not that uncommon anymore .

They should do something mean to you once you are Sanguines plaything, after all you are under daedric influence then. If you can somehow make a check for the environment where you meet them if you meet them in the wilds they should immediately attack you and try to enslave you, then walk you to the hall of the vigilants, if you meet them in a town it could get a bit nasty and mess things up if they attack you there then. Not sure what should happen then.

 

Maybe as a long term goal you could modify the hall of vigilants a bit then so they do something more special to you there than in normal enslavements. The focus could be more on exorcism through torture then.

 

-Travelling dibella sisters

 

Not sure what should happen if you meet traveling dibella sisters when you are already quite corrupted by Sanguine, but they should do something special then too. Maybe send bounty hunters after you, who march you to the dibella temple when you are enslaved, where the sisters try to cure you from Sanguine with dibellan arts.

 

Very longterm goal could be to add a Dibella plane and Dibella, who also saves you from death like Sanguine, so that you can chose your favorite sex god then. Depending who is your god then, Sanguine or Dibella, you have either more troubles with the authorities or villains then during your travels through Skyrim, and the worshippers of the opposing god try to enslave or abduct you and somehow bring them to their side.

 

 

Very long post, hopefully it inspires you, feel free to implement any of the ideas if you like them

[highjenks]

Has anyone seen an issue where when you click the Uninstall from the MCM that it kills your character. IE you can't uninstall.

After I click the uninstall options I exit. It says it is preparing to update Sanguine Debauchery. then my Character falls over dead and my save reloads.

[elfenlieds6]

"Eventually, I am hoping we can come up with a better way to upgrade the script and restart key quests so that they take the new scripts into account. Until then, it is better to use SD+ on new save games."

 

Really wish we can have this come out soon... As I cannot upgrade the patch since 1.12, I can't test anything on it then...

[Vithiss]

I am really liking the begging option so far, thanks for that.

I also like the idea that sometimes you might get food instead of money.

It would also be nice, though maybe outside the scope of SD, if the priests and priestesses, where they occur, did occasional things for "the needy" ... casting a curative spell on them, or something restoration-ish, again, instead of money (even though Danica raped my pc the last two times their paths crossed )

 

An MCM option for Coveted/HateRape scenes to include being irretrievably robbed of some of your stuff (giving you a kick while you're down) could be fun for some play-throughs too I think. Irretrievably, I am thinking, because it is "some" not all, and I am also thinking that this would cover things that might get lost and destroyed in the process of the hostile rape and have the most impact on the pc when they have next to nothing so it could have a quite low septim value cap. But, if you're begging, and those ragged robes were the only clothes you had.... and so forth.

 

I also have thought that the Vigilants should, eventually at least, have issues with Sanguine's "agent" (as they might see it) and have rp'd trying very hard to avoid them, and attacking them pre-emptively when meeting them on the road away from guards, and even used Alternate Start to begin as a Vigilant (assuming Sanguine has just that sort of sense of humor).

There is a mod here on LL that does things with the Vigilants along these lines, but I don't know its current status and never got around to actually trying it.

But it could be tied to the number of times you've been to the Dream Realm, as Coveted is, at some point you cross a threshold where the Vigilants will be aware of you and suspicious, or, they put out an execution order for you, similar to the Thalmor who come after you with execution orders.

 

And as ever, baskets of thank yous for your work on this.

 

 

 

[blackraven14]

Has anyone seen an issue where when you click the Uninstall from the MCM that it kills your character. IE you can't uninstall.

After I click the uninstall options I exit. It says it is preparing to update Sanguine Debauchery. then my Character falls over dead and my save reloads.

 

A long time ago I had that when I "died" early in the save. There was something that carried over for a really long time, because it was the essential flag being unset that caused the death.

[Morgoth Bauglir]

 

I have similar problems with this mod that I had with SD 1. The enslavement process (removal of items and bounding ) takes forever. Sometimes removal of items never happens(non-quest items) . The torture or rape scenes are never initiated and when transported to sanguines realm I am stack there. Is my load order correct? I also run BOSS but that didn't fix the problem either. Please help

 

Everything you describe sounds like an overtaxed scripting engine to me.

 

There are ways to configure Papyrus (the scripting engine) to adjust to your machine but I would simply recommend taking a hard look at your list of mods and getting rid of some script heavy, complex mods.

 

Also, I didn't have time to look into your list in detail but you probably can get rid of DangerouslyNude (since Coveted in SD+ is a much more extensive option) and also drop ZazRestraints - it is an older version of the Zaz Animation Pack (which you already have).

 

Thanks for your response.what settings would you suggesting applying for papyrus on skyrim.ini ?

[Guest Philipz]

I can't seem to regain my freedom throgh pleasing/paying my owner. After asking if she has any tasks for me I get some shackles removed so I can use my arms again and she starts calling me pet. After that she tells me she has no new tasks right now and I just should be a good slave. If I then please her for another ~4 times "Did you think I would fall for that" pops up, i get punished and placed back into shackles.

Is it intendet that you can't get your freedom back just throgh serving your owner(doing so only makes stealing key easier) or am I missing something? Also what is the "did you think i would fall for that" supposed to mean? What did I apperently try to do?

[Vithiss]

I can't seem to regain my freedom throgh pleasing/paying my owner. After asking if she has any tasks for me I get some shackles removed so I can use my arms again and she starts calling me pet. After that she tells me she has no new tasks right now and I just should be a good slave. If I then please her for another ~4 times "Did you think I would fall for that" pops up, i get punished and placed back into shackles.

 

Is it intendet that you can't get your freedom back just throgh serving your owner(doing so only makes stealing key easier) or am I missing something? Also what is the "did you think i would fall for that" supposed to mean? What did I apperently try to do?

 

Unless it has changed in the latest version, you have to remain for 3 in-game days before Do you have another task for me? will return the options for freedom. You can get your bonds relaxed and reset repeatedly in the interim. The appearance of punishments when you choose the passive response is not unusual. I've had it happen repeatedly, and, while it does interfere some with Indentured Servant, I haven't noticed any other big effects.

 

Hope that helps.

 

[Guest Philipz]

 

Unless it has changed in the latest version, you have to remain for 3 in-game days before Do you have another task for me? will return the options for freedom. You can get your bonds relaxed and reset repeatedly in the interim. The appearance of punishments when you choose the passive response is not unusual. I've had it happen repeatedly, and, while it does interfere some with Indentured Servant, I haven't noticed any other big effects.

 

Hope that helps.

 

 

Yeah I found it. thanks a bunch.

 

When you choose not to join their faction the shackless keep getting added and removed until the hour passes and the quest ends, it's a minor thin but i thoght i'd mention it.

 

When you flee or choose not to join is your old owner permanently hostile or can you reset him by traveling far way and waiting for several days?

[DeepBlueFrog]

 

 

Unless it has changed in the latest version, you have to remain for 3 in-game days before Do you have another task for me? will return the options for freedom. You can get your bonds relaxed and reset repeatedly in the interim. The appearance of punishments when you choose the passive response is not unusual. I've had it happen repeatedly, and, while it does interfere some with Indentured Servant, I haven't noticed any other big effects.

 

Hope that helps.

 

 

Yeah I found it. thanks a bunch.

 

When you choose not to join their faction the shackless keep getting added and removed until the hour passes and the quest ends, it's a minor thin but i thoght i'd mention it.

 

When you flee or choose not to join is your old owner permanently hostile or can you reset him by traveling far way and waiting for several days?

 

 

Thanks for pointing that out - I will check the shackles issue.

 

After you leavem the owner should have his relationship with you changed for as long as he/she is active.

If it is a unique NPC, that means forever.

For non-unique NPC, there should be a reset next time they spawn.

[waxin]

Has anyone seen an issue where when you click the Uninstall from the MCM that it kills your character. IE you can't uninstall.

After I click the uninstall options I exit. It says it is preparing to update Sanguine Debauchery. then my Character falls over dead and my save reloads.

 

Have you tried opening the consol, and typing TIM

(This will turn immortal mode on)

 

Way back when SD was fresh and new - this was an issue, and one of the ways to get around it.

 

 

Another thing which I believe would fit in with alot of these ideas which people are bringing up (vigilants and diabellan sisterhood) is...why not use the skooma dealers? We got the redwater skooma place near riften, would be sort of neat if (for the thug quest ....or even if they put in some addiction system) to have you marched off to a skooma den...after all surely a skooma den would have enough money to buy and or sell slaves. (Or even some rich nobles ..or perhaps a Jarl)

 

You could be used for entainment, or to make skooma or hell, even both! Eventually you could be sold off to a khajeet caravan and marched around skyrim, till you are again sold, or you earn your freedom (or just flat out escape)

 

(1) Perhaps even change the way the owners treat you (pending on their wealth and personality) For example:

Some owners may want to see the character dressed real nice (Think consort), instead of in rags - so they will give you something like this http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/7327/? to wear.  (Or hell tons of lingerie mods out there, take your pick!!)

(2) Others would keep you in rags because they want you to do menial work.

(3) Even still others are just real sadists and want to abuse you so they would use the devious devices for the character for clothes.

 

All sorts of room to grow here, just throwing some grist for the mill.

[DeepBlueFrog]

 

 

I have similar problems with this mod that I had with SD 1. The enslavement process (removal of items and bounding ) takes forever. Sometimes removal of items never happens(non-quest items) . The torture or rape scenes are never initiated and when transported to sanguines realm I am stack there. Is my load order correct? I also run BOSS but that didn't fix the problem either. Please help

 

Everything you describe sounds like an overtaxed scripting engine to me.

 

There are ways to configure Papyrus (the scripting engine) to adjust to your machine but I would simply recommend taking a hard look at your list of mods and getting rid of some script heavy, complex mods.

 

Also, I didn't have time to look into your list in detail but you probably can get rid of DangerouslyNude (since Coveted in SD+ is a much more extensive option) and also drop ZazRestraints - it is an older version of the Zaz Animation Pack (which you already have).

 

Thanks for your response.what settings would you suggesting applying for papyrus on skyrim.ini ?

 

 

You can find some examples here:

 

http://www.loverslab.com/topic/23164-show-me-your-papyrus-tweaksconfigurations/

 

Save a copy of your original settings.

 

Playing with Papyrus settings can increase your crashes until you find the sweet spot for your hardware.

[Lyman the Lunatic]

This is a short feedback because the game crash less than 5 minutes after I successfully got the mod running.

 

First off, I don't know what tweaks did you do to this mod but I can't get any newly made chars straight out of Live Another Life jail cell or didn't do Sam's quest to run SD+. The SD menu said "Updating 1" but it never started, tried to load otherchars up, got the same problem or just CTD.

I have to change to my main save char. & its works on her. Tried the Begging, I don't see notifications saying she received the money anywhere. Nothing bad happened to her, oh I tried this on NPCs from Populated Cities 2.

 

Went to try the normal enslaving, a naga from Monster mod interfered so she stuck in undress animation loop, the master turned hostile again. I console killall & resurrect her master, the game CTD a few minutes later.

 

Oh I didn't tried the previous version, got wrapeed up in other things so I didn't notice any improvements or bugs beside reading the changelog.