Animal Research: The Insatiable Scholar

[Ambustin]

Here is what idea that came to my mind that would make the relationship and the adventure with Tirwin truly exceptional!
 

 

1)possibility of marrying tirwin in a future update after gainin her full trust and sharing her sexual tastes, i have no idea how difficult it would be to make an npc eligible for marriage but it would be a nice conclusion to this relationship

2)I loved the fact that you can ask her to change her armor/clothing but it could be even more complete, when you open the tent and you don't give her anything she can't be naked but if you leave the dialogue she stays naked until she changes her street clothes, so why not integrate a level of "exhibitionism"

  -lvl1 basic outfit (academy)
    -lvl2 academy skimpy or just a skimpy     outfit

    -lvl3 topless academy or topless outfit

   -lvl4 naked

   -lvl5 bdsm/slave/humiliating clothing

 

3)we could also ask her to start a sex scene with the "friendly" animals of skyrim with the condition that the quest of this animal is accomplished

 

4)very optional for those who like, a slavetats feature

 

5)well this is really the simplest idea to achieve but without spoiler in one of the dialogues tirwin talks about "riding" horses and with the context of this dialogue I directly thought of the mod "riding style" but I don't know if this one is still available and compatible with AE version.

 

 

Here I hope that gives ideas, I admit I had no idea of the feasibility and difficulty of these suggestions but already the mod is very promising and is in my top 3 mods and I can't wait to see what happens next.

 

 

 

[ersa345]

hello. i have a problem. if i take the book in the heights of ecstasy quest (netch book) nothing happens. tried to drop it but nothing works. is there a command to skip that? 

[killer905]

2 hours ago, Ambustin said:

Here is what idea that came to my mind that would make the relationship and the adventure with Tirwin truly exceptional!
 

 

1)possibility of marrying tirwin in a future update after gainin her full trust and sharing her sexual tastes, i have no idea how difficult it would be to make an npc eligible for marriage but it would be a nice conclusion to this relationship

2)I loved the fact that you can ask her to change her armor/clothing but it could be even more complete, when you open the tent and you don't give her anything she can't be naked but if you leave the dialogue she stays naked until she changes her street clothes, so why not integrate a level of "exhibitionism"

  -lvl1 basic outfit (academy)
    -lvl2 academy skimpy or just a skimpy     outfit

    -lvl3 topless academy or topless outfit

   -lvl4 naked

   -lvl5 bdsm/slave/humiliating clothing

 

3)we could also ask her to start a sex scene with the "friendly" animals of skyrim with the condition that the quest of this animal is accomplished

 

4)very optional for those who like, a slavetats feature

 

5)well this is really the simplest idea to achieve but without spoiler in one of the dialogues tirwin talks about "riding" horses and with the context of this dialogue I directly thought of the mod "riding style" but I don't know if this one is still available and compatible with AE version.

 

 

Here I hope that gives ideas, I admit I had no idea of the feasibility and difficulty of these suggestions but already the mod is very promising and is in my top 3 mods and I can't wait to see what happens next.

 

 

 

1) This would be quite difficult, as the Thalmor protects racial purity in particular of those purebloods like Tirwin. But it could somehow be explained plot-wise that she is a PC wife only it would be difficult in my opinion to make sense. 

A suggestion to think about, but I also doubt it would be added in the next update. And a second question would marriage to Tirwin still be possible if PC is already married?

 

2) It is already an abuse of the system for her to walk around naked, but as you yourself pointed out she will change her outfit to robes or custom outfits.

lvl 2 and 3 in practice unlock at the same moment in the current version according to your proposal

lvl 4 I doubt she would want to walk around towns naked
lvl 5 is probably a bridge too far, but I also doubt she would want to walk into town in that condition

Note: Lvl4 and lvl 5 - Keep in mind that there are not too many High Elf females in Skyrim also she would be pretty easy to track especially since Tirwin travels and the rest of the NPCs stick to towns.

 

Eastmarch - 2 NPCs
The Pale - 1 NPC
Haafingar - 3 NPCs (But one of them is Elenwen so I wouldn't even count her)
Winterhold Hold - 2 NPCs
Falkreath Hold- 1 NPC
Whiterun Hold- 1 NPC

 

A couple of these NPCs have an important role in the town/village.

 

4) In my opinion, the no requirements of other mods, the better, but what exactly would they have with slavetats?

 

5) You mean this mod, yes?  

Only it doesn't puzzle me how to implement it, because it's unlikely to be that Tirwin (probably) not would have her horse, but rather to implement some special task where Tirwin and PC could e.g. do a race this way from a specific place to a specific place.

 

 

Proposals will be added to TODO lists, but are not a guarantee that they will be added.

[killer905]

13 minutes ago, ersa345 said:

hello. i have a problem. if i take the book in the heights of ecstasy quest (netch book) nothing happens. tried to drop it but nothing works. is there a command to skip that? 

type

 

sqs var_netch

 

check which last stage has the digit 1 instead of 0, then type in

 

then type 

setstage var_netch xx 

xx is the next stage number

Alternatively, wait for the appropriate FIX.

[eflat01]

1 hour ago, ersa345 said:

hello. i have a problem. if i take the book in the heights of ecstasy quest (netch book) nothing happens. tried to drop it but nothing works. is there a command to skip that? 

stage 20 is you found the the book and stage 30 is you should give the book to Tirwin on quest Var_Netch "Heights of Ecstacy" ... stage 40 sends you to the innkeeper... but make sure Tirwin is with you and don't enter the inn.

[kamithemoon]

11 hours ago, killer905 said:

The books were written somewhere in 2E many years after the defeat of Alduin by the Nordic Hero in E1 533. But that doesn't mean they weren't in Skyrim from E1 533 to 4E. Remember Paarthurnax? There may have been other dragons that hid and didn't show themselves to the outside world.

Wellp, should you end up needing it, I have a fairly decent Paarthurnax voice you could use if you want him to reminisce about his time long, long ago with curious female researcher... 🫠

[killer905]

24 minutes ago, kamithemoon said:

Wellp, should you end up needing it, I have a fairly decent Paarthurnax voice you could use if you want him to reminisce about his time long, long ago with curious female researcher... 🫠

I have a version of Paarthurnax's voice for xVASynth, but that would only be after a few updates according to the roadmap.

[eflat01]

14 hours ago, killer905 said:

Ria may be your follower after completing the Companions main quest, but I could be wrong. But the conversations with other followers the player might have (Vanilia) would be interesting.

 

Added to do list.

 

The books were written somewhere in 2E many years after the defeat of Alduin by the Nordic Hero in E1 533. But that doesn't mean they weren't in Skyrim from E1 533 to 4E. Remember Paarthurnax? There may have been other dragons that hid and didn't show themselves to the outside world.

 

They could had originated during the Merethic Era, would matter little as knowledge is often handed down and rewritten again in other books. Dragons for one far precede even Merethic era (the elves). E1 is the arrival of Nords upon Tamriel.

 

Skyrim itself is older than dirt... 😉 i.e. The Dawn Era ended with the exodus of the gods and their magic from Nirn and ushered in the Merethic... The Skyforge is speculated by many to be a remnant from the Dawn Era. When the Nords first discovered the vale of Whiterun, The Nords written the elves had long stayed far away from that hill even before their arrival in fear of what became the forge. Obviously one reason why they needed so few men (companions) to take the hill. Some speculate the forge is likely an altar of Kyne because the hawk is a symbol of hers. They suspect that is why when Kodlak was cremated upon the forge it came to life, more power and so Nord Hero weapons may then be crafted. 

 

Edited February 18, 2025 by eflat01

[Gristle]

22 hours ago, Donuts4me said:

I just started a new run on 0.35 starting all the way back at the beginning and am also having an issue with the bear.

 

The first scene with Tirwin and the bear works. The player scene and Tirwin's second scene does not. I gave it three test runs. I select the dialogue options. Nothing happens. When I talk to her again, the dialogue option is gone like the scene actually took place.

 

The PC/Tirwin scene works just fine. I guess the bear just isn't horny enough for a second round?

The bear got tired. No, this is a bug. I will fix.

22 hours ago, Donuts4me said:

I have also been noticing that whenever I have a task to talk to Tirwin I see two quest markers. Like she is in two locations at once. I notice this when I am in the crypts/caves and need to give her a book. I also noticed it when I was in the bear cave and talked to her just before she has her scene.

 

I now just got Ragnar and am about to put on a show in front of the khajiit and I noticed the map marker leads back to The Bannered Mare and Tirwin's start location. See image.

I've never seen this issue, but I know what's causing it. I will fix. 

[Gristle]

On 2/16/2025 at 8:19 PM, AthenaTheLover said:

Yes i had quest marker and it's first time i play this mod.

I just ran though with a new PC on the posted version and the bear is there for me. The quest marker is actually on the bear when you enter the cave. Then when you walk down the entrance tunnel a bit you hit a trigger and the objective should change to talk to Tirwin and the quest marker changes to her. Are you seeing any of that happen?

 

Also, you should be in a mod-added alternate interior of Graywinter Watch cave. Is the campfire up top burning? It's burning in the vanilla interior, but the fire is not burning in the mod-added interior.

[Gristle]

14 hours ago, killer905 said:

1) This would be quite difficult, as the Thalmor protects racial purity in particular of those purebloods like Tirwin. But it could somehow be explained plot-wise that she is a PC wife only it would be difficult in my opinion to make sense. 

A suggestion to think about, but I also doubt it would be added in the next update. And a second question would marriage to Tirwin still be possible if PC is already married?

I agree. Any marriage would have to be kept secret from the Thalmor. And probably from Nords as well, as I imagine there's quite a few who don't like high elves.

14 hours ago, killer905 said:

2) It is already an abuse of the system for her to walk around naked, but as you yourself pointed out she will change her outfit to robes or custom outfits.

lvl 2 and 3 in practice unlock at the same moment in the current version according to your proposal

lvl 4 I doubt she would want to walk around towns naked

lvl 5 is probably a bridge too far, but I also doubt she would want to walk into town in that condition

Note: Lvl4 and lvl 5 - Keep in mind that there are not too many High Elf females in Skyrim also she would be pretty easy to track especially since Tirwin travels and the rest of the NPCs stick to towns.

I agree she wouldn't want to walk around towns naked, and it would attract too much attention in any case. However, in a future stage perhaps she could be talked into a naked adventure somewhere in the hills or forests.

[Donuts4me]

2 hours ago, Gristle said:

I've never seen this issue, but I know what's causing it. I will fix. 

 

I notice it stopped starting with the elk book. I'm only getting one quest marker now.

 

I just completed the sabre cat part. I notice that Tirwin is not staying in any specific locations like she usually does. She keeps following me and sometimes comes right up against my animations. She also was not making any comments up until the sabre cat. Although I'm used to comments being unpredictable.

 

Ragnar is staying where he should and so are watchers like the khajiit and Angi. But Tirwin does not want to stay put.

[AthenaTheLover]

7 hours ago, Gristle said:

I just ran though with a new PC on the posted version and the bear is there for me. The quest marker is actually on the bear when you enter the cave. Then when you walk down the entrance tunnel a bit you hit a trigger and the objective should change to talk to Tirwin and the quest marker changes to her. Are you seeing any of that happen?

 

Also, you should be in a mod-added alternate interior of Graywinter Watch cave. Is the campfire up top burning? It's burning in the vanilla interior, but the fire is not burning in the mod-added interior.

Upon entering the cave there was a marker pointing to the ground. I moved to bear command and it was where the marker was and I was in the same cave as the bear. It probably wasn't switched on correctly because this time it was. <shrugs>.

[Terazook]

Is there some trick to get the high poly patch to work? I have it very low in my load list but no matter what I do, Tirwin has the black face issue whenever I enable the patch.

Edited February 18, 2025 by Terazook

[pinky6225]

Not a bug, just something i noticed, trying to give Tirwin an outfit but then not giving her anything makes her say she can't walk around naked even though she is still wearing her default outfit

 

Noticed it when i was going to give her a better robe but had forgot to take it out of the bag of holding i use so couldnt give her anything

 

The dialogue would make more sense if she stripped when you say you have an outfit for her ("Okay let me take this robe off..." or some such) although she might only want to do that in private / remote locations

Edited February 18, 2025 by pinky6225

[eflat01]

58 minutes ago, Terazook said:

Is there some trick to get the high poly patch to work? I have it very low in my load list but no matter what I do, Tirwin has the black face issue whenever I enable the patch.

 

When I installed the patch it worked fine for me although I'm not using it now, doubt it changed since then. Check the mods to see if it changes Tirwin's weight. (Usually is  the issue when it comes to blackface, normally is because when the facegen was generated the weight was slight off)... iow, if a npc weight is 50 and you set the weight to anything else when you facegen the nif.

 

Thing is all replacers generally work fine for me, I never get blackface likely because I use https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/42441

 

 

 

Edited February 18, 2025 by eflat01

[Gristle]

5 hours ago, Donuts4me said:

 

I notice it stopped starting with the elk book. I'm only getting one quest marker now.

Right. It won't come back. It's a residual issue from there being two Tirwin's in the first version (which only covered up to the dog).

5 hours ago, Donuts4me said:

I just completed the sabre cat part. I notice that Tirwin is not staying in any specific locations like she usually does. She keeps following me and sometimes comes right up against my animations. She also was not making any comments up until the sabre cat. Although I'm used to comments being unpredictable.

 

Ragnar is staying where he should and so are watchers like the khajiit and Angi. But Tirwin does not want to stay put.

This one is on the list to fix. Giving her a designated location and comments was one of those ideas that developed with the stages. So, need to go back and improve the earlier stages.

[Gristle]

14 minutes ago, pinky6225 said:

Not a bug, just something i noticed, trying to give Tirwin an outfit but then not giving her anything makes her say she can't walk around naked even though she is still wearing her default outfit

 

Noticed it when i was going to give her a better robe but had forgot to take it out of the bag of holding i use so couldnt give her anything

 

The dialogue would make more sense if she stripped when you say you have an outfit for her ("Okay let me take this robe off..." or some such)

Hmm. I thought the mod was checking her actual state of dress. Must be a bug in the logic. I'll take a look and address. 

[killer905]

8 hours ago, Gristle said:

I agree. Any marriage would have to be kept secret from the Thalmor. And probably from Nords as well, as I imagine there's quite a few who don't like high elves.

True, but in the case of the Nordics, it's the High Elf in the capital Stormcloak in Wildhelm who walks around quite freely. Maybe she is spy?

 

8 hours ago, Gristle said:

I agree. Any marriage would have to be kept secret from the Thalmor. And probably from Nords as well, as I imagine there's quite a few who don't like high elves.

I agree she wouldn't want to walk around towns naked, and it would attract too much attention in any case. However, in a future stage perhaps she could be talked into a naked adventure somewhere in the hills or forests.

Oh, well.... 

 

1 hour ago, AthenaTheLover said:

Upon entering the cave there was a marker pointing to the ground. I moved to bear command and it was where the marker was and I was in the same cave as the bear. It probably wasn't switched on correctly because this time it was. <shrugs>.

Probably skip dialogues too quickly as a result may not have run the script correctly.

 

20 minutes ago, pinky6225 said:

Not a bug, just something i noticed, trying to give Tirwin an outfit but then not giving her anything makes her say she can't walk around naked even though she is still wearing her default outfit

 

Noticed it when i was going to give her a better robe but had forgot to take it out of the bag of holding i use so couldnt give her anything

You can give her anything or nothing and chances are she won't say anything about going naked. Then choose a command to make her put on her robes to reset the values and not mess up in other tasks. Then give her a new outfit :3
 

22 minutes ago, pinky6225 said:

The dialogue would make more sense if she stripped when you say you have an outfit for her ("Okay let me take this robe off..." or some such) although she might only want to do that in private / remote locations

It's an acute simplification that she doesn't take off her robes in the city, wildlands etc. 

Even if it did take off, the fact that it's in the city would be ignored, and would only piss players off.

 

[Terazook]

2 hours ago, eflat01 said:

 

When I installed the patch it worked fine for me although I'm not using it now, doubt it changed since then. Check the mods to see if it changes Tirwin's weight. (Usually is  the issue when it comes to blackface, normally is because when the facegen was generated the weight was slight off)... iow, if a npc weight is 50 and you set the weight to anything else when you facegen the nif.

 

Thing is all replacers generally work fine for me, I never get blackface likely because I use https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/42441

 

 

 

That mod did it! Thanks!

[tlrd]

As far as suggestion go you could implement some kind of cum alchemy, after Tirwin has sex with a creature she would collect the cum for you to use. if she is dismissed she could be doing further "research" on her own and could store up some for when you recruit her next or just go around to the previous creatures with her to collect more.

[killer905]

1 hour ago, tlrd said:

As far as suggestion go you could implement some kind of cum alchemy, after Tirwin has sex with a creature she would collect the cum for you to use. if she is dismissed she could be doing further "research" on her own and could store up some for when you recruit her next or just go around to the previous creatures with her to collect more.

I've thought about it, but what would the PC do with it afterwards? Just for sale to alchemists or any other uses?

[tlrd]

41 minutes ago, killer905 said:

I've thought about it, but what would the PC do with it afterwards? Just for sale to alchemists or any other uses?

They could be more powerful alchemy ingredients or just be food items that can be used as ingredients in cooking pot recipes that are either stronger or more valuable than vanilla food. For the cooking pot an example would be using Sabre cat cum in the elsweyr fondue to make it with bonus effect. Since elsweyr fondue already enhances magicka you can make the sabre cat cum version also increase health (an effect from the eye of sabre cat) and stamina (an effect from the sabre cat tooth).

[tlrd]

Doing the cooking pot/food option would allow you to make really strong food items that last a lot longer than a potion so going to visit a creature would be really worth your time as well. vanilla elsweyr fondue's effect last for 12 minutes so only getting 1 or 2 samples would be worth your time.

[eflat01]

On 2/18/2025 at 11:11 AM, killer905 said:

True, but in the case of the Nordics, it's the High Elf in the capital Stormcloak in Wildhelm who walks around quite freely. Maybe she is spy?

 

Oh, well.... 

 

Probably skip dialogues too quickly as a result may not have run the script correctly.

 

You can give her anything or nothing and chances are she won't say anything about going naked. Then choose a command to make her put on her robes to reset the values and not mess up in other tasks. Then give her a new outfit :3
 

It's an acute simplification that she doesn't take off her robes in the city, wildlands etc. 

Even if it did take off, the fact that it's in the city would be ignored, and would only piss players off.

 

 

1. Obviously Niranye is shady to begin with, she's a fence... and she does her best to redirect scrutiny. What I also think interesting is Luaffyn (a Dunmer) gigs Candlehearth all the time while Rolff goes around bashing Dunmer constantly... you can sometimes catch him applauding her performance. Susanna always tells me to go get a real drink at the Corner Club... we know her "Wicked" does not refer to mean 😉 . I go to great lengths to save her - mod to bypass it - during blood on the ice, she's too sweet and often times too pretty to let be serial killer fodder.

 

2. Yes, many Nords really don't seem to care, while proud most of them are pretty down to earth common people. It's why they're pretty split in the civil war, those who have antipathy for elves feel they're being oppressed or taken advantage of, is a reason for their xenophobia. Although, they do tend to be all about honor and more family oriented by nature, Nura Snow-Shard is pissed off her son is marrying Vittoria Vici - an imperial - she thinks her hips are too skinny and she wants grandchildren, lot's of them. Some in Vittoria's family is none too happy with the marriage either, I suppose their eyes were set on some imperial council member or something? They seem to think Nords - even from a wealthy war hero's family - The Snow-Shard's, who own a farm and a manor in Riften - are beneath them, btw... the wedding groom is Maven's Black-Briar's meadery investor and partner.

 

 

Edited February 20, 2025 by eflat01