Animal Research: The Insatiable Scholar

[Asphodelium]

Hi, awesome work as always, but I was wondering.... is it possible to have a male version of Tirwin? (don't know if this has already been asked/done by someone else, or if it would be a difficult thing to do/achieve)

[killer905]

50 minutes ago, kkiiees said:

so I'm having a problem. After having sex in quests, Tirwin suppose to talk to me but she doesn't, she just immediately put her clothes back and when I interact with her, it only show to default dialogue and I can't progress anymore. I have to use setstage in order to advance

In what quest? At least givce quest name or what creature are in this quest.

 

[killer905]

10 minutes ago, Asphodelium said:

Hi, awesome work as always, but I was wondering.... is it possible to have a male version of Tirwin? (don't know if this has already been asked/done by someone else, or if it would be a difficult thing to do/achieve)

This question was already there, but unfortunately it is unlikely to be. We would already have to add/change in each quest to fit male and female Tirwin. Anyway, I don't see how male would e.g. fit e.g. Troll's cock, Horse. I won't even mention the giant. It simply doesn't fit for me. Unless the male Tirwin employs a PC female to do it and that would be more feasible, but in practice also every quest has to be adjusted so that it is the PC female who plays first fiddle replacing the female Tirwin, and the Male Tiwin would be sort of PC suggesting e.g. sex with him etc.

[killer905]

7 hours ago, GamingAndy said:

Hello 👋 i really like this mod but it seems that this new version not working for me not sure why the older version have worked perfectly, I’m playing on Skyrim se 1.5.97 I have used the same load order that I have with the previous version but the quest is not starting. I entered the location tirwin started the conversation with the high elf but they finish talking and tirwin only stays there and watch at me but she is not asking me to help her find the books to start the quest. If I start the conversation I don’t have any line to start it. How do I fix this issue and make tirwin start the quest? Thank you 🙏 

Try loading the save before entering the inn. Or try run into her (sometimes this helps) or wait an hour in the game.

[Asphodelium]

5 minutes ago, killer905 said:

This question was already there, but unfortunately it is unlikely to be. We would already have to add/change in each quest to fit male and female Tirwin. Anyway, I don't see how male would e.g. fit e.g. Troll's cock, Horse. I won't even mention the giant. It simply doesn't fit for me. Unless the male Tirwin employs a PC female to do it and that would be more feasible, but in practice also every quest has to be adjusted so that it is the PC female who plays first fiddle replacing the female Tirwin, and the Male Tiwin would be sort of PC suggesting e.g. sex with him etc.

 

I see, the text mentions of female terms doesn't bother me too much (my suspension of disbelief is strong), for the troll/horse/giant cock, I'm not sure I get what you mean, if you mean lack of animations for that specific set or something else that could stop the quest from proceeding.

I was asking for personal use, and didnt mean to be disrespectful, so I apologize if the question bothered you.

 

[GamingAndy]

14 minutes ago, killer905 said:

Try loading the save before entering the inn. Or try run into her (sometimes this helps) or wait an hour in the game.

I did wait 24 hours in game and had intercourse with her and i did load older save as well but still not worked. is a fresh install of the game and mod list so not many saves in the history. Is it possible somehow the older game and modlist that i deleted a week ago to have stored something in my pc that not letting her advance ?

[eflat01]

18 hours ago, leking said:

I don't get one thing:

 

You are saying the comment can't refer to oral/anal etc but eflat01 just said that szxlab is able to tell the difference? So why not?

 

He also says that sl can recognise the partner. Would be fun to hear the bella voice saying "oh yes tyrwin" 😁

 

Sex lab knows if the scene is oral or vaginal/anal that is why you get the slurping sound files played during oral (also why they're in separate directories). 

 

It knows the actors gender but does not differentiate what specific npc they are... What I mean is it knows when a Female is the giver in the oral scene and a male is the receiver, etc... but that is all. It also knows when the female is on the receiving end of intercourse or anal. So gender and animation type, who's the giver and receiver.

 

Like I said I'm using some extra voice slots added in there are a few up here on LL and they're taken from porn actresses, there also are some male replacement voices.

 

A typical oral scene between the PC and Serna with the PC going down on Serana.

 

Serana says things like: "Oh yes, lick that pussy just like that..."

PC muddles: Mmm, slurp... etc...

 

A typical vaginal scene with the PC being screwed ...

PC says : "Oh god, fuck me harder, make me your bitch!"

 

Another thing I've noticed my PC makes a lot of comments while being screwed by animals.

 

I'm not sure if they're coming out of "SL Fame Comments" or "Aroused Creatures" along with their sound files, but have I noticed is when the PC is being screwed by an animal. She'll say things in the middle scenes things  like "This is so wrong but I can't help myself.", "I'm a dirty beast fucker!", etc...

 

I'm not sure who's sound files they really are, And... I don't know for sure how it's being done because it happening with Evelyn's fox Roxy by way dialog with Evelyn "May I play with your fox" in SL Fame Comments to invoke the scene but it's also occurs if I target Max or some random horse with the hot key from Aroused Creatures to start the scene... go figure? 🤔 I used to get them all the time when Aroused Creatures constantly raped the PC... until I figured out in the McM you can set it to invite only.

 

Edited February 22, 2025 by eflat01

[eflat01]

QQ: Grislte would my patching max height in this cell break anything?

 

Reason I ask is I have cutting room floor and it changes that to add in Wintersand Manor. Animal Research uses skyrim.esm height... I don't know why cutting room floor lowers some height in the area but the door is half in the ground when the two are loaded up... cutting room floor is earlier in the load.

 

Block 0, -1
Sub-Block 0, -1
00009618  ChillfurrowFarmExterior [CELL:00009618] (in Tamriel "Skyrim" [WRLD:0000003C] at 7,-3)

 

Edited February 22, 2025 by eflat01

[killer905]

3 hours ago, Asphodelium said:

 

I see, the text mentions of female terms doesn't bother me too much (my suspension of disbelief is strong), for the troll/horse/giant cock, I'm not sure I get what you mean, if you mean lack of animations for that specific set or something else that could stop the quest from proceeding.

I was asking for personal use, and didnt mean to be disrespectful, so I apologize if the question bothered you.

 

If there were to be a female Tirwin, ‘we’ would have to do it right so that it would not simply be a change of gender and would not refer to women in feminine terms etc.

A mini patch could be made to make Tirwin a guy without changing anything.

By writing about dicks, I meant that male doesn't have such a stretchy ass to accommodate Troll's dick, horse etc.

A question like any other I was just giving an example of why we think it doesn't make sense or what we would have to do to make male Tirwin make sense instead of simply changing her gender.

And here I point out that Tirwin male would use the face and hair from Vanilia in a potent mini patch.

 

 

 

2 hours ago, GamingAndy said:

I did wait 24 hours in game and had intercourse with her and i did load older save as well but still not worked. is a fresh install of the game and mod list so not many saves in the history. Is it possible somehow the older game and modlist that i deleted a week ago to have stored something in my pc that not letting her advance ?

If it saves something, it is rather in the save itself. You can try a new save and see if it is the same. 

You probably have to wait for an answer from @Gristle For me work fine on both versions LE and SE.

 

 

[Gristle]

5 hours ago, GamingAndy said:

I did wait 24 hours in game and had intercourse with her and i did load older save as well but still not worked. is a fresh install of the game and mod list so not many saves in the history. Is it possible somehow the older game and modlist that i deleted a week ago to have stored something in my pc that not letting her advance ?

It's a bug. I will fix soon. In the meantime, you can continue with "setstage VAR_MainQuest 30". 

 

(I swear I tested this the day the last version was posted. But somehow her force greet package got messed up. 😕)

 

I spoke too soon. I thought I saw an issue, but I took another look and retested v0.36 and the initial conversation and Tirwin's following force greet works fine.

Edited February 22, 2025 by Gristle

[Gristle]

4 hours ago, kkiiees said:

so I'm having a problem. After having sex in quests, Tirwin suppose to talk to me but she doesn't, she just immediately put her clothes back and when I interact with her, it only show to default dialogue and I can't progress anymore. I have to use setstage in order to advance

Are you using Sexlab P+? Did this problem arise with any particular version? Does it happen with every animal? Does it happen with sex started by other mods? (Tirwin should stay naked until she force greets you, even with Tirwin sex started by other mods.)

[Gristle]

7 hours ago, zwdragonbone8314 said:

Hi, I just download the latest version of this mod. Great mod, but I'm running a problem when doing the Mammoth quest as after the conversation , there is suppose to be a sex scene but it never happen.  And the quest is stuck there. I try to load early save but still stuck in the same place. 

I just ran through that scene and it worked ok for me. What conversation are you referring to? There are several.

[Gristle]

3 hours ago, eflat01 said:

Another thing I've noticed my PC makes a lot of comments while being screwed by animals.

 

I'm not sure if they're coming out of "SL Fame Comments" or "Aroused Creatures" along with their sound files, but have I noticed is when the PC is being screwed by an animal. She'll say things in the middle scenes things  like "This is so wrong but I can't help myself.", "I'm a dirty beast fucker!", etc...

 

I'm not sure who's sound files they really are, And... I don't know for sure how it's being done because it happening with Evelyn's fox Roxy by way dialog with Evelyn "May I play with your fox" in SL Fame Comments to invoke the scene but it's also occurs if I target Max or some random horse with the hot key from Aroused Creatures to start the scene... go figure? 🤔 I used to get them all the time when Aroused Creatures constantly raped the PC... until I figured out in the McM you can set it to invite only.

 

SLSF Fame Comments adds NPC comments on sex with animals, but not PC comments. Any PC comments probably come from Spank That Ass. You can turn these comments off in the Spank That Ass MCM. 

[Gristle]

5 hours ago, GamingAndy said:

I did wait 24 hours in game and had intercourse with her and i did load older save as well but still not worked. is a fresh install of the game and mod list so not many saves in the history. Is it possible somehow the older game and modlist that i deleted a week ago to have stored something in my pc that not letting her advance ?

As edited above, I spoke too soon. I thought I saw an issue, but I took another look and retested v0.36 and the initial conversation and Tirwin's following force greet works fine. 

 

Did the conversation between Naryu and Tirwin finish? Naryu's last line is "Now stay out of my way." That advances the stage to 20, which triggers Tirwin's force greet.

 

Also, even if Tirwin's force greet didn't work, there's backup dialogue with Tirwin on stage 20. She will have the dialogue: "I heard you were looking for some help." That triggers the same conversation with Tirwin as her force greet does.

[Gristle]

4 hours ago, eflat01 said:

QQ: Grislte would my patching max height in this cell break anything?

 

Reason I ask is I have cutting room floor and it changes that to add in Wintersand Manor. Animal Research uses skyrim.esm height... I don't know why cutting room floor lowers some height in the area but the door is half in the ground when the two are loaded up... cutting room floor is earlier in the load.

 

Block 0, -1
Sub-Block 0, -1
00009618  ChillfurrowFarmExterior [CELL:00009618] (in Tamriel "Skyrim" [WRLD:0000003C] at 7,-3)

 

That should be fine.

[zwdragonbone8314]

2 hours ago, Gristle said:

I just ran through that scene and it worked ok for me. What conversation are you referring to? There are several.

Hi, thank you for our response. The conversation I'm referring to is after the sex with giant, , I think is stage var_giant 199 or something, before 200. From stage 200 to 210, nothing happen only after I set stage 210 then everything work again.

[Gristle]

3 hours ago, zwdragonbone8314 said:

Hi, thank you for our response. The conversation I'm referring to is after the sex with giant, , I think is stage var_giant 199 or something, before 200. From stage 200 to 210, nothing happen only after I set stage 210 then everything work again.

Tirwin's (first) sex with the giant starts on stage 150 and the stage advances to stage 160 when that sex is over. Stage 160 causes Tirwin to force greet the PC and she remarks about the giant sex and that the giant wants her to follow him. Her dialogue advances the stage to 170 and she and the giant walk down the hill. At the bottom, the PC triggers a trigger box (advancing the stage to 180) and an objective appears to speak with Tirwin about sex with the mammoth. That conversation advances the quest to 190, starting the mammoth sex, which ends on 200. That triggers another Tirwin force greet, and that conversation ends on stage 210, at which point you have a lot of dialogue/sex options with Tirwin. 

 

So, Tirwin should force greet you on stage 200, which is after sex with the mammoth. There may be giants or mammoths in the way. If she doesn't force greet you, walk up next to her.

[zwdragonbone8314]

54 minutes ago, Gristle said:

Tirwin's (first) sex with the giant starts on stage 150 and the stage advances to stage 160 when that sex is over. Stage 160 causes Tirwin to force greet the PC and she remarks about the giant sex and that the giant wants her to follow him. Her dialogue advances the stage to 170 and she and the giant walk down the hill. At the bottom, the PC triggers a trigger box (advancing the stage to 180) and an objective appears to speak with Tirwin about sex with the mammoth. That conversation advances the quest to 190, starting the mammoth sex, which ends on 200. That triggers another Tirwin force greet, and that conversation ends on stage 210, at which point you have a lot of dialogue/sex options with Tirwin. 

 

So, Tirwin should force greet you on stage 200, which is after sex with the mammoth. There may be giants or mammoths in the way. If she doesn't force greet you, walk up next to her.

Hi, yes the sex scene with Mammoth never start and I don't know why. So I have to setstage from 200 to 210 and miss all the dialogue with Tirwin. I try another even earlier save yet still get the same result. 

 

I also got another problem with summoning arouse Ash guardian. I did read the spell and did summon the guardian, yet the suppose sex scene is still not happening. 

[eflat01]

1 hour ago, zwdragonbone8314 said:

Hi, yes the sex scene with Mammoth never start and I don't know why. So I have to setstage from 200 to 210 and miss all the dialogue with Tirwin. I try another even earlier save yet still get the same result. 

 

I also got another problem with summoning arouse Ash guardian. I did read the spell and did summon the guardian, yet the suppose sex scene is still not happening. 

 

Did the PC talk to Tirwin into having sex with the mammoth? She will not without the PC talking to her. That should had appeared as an objective when you're following the giant to the mammoth at some point.

 

One possibility also for not getting animations when they should had been invoked in SL, is the lack of a paired animation available to play... can you include the creature animation packs you have?

 

Edited February 23, 2025 by eflat01

[eflat01]

8 hours ago, Gristle said:

SLSF Fame Comments adds NPC comments on sex with animals, but not PC comments. Any PC comments probably come from Spank That Ass. You can turn these comments off in the Spank That Ass MCM. 

 

 I did not want to turn them off... I was just giving examples of what plays during creature sex in my game. You did help narrow down where they come from.

 

They're from "Aroused Creatures v04.14 Voice Lines.7z", I found those in it's .bsa. 

 

Edited February 23, 2025 by eflat01

[kkiiees]

12 hours ago, killer905 said:

In what quest? At least givce quest name or what creature are in this quest.

 

It's in all quests. But nevermind, I think I found the problem. Recently I downloaded the sexlab precision compatibility patch for SLGP from this page and I think this is the source of my issue

[GamingAndy]

8 hours ago, Gristle said:

As edited above, I spoke too soon. I thought I saw an issue, but I took another look and retested v0.36 and the initial conversation and Tirwin's following force greet works fine. 

 

Did the conversation between Naryu and Tirwin finish? Naryu's last line is "Now stay out of my way." That advances the stage to 20, which triggers Tirwin's force greet.

 

Also, even if Tirwin's force greet didn't work, there's backup dialogue with Tirwin on stage 20. She will have the dialogue: "I heard you were looking for some help." That triggers the same conversation with Tirwin as her force greet does.

They finish the dialogue but not this phrase "Now stay out of my way." so i guess they do not finish the dialogue and when i near her she sais hi friend nothing to ask for help or something.

[killer905]

8 hours ago, kkiiees said:

It's in all quests. But nevermind, I think I found the problem. Recently I downloaded the sexlab precision compatibility patch for SLGP from this page and I think this is the source of my issue

oh... good to know, but I guess it would have to be fixed or given see to make it work with SLGP.

[Asphodelium]

18 hours ago, killer905 said:

If there were to be a female Tirwin, ‘we’ would have to do it right so that it would not simply be a change of gender and would not refer to women in feminine terms etc.

A mini patch could be made to make Tirwin a guy without changing anything.

By writing about dicks, I meant that male doesn't have such a stretchy ass to accommodate Troll's dick, horse etc.

A question like any other I was just giving an example of why we think it doesn't make sense or what we would have to do to make male Tirwin make sense instead of simply changing her gender.

And here I point out that Tirwin male would use the face and hair from Vanilia in a potent mini patch.

 

 

 

I see, personally, I don't really think there is a physiological problem for an Ass to... accomodate something that can enter a Vagina (especially in an adult oriented creature mod in a fantasy setting scenario), you wouldn't believe how stretchy an ass can be.

 

I would be happy with a mini patch to make Tirwin Male (and maybe other people would enjoy it too), but I understand what you said about having to adapt everything else around that to make it make sense (it would need extensive work to update the dialogues and dynamics of some of the quests etc.)

Thank you for answering, Gristle and you are doing a very good job with this ❤️

[pinky6225]

Played through the barrow with Tharsten and the pick up of the book/quest advanced fine, as we was leaving the tunnel though Tirwin asked if we should stay and help Tharsten or leave now and i went with the option to stay and help Tharsten but then Tirwin ran up to Tharsten and did a dialogue about how he should leave with us now which sounds like it should have triggered if i'd picked the other option to leave now with Tirwin rather than stay and help Tharsten

 

Tail end of the dialogue was

Edited February 23, 2025 by pinky6225