Animal Research: The Insatiable Scholar

[eflat01]

6 minutes ago, killer905 said:

You can give her anything, but it can't be that she will be ‘naked’. If you use any freamwork follower, it won't take that into consideration.

 

If Rangar had any idea who he was jumping on, he would have thought twice before doing it

 

Graywinter Watch but can be problems if you did updated mod during this quest.

 

A suggestion to think about.

 

1. I figured as such... is clear she's looking at Slot 32 - torso, Consideration down the line may be to somehow soft utilize something like baka keywords or advanced nudity detection? Just a thought.  

 

2. I'm sure Ragnar will jump anything with that turned on... just have the PC arousal setting is a slight lower than npcs so she takes the brunt and can fight 'em off if need be.

 

3. Yep, Should never update anything which has an open quest in journal. (If stages, locations and even npcs change it's bound to break the quest).

 

4. I'm not keen on bad ends myself... to each their own though. People would only reload a prior save... 

 

Brings me back on the subject of Tirwin in other aspects, she's actually a pretty good little mage although her level tops out at 35 (I'm thinking of raising that cap a bit...  ). Obviously a destruction expert, novice conjurer with an affinity for ice. Especially when geared for such. 

 

[Gristle]

On 2/9/2025 at 12:45 PM, leking said:

just heard tirwin say "i see that you are enjoying yourself dirty whore" i am not sure. Does it comes from animal research or sexual fame comment ?

It's not from Animal Research. I can't find any "dirty whore" comments triggered by PC sex in SLSF Fame Comments either.

[Gristle]

On 2/9/2025 at 12:56 PM, Donuts4me said:

 

Is Ragnar required to accompany the player and Tirwin to Solstheim? I don't remember him having any important roles in the new quests or having any new interactions. He always just sat around and watched at designated locations during the sex scenes. Not sure why he followed us to Solstheim on my first attempt when I did not ask him to?

No. He's not required. This is a bug I will fix. 

On 2/9/2025 at 12:56 PM, Donuts4me said:

I remember after all the netch scenes ended and I told Tirwin that we needed to look for the next book, she made some kind of comment that Ragnar was getting horny watching us and would like to have some fun. When I actually asked her if she wanted to have a threesome with Ragnar, she said she did not want to do that in public!

 

I thought that was weird at first since we were nowhere near the town and we had just done naughty things with the Netches on the same beach. However, at the same time there were some Skaal hunters that ran by trying to hunt and kill an elk just before I started the Netch scenes. I assumed at the time she was referring to them being witnesses?

 

When Tirwin does not want to have sex with Ragnar in public, does that relate to location or if there are any witnesses nearby? If it is witness-related, I understand why she did not want to do anything in front of the Skaal hunters. If it is location-related, I don't get why she would not want to do anything with Ragnar on the same beach where we both just did stuff with netches?

Tirwin's consent to sex is based on location, not witnesses. I can only imagine the cell has been given a city, town, or settlement location. Sometimes these location tags are a bit surprising. 

[Gristle]

On 2/9/2025 at 1:29 PM, eflat01 said:

I also would like to suggest the option to ask for the next book should not be available unless Tirwin is actually following. Duh, 😉 I went to pick up from where I left off and asked her for the next book and walked out the door... then it dawned on me she was still in the wait there state.

Good point. I will make this change.

[Gristle]

22 hours ago, Lcklsmth said:

I encountered two issues during the wolf quest (v. 0.3):

1- I was exploring the area around the camp (at the objective where I was sent to free the wolf from the camp by Aela), and the objective for the quest updated to talking to Tirwin for her to initiate sex with the wolf. The wolf cage was opened in the camp, and I had to call Tirmin to bring her there.

Since this was my first time running this mod, I didn't know it skipped objectives.

I spoke to Tirmin, I went she was behind the wagon while she had sex with the wolf, and then once she was done, the objective didn't update to talk to her, and talking to her didn't progress to the next objective.

That would be issue #1, though it may result from skipping steps in the quest. I updated to the latest version just now; I'll go back in-game and see if the issue was solved; if not, I'll use console commands to continue the quest.

2- The second issue is having skipped part of the quest as I explored the camp (after Tirmin has sex with the wolf). I got the prompt to find the key to the cage; I couldn't do that objective once I found it since the cage was already opened from bug #1.

These are not game-breaking since I can use console commands, so I'm just reporting them if you want to look at them.

Thanks. The possibility of triggering the quest early by walking through the wolf area should have been fixed in v0.3. I'll take another look at this.

[Gristle]

19 hours ago, leking said:

So i just started all over again. Just finished the bear quest.

 

Was a specific "vaginal" keyword applyed to this specific scene ??

 

I saw in a previous message that vag keyword was applied for the boar scene.

 

I am asking because for the bear i only load anal and oral animation and when tirwin had to engage with him nothing happend like if i had no animation but the quest was done. Same when i then asked her to teach me to engage with the bear. 

 

With other bears using aroused creatures everything work. In previous version tirwin engaged in an anal scene during the quest with no problem. 

 

Is it currently impossible to engage in an anal scene with certain beast ??

No animation tags are required for Tirwin's initial sex with the bear, just the 'racekey' for Bears:

 

Actor[] acts = new Actor[2]
acts[0] = TirwinLH
acts[1] = CaveBear
sslBaseAnimation[] anims = SexLab.GetCreatureAnimationsByRaceKey (2,"Bears")
SexLab.StartSex(acts, anims, CenterOn = BearSexMarker)

[eflat01]

1 hour ago, Gristle said:

No animation tags are required for Tirwin's initial sex with the bear, just the 'racekey' for Bears:

 

Actor[] acts = new Actor[2]
acts[0] = TirwinLH
acts[1] = CaveBear
sslBaseAnimation[] anims = SexLab.GetCreatureAnimationsByRaceKey (2,"Bears")
SexLab.StartSex(acts, anims, CenterOn = BearSexMarker)

 

Yes, as I recall from your previous code all the sex lab animations were reliant on the actors raceKey and marker placed location.

 

User's should not mistake race as a "tag", in the sexlab json loads they are two separate entities and utilized within sexlab separately... Race is also singular while tags may be multiple dilimented entries. This goes back to our previous discussion on how the tags themselves are totally unreliable, Apparently race is also to some point too in like "Canines" but if a "Dogs" animation is not specified as "Dogs" well then will never be found in a "Canines" search.  

Edited February 11, 2025 by eflat01

[Donuts4me]

12 hours ago, killer905 said:

Which choice did you make Tharstan or Freyka after giving Tirwin the Rieklings book?

 

Freyka on the first run when I did not have the problem. Tharstan on the second run when I did have the problem.

[leking]

5 hours ago, eflat01 said:

 

1. I figured as such... is clear she's looking at Slot 32 - torso, Consideration down the line may be to somehow soft utilize something like baka keywords or advanced nudity detection? Just a thought.  

 

 

 

 

Please don't. I like to dress her as some super slut from another elven world 🤣 so being able to "lye" to her is the perfect option in my opinion. 

 

Cause in my skyrim a lot of girl are dressed overly skimpy 😁 so she fit perfectly with the clothes i give her 😎

3 hours ago, Gristle said:

No animation tags are required for Tirwin's initial sex with the bear, just the 'racekey' for Bears:

 

 

 

Well then i guess sexlab/skyrim just failed this scene on my playthrough. I made only one attempt and did not try to reload to see a change. 

 

I'm going further in the quest today

 

Other suggestions in my mind: 

 

-Since the mod authors are also making public whore and balazar bitch maybe Tirwin could react or interact with those quest.

 

-For example she could react to the fact you are the public whore of the town . And/or comment the fact that you become the public whore for a new town   you dirty girl 😚 (By the way i don't know that is just with me but every time i meet her for the first time when i start a new game she always say "you? i thought you were a whore?" which is the truth even at lvl 1 🤣).

-When you start balazar bitch she could offer her help to solve the curse and accompany you on the quest if you have already done her own quest cause she is way more "experienced" and have a lot of "knowledge" now. She could even speak to you about the rumors of that armored husky in mara temple to point your way in order to start the quest. I think she is the perfect partner for that journey 😎

 

 

Edited February 11, 2025 by leking

[liniul]

I started a new play through and another mod interfered with the initial conservation between the to elves in 

the bannered mare. Is there a console command to start the main quest after the initial conservation that didnt fire.

Thank you for your assistance . 

[leking]

Just finished the horse quest . I am using aroused creature and ragnar was sent to the stables for a long time before we reached the horse in markart. But suddenly he came out of nowhere to jump on tirwin. It is normal with nearby animals but ragnar was supposed to be way to far away. Looks like he was able to travel through time and space to fuck his beloved mistress 🤣

My ladies ready for adventure 😎

Edited February 11, 2025 by leking

[eflat01]

18 hours ago, leking said:

Just finished the horse quest . I am using aroused creature and ragnar was sent to the stables for a long time before we reached the horse in markart. But suddenly he came out of nowhere to jump on tirwin. It is normal with nearby animals but ragnar was supposed to be way to far away. Looks like he was able to travel through time and space to fuck his beloved mistress 🤣

My ladies ready for adventure 😎

 

Set aroused creatures to "invite" for both PC and NPC, in doing so you need to target a creature and hit the hot key to start a scene, but that  also prevents creatures from invoking the SL scene automatically.

 

I assume like many I have a lot going on which can interfere and cause minor hip-cups.  My PC consistently gets solicited, assaulted, whatnot... Sl Fame Comments, Sexy Adventures, SLHH, OSL Aroused + Aroused Creatures, Radiant Prostitution Redux, even Chatty NPCS can also hold up a follower. Plus  has to return home periodically due she's married to Serana (SDA, Spouces Enhanced, Amorous Adventures)... I'm sure sometimes she wants to go to the top of the world and be a hermit.

 

Edited February 11, 2025 by eflat01

[eflat01]

👏 I  Have to say the quests here are some of the best work I'd seen in a long time... 

 

I picked up playing version .33 from where .22 left off. The storyline is great and the mod played very solid... there are a few minor issues but that is pretty common place in first iterations of dialog driven quests. For one thing this is a post-dragonborn play... I did not test the vanilla locations in an unvisited state. 

 

Suggestions: You may make force greetings from other npcs to the PC require Tirwin within line of sight or ear-shot of the PC? 

 

I pounded on these quests and the only way to break anything for me was to get too far ahead... I guess she really means it when she yells "Don't leave your little elf girl behind alone!" 

 

Spoiler

Heights of Ecstasy:

 

I'm not sure if the initial dialog starting this quest may be missing a voicefile? In any case If she said we were going to Bloodskal Barrow or not I had no clue until I looked in my journal.
 

 

Spoiler

Bareback Riding:

 

No issues but Sneaky, sneaky! Yeah has an easteregg in it... would had never known there was an optional had I not been so inquisitive. For one thing Naryu's dialog for the optional is only avail once you get Tirwin into action again. 

 

I was also jumping all over the darn place on top of everything looking for that gem hoping Naryu and the boar would not finish up before I could find it.

Spoiler

The North Wind:

 

I initially broke this quest being assigned due I ran back From "Bearly Human" loosing Tirwin and Ragnar on the way to Skal Village got force greeted by Naryu which checked off returning the headdress ,etc... to the Greathall.

 

What I did was I fast traveled (something I rarely do) to the ship, due the urgency and Tirwin/Ragnar had also but from afar and she said nothing about the conversation with Naryu. That was likely due she was not there during it and when I left Skaal Village. hence  I realize now, her dialog would change the location we just arrived in (see below).

 

So I reloaded at the cave exit and made sure she was with me every step of the way... Like many followers she gets pretty confused crossing rivers, so we took the long way around. 

 

Had the conversation with Naryu again and of course Tirwin pipped in with dialog advancing the quests.

 

Funny thing is ... The Ship has it's own "map marker" in my game so we fast traveled to "it" this time we ended up in the harbor (literally the water) 😂

 

That said, I'm going to go back and see how the state of Angi, Ria and other npcs like Ri'saad are since I just picked up from where we left off rather than played through from the beginning again. 

 

Edit: 

 

Spoiler

1. Ria had the dialog like we just completed the bear quest.

 

2. Angi had dialog to have sex with Ragnar, but Snowflake is not the repeatable as it was, least I think it was?

 

3. Ri'Sadd's Khajiit camps are barren. no tents, etc... dunno why?

 

So then I'm guessing it would likely be best to remove the mod save, then start from the very beginning?

 

Edited February 12, 2025 by eflat01

[Gristle]

On 2/10/2025 at 3:04 AM, Donuts4me said:

I decided not to ask Ragnar to come along this time. Although he kept appearing at certain points like when Tirwin speaks to the player about getting a boat upon arriving at Raven Rock, coming out of the cave the ashspawn was in, the shipride to Solitude, the Solitude dock and the bridge. He always ran home immediately upon spawning. Never got permanently stuck anywhere thankfully.

This is a bug. I forgot at times to check if Ragnar was following before using him in the quests. I will fix.

On 2/10/2025 at 3:04 AM, Donuts4me said:

 

There was a dialogue mix-up in the Tomb when looking for the old man. After getting the book and giving it to Tirwin she somehow had the dialogue line meant to be said by the player to the old man. See image.

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

Thankfully the quest still played out just fine. I did not bother selecting that dialog option and let Tirwin walk to the old man. I made sure to talk to him first and that "Your daughter is worried about you" line was there for him too. I selected that and was able to complete the mission. Tirwin kept following him until she said her lines as well. Then I was able to successfully tell Freyka we found him. You just need to get that line off Tirwin.

Thanks. I will fix.

On 2/10/2025 at 3:04 AM, Donuts4me said:

During this run Tirwin was not keeping her clothes off during the riekling or werebear scenes. Normally she keeps her clothes off until all the scenes have been played and the player says its time to look for the next book. Other characters like Naryu and Kaydi were keeping their clothes off during parties even when they were not in action. Not sure why TIrwin kept putting hers back on. I'm pretty sure on my first run she stayed undressed until I said it was time to go.

College robes or custom outfit?

On 2/10/2025 at 3:04 AM, Donuts4me said:

Lastly, I forgot to mention this in my first report, after completing the riekling quest Tirwin continues wearing the headdress and on my first run I took it from her right after we left the cave. When it was time to give it back to the Skaal she gave me another one and I ended up having two.

This is odd because the headdress is removed from her inventory with the first riekling scene (and not given to PC).

On 2/10/2025 at 3:04 AM, Donuts4me said:

I thought I messed up by taking it from her the first time. So, on the second run I did not take it manually at first and just let her keep wearing it. When she told me it was time to give it back and one was added to my inventory, she was still wearing it! So, I took it from her inventory to make her take it off and once again had two. I give one to Naryu for the quest and then I am left with one extra. Looks like this needs to be corrected.

Also, when she gives the headdress to Naryu, she gives it directly to Naryu, and not to the PC. 

 

Is it possible you gave her a custom outfit that included the headdress?

[Gristle]

On 2/10/2025 at 11:10 AM, Alex749 said:

There is a bug whit dialog whit Netch, it's when you ask for a friendly bull. 

 

The mod is working fine so far whit the new things, but i would not mind some bad ends (some animal that eats the mating partner maybe the spiders) you can take up and offer yourself for it when Tirwin looks on or stay behind and let Tirwin escape the thalmor's taking their brutal punishment for her.     

I can't find the dialogue bug you mention. What is the bug? Is it a typo? A programming problem?

[Gristle]

22 hours ago, leking said:

-Since the mod authors are also making public whore and balazar bitch maybe Tirwin could react or interact with those quest.

 

-For example she could react to the fact you are the public whore of the town . And/or comment the fact that you become the public whore for a new town   you dirty girl 😚 (By the way i don't know that is just with me but every time i meet her for the first time when i start a new game she always say "you? i thought you were a whore?" which is the truth even at lvl 1 🤣).

-When you start balazar bitch she could offer her help to solve the curse and accompany you on the quest if you have already done her own quest cause she is way more "experienced" and have a lot of "knowledge" now. She could even speak to you about the rumors of that armored husky in mara temple to point your way in order to start the quest. I think she is the perfect partner for that journey 😎

I made the Public Whore Comments add-on for the Public Whore mod, but not the Public Whore mod itself. That said, I'm pretty familiar with it, but my programming skills are limited. Specifically, I don't know how to interact with other mods without making them a dependency, other than by reading keywords on things generated by other mods - but that's pretty limiting.

 

Also, if Tirwin thinks your PC is a whore when she meets you, it's because your PC is naked in the Bannered Mare. 😅

[eflat01]

24 minutes ago, Gristle said:

I made the Public Whore Comments add-on for the Public Whore mod, but not the Public Whore mod itself. That said, I'm pretty familiar with it, but my programming skills are limited. Specifically, I don't know how to interact with other mods without making them a dependency, other than by reading keywords on things generated by other mods - but that's pretty limiting.

 

Also, if Tirwin thinks your PC is a whore when she meets you, it's because your PC is naked in the Bannered Mare. 😅

 

Tirwin calls my PC a whore all the time just due to SLSF + your SL Fame Comments. In fact it's a wonder we get anything done with Comments loaded. The PC gets solicited a lot due that mod... and she's plenty to say. 😜

 

qq: In the last version wasn't Snowflake repeatable after the quest? 

 

Edited February 12, 2025 by eflat01

[eflat01]

2 hours ago, Gristle said:

I can't find the dialogue bug you mention. What is the bug? Is it a typo? A programming problem?

 

All I can think of is where it's asking where you can find a netch?  I did not have a bug there, played through "Heights of Ecstacy" three times just to hit all the dialog but who knows? A bit more info when reporting a bug goes a long way...

Edited February 12, 2025 by eflat01

[Gristle]

21 hours ago, liniul said:

I started a new play through and another mod interfered with the initial conservation between the to elves in 

the bannered mare. Is there a console command to start the main quest after the initial conservation that didnt fire.

Thank you for your assistance . 

Use setstage VAR_MainQuest 30

[Gristle]

21 hours ago, leking said:

Just finished the horse quest . I am using aroused creature and ragnar was sent to the stables for a long time before we reached the horse in markart. But suddenly he came out of nowhere to jump on tirwin. It is normal with nearby animals but ragnar was supposed to be way to far away. Looks like he was able to travel through time and space to fuck his beloved mistress 🤣

Thanks for the feedback. It's a bug. I'll fix in the next update.

[Gristle]

5 hours ago, eflat01 said:

For one thing Naryu's dialog for the optional is only avail once you get Tirwin into action again. 

Actually, it becomes available after Tirwin's initial scenes with the rieklings are done.

5 hours ago, eflat01 said:

Ria had the dialog like we just completed the bear quest.

She will have this dialogue until it is selected, but only once.

 

5 hours ago, eflat01 said:

Ri'Sadd's Khajiit camps are barren. no tents, etc... dunno why?

Could he be on the road between camps? This takes days.

 

The plan is to go back and add more repeatable quests in a later version.

[eflat01]

52 minutes ago, Gristle said:

Actually, it becomes available after Tirwin's initial scenes with the rieklings are done.

She will have this dialogue until it is selected, but only once.

 

Could he be on the road between camps? This takes days.

 

The plan is to go back and add more repeatable quests in a later version.

 

52 minutes ago, Gristle said:

Actually, it becomes available after Tirwin's initial scenes with the rieklings are done.

She will have this dialogue until it is selected, but only once.

 

Could he be on the road between camps? This takes days.

 

The plan is to go back and add more repeatable quests in a later version.

 

1. I figured that out... just stating was well hidden, like I said sneaky - is an easter-egg.

 

2. Had had that Ria dialog before back on version .22 and was selected months ago, just surprised to see it again.  Tirwin's had been hanging around the Bannered Mare that long. 

 

3. No, sorry about that had to be something else likely in my load, the Khajiit were there sitting in there spots no camp around might had been a BOS tent replacer I have... anyway, I forced a restart of their vanilla quest and that cleared it up.

 

The real question I had was about Snowflake and Angi... She has the dialog to engage Ragnar but not call Snowflake back again in .33. I think she had that back in the prior version, Might be because I picked up where I left off at the end of version .22? 

 

Spoiler

Seems, Naryu goes back to the Bannered Mare once the quests are done. I kind of expected her to hang around the Netch ... the Drunken one I mean. Would be kind of nice if Lost Barel Mine had some use after Bareback Riding. 

 

 

Edited February 12, 2025 by eflat01

[Donuts4me]

8 hours ago, Gristle said:

College robes or custom outfit?

 

Her default robes. I have not touched her outfit (or anything in her inventory). I'm pretty sure on the first run she stayed naked like she was supposed to. Not sure what happened on the second run. The only times I ever even look at her inventory is when I want to take a look at one of the books.

 

8 hours ago, Gristle said:

This is odd because the headdress is removed from her inventory with the first riekling scene (and not given to PC).

 

She never took off the headdress in either of my playthroughs. I'm pretty sure she was wearing it during the animations as well. Although I might have to go back to double check on that.

 

8 hours ago, Gristle said:

Also, when she gives the headdress to Naryu, she gives it directly to Naryu, and not to the PC. 

 

Is it possible you gave her a custom outfit that included the headdress?

 

That is not how it went for me. When I talked to Tirwin about returning the headdress I got a notification in the upper-left corner that it had been added to my inventory. Then when I talked to Naryu and asked her to give it back to Freyka, it was removed.

 

Again I never touched her inventory before taking the headdress from her.

 

 

EDIT:

 

I gave 0.34 a quick run. She did take off the headdress right before the rieklings and it stayed off for the rest of the scene. It definitely wasn't there for animations like I suggested before.

 

On my first two playthroughs she definitely was wearing it when we exited the cave. That is when I took it from her the first time. On this third run, she was not wearing it when we exited the cave much to my surprise. However, when I fast travelled to the Headwaters, I found she had put it back on.

 

Spoiler

 

On her first scene with the werebear, she did take it off with the rest of her clothes. However, when they were done, she put only the headdress on and nothing else. She never takes it off from then on.

 

Spoiler

 

When this scene ends is when she gives me a copy (she is still wearing it).

 

Spoiler

 

When I get back to the village and talk to Naryu is when my copy gets removed. I give it to her. Quest complete. Tirwin still wears her copy.

 

Spoiler

 

Edited February 12, 2025 by Donuts4me

[killer905]

1 hour ago, eflat01 said:

The real question I had was about Snowflake and Angi... She has the dialog to engage Ragnar but not call Snowflake back again in .33. I think she had that back in the prior version, Might be because I picked up where I left off at the end of version .22? 

I am sure there is only the possibility during the quest Angi and Snowflake play with each other, but not after.

 

This was on the TO DO list along with a repeat event with Ria and Bear, but the DEV time of 0.30 was already 2 months due to the holidays and some problems we find during testing.

 

1 hour ago, eflat01 said:

 

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Seems, Naryu goes back to the Bannered Mare once the quests are done. I kind of expected her to hang around the Netch ... the Drunken one I mean. Would be kind of nice if Lost Barel Mine had some use after Bareback Riding. 

 

 

Another thing for the ‘TO DO List’ along with a revisit to Werebear :3

[leking]

just finished the trolls quest and i noticed something about dialogues.

 

When i asked ria if she wants tirwin , tirwin suggest to make a threesome. I quit dialogue to see if i have loaded a lesbian threesome animation and when i spoke to them back the dialogues was not available anymore. I dont know exactly how dialogues work in base game but making sure nothing disapear before the action has really been taken would be better and prevent such a thing.

 

Not sure if it is possible and don't know how complicated it would be if possible but because we don't know what the npc will suggest before talking to him it force you to save the game before every dialogues to miss nothing.

 

Not a big deal especially if you have the habit to save regulary and at every stage of a mod quest.

 

IDEA: Maybe in next update give the opportunity to make a repeatable threesome and 1on1 with ria , PC and tirwin as they seems to became really close at the end of the quest and already consent to do it in the cave (same with angi). I suppose Aela would not be against bringing 3 wolves and each girl would take one at the same time in some kind of orgy. Angi could tell you to come by anytime so she could call snowflake for you to enjoy. 

 

Ria as a follower could have the option to call olaf for your party to enjoy, Angi as follower could call snowflake anywhere and aela could as a follower also call a pack of several wolves (10 or more) to engage with them in 2/3/4/5p scene. Then  animals would disapear again in the nature.

Edited February 12, 2025 by leking