Devious Devices - Integration 4.3a (2019-09-10)

Jimi123 · June 10, 2018

if u use enb ... set in enblocal.ini

"
[THREADS] DataSyncMode=0 PriorityMode=0

DataSyncMode=0 and PriorityMode=0 is the recommended setting and should always be used, unless If you have CTD or problem when you load a save, set it to :

PriorityMode=3 and DataSyncMode=2, according to Boris' advice, it is the best balance between fix and performance for Nvidia users and
some ATI/AMD users "

i could now load a save and set these back to 0 and its running fine now.. but it wasnt this mod that crashes me...

i just have the issue that the pet suit is not workin is that because of slaverun ?

Jimi123 · June 10, 2018

33 minutes ago, ragnam said:

intresting, I take it you had t pose but the game save DID load? then AFTER you went back and ran FNIS you got a CTD even loading the same game save?
IF SO.....
Wonder if Groovman had a chance to look if the skeletons are up to date for running fnis or might see something faster then the rest of us?

I will try to duplicate that, my fnis has not be run and the lastest DDI is almost done installing again

UPDATE:
LOL yup, after install and not running LOOT or FNIS, game loads, no tpose (running off all fnis set point) was in game rebuilt slaloaders and then saved , no issues off the bat.
dropped back to desk top and ran FNIS and now CTD, must be the count or skeletons, game will not load on safe save!!!!!

FNIS Behavior V7.4.5 XXL 6/10/2018 10:13:38 AM
Skyrim 32bit: 1.9.32.0 - C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Skyrim\ (Steam)

Skeleton(hkx) female: XPMS2HDT (115 bones) male: XPMS2HDT (115 bones)
Patch: "GENDER Specific Animations"
Patch: "SKELETON Arm Fix"

Installing FNIS PCEA2
Reading 0Sex_0MF_D V?.? ...
Reading 0Sex_0MF_K V?.? ...
Reading 0Sex_0MF_M V?.? ...
Reading 0Sex_0MF_R V?.? ...
Reading 0Sex_0MF_S V?.? ...
Reading 0Sex_0MF_U V?.? ...
Reading 0Sex_EMF_A V?.? ...
Reading AnimationsByLeito V1.0 ...
Reading AnimationsByLeito_Aggressive V1.0 ...
Reading AnimationsByLeito_Creatures V1.0 ...
Reading AnimationsByLeito_Furniture V1.0 ...
Reading AnimationsByMike24 V1.0 ...
Reading Anubs Creature V1.0 ...
Reading Anubs Human V1.0 ...
Reading ArousedSexyIdles V?.? ( 0 furniture, 0 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 3 alternate animations) ...
Reading ASX V2.0 ...
Reading BBLSmusic V1.5 ...
Reading Billyy_Human V1.0 ...
Reading Billyy_HumanFurniture V1.0 ...
Reading DD V4.0.0 ( 0 furniture, 0 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 493 alternate animations) ...
Reading DD2 V4.0.0 ( 0 furniture, 0 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 330 alternate animations) ...
Reading DD3 V4.1.0 ( 0 furniture, 0 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 102 alternate animations) ...
Reading DDSL V4.0.0 ...
Reading Defeat V5 ( 0 furniture, 2 offset, 3 paired, 1 kill, 0 chair, 0 alternate animations) ...
Reading FNISBase V7.4.5 ...
Reading FNISCreatureVersion V6.1 ...
Reading FNISSexyMove V7.1 ( 0 furniture, 0 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 18 alternate animations) ...
Reading FNISSpells V5.0.1 ( 0 furniture, 0 offset, 9 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 0 alternate animations) ...
Reading FNIS_PCEA2 V1.3 ( 0 furniture, 0 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 557 alternate animations) ...
Reading Follow me for Sex V3.2 ( 1 furniture, 0 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 0 alternate animations) ...
Reading FunnyBizRape V11.0 ...
Reading ITortureFramework V1.00 ...
Reading K4Anims V1.0 ...
Reading milkypack V1.0 ...
Reading MiniNeeds V3.1 ...
Reading MoreNastyCritters V1.0 ...
Reading PAHE V5 ( 0 furniture, 2 offset, 1 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 0 alternate animations) ...
Reading PAH_HomeSweetHome V1.00 ( 1 furniture, 0 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 0 alternate animations) ...
Reading SexLab V1.62 ...
Reading SexLabAroused V?.? ...
Reading SexLabCreature V1.61 ...
Reading SexLabTDFAggressiveProstitution V?.? ...
Reading ShakeIt! V4.3 ...
Reading Suke V1.0 ...
Reading XPMSE V7.2 ( 0 furniture, 0 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 164 alternate animations) ...
Reading ZaZAnimationPack V8.00 ( 276 furniture, 45 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 0 alternate animations) ...
Reading ZaZAnimationPack+ V8.00 ( 14 furniture, 2 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 0 alternate animations) ...
Reading znarokspack V1.0 ...
Reading _ESG_0ER_F V?.? ...
Reading _ESG_0ER_M V?.? ...

All Anim Lists scanned. Generating Behavior Files...
No GENDER directory male
No GENDER directory female
Alternate Animation mods: 7 sets: 89 total groups: 353 added file slots: 3163 alternate files: 1667

Create Creature Behaviors ...
Reading MoreNastyCritters V1.0 ...
Reading Anubs Creature V1.0 ...
Reading SexLabCreature V1.62 ...
Reading AnimationsByLeito_Creatures V1.0 ...
Reading K4Anims V?.? ...

9522 animations for 50 mods successfully included (character)
1612 animations for 5 mods and 38 creatures successfully included.

0 possible consistence issues

Zaz animation pack 8.00

and zaz animation pack 8.00 + u dont need the normal v8.00 anymore ??

ragnam · June 10, 2018

50 minutes ago, Jimi123 said:

Zaz animation pack 8.00

and zaz animation pack 8.00 + u dont need the normal v8.00 anymore ??

ok will remove and try again
I have 4 of them
Animation pack + cbbe HDT V8
zap 8 plus wrist chains
zaz hdt workshop
ZAZ captive bound kneeling.

and your saying these are not need anymore or obsolete. the two I am removing just got release last month?
they were requirements of other mods. also it has all my CBBE HDT body sliders so I will be reinstalling it after this test.

Well that was a waste, my other installed mods scream they were a dependent of ZAZ, so ZAZ gets installed in again and are not obsolete so will have to try something else, or stay with the old DDI.

milky removed, mike24sl removed even Znaroks removed

All Anim Lists scanned. Generating Behavior Files...
No GENDER directory male
No GENDER directory female
Alternate Animation mods: 7 sets: 89 total groups: 353 added file slots: 3163 alternate files: 1667

Create Creature Behaviors ...
Reading MoreNastyCritters V1.0 ...
Reading Anubs Creature V1.0 ...
Reading SexLabCreature V1.62 ...
Reading AnimationsByLeito_Creatures V1.0 ...
Reading K4Anims V?.? ...

9441 animations for 48 mods successfully included (character)
1612 animations for 5 mods and 38 creatures successfully included.

0 possible consistence issues

still CTD

gheavy · June 10, 2018

@Kimy

Thanks for the update.

I also CTD'd on load initially, but it worked again after I got my animation count under 12 or 13k ?

A bug to report:

In the DDi MCM, the Events screen has x2 empty "Chance" entries. I've tried setstage ski_configmanagerinstance 1, but they are still there.

Spoiler

*foreveraloneguy* · June 10, 2018

Add another to the list... disabled animation packs until I got down to about the same number of animations as before the update. Still getting a CTD on load or new game.

DonQuiWho · June 10, 2018

1 hour ago, Jimi123 said:

Zaz animation pack 8.00

and zaz animation pack 8.00 + u dont need the normal v8.00 anymore ??

In the DDi thread, fore et al were talking about an upper limit on, i think, both AA sets (hard limit of 125) and a poss upper limit on AA anims that seems to vary at just over the 2000 mark. Might be worth a look?

That said, my game runs fine with about 2150

As for the others, in setting up a new game, initially I got CTDs afterr running FNIS on the updated DD mods, so I took out all my SLAL packs and got down from about 12000 to 6500, and am now adding the further mods I want, and then will add back the SLAL packs until it breaks

Jimi123 · June 10, 2018

so the game is workin fine just the pet suit is like in this screen... : i already run fnis with skeleton arm fix and still dont know what i could do to make it working... i want this look in the spoiler.. yes i used bodyslide... and i can walk slowly but i am not crawling... can anyone help me pls and answer me ?

Spoiler

load order

Spoiler

0 0     Skyrim.esm
1 1     Update.esm
2 2     Dawnguard.esm
3 3     HearthFires.esm
4 4     Dragonborn.esm
5 5     Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
6 6     hdtHighHeel.esm
7 7     CreatureFramework.esm
8 8     SexLab.esm
9 9     SexLabAroused.esm
10 a     ZaZAnimationPack.esm
11 b     ApachiiHair.esm
12 c     ApachiiHairFemales.esm
13 d     Devious Devices - Assets.esm
14 e     Heels Sound.esm
15 f     HentaiPregnancy.esm
16 10     Children+SoulGems.esm
17 11     Devious Devices - Integration.esm
18 12     Devious Devices - Expansion.esm
19 13     ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
20 14     SexLab - Sexual Fame [SLSF].esm
21 15     Amputator.esm
22 16     Heretical Resources.esm
23 17     DeviousFramework.esm
24 18     SkyUI.esp
25 19     XPMSE.esp
26 1a     RaceMenuMorphsUUNP.esp
27 1b     RaceMenu.esp
28 1c     RaceMenuPlugin.esp
29 1d     FNISSexyMove.esp
30 1e     Book of UUNP Iron And Steel.esp
31 1f     Book of UUNP - Textures.esp
32 20     Remodeled Armor - Underwear.esp
33 21     MilkModNEW.esp
34 22     xazPrisonOverhaulPatched.esp
35 23     MilkMod_MilkPumpsFancyB.esp
36 24     Luxury Collection.esp
37 25     Captured Dreams.esp
38 26     SexLabSkoomaWhore.esp
39 27     Slaverun_Reloaded.esp
40 28     Deviously Cursed Loot.esp
41 29     Alexandria_Standalone_Follower_by_germanware.esp
42 2a     superchancetodecap.esp
43 2b     UIExtensions.esp
44 2c     AddItemMenu2.esp
45 2d     GagSFX.esp
46 2e     Aradia Devious Expansion.esp
47 2f     DD_Helpers.esp
48 30     NIOVHH.esp
49 31     ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
50 32     ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp
51 33     CoT-WeatherPatch.esp
52 34     CoT-WeatherPatch_DB.esp
53 35     CoT-WeatherPatch_Snow-40.esp
54 36     CoT-WeatherPatch_NL1.esp
55 37     MoreNastyCritters.esp
56 38     DeadlyMutilation.esp
57 39     DW.esp
58 3a     MilkModNEW HF.esp
59 3b     MilkModNEW ZaZ.esp
60 3c     ForcedMilkMaid.esp
61 3d     KS Hairdo's.esp
62 3e     AMatterOfTime.esp
63 3f     Children+SoulGemsRemodel.esp
64 40     HelmetToggle.esp
65 41     SimpleSlavery.esp
66 42     a1Ravenous.esp
67 43     sr_FillHerUp.esp
68 44     sr_FillThemUp.esp
69 45     BrandingDeviceOfDoom.esp
70 46     Luxury Collection Vendor.esp
71 47     FNISspells.esp
72 48     S_L_U_T_S.esp
73 49     Deviously Enslaved.esp
74 4a     Children+SoulGemsDragonborn.esp
75 4b     JaxonzEnhGrab.esp
76 4c     SLAnimLoader.esp
77 4d     SlaveTatsEventsBridge.esp
78 4e     SLALAnimObj.esp
79 4f     mcgDwarvenDeviousCuirass.esp
80 50     SexLab Inflation Framework.esp
81 51     Bijin Warmaidens.esp
82 52     Bijin NPCs.esp
83 53     Bijin Wives.esp
84 54     Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer.esp
85 55     Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dawnguard.esp
86 56     Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dragonborn.esp
           CharacterMakingExtender.esp
87 57     SlaveTats.esp
88 58     BBD_Nova.esp
89 59     Crazy Belle III.esp
90 5a     Demonatrix.esp
91 5b     V4 Maid.esp
92 5c     BlackSacramentArmor.esp
93 5d     TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
94 5e     BlackSacramentDBReplacer.esp
95 5f     BlackLaceMiniDress.esp
96 60     FNIS.esp
97 61     dcc-dm2.esp
98 62     Slaverun_Reloaded_Comments.esp
           Bashed Patch, 0.esp

ragnam · June 10, 2018

I am reverting back to the previous DDi, and installing back in like 9 other mods trying to get this to be under some round about number?
I will keep an eye on the updates, but I need to get back to work on other stuff.

ragnam · June 10, 2018

27 minutes ago, donkeywho said:

In the DDi thread, fore et al were talking about an upper limit on, i think, both AA sets (hard limit of 125) and a poss upper limit on AA anims that seems to vary at just over the 2000 mark. Might be worth a look?

That said, my game runs fine with about 2150

As for the others, in setting up a new game, initially I got CTDs afterr running FNIS on the updated DD mods, so I took out all my SLAL packs and got down from about 12000 to 6500, and am now adding the further mods I want, and then will add back the SLAL packs until it breaks

be nice if they listed how many animations are in each DDi choice, then people can kind of figure out how many other mods to remove to make room.

Dinkel · June 10, 2018

2 hours ago, ragnam said:

LOL yup, after install and not running LOOT or FNIS, game loads, no tpose (running off all fnis set point) was in game rebuilt slaloaders and then saved , no issues off the bat.
dropped back to desk top and ran FNIS and now CTD, must be the count or skeletons, game will not load on safe save!!!!!

Exactly the same situation i'm in, reverting back to old dd now aswell sadly

Thelargir · June 10, 2018

I'm having the same problem with CTD's. Have been going through my modlist, and deactivating a few mods at a time, to locate the problem by way of elimination, and this new version is the only mod that causes the CTD's.
Will wait for a fix, in the meantime, I'll continue using 3.0

*Kimy* · June 10, 2018

We had a discussion about this in the dev thread, when we first noticed a number of people having animation loads so close to breaking point that installing DD 4.1 tipped it over. In the end, that's not avoidable in a scenario where there are finite resources available for modders to use, but modders keep using more and more of them, and make more and more mods. People will have to make choices. Like not installing every single SLAL pack just because it's available. Or installing mods that essentially do the same thing (like OSex plus SexLab), Or frameworks that do the same thing (DD4 plus ZAP 8). Or mods that add a little bit of fluff but need a lot of animation slots.

LL modding traditionally didn't make people choose. There were not many SL animations available for the longest time. There were not that many naughty mods overall. But outsides of LL, people always had to choose what to install - maybe Nexus users are just more used to the idea than we are, because it's immediately obvious that you can't install everything on Nexus in the same load order.

These times are over - and that's a GOOD thing. People have a choice now. They can pick from a lot of different SLAL packs made for different tastes. They can pick from a large inventory of mods, and even pick from frameworks that do the same thing, just different (e.g. DD4 or ZAP 8 ). But no, you can't just drop them all in the same load order and expect things to work. These times are over, too. And people need to accept that.

I will be open - we're not quite done adding animations to DD. People ask for more bound sex animations that work with our devices - and we will deliver them. People ask for more devices, and some of them will need more AA. Some devices don't yet have struggle animations, and we will make these, too. We are very aware of animation slots being finite, and we're not going to hog so many resources that we're strangulating the air out of other popular mods people want to use. But as I said in the dev thread - the DD family of mods provides so many hours of content that it amounts to the next best thing to a total conversion of Skyrim, just that the vanilla content is still playable, too. It's not reasonable to expect the framework supporting such a tremendous amount of content to leave only a tiny engine footprint.

If people want to revert to DD 4.0 because they don't want to let go of all these SLAL packs, and fluff mods, and whatnot, that's fine. But we're not going to offer or support older DD versions, and the DD family of mods will likely move on and use the new features in 4.1 and the versions to come. We still have a lot of ideas for great features to add to DD. People can either make room for DD in their load orders, or install something else. It's what they already do, except DD has grown a little, so it needs a bit more room than before.

*CGi* · June 10, 2018

13 minutes ago, Kimy said:

Words

On point.

As additional information: The amount of max. animations a game takes is variable and depending on a still unknown factor.

For me it fluctuates between 10400 and 11800, depending on the animations i use. So a little bit of trial & error is needed to get things working.

LazyBoot · June 10, 2018

47 minutes ago, Jimi123 said:

so the game is workin fine just the pet suit is like in this screen... : i already run fnis with skeleton arm fix and still dont know what i could do to make it working... i want this look in the spoiler.. yes i used bodyslide... and i can walk slowly but i am not crawling... can anyone help me pls and answer me ?

Reveal hidden contents

load order

Reveal hidden contents

0 0     Skyrim.esm
1 1     Update.esm
2 2     Dawnguard.esm
3 3     HearthFires.esm
4 4     Dragonborn.esm
5 5     Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
6 6     hdtHighHeel.esm
7 7     CreatureFramework.esm
8 8     SexLab.esm
9 9     SexLabAroused.esm
10 a     ZaZAnimationPack.esm
11 b     ApachiiHair.esm
12 c     ApachiiHairFemales.esm
13 d     Devious Devices - Assets.esm
14 e     Heels Sound.esm
15 f     HentaiPregnancy.esm
16 10     Children+SoulGems.esm
17 11     Devious Devices - Integration.esm
18 12     Devious Devices - Expansion.esm
19 13     ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
20 14     SexLab - Sexual Fame [SLSF].esm
21 15     Amputator.esm
22 16     Heretical Resources.esm
23 17     DeviousFramework.esm
24 18     SkyUI.esp
25 19     XPMSE.esp
26 1a     RaceMenuMorphsUUNP.esp
27 1b     RaceMenu.esp
28 1c     RaceMenuPlugin.esp
29 1d     FNISSexyMove.esp
30 1e     Book of UUNP Iron And Steel.esp
31 1f     Book of UUNP - Textures.esp
32 20     Remodeled Armor - Underwear.esp
33 21     MilkModNEW.esp
34 22     xazPrisonOverhaulPatched.esp
35 23     MilkMod_MilkPumpsFancyB.esp
36 24     Luxury Collection.esp
37 25     Captured Dreams.esp
38 26     SexLabSkoomaWhore.esp
39 27     Slaverun_Reloaded.esp
40 28     Deviously Cursed Loot.esp
41 29     Alexandria_Standalone_Follower_by_germanware.esp
42 2a     superchancetodecap.esp
43 2b     UIExtensions.esp
44 2c     AddItemMenu2.esp
45 2d     GagSFX.esp
46 2e     Aradia Devious Expansion.esp
47 2f     DD_Helpers.esp
48 30     NIOVHH.esp
49 31     ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
50 32     ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp
51 33     CoT-WeatherPatch.esp
52 34     CoT-WeatherPatch_DB.esp
53 35     CoT-WeatherPatch_Snow-40.esp
54 36     CoT-WeatherPatch_NL1.esp
55 37     MoreNastyCritters.esp
56 38     DeadlyMutilation.esp
57 39     DW.esp
58 3a     MilkModNEW HF.esp
59 3b     MilkModNEW ZaZ.esp
60 3c     ForcedMilkMaid.esp
61 3d     KS Hairdo's.esp
62 3e     AMatterOfTime.esp
63 3f     Children+SoulGemsRemodel.esp
64 40     HelmetToggle.esp
65 41     SimpleSlavery.esp
66 42     a1Ravenous.esp
67 43     sr_FillHerUp.esp
68 44     sr_FillThemUp.esp
69 45     BrandingDeviceOfDoom.esp
70 46     Luxury Collection Vendor.esp
71 47     FNISspells.esp
72 48     S_L_U_T_S.esp
73 49     Deviously Enslaved.esp
74 4a     Children+SoulGemsDragonborn.esp
75 4b     JaxonzEnhGrab.esp
76 4c     SLAnimLoader.esp
77 4d     SlaveTatsEventsBridge.esp
78 4e     SLALAnimObj.esp
79 4f     mcgDwarvenDeviousCuirass.esp
80 50     SexLab Inflation Framework.esp
81 51     Bijin Warmaidens.esp
82 52     Bijin NPCs.esp
83 53     Bijin Wives.esp
84 54     Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer.esp
85 55     Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dawnguard.esp
86 56     Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dragonborn.esp
           CharacterMakingExtender.esp
87 57     SlaveTats.esp
88 58     BBD_Nova.esp
89 59     Crazy Belle III.esp
90 5a     Demonatrix.esp
91 5b     V4 Maid.esp
92 5c     BlackSacramentArmor.esp
93 5d     TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
94 5e     BlackSacramentDBReplacer.esp
95 5f     BlackLaceMiniDress.esp
96 60     FNIS.esp
97 61     dcc-dm2.esp
98 62     Slaverun_Reloaded_Comments.esp
           Bashed Patch, 0.esp

If you're running sexlab inflation with the patch, it WILL break DD until slif release an update.

*Pfiffy* · June 10, 2018

43 minutes ago, ragnam said:

be nice if they listed how many animations are in each DDi choice, then people can kind of figure out how many other mods to remove to make room.

They are there... FNIS is quite accurate... But alternative anims are not counted in the same way the usual anims are counted. And there seem to be other things, that have an influence on the number of anims that can be loaded, far away from the anims themself.

grundor67 · June 10, 2018

Just throwing this out there. For those having CTD issues, I had the same thing when I first installed the updates and ran FNIS. The thing I noticed though was that FNIS didn't pick up on about 600 anims the first run through (only registered 9464 anims). Initially I thought I had botched the install of the DDi, DDa and DDx so I uninstalled and immediately reinstalled each, ran LOOT then ran FNIS again. The second time around FNIS showed a little over 10100 anims registered. I am using NMM and LOOT as well as FNIS (xxl version). I've not had anymore CTD's since. Just for the record, I have nearly 600 mods installed with 246 plugins being used. Also of note, I use Zaz animation pack 8.0 with CBBE HDT and uninstalled 7.0. Additionally, I ran a batch build with Bodyslide studio just to make sure all the new meshes played well with my body shape. (I'm sure that had no bearing on the CTD issue but I wanted to cover all my bases.)

Hope this helps.

Jimi123 · June 10, 2018

31 minutes ago, LazyBoot said:

If you're running sexlab inflation with the patch, it WILL break DD until slif release an update.

thanks thats it ... its working fine now .. i already read that somewhere else and reinstalled that patch so now the pet suit is working fine and everything else also.. even the other mods which depend on v 4.0

Thanks

look here just some clipping is there an easy way to fix it ? i really need a step by step... have never done this before and i cant find it in the outfit manager

Reesewow · June 10, 2018

Just incase it helps some of those with CTD due to animation overload issue, I thought I'd post my experience and technique I used to troubleshoot this and get working again with minimum disturbance to my load order.

First install - straight upgrade of DD from 4.0 -> 4.1 with my old load order and got CTDs. My FNIS output was:

Alternate Animation mods: 6 sets: 61 total groups: 309 added file slots: 2330 alternate files: 1251
10748 animations for 49 mods (character)
3901 animations for 13 mods and 43 creatures

First attempt to reduce my animation load - I removed Display Model 2 (I don't actually find I use it) and one SLAL pack I don't actively use which was Nazonootoko's Tropical Island SLAL pack.

The CTD was still occuring. Resulting FNIS output was:

Alternate Animation mods: 6 sets: 61 total groups: 309 added file slots: 2330 alternate files: 1251
10120 animations for 44 mods (character)
3901 animations for 13 mods and 43 creatures

Second step to reducing my animation load - I downgraded from ZAP 8 to ZAP 7, as I currently am not running a mod that requires 8.

Success! I can again load my saves and start new games just fine, and have no serious issues with my game so far. FNIS output was:

Alternate Animation mods: 6 sets: 61 total groups: 309 added file slots: 2330 alternate files: 1251
9284 animations for 44 mods (character)
3901 animations for 13 mods and 43 creatures

Basically, my suggestion for those that find they need to make decisions on what to keep installed is to look at the mods you have currently, and see if you have things that add a lot of animations that you do not use often or do not need. Some of these mods have a huge animation footprint even when you do not realize it.

One thing that helped me see what mods may have large animation files was simply to look in my Meshes\actors\character\behaviors folder and sort by file size.

This was done using NMM - I imagine MO users may have an easier time finding a balance by starting with the minimum "required" mods and adding animations a few at a time until you hit CTDs again.

ragnam · June 10, 2018

so is there a total animation count for each setting when you install DDi, like is it 18 animations or is it like 900 animations. might give people an idea how many mods they have to uninstall for this one mod.
just by saying ball park "a lot of new animations in this release", is kind of hard to judge.

I might be able to do with dance animations and music and maybe remove OSEX but would have to patch those other mods to run without it or even ZAZ

considering I remove a few extra anmations and the DDI mod itself and fnis was as low as this and did not work

All Anim Lists scanned. Generating Behavior Files...
No GENDER directory male
No GENDER directory female
Alternate Animation mods: 4 sets: 47 total groups: 101 added file slots: 1165 alternate files: 742

Create Creature Behaviors ...
Reading MoreNastyCritters V1.0 ...
Reading Anubs Creature V1.0 ...
Reading SexLabCreature V1.62 ...
Reading AnimationsByLeito_Creatures V1.0 ...
Reading K4Anims V?.? ...

8201 animations for 44 mods successfully included (character).
1612 animations for 5 mods and 38 creatures successfully included..
1 Warning(s).

0 possible consistence issues

so do we need to go as low as 8000 or 7500 or 7000 for it to be enough room ? if so that means DDi has like 2000 animations of its own?

*Kimy* · June 10, 2018

I would go one step further and suggest not to add animations until stuff starts to break left and right. Think hard about what mods and animations you REALLY want and install these and these only. If you have installed everything you REALLY need and it works - good for you. Go play the game and have fun. There no need to fill up the glass until it spills. Mods will still grow, and you will want to have breathing room for when that happens. Otherwise people will have to go through the same routine every single time a mod is going add a few animations.

Since we're at it....

In all honesty, people will probably have to get used to the idea that they can use -either- DD or ZAP 8, too. Both frameworks continue to grow and both contain a substantial number of animations. I am mentioning this because I am seeing mods appearing that set dependencies on BOTH, and I am not sure if that will be sustainable for long. DD and ZAP 8 are frameworks that offer very similar functionality, but each needs a certain amount of resources to function. At the current pace of development, I cannot see how users are supposed to run both in the same load order in the future, so modders should be aware of this when setting dependencies.

I guess now is as good a time as any to say this, but I advise -against- developing mods using resources from -both- DD and ZAP 8, and I will quote this post if I am getting blamed for related problems modders will run into later on. At least don't blame me in a year or two when when ZAP 11 and DD 6 can't exist in the same load order anymore without making people's game CTD all the time, and that's VERY likely to happen. Developers of DD mods with legacy dependencies on ZAP are advised to stick to ZAP 7 for the time being.

*Pfiffy* · June 10, 2018

13 minutes ago, Kimy said:

I would go one step further and suggest not to add animations until stuff starts to break left and right. Think hard about what mods and animations you REALLY want and install these and these only. If you have installed everything you REALLY need and it works - good for you. Go play the game and have fun. There no need to fill up the glass until it spills. Mods will still grow, and you will want to have breathing room for when that happens. Otherwise people will have to go through the same routine every single time a mod is going add a few animations.

Since we're at it....

In all honesty, people will probably have to get used to the idea that they can use -either- DD or ZAP 8, too. Both frameworks continue to grow and both contain a substantial number of animations. I am mentioning this because I am seeing mods appearing that set dependencies on BOTH, and I am not sure if that will be sustainable for long. DD and ZAP 8 are frameworks that offer very similar functionality, but each needs a certain amount of resources to function. At the current pace of development, I cannot see how users are supposed to run both in the same load order in the future, so modders should be aware of this when setting dependencies.

I guess now is as good a time as any to say this, but I advise -against- developing mods using resources from -both- DD and ZAP 8, and I will quote this post if I am getting blamed for related problems modders will run into later on. At least don't blame me in a year or two when when ZAP 11 and DD 6 can't exist in the same load order anymore without making people's game CTD all the time, and that's VERY likely to happen. Developers of DD mods with legacy dependencies on ZAP are advised to stick to ZAP 7 for the time being.

27 minutes ago, ragnam said:

so is there a total animation count for each setting when you install DDi, like is it 18 animations or is it like 900 animations. might give people an idea how many mods they have to uninstall for this one mod.
just by saying ball park "a lot of new animations in this release", is kind of hard to judge.

I might be able to do with dance animations and music and maybe remove OSEX but would have to patch those other mods to run without it or even ZAZ

considering I remove a few extra anmations and the DDI mod itself and fnis was as low as this and did not work

All Anim Lists scanned. Generating Behavior Files...
No GENDER directory male
No GENDER directory female
Alternate Animation mods: 4 sets: 47 total groups: 101 added file slots: 1165 alternate files: 742

Create Creature Behaviors ...
Reading MoreNastyCritters V1.0 ...
Reading Anubs Creature V1.0 ...
Reading SexLabCreature V1.62 ...
Reading AnimationsByLeito_Creatures V1.0 ...
Reading K4Anims V?.? ...

8201 animations for 44 mods successfully included (character).
1612 animations for 5 mods and 38 creatures successfully included..
1 Warning(s).

0 possible consistence issues

so do we need to go as low as 8000 or 7500 or 7000 for it to be enough room ? if so that means DDi has like 2000 animations of its own?

mh... I had DDi in developmen shortly before the release, ZAZ 8+, Flowergirls with a few addons, SL 1.63, Pahe with addons, Mia, Bruma, Maids, running, but i limited myself to not so many fancy stuff... Worked fine.... around 16000 Anims total. I had to cut a few out, as DCL came in as I started to work on DCL. Its not only anims, that break Skyrim. They are just the easy way out.

Player80 · June 10, 2018

3 hours ago, LazyBoot said:

If you're running sexlab inflation with the patch, it WILL break DD until slif release an update.

I remember something like this with a previous update of either DD or SLIF, and we had to manually remove a script file.

I can't find the post in SLIF's forum thread so can you tell me what files should be removed please?

WilhelmCarstein · June 10, 2018

I just downloaded the new update, the pet suit animation doesn't work for me. Can anyone help?

Lute · June 10, 2018

Hey all, I'm having trouble finding the changelog for 4.0 (not 4.1) so I'm posting here.

I haven't touched my game since a year ago, and just updated my DD mods to 4.1. I had my own custom implementation of DD wrist cuffs as an armbinder using, iirc, offsetboundstanding.hkx (or whatever ZAP used for its wrist cuffs animations) under 3.3b. After this update, they've now been using Feuertin's armbinder animations. While they're lovely, they don't really fit the cuffs, so I'm trying to figure how I can bring them back after being a year out of the scene. I would really appreciate any help on this!

On another note, the bound animations seem to break more easily than they used to in 3.3b. NPCs lose their bound animations after a while and just revert back to regular idles. Is there a script that still scans for this or was it dropped in favor of lighter games?

Dinkel · June 10, 2018

4 minutes ago, dennel said:

I just downloaded the new update, the pet suit animation doesn't work for me. Can anyone help?

did you run fnis after installing the update ?

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