Auds Multi-coloured Kink Shop

[CaptainJ03]

Der Föhn hatte gelogen - er war ein verzauberter Rasierapparat ?

 

Took me a while to parse Einsamkeit = Solitude. Calling the busyest town in Skyrim "Loneliness" is a bit odd.

 

I don't like the start in the Winking Skeever (*) - why not use Taarie's "Fit for a Jarl" quest, just as Deviously Vanilla did? (AFAIK that mod has been taken down in the meantime)

 

Asking the Jarl, "do you like my outfit" could lead to the response, "I like it so much that I want to fuck you right now!"

Of course you can object - in which case she would call the guards to chain you to her bed. If you said yes, other members of the court would have their way with you, too.

 

Afterwards you go back to Taarie, who then tries to get the suit off you. It doesn't budge. "Did you have sex?" Damn. You're really stuck.

 

Now you could start to go searching for a Dwemer expert, which leads you to some NPC or just some notes, spread across one big Dwemer Ruin.

 

 

(*) my PC would be out in the moment it says: Have sex with men. Never, if it can be avoided.

Edited December 29, 2022 by CaptainJ03

[NoirXiaoba]

6 minutes ago, CaptainJ03 said:

my PC would be out in the moment it says: Have sex with men. Never, if it can be avoided

So your version of the story goes the "either voluntarily or rape" route, which I utterly despise. What's the fascination with playing the victim of one of the most vile and heinous crimes imaginable anyways? I might not agree with the sex part of the entire story at all, but at least it's voluntary.

[NoirXiaoba]

I wasn't critizising you, @Miauzi, quite the opposite. I find your concept compelling, as it is about a struggle for control as opposed to the power play in most of the "if you don't give in the collar strangulates you because symbiote needs sexy time" suggestions. Stories about fights that actually can be won (or turned into a pyrrhic victory) are inherently more interesting than any "do as I say or die" fantasies.

Edited December 29, 2022 by NoirXiaoba

[audhol]

53 minutes ago, NoirXiaoba said:

What's the fascination with playing the victim of one of the most vile and heinous crimes imaginable anyways? I

Yeah I'm with you on that, what's even more despicable is the idea that the female actually enjoys it and can orgasm from being raped. What if the suit protects the wearer from noncon insomuch as if she's attacked it shuts all the openings making her completely chastised? The suit feeds on her sexual energy so it would protect her from anything that would lower her pleasure right? 

[CaptainJ03]

1 hour ago, Miauzi said:

I had to search for a while to even get the background of this quest out

Vanilla Skyrim. Fit for a Jarl

 

1 hour ago, NoirXiaoba said:

So your version of the story goes the "either voluntarily or rape" route, which I utterly despise

Giving this a real-world approach you're absolutely right. It happens quite often with Cursed Loot, so I didn't even give it a second thought.

On the other hand - I thought this whole trapped in a rubberdoll suit is involuntary all the way through? A "voluntary" start that traps you is no better in my eyes.

[NoirXiaoba]

3 minutes ago, CaptainJ03 said:

I thought this whole trapped in a rubberdoll suit is involuntary all the way through?

There's a very distinct difference between "being trapped involuntarily and having a choice whether or not to fuck while trying to figure out how to get out of it" and "if you don't play along voluntarily I will make you". One leaves both you and - by transition - your PC in control of their situation, the other railroads you, which is always the easy (for the author) and boring (for the audience) way out.

 

Miauzi's story has the element of sex, because it's a mod with an erotic undertone, but their concept always leaves room for different approaches. The PC may decline the offer of "fuck three people and earn 3.000 gold", there may be an alternate route to "fuck Calcermo to get the information you need". The rape isn't hard-baked into Miauzi's concept, instead from a doylist perspective you as the player ALWAYS keep in control, you ALWAYS have a choice. This is as much about transitional (as in: through the fourth wall) control over a situation as it is about "I like watching my digital woman getting fucked". If you just like to be trapped in rubber and get raped, there's plenty of that stuff out there, just take a pick.

 

So far I thought that the story was the focus of this mod, and I still don't see how Fucking is a hard requirement and there couldn't be another way out. It might be more costly or very dangerous, the doll suit might want to "corrupt" the PC or trigger her darkest desires (the struggle for control being a very compelling story, to be honest), but it should be offered as an option. And if you want to see pixel people fuck, that option isn't off the table, but I wouldn't be utterly repulsed by the entirety of the concept.

[NoirXiaoba]

I think I'm out then. Which is fair, since I cannot contribute to the project anyway, except for making my (minority) voice being heard.

[NoirXiaoba]

No worries. No hard feelings. ^^

[NoirXiaoba]

26 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

So if you can already get out before the "evil" variants appear - why even work out a non-sexual side path for the search for a solution?

I just can't get this "switched" in my head?
Please explain it to me - please

My primary problem is with the mandatory sex prior to the split.

 

Imagine for a moment, I were in place of my PC. I am ace, so I don't care for sex and I would never get intimate with any strangers at all period. I could, however, be persuaded to show off kinky or revealing clothes - for a price. Because I swing that way and never have the opportunity to do so, so someone paying me to do it? Hell yeah, count me in! So, what would I do when I find out cannot take the dress off? When I'm suddenly without prior notice (this was not part of the initial contract according to your draft) am asked to perform sex acts? I would try and find the quest giver to get some answers from him, if neccessary by force. Since Solitude is more or less a high level town, I'm probably well-armed at that point and capable of defending myself. I would not, however, give in and go "oh, okay, then let's fuck, but only thrice".

 

As a player my focus is different from yours: I like the idea of being trapped in the suit and having to fight its influence. Solving the puzzle getting to the bottom of the story, learning that I'm trapped and unlocking the benevolent variant of the suit is the driving force and interest for me. Who made it? Who commissioned it? What were their plans with it? How can I get out of it? Who knows about the dwemer tech? Do the dwemer have a solution for my predicament? Your entire musing about a thane commissioning the suit to break the will of someone he's in love with but isn't interesting in him I found extremely compelling! Bringing him to justice for his misdeeds would be an amazing route, especially since Solitude's Jarl is A FRIGGING WOMAN constantly fighting misoginy! The sex however does nothing for me. The rape (and let's not beat around the bushes here, it IS rape from my perspective) is a line I am NOT willing to cross under any circumstances.

 

If you feel, the sex/orgy is neccessary to kick off the storyline, that's fine. I don't think it's an undisputable neccessity to make the "trapped in a sex doll suit" quest interesting or compelling. And it being mandatory simply means it's not for me.

[CaptainJ03]

4 hours ago, NoirXiaoba said:

There's a very distinct difference between "being trapped involuntarily and having a choice whether or not to fuck while trying to figure out how to get out of it" and "if you don't play along voluntarily I will make you". One leaves both you and - by transition - your PC in control of their situation, the other railroads you, which is always the easy (for the author) and boring (for the audience) way out.

My apologies - my post was an "early morning befor coffee" idea and not thought through in any means. I hate having no choice and like the idea of being stuck in the suit. looking for a way out.

 

2 hours ago, Miauzi said:

ou mean a vanilla quest should be changed?

Uhm, yes, why not? Chance that silly dress to the nice rubbersuit, just because Taarie is a pervert.

 

2 hours ago, Miauzi said:

The lady is heterosexual - your game character for the doll suit must be female.

The lady might have been married - does that make her hetero?

 

As the very least this quest should have an approach for a lesbian character. If I had the patience to learn animating, I'd never do a single frame involving any male.

 

2 hours ago, Miauzi said:

We have been discussing this here and in the previous thread for months and have been looking for a solution.

My suggestion with the little story in the inn was accepted by many as a viable way.

My apologies again. This thread is moving way too fast for me to follow, I've only skimmed the edges.

There was talk about doing a brainstorming - just scrap my idea, as I said, this was early in the morning.

 

over and out.

[NoirXiaoba]

25 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

Please suggest a food aka energy source.

I'm still waiting for something that can be used to build an alternative...
..which has at least enough carrying capacity that you can build a non-sexual version out of it

Sexual Energy is a pretty abstract concept anyway, so I don't see why it couldn't be substituted with any sufficiently extreme emotion. Noticing that I was tricked would make me furious, so there's your Energy Source. Make it less nourishing than fucking but sufficient to keep the collar alive in the moment. Now the collar has a motivation to try and get the PC into fucking, while the PC has a way to calm the collar's hunger in extreme situations.

 

It was stated earlier in this thread that a cooperative sexual relationship is more beneficial, because a woman that's being violated usually doesn't get to an orgasm. So trying to break a victim to do something against their very nature would be an exercise in futility. Keep in mind, sex isn't something an ace just doesn't want. It's more like asking a lesbian to "just love men already". It doesn't work like that. In-universe this could be an explanation why the dwemer never brought these collars out of development. They simply didn't work satisfactorily.

 

Masturbation, however, would be an acceptable "out", I guess. Still unusual, but at least not a violation of the wearer. Especially with the "explanation" of being turned on by the suit. I think it was mentioned as an aside earlier but then fell under the table. I lost sight of this option as well. My apologies.

 

I still feel while mechanically compelling, the story of being trapped in the suit alone is too little to carry a quest. I'm itching for a real mystery behind the suit that the player can solve to unlock the benevolent, cooperative version of the collar. Just giving it to me as a blessing by the Nine feels cheap and undeserved. A blessing to make it easier to subdue the collar if so desired would be more interesting as a mechanic. The keyword here is Player Agency. Railroading is the opposite of that.

[NoirXiaoba]

Maybe it's the language barrier but this is getting frustrating.

 

I'm not opposed to the binding. I'm opposed to the "sex is mandatory" part of it. I gave you a couple of ideas how to circumvent all of that without having to sacrifice too much or any of the original intend. Everything else is up to you. But right now it feels like you're blinded by tunnel vision.

 

I can't stress this enough: Most people in this thread don't complain about your initial idea. They dig it. An you're under no obligation to please my taste specifically. I'm only in it for the cute dresses and a mystery to solve anyway.

 

So I'll be cutting my losses. When it's done, I'll focus on the standalone version of the clothes and be content.

[naaitsab]

6 hours ago, NoirXiaoba said:

There's a very distinct difference between "being trapped involuntarily and having a choice whether or not to fuck while trying to figure out how to get out of it" and "if you don't play along voluntarily I will make you". One leaves both you and - by transition - your PC in control of their situation, the other railroads you, which is always the easy (for the author) and boring (for the audience) way out.

 

Miauzi's story has the element of sex, because it's a mod with an erotic undertone, but their concept always leaves room for different approaches. The PC may decline the offer of "fuck three people and earn 3.000 gold", there may be an alternate route to "fuck Calcermo to get the information you need". The rape isn't hard-baked into Miauzi's concept, instead from a doylist perspective you as the player ALWAYS keep in control, you ALWAYS have a choice. This is as much about transitional (as in: through the fourth wall) control over a situation as it is about "I like watching my digital woman getting fucked". If you just like to be trapped in rubber and get raped, there's plenty of that stuff out there, just take a pick.

 

So far I thought that the story was the focus of this mod, and I still don't see how Fucking is a hard requirement and there couldn't be another way out. It might be more costly or very dangerous, the doll suit might want to "corrupt" the PC or trigger her darkest desires (the struggle for control being a very compelling story, to be honest), but it should be offered as an option. And if you want to see pixel people fuck, that option isn't off the table, but I wouldn't be utterly repulsed by the entirety of the concept.

Well the multiple approaches makes writing and coding immensely more complex. I get it from a, let's say more voluntary mindset that it's desirable but it's an _absolute_ nightmare to work out multiple arcs and choices. So we need to get some kind of agreement on a mostly fixed story with small deviations on the how-and-why like in how the suit effect work and if there are any effects at all or it's all from NPC's. Otherwise it will never work ingame.

 

As I suggested before please all start small and try to agree on something we can work on. Before we start spamming walls of text that are hard to follow for many, or people noping out. My personal preference is a more controlled way but a more relaxed story is also fine by me. But I'm not going to start going down the rabbithole of making dozens of story arc ingame. Anyone who has made quests for Skyrim before knows exactly why and it's a hard limit for me to offer my time to code.

 

If people have hard limits on certain approaches to the way sexual content is handled that is of course fine and should be respected but it will also be kinda hard to implement. A bit of both (forced and voluntary) will be required to make it a bit compelling or even a story worth writing. If having either existing in the story is a full no-go than we can never agree on something and it's doomed to fail. It's not the opinion that is wrong but if there is 0 room for both companies to moderate their demands then I would suggest not joining in the brainstorm.

 

Let me make it extra clear I'm not trying to downplay or offend anyone but I'm only trying to keep it realistic. Writing a story is one thing, making it ingame is a whole other beast.

[kurotatsu]

Development of any complex quest should be done in iterations, basically first build the main skeleton of mod, with one main path and then slowly add variety and flavor to it as needed.

I.e. to start doing anything first "main path" should be defined. After it's done - alternatives can be thought out and added.

[audhol]

@Miauzi

That's kinda harsh as sometimes you write in German sometimes in English. I understand you've put a lot of time into writing a whole backstory but that doesn't mean it has to be just like you say. Like I said before and as @naaitsab said as well we need to work together if you are set on the sexdoll mod being exactly as you want it to be I suggest you learn how to script, model and build quests.

(not just Miauzi but everyone) 

The whole point is it should be fun and a hobby not some strict streamlined production line. 

 

We have already lost one person following this thread which I presume is down to the bickering of the last couple of days, quite honestly I'm sorry I started to talk about brainstorming, it's been nothing but a dogs dinner and is not what I would call fun by any stretch of the imagination. 

 

SO THIS IS MY THREAD, 

from now on any post not in English will be ignored, if that sounds harsh then sorry but it is the universal language we can all understand or translate. 

Any comment claiming to have more right to a point of view than someone else will also be ignored or deleted, we are all equal here whether new or old to the thread. 

And I don't know what else honestly everytime I'm happy that people are interested in the things we are doing some shit comes up to spoil it. Like I enjoy talking to you lot and sharing ideas but everytime time just as it starts to get good something comes along to spoil it. Maybe it's me and I bring this on myself but reading all these comments that belittle others opinions are not what I wanted for this thread. 

 

Y'all want me to delete it and just do my own thing? Is that what I should do? When the stuff about the DD replacement catsuit went off I took it on myself as being all my fault so maybe this is the same. 

 

You know what just fight amongst yourselves and make your doll mod how you want, it's not like I could do it on my own so nothing is lost. I'll just do my models and give you permissions to use it. 

Edited December 29, 2022 by audhol

[audhol]

I mean ffs guys it's just a niche mod for a ten year old game who cares if it's not exactly what we want or it's not perfect. Is it really worth being grumpy or uppity with other people we don't even know? 

[naaitsab]

Well in all honesty I guess keeping it to the meshes and textures should probably be better, at least for now. Everyone seems to be keen on their own vision on how it should be done which are very contradictory or are met with unnecessary drama responses. So that's not really a good basis to work off. Perhaps it's just a bad idea to discuss a sex story mod to begin with? Don't know but this is turning into a shitshow for the wrong reasons. I'm always in to pitch an idea or 2 but get fed up very quickly with internet drama.

[Xenoramos]

Ouch, I'm sorry about the drama. And I didn't mean to belittle anyone's opinion or anything like that.

Plus I imagine how difficult is it to make non-linear quest with two completely different paths, so I believe main focus should be following the initial plot idea..

And I really like Miauzi's story concept, and I totally can live even with forced sex acts during the quest (after all, spamming spacebar to skip it, like I often to, would still work).

My thoughts, (as well as I believe NoirXiaoba's as well), were not to belittle Miauzi's idea, but thinking on the THEORETICAL alternative path to it, not to cut anything from it. But yeah, like I said, I think main priority should be around the main path. So it would be possible to at least start making an actual scripting.

[kurotatsu]

11 hours ago, audhol said:

SO THIS IS MY THREAD, 

from now on any post not in English will be ignored, if that sounds harsh then sorry but it is the universal language we can all understand or translate. 

Any comment claiming to have more right to a point of view than someone else will also be ignored or deleted, we are all equal here whether new or old to the thread. 

And I don't know what else honestly everytime I'm happy that people are interested in the things we are doing some shit comes up to spoil it. Like I enjoy talking to you lot and sharing ideas but everytime time just as it starts to get good something comes along to spoil it. Maybe it's me and I bring this on myself but reading all these comments that belittle others opinions are not what I wanted for this thread.

 

I support English-only rule, I admit I'm not even trying to read German or any other language posts...

 

Basically it's your model and your quest, all posts here, including mine are merely suggestions which you are free to use, modify or ignore as you see fit.

Maybe it would be nice for you to create document or opening post with the current script for mod (i.e. what events, general outline of dialogs, etc).

This way suggestions can be more streamlined and better thought out.

[Miauzi]

Vor 48 Minuten sagte Kurotatsu:

 

Ich unterstütze die Regel nur auf Englisch, ich gebe zu, dass ich nicht einmal versuche, deutsche oder andere Sprachbeiträge zu lesen ...

 

Grundsätzlich ist es Ihr Modell und Ihre Suche, alle Beiträge hier, einschließlich meiner, sind lediglich Vorschläge, die Sie nach Belieben verwenden, ändern oder ignorieren können.

Vielleicht wäre es schön für Sie, ein Dokument oder einen Eröffnungspost mit dem aktuellen Skript für Mod zu erstellen (dh welche Ereignisse, allgemeine Übersicht über Dialoge usw.).

Auf diese Weise können Vorschläge gestrafft und besser durchdacht werden.

 

Wrong - I still own the copyright to the texts I have written

and

only I have the right to make a decision about how they are used

the whole thing is now going in one direction - which I like less and less
and
causing me to draw conclusions

[audhol]

1 hour ago, Miauzi said:

Wrong - I still own the copyright to the texts I have written

and

only I have the right to make a decision about how they are used

the whole thing is now going in one direction - which I like less and less
and
causing me to draw conclusions

Just so I understand exactly what your saying, 

Any suggestion or text you've written on this thread is under copyright belonging to you? 

No-one has the right to use any suggestion you have made in a freely distributed mod without your express permission? 

No-one can modify any suggestion you have made to be part of a freely distributed mod without your express permission? 

If any suggestion you have made is used in a freely distributed mod you will exercise your rights to being the holder of the copyright? 

Am I understanding correctly that unless the mod follows the exact guidlines you have set out then you withdraw the "right" to use any suggestion you have made? 

 

[kapibar]

Gentlemen,
 

I have not contributed to this thread for a few days. Imagine my surprise when I refresh the forum and see that the atmosphere has become so toxic that Captain Planet would have died after 30 seconds.

Looking at the situation from the sideline - this is @audhol's thread and if anything develops from it, it is his work and talent that has given us anything to talk about at all. So in my opinion it is strongly uncool that some people are already starting to jerk among themselves and push their ideas as if they know best. That is not the case. Audhol is the captain of this team and this whole situation - at least in my opinion - shows disrespect for his work, commitment and time. I think some people, who I won't point the finger at, should apologise and calm down a bit, because this is going in a really bad direction and if at this point audhol says he doesn't feel like working on this project anymore - I will fully understand and support his decision.

[audhol]

You know what, it's new years and fighting is for dummies, 

@Miauzi you were bang out of order, just because you spent a long time writing stuff it doesn't mean that everything you want will be done, I want this to be a team effort and I've spent far more time building models than you have writing your thoughts. I have listened to ideas from other people and remade stuff that in the end is better than it was originally. Either you stop thinking this is an engineering project that you control or you leave. In the end it makes no difference to me however I would be disappointed that one of the original contributors decided that their pride was more important than having fun working on something with people from around the world.

@kapibarthank you for your kind words but I'd consider myself more chairman than captain in so much as someone who can consolidate ideas. Also I think @NoirXiaobais a lady so we're not all gentlemen!

 

Please guys no more fighting, this should be a hobby to escape the sourness of everyday life filled with hatred. I'll ask once more nicely either be respectful and open or leave. 

[audhol]

You know what, it's new years and fighting is for dummies, 

@Miauzi you were bang out of order, just because you spent a long time writing stuff it doesn't mean that everything you want will be done, I want this to be a team effort and I've spent far more time building models than you have writing your thoughts. I have listened to ideas from other people and remade stuff that in the end is better than it was originally. Either you stop thinking this is an engineering project that you control or you leave. In the end it makes no difference to me however I would be disappointed that one of the original contributors decided that their pride was more important than having fun working on something with people from around the world.

@kapibarthank you for your kind words but I'd consider myself more chairman than captain in so much as someone who can consolidate ideas. Also I think @NoirXiaobais a lady so we're not all gentlemen!

 

Please guys no more fighting, this should be a hobby to escape the sourness of everyday life filled with hatred. I'll ask once more nicely either be respectful and open or leave. 

[audhol]

Oh and happy new year to you all.